Topic: Coronavirus outbreak

@Ryu_Niiyama Not good to hear. Hope he recovers quickly, and that he didn’t impact anyone else.

@ogo79 Where'd you get hand sanitizer!?

@Octane All I read from that quote is some guy's sentence being needlessly postponed, making the torture/agony of having to wait on your own demise even longer. As I said, I'm all for removing certain individuals from society on a permanent basis, depending on the crime(s), but I don't relish the thought of seeing them suffer any longer than necessary. In that respect, no sentence or punishment will ever be good enough anyway, compared to what the family of the victim(s) have to go through for the rest of their lives...

But let's get back on topic.

Fortunately, there's a slow rise in good news in our little country of residence, so that's good. Sadly, though, that news is kind of mitigated by lunatic conspiracy theorists setting fire to 5G masts, because they think they are part of a government plot to disguise their negative effects as the Corona virus.

I hope all of them get caught, drawn and quartered. The world is in dire need of less idiots...

@Ryu_Niiyama Sorry to hear about your uncle. I hope his infection is mild.

A lot of people don't seem to understand that if you keep exposing yourself in any social settings, then you're not really safe. JUST going to church is still a massive risk.

My own 70-year-old mother with heart and lung issues keeps going out to the store when it's not necessary. It's very frustrating.

i have access to things that are needed. i have a whole case of sanitizer as far as that goes.
they were for my grandma and dad. i also have a lot of toilet paper, food, bath soap, laundry soap, cases of beer and ammunition for the lacking would be looters.
_{that doesnt work in texas trust me lol}

@Ryu_Niiyama Man, I hope your uncle will be okay. People in that age group are especially at risk. I ran across an article the other day about how older adults are the new ones needing babysat in a time like this, to the chagrin of their children. It's a reversal of roles in many ways.

Wow, some of the earlier posts in this thread have not aged well. And I guess a few of the more recent ones haven't either surprisingly. I think one things for clear, those with backgrounds in Maths are a tad quicker to respond. When early on I heard there was around 30% growth in cases per day, the majority of cases were asymptomatic and even those who show symptoms are carriers for at least a week before? Oh there are 10 confirmed cases? What you really mean is there are ~100 and in a week there'll be ~600.

Yeah, I started to work from home well before I was forced to.....

This is true... but these are not independent variables. There are about three variables you throw into the equation to get the number of hospital beds you will need. The number people who have it now, the infection growth rate and the number of infected who need a hospital bed. Basically every day this function runs:

Number of beds needed today = Yesterday's infected x Growth Rate x Infected that need beds

You're talking about that third number and how it relates to the number of beds needed today. This number does matter but it fades into almost nothing when compared to the impact of the growth rate. To make a point of this, here's a graph with two variables H and R. H represents the rate of hospitalisation and R represents the rate of infection. Both of these lines start with infected as 1 (Y axis) at day 0 (X axis). The blue line has a very high hospitalisation rate but with an infection rate similar to where a lot of countries are now "flattening the curve". The red line has a relatively low hospitalisation rate with a higher rate of infection at ~1.1 (note that COVID-19 with no social distancing was higher than this)

The R, i.e. the rate of infection, impacts the number in hospital far more than the H, rate of hospitalisation. Going back to COVID-19 I'd argue that, if anything, the low rate of hospitalisation is a large part of the reason why the R is so high. You want an "R" bellow 1. From what I've read it was as high as 1.5 in some areas but most places it was sitting at 1.2, 1.3. Currently it's down to around 0.85 in Australia although in the US it's still at ~1.05 last I read and in places like Brazil it's still over 1.1.

Not to knock religion or anything but when you are so convinced of your own faith that you ignore science and logic all together there's is definitely a problem. It's like those parents you hear about who let their child with cancer die because they think praying overrides any medical treatment or medicine. I heard a pastor somewhere got arrested for trying to hold church services despite the stay at home order. Like simply being at church somehow shields you from any possibility of infection. Come on people!

Let's drop the religious angle please

@ThanosReXXX Did you watch the video? I'd argue that the first and third paragraph of the quote I posted are more important. 1. alcohol makes it easier to insert a needle; 2. it allows the executioners to think of themselves as professionals; and lastly, in case something gets delayed or changed last minute, you don't have to deal with the effects of an unsanitised medical procedure on top of it. That was the take-home message.

So I've spent the last 3 days ignoring the news. Are things getting better yet?

Nope. Restaurants still ain't letting no one in and the stay home order hasn't been lifted. From what i can tell no one seems to care. I saw several people hanging out at a pond fishing like they had no clue about what's going on.
Did you guys hear about the dad arrested for throwing a ball around with his daughter in an empty park? Yeah the cops apparently grabbed the guy and handcuffed him in front of the kid. They mean business!
He was later released though. Probably didn't want false arrest charges. It's nuts!

Not even better in Indonesia. 😱

@Octane "That was the take-home message"
And a very useless one, far as I'm concerned. Executioners are just that: executioners. They have to have the right amount of knowledge to perform their jobs, obviously, but they aren't medical professionals, and they shouldn't be deluding themselves into thinking otherwise. And if they can't handle the job because of it, then they aren't the right person for the job, period.

But as I already suggested earlier, let's get back (and stay back) on topic. I've said all I wanted to say about this anyway, and I don't want to be the guy that keeps this irrelevant part of the discussion going.

@ThanosReXXX You completely missed my point again... But whatever, let's get back on topic.

@Octane If you care to explain it so I can actually get what you're trying to say, then perhaps it's better to continue in the Chit-Chat thread, I just figured that we shouldn't pollute this thread for something so trivial.

Stay-At-Home orders still in effect until April 30th. While I can't say for other States, Governor Lee intends to reopen the economy for the State of Tennessee in May. Stay-At-Home orders are not enforced in my area.

People can still go to certain parks here. There’s plenty of space where I go

You can still go to local parks here to exercise, but all of the equipment is roped off so that parents and/or kids don't get any ideas. They're also strictly enforcing no large groups and social distancing, though to my knowledge they aren't fining anyone in my area. The only exception is someone who knowingly had the virus, was told to self-isolate, and instead of self-isolating went to a store in a different county that didn't have any confirmed cases at the time. That person was slapped with a huge fine and a charge that could add up to some prison time with the right setting.

im not doing no curbside service, fast food drive through, eating, ordering or renting any pizza.
pizza man knocks on yer door comin up in here dressed like a dentist with a mask and gloves would deter me from possessing any kind of appetite to eat that right about now. i dont trust it.
yes i said renting a pizza