@ThanosReXXX I understand the numbers, but my point is, either simply dividing deaths / total infected is an incorrect methodology in part due to some of the factors you mentioned, or it really is going to be 1.2b. It is exceedingly unlikely that 100% of the population does not get it. So if that's the real number, that's the number we're looking at. I don't, however, think that's the correct number and is improper use of that data, given, at minimum, what Ralizah pointed out about the sheer number of asymptomatic cases. "Getting" the disease doesn't necessarily mean showing symptoms for up to half the population that gets it. And the population that will get it is 8 billion. Not all in wave 1, but largely in wave 1.
@Ralizah The more we find out about this thing, the more I start to wonder if it actually is a carefully designed weapon after all.... I seems to be precisely what someone wishing to shape and prune the world would design, in all the right ways.
@HobbitGamer For produce, I find it unlikely running it under water will help much - or rather, help more than baking it at 350 for 20 minutes, nuking it, or boiling it in whatever you're cooking. I've read that freezing is ineffective, it just preserves it. But I've seen no evidence that the same treatment that gets rid of food borne illness doesn't get rid of this.
Still, being in this region, it's a near guarantee stepping into the supermarket someone else in there has it. You're inhaling those droplets. And the hoarders requiring food limits made it that much worse. I would have stocked up on a week and a half of food. But with limits like 2doz eggs etc that means I have to go to 2 or 3 stores or go to the store 2 or 3 times a week to just buy the basics. The prevention guarantees spread.
The population increase estimate on that website gives me anxiety just looking at it.
Quit looking at those numbers, they don't mean anything to you. They are just rough numbers for doctors and government to use, they are useless to the general public other than fear mongering especially for the media. The numbers should not even be public. The fact is, the numbers are outdated, inaccurate and the actual count is probably greater by the time you look at them anyways. Unless you are working in medical or government, don't worry about the numbers. Just take care of yourself and family.
@MortalKombat2007 that's good to hear from someone that sounds like they're in that field?
I do disagree that such things shouldn't be public. The idea that truth and reality should be "managed" for a greater good by people's "betters" like medieval monks withholding literacy is the very thing that leads to distrust, suspicion, and panic. The information should be public. And not withheld for "proper interpreting", which we know leads to terrible deceit. But it should also include information on how to use it.
In this case it didn't make sense to use those numbers as is just given what data did and didn't go into them from what we DO know. Even from the official "managed" information the reality is sufficiently bleak regardless.
Though i think @ralizah was talking about the numbers for total Earth population, not cov2.
It's the site of a company that keeps track of just about anything you can think of, not just the spread of a virus. If you look at their home page, you'll see every kind of topic, service or product imaginable, and the numbers constantly change, so to say that they are outdated, is a bit of an over-exaggeration, to be honest. Of course, they never stand still, so at some moments, they are "out of date", but seeing as they are updated in the blink of an eye, that never lasts long. And it's what they do, so if they did a bad job of it, then they'd probably be out of a job pretty soon...
Of course, they are dependent on their sources, so if these don't give them any up to date or correct numbers, then they obviously can't display them either, but other than that, their numbers are pretty much dead on, including the ones for the Corona virus, contrary to the belief of some pretty stubborn users on here...
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@Ralizah yep. I've said for a long time if humans don't do something about the population in a biiig way, via war or birth rate reduction, nature will guaranteed do it and it will be much worse that way. And here we are. And this still isn't going to meaningfully help with population. That isn't sustainable in any way and simply fuels plagues. I don't know how humans got to this point if overbreeding. It's the source of most problems including this current one. It isn't the West...
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Not sure who decides how much population is “too much”. Every person on the planet could fit inside Jacksonville, Florida standing shoulder to shoulder. I don’t know enough about the subject to make a claim here but, shooting from the hip on the issue, it sure feels like there’s more than enough land for everyone. Now, if the argument is that it’s not so much the population now as it is a concern for a rapidly growing population in the future, that I could probably understand.
That all being said, just from my own perspective, God commanded man to multiply and subdue the earth. So I don’t believe there’s a problem with mankind doing exactly that. I think Christ will return and the millennial reign will happen long before population ever becomes a serious issue (or pollution, for that matter, not that I’m endorsing blatantly littering but I do think it’s going to prove a poor choice in hindsight to spend so much money trying to control carbon emissions).
In any case, I’m really starting to worry about this coronavirus as I see more and more reports of younger people dying. I don’t know what’s going on but something doesn’t seem right, just doesn’t seem to match up with the early reports out of China. @Ralizah can you speak more on this blood type thing? I checked out the links you dropped but I didn’t notice anything about blood type.
I had to do a grocery run yesterday. A few other shoppers were in the store, but pretty much everyone kept their distance. My state has all non-essential businesses and schools closed until at least April 8th, and if possible people are encouraged to work from home. There were definitely less people out and about, but it's obvious that a few aren't taking this seriously. I've seen parents allowing their kids to play on playground equipment for example.
My own behaviors haven't changed very much - I like clean hands and keeping to my own personal space - but even I've been wiping my hands and frequently used items down more than usual. I'm digging my new five second commute, but I've still been sneaking out of my house for some exercise. The weather here has been decent this week, plus walking outdoors is pretty therapeutic for me.
That all being said, just from my own perspective, God commanded man to multiply and subdue the earth. So I don’t believe there’s a problem with mankind doing exactly that...
In any case, I’m really starting to worry about this coronavirus as I see more and more reports of younger people dying. I don’t know what’s going on but something doesn’t seem right, just doesn’t seem to match up with the early reports out of China. Ralizah can you speak more on this blood type thing? I checked out the links you dropped but I didn’t notice anything about blood type.
I agree with you, in belief of Jesus Christ, that population is not the issue, & about the environment. As for the virus infecting young, I think it can be attributed to a variety of factors. Young people like to live hard, & fast. Workaholics, poor dietary intake over prolonged periods. Stuff of that nature. Under normal circumstances, these conditions would be taxing enough on a young body, though not necessarily noticeable (to that person, and/or others). Add in the effects of Covid-19, both documented, as well as undocumented. The young person might diagnose themselves to have something minor, or get a misdiagnoses from someone else, possibly even a top-notch doctor. Mistakes can happen. The infected person then takes a medication, or continues their poor dietary intake that only worsens the problem. So on, & so forth...
@NEStalgia Uh you make some good points, but you need to stop ignoring factual information presented to you in order to repeat exaggerated (if not entirely non-existent) ideas that are often used to justify dead poor people over billionaires who are either responsible for or could fix dramatically various world wide issues but choice not to for fear of merely being millionaires. kthx
@JaxonH My snarky answer to how to decide how many people are too many is to take another look at your graphs. This is the result of crossing that boundary.
My serious, thoughtful answer is that when the population outgrows it's ability to be sustained by the world around it in symbiosis, it is overgrown. We can't actually sustain the numbers without synthetic methods of food production/enhancement, many of which involve giving poisons to all to stretch the food supply to maximum - and even that isn't going to be enough in 35 years when the food shortage is expected due to population. Human population only blew up when these synthetic methods started supporting them. Population is also too large when the competition for resourses and a "place" causes acute conflict of interest. And when artificial density that few would choose is required simply to fit everyone. Recall also that, as with cattle, the space each human needs in raw land is not just a shoebox apartment of 4 walls in a plague ridden high rise. But also the acreage to grow their food. Something we are increasingly removing to build more shoebox high rises to fit everyone. Everyone would fit in Jacksonville? India doesn't even fit in India.
Broadly, population is too large when the population growth degrades the human condition rather than enhances it.
God may have said to multiply, but he never said anything about recklessly consuming all resourses to consume, then moving on for new ones to consume, and multiplying until all is consumed. That's the definition of a virus. And he never said he wouldn't be pruning the overgrowth.
Historically whenever population is overgrown, it is always pruned back via either manmade it natural methods. Population pressure creates war which does it. But weve had peace. When that happens nature always takes over via plague or famine. Always. Part of the natural cycle. The more people, the more effective a disease.
Even without this disease, there were too many people for a functional, stable world. And it soon was going to fall apart, though moreso near the equator anyway. But after this, even if it doesn't prove tremendously deadly in the end, the collapse of a lot of that synthetic support of large numbers through the collapse of industry is going to show us very quickly how artificial our support on the current outsize population actually was. The disease is only the tip of the iceberg of what just happened. The world we knew last month is gone completely, and most of what we knew, with it. Even if it takes a few years to flush the remnants of the illusion of it. 8 billion people and nothing for them to do. Or 6.8 billion.
As for the young, I'd read before it was 40% 20-50 age group, so that's not entirely new, it just defies the media "don't panic" spin. Which is silly because then they want everyone to panic to get them to take it seriously.
@cotillion ouch, Canada sounds even less prepared than the us. That's not good. That's how Italy happened. We at least somewhat (badly) heeded their warnings. If Canada didn't that's bad.
@kkslider5552000 not actually sure what you're talking about, honestly.
The only information that should be public is what are the doctors and government are doing. Health officials are already in the right direction towards a vaccine, which is unfortunately still a ways off. The U.S. Government on the other hand, I am concerned Trump will try to "open America" too soon including easing social distancing and packing churches on Easter Sunday based on Trump's gut feeling and nothing else, that could be a catastrophe but I think Heath officials should make that call. Right now, numbers are not really much concern except to those who have to use them. It is more important to know what your country is doing to prevent Coronavirus from spreading and treating COVID-19.
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