Yeah, I've only heard that sticking a dog's nose in it's business shames it and doesn't help train it (especially if it's not RIGHT after it happened). Yes, you need to provide immediate consequences when you can, and I don't think there's an issue with a small smack (how would momma dog discipline her puppies; she's not going to stick them in time out?). We always sprayed our cats with water bottles, but I don't know if that works for dogs.
Any training works much better if you don't just use negative consequences, but also provide immediate positive consequences for correct behavior (you used the paper, good boy, here's a treat). This works with humans too, in general, people respond much better to rewards than punishments (not that there's no place in punishment when raising a child, it's just much more effective if you also reward good behavior, so they know what they should do, not just what they shouldn't).
We always sprayed our cats with water bottles, but I don't know if that works for dogs.
That works for mini-me's too.
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Any training works much better if you don't just use negative consequences, but also provide immediate positive consequences for correct behavior (you used the paper, good boy, here's a treat). This works with humans too, in general, people respond much better to rewards than punishments (not that there's no place in punishment when raising a child, it's just much more effective if you also reward good behavior, so they know what they should do, not just what they shouldn't).
True Christians spank their kids...someone told me that once. I don't agree with hitting your dog. I use to think it was the way to train but it's not. It encourages aggression. Any physical contact should just be to get their attention not for discipline by pain.
Eating meat is not absolutely necessary. Chimpanzee, which is human's closest relative, eats 99 % vegetables and fruits (and the remaining 1 % is termites which are not necessary). I eat meat, but am planning to stop it someday, cause it just doesn't feel right, and creates all kinds of ethical problems inside my head, WHICH, if left circling inside my skull, will cause medical problems when i'm older.
Animals are made to be eaten. Whether it is you who eats them or not is your problem. Animals aren't humans, and humans aren't animals.
Eating meat is not absolutely necessary. Chimpanzee, which is human's closest relative, eats 99 % vegetables and fruits (and the remaining 1 % is termites which are not necessary). I eat meat, but am planning to stop it someday, cause it just doesn't feel right, and creates all kinds of ethical problems inside my head, WHICH, if left circling inside my skull, will cause medical problems when i'm older.
Animals are made to be eaten. Whether it is you who eats them or not is your problem. Animals aren't humans, and humans aren't animals.
Biologically speaking, humans are animals.
*Hunt the Hare and turn her down the rocky road all the way to Dublin, Whack follol de rah!*
Eating meat is not absolutely necessary. Chimpanzee, which is human's closest relative, eats 99 % vegetables and fruits (and the remaining 1 % is termites which are not necessary). I eat meat, but am planning to stop it someday, cause it just doesn't feel right, and creates all kinds of ethical problems inside my head, WHICH, if left circling inside my skull, will cause medical problems when i'm older.
Animals are made to be eaten. Whether it is you who eats them or not is your problem. Animals aren't humans, and humans aren't animals.
But humans are animals. We are mammals and we belong to the Primate order. We may be at the top of the food chain (which allows us to eat anything we want, animal or not) but that doesn't change the fact that we are also animals in nature.
Smacking a dog is no more abuse than smacking your child's butt when he doesn't listen. My family has owned dogs since I was a little kid, and we've always disciplined dogs, same as you would a naughty kid. You just have to know how to do it, because dogs are pretty stupid. I'm a cat person, so I don't really have that problem now. Cats pretty much do their own thing, regardless. Well, that, and smacking a cat would probably end in the cat being tossed across the room from the force, and/or your hand being scratched to bits
There is much worse animal cruelty out there than spanking or smacking a dog. I love dogs but as long as someone isn't going too far with it and taking out their frustration on the animal then its usually ok. You only need to go far enough that they know what they did is wrong and won't want to do it again. If you train them right they won't do bad things often and you won't have to punish them often so both you and your dog will be happy. Also, if you have a more viscous potentially dangerous dog they definitely need to be hit if they start getting to a point where they are attacking or getting too aggressive with people. Again don't go too far but if you don't punish them then they could attack people leaving someone injured and the dog may have to be put to sleep.
I also agree with the positive reinforcement and giving treats and praise when they do things right.
Oh! Oh! You could put the dog in timeout. Sit him in the corner and explain to him why he has to stay there. That way he can think about what he has done.
Oh I know. A couple times I had to write "I will not whatever bad thing I did" (much like the Simpsons) till my parents thought I got the point. Maybe we could try that? Give ol' Yeller pen and a pad?
Orrrr we could NOT give the dog a treat. Since we can only give him positive reinforcement, he'll obviously know what's up when using the restroom on the rug is the one thing that DOESN'T net him a cookie.
Now I thought a simple smack was the way to go but the possibilities are endless.
What would you consider animal cruelty? I was having a discussion with my cousin this morning. after my puppy used it on the floor he got mad saying this wouldn't happen if he went outside. So he said that you should spank the dog or puts its nose into the feces.
Yeah, nothing tames a dog better than shoving it's face into it's own sh*t...
Why don't you try scolding it or hitting it over the head with a newspaper? Y'know, like everyone else?
Just yell at it or spray it with water. That works for both my cats and all three of my dogs. Just bringing out the water bottle is enough to scare my dogs away now.
@Token Girl What you call wrong, is what others call discipline.
Growing up with Big Dogs, you have to learn to be Strong, and show them who is there Master. But your taining works with small pets, if there not Spoiled, and I hate Spoiled pets.
Well now I have a Small Dog,its a Shih tzu mix Pekingese, my Sister name it Pikachu. She mix the Dog Breed names and came up with pikachu (Pek) ingese, Shih (tzu) (Pek-tzu)=pikachu. I train him well and I run him every day., I wish I had a pic here, so I can show you what he looks like.
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Oh! Oh! You could put the dog in timeout. Sit him in the corner and explain to him why he has to stay there. That way he can think about what he has done.
Oh I know. A couple times I had to write "I will not whatever bad thing I did" (much like the Simpsons) till my parents thought I got the point. Maybe we could try that? Give ol' Yeller pen and a pad?
Orrrr we could NOT give the dog a treat. Since we can only give him positive reinforcement, he'll obviously know what's up when using the restroom on the rug is the one thing that DOESN'T net him a cookie.
Now I thought a simple smack was the way to go but the possibilities are endless.
Growing up with Big Dogs, you have to learn to be Strong, and show them who is there Master.
Buy I want a sausage dog which I will call Cookie Dough.
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