Topic: All-Encompassing E3 2018 Thread

@FragRed
A lot of people buy presents in December but unless they market smash heavily before release you're right that it might not sell as much as it would've if released earlier.

@Dezzy
While Smash on its own might not be a huge system seller, I know a lot of people who love Smash from the Wii era. If these people see both Pokemon and Smash releasing close to each other on a console with an interesting concept they will be pushed to buying it. It's not really that one game will sell the Switch but the combined appeal of both games to casuals will.

I was really glad that Hollow Knight came out yesterday. I’ve been waiting for that on the Switch for a while!

But I can’t think of a Game of Show. Some of Bethesda, Microsoft, and Sony’s games looked great, but I don’t own an Xbox or PlayStation so it’s hard to get too excited for them. And I’ve already expressed how I was underwhelmed by Smash.

i think that smash was for fans of mallee and brawl it had some charcters that could been replaced with new ones i am not going into to that like pokemon trainer using the starters from sun and moon instead of gen 1 or descedeye as a main charcter and no alm and clicila in the game due to they come from the nes also chrom was said to be a main in the next but look what happen unless this is a port and why could we not get shadow and we now have pikcu and pikachu they are in the same evo line and one hurts itself on its moves bayo still not fixed

http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2018/06/e3_2018_official_cyber...

From the Cyberpunk 2077 press release:

"Night City is fully connected and offers countless cyberspace access terminals. As you explore the Net, you’ll discover layers of hidden systems, firewalls, and security programs deployed to fry your brain. During missions, you’ll clash with hostile netrunners defending corporate megabuildings—both in cyberspace and in the real world."

Very interesting.

The demo previews are filling me with hype. It sounds like a real FPS RPG, which is something I think I'd be absolutely in love with

I'm usually not a big fan of first person, so I would like to see the game in action first. Running on walls etc. all sound really neat, but I hope it doesn't look like a camera flying along a wall.

I like first person RPGs quite a bit. Games like Skyrim and Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines are a lot more immersive because they have a first person option IMO.

I have to say the Direct wasn't as horrible the second time through. It was still bad, but the first half seemed better, once I knew the pace was a broken mess. Lots of the games I said they didn't show they did show......for under 4 seconds. And not all of them. Heck even Aces their big title next WEEK was an also-ran with a cameo as long as Sushi Striker. That was just plain disaster in motion. The opening was very strong with DxM.....the Xeno DLC for the second act was a poor choice. Looks good, but it's DLC getting top billing, poorly placed. The FE reveal was great....looks good. I will forever suck at FE but I love it all the same. Even if I only see the first 10 levels.

Pokemon got a solid mention but it was during Reggies drone fest that makes Andrew Wilson look likable. Put Trinnen on there for crying out loud, he makes things interesting. Put Koizumi on there, even with translation he makes everything exciting. Put Kimishima in there, we know he speaks English and he can't be as bad a presenter as Reggie. He managed to make Pokemon as exciting as introducing a new breadsticks bundle in his Pizza Hut days. He seemed human at Treehouse last year. Apparently that was one night only.

Then they spent 5x the amount of time on indie Overcooked 2 than a ton of headliners. Anti-Matter must be thrilled, but c'mon Ys, Shining, Aces, Octopath (got a little more focus than the others), Fighter Z, Fortnite, and Paladins got an under 4 second flyby in a montage as a REVEAL. You blink, you miss it.

The Smash segment on its own was bland but not as grating to watch knowing what I was in for.

Treehouse was 100x better than the actual presentation. Even Sakurai seemed alive and excited on the stage, unlike in the video (maybe because he was pwning n00bs in Smash ). In the video he was very subdued and droning....in person he was enthusiastic. And Trinnen anchoring both languages at once was brilliant, much smoother than handing everything through series of translators. They should have done that years ago! I'm convinced the content of the smash direct was all on Sakurai though. He was excited to show how the amiibo ink level indicator is in a slightly different position to indicate ink usage of a special versus a Splatoon splat bomb. The details are the exciting thing to him, but it doesn't work in a video. But he made it interesting in person. Not so much in the video.

Whoever directed the video either didn't know what they were doing or had no interest/passion for what they were doing. The ND was a disaster on infinite levels. Treehouse is excellent. I miss the Digital Event. Smash 4 got Iwata v Reggie. Smash 5 got endless droning on the changelog.

Treehouse also finally showed us LGPicachu....and it looks....Pokemon. It looks great! I can't wait for it now. It's a Yellow remake with the different wild catch mechanic...the rest of Pokemon seems to still be Pokemon. And the PokeBall Plus is pretty cool too. I went from uncertain to excited. Because of the E3 main event? No. Because of Masuda and Trinnen finally telling us what the darned game is!

I think my biggest problem with the Direct was... well obviously pacing. But to be more specific, Dragon Ball FighterZ and Paladin should have grabbed at least 30 second slots each. Grim Fandango, Broken Age, Labyrinth of Refrain, Hyper Sports, Crazy Justice, Mutant Football League, My Hero One's Justice, Okami HD, Lego Incredibles and/or DC Supervillains, the new Atlier title and Elder Scolls Legends should have made it into the quickies section. If Doom Eternal or Wolfenstein Youngblood or Elder Scolls Blades really are coming, we should have heard confirmation during this. Sure this year's lineup isn't as good as it should be (especially if Yoshi really doesn't make it out til next year) but the Direct did no favors in selling it. If they'd doubled up all that, and cut some of the finer Smash details to reveal during treehouse and/or the tournament (I really didn't need to know about ROB's gauge yet for example) then it could have been a fine, if slightly underwhelming direct.

@NEStalgia Agreed on the Direct, now that the dust had settled down. The intro was great, but after that, they certainly did rush through a whole lot of great games, and all to give more than 75% of their time to all the minute changes in Smash Bros, which is a damn shame. The sizzle reel was really good, lots of great stuff coming, but it was rushed through, and ultimately all but completely drowned out by the Smash changelog. Brilliant labeling, by the way...

Ideally, they should have given a bit more time to those other games, and could have gone into all the minute details of Smash Bros in the subsequent Treehouse broadcast, but this is what they chose instead. Oh, well...

Guess the shareholders have already voted on it, so let's see how the next couple of months will go, to see if Nintendo will once again rise above all the criticism. I know they have a knack for it, so even though I'm still left a bit baffled by it all, I'll remain cautiously optimistic.

But Wilson being better than Reggie, though? No way, man. Andrew Wilson only needs to show his always chagrined looking face, and that's already more than enough for me to want to paint a target on his forehead. No need for him to utter any words...

And the difference in Reggie's presentations might be the Regginator conspiracy: so the real one is now either dead or missing, and the robot has taken over, except his programming wasn't updated, so he wasn't taking names like he was back when he was first introduced...

As for Bill Trinen's (one N in the middle... ) translation skills: haven't you seen last year's Treehouse sessions? He did the same back then already. And there are one or two other pretty decent translators who frequent the Treehouse sessions as well, so you should see them pop up, or perhaps Bill again, today and tomorrow, in the two remaining Treehouse events.

@ThanosReXXX And the real sad part about it is: It was a digital direct. If they had 2.5 hours of content to give each game proper time they could have. They didn't have stage fees and scheduling time at the show to worry about, Treehouse is the part that has to deal with all that. I don't know why they obsessed with cramming it into a 50 minute direct when they could have done a 2 hour presentation.....like MS did.....with plenty of content for it. Ok, Ys is already out on other consoles so maybe it doesn't need highlighting, but Mario Tennis is all new to anyone that didn't play the free weekend let alone the third party list. I do also wonder where Yoshi is. Will they send poor Yoshi out to die next year with Pokemon Gen 8?

The up/down side is that it's not like WiiU where Nintendo was actually failing to provide a healthy platform ecosystem. The Switch has the ecosystem....Nintendo just didn't see fit to mention it at E3. It's the classic Nintendo messaging fail.

How much do you want a target painted on Wilson's head? Enough for a 4% chance in every lootbox purchase to add it in DLC to BATTLEFIELD V? They will make that dream come true if so

Reggie reads copy like he's terrified of the Nintendo Ninjas behind the camera if he misspeaks

Oh, sure I knew Tri*n*en is a fantastic translator, we've seen that for many years, but they've never had him simultaneously anchor both languages before as one presentation. They had him either doing translation duty, or doing all English as a presenter. It was really fluid just having him MC in both languages at once....much more natural in pacing that way and it's much more fun for BOTH English and Japanese speakers to have the host talking to them rather than passing the baton through a designated translator. If he did that last year I must have missed it (which is doubtful ) It's a really good decision in terms of stage direction.

@NEStalgia How much? Oh man, you have NO idea, but my shrink says I need to let go of my anger and think only happy thoughts...

As for Bill Trinen: I honestly don't see the difference between what he did in the Treehouse yesterday and what he did last year. Perhaps he now added being the main presenter, but other than that, I really do believe he already did the back and forth in two languages last time around, hence me not being surprised at that at all. And yes, he is good. I would LOVE to be able to understand and speak the language like that.

Would save me from having to depend on a whole heck of a lot of these so-called fan-subs for watching anime. If you don't really know what they're ACTUALLY saying, you also can't judge if the translation is good enough to do the original material justice, or not...

@ThanosReXXX The main presenter thing makes all the difference. As designated translator for someone the back and forth is merely translating the question into JP and then relaying the translated response back in EN....it's kind of disjointed. Yesterday, as the main presenter meant the show itself was being HOSTED in both languages by one host. A bilingual presentation rather than a translator back and forth (it still had translators for the interviewees, but felt so much more cohesive.)

Shaun Layden the Sony Studios president that does the E3 shows is another one as good as if not better than Bill.

Anime is just a horrible representation of the actual spoken language.....E3 is my annual crash course courtesy of Bill and guests.... It's always a bit of a metagame for me to see how much more I understand.....and it's also eye opening just how much interpretation of concept is going on in the translation. It's anything but a 1:1 translation....and they come up with it REALLY fast.

Seeing videos of My Hero One's Justice for the first time got me hyped for it. A lot of good fighting games are coming to the Switch.

...And yet apparently the only one that matters is Smash Bros....sigh

Anyways, I will say this: The Switch got a lot of free games from a variety of genres this week. Seems like a great opportunity if you're itching to try something different.

@NEStalgia Well, to be fair to the live translators: they at least get the context of what was said, while after-the-fact translating of a TV show is more of an up to the translator's interpretation kind of thing, which may not always be what the original dialog writer intended. By interactively communicating, you can find out much sooner if you had the context and intent right or not.

And I know a bit about how translating in front of a live audience works, in various languages, because my cousin is an official interpreter, working for the UN international court in The Hague.

I feel E3 in 2018 is a stinker, especially from Nintendo.

Yes, it did have games that interest me a whole lot, like Kingdom Hearts 3 and Spider Man, and some surprises, like Battletoads and Resident Evil 2 and Devil May Cry 5, but there wasn't too many hype surprises. It wasn't awful but I think I expected so much. I feel Nintendo should've done more instead of focusing their E3 on Smash, like show us Animal Crossing or P I K M I N 4 or even show off a bit of progress in Metroid Prime 4. I'm bummed but at least the time passed I suppose, and my favorite characters are back in Smash, but that also leads to the problem that there would sadly be less newcomers than previous Smash games.

So who's gonna be the first to ask Miyamoto for the 3rd or 4th year in a row, I wonder. I'm sure he's anticipating it

@MisterPi The fourth year.

.....We're not getting any surprise announcements anymore are we?
sighs

@Joeynator3000 Pikmin 4!!!