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iKhan

Zombie_Barioth wrote:

iKhan wrote:

mamp wrote:

Unca_Lz wrote:

unrandomsam wrote:

The 3DS doesn't have an amazing library it has loads of the boring new type of JRPG and medicore platformers based on Wii Tech and a few games done properly.

I politely disagree with everything here

This was the reason I could not get into Tales of the Abyss, it's still sitting there in my closet waiting to be finished, maybe I will someday :/

Don't get me started on TotA. MAJOR disappointment after starting the series with ToS. Bad unlikable characters, simple story unnecessarily stretched over 50 hours, massive frontload of technobabble, and completely linear. Still fun though.

The story wasn't any simpler that TOS's nor was it much more linear. How exactly was the cast "bad" or "unlikable"? Luke was during the beginning but he was supposed to. As for the techno-babble I like it since it helped flesh out the game's world a bit more, they literally dealt with the fundamentals of their world.

Yes it was more simple. You were fighting the same villain with the same motives with the same stakes for most of the game. The entire part of the game after the first Van fight is essentially backtracking the story to before Auldrant was lowered.

And yes it was much more linear. There are a ton of opportunities in ToS where you can either sequence break or you are given an explicit choice of where you can go. Quests like the Linkite Nut could be done at several points in the story, so it wasn't really scripted. TotA has you going straight from plot point to plot point, the only non-linear aspect is the sidequests in cities.

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RobbEJay

iKhan wrote:

Zombie_Barioth wrote:

iKhan wrote:

mamp wrote:

Unca_Lz wrote:

unrandomsam wrote:

The 3DS doesn't have an amazing library it has loads of the boring new type of JRPG and medicore platformers based on Wii Tech and a few games done properly.

I politely disagree with everything here

This was the reason I could not get into Tales of the Abyss, it's still sitting there in my closet waiting to be finished, maybe I will someday :/

Don't get me started on TotA. MAJOR disappointment after starting the series with ToS. Bad unlikable characters, simple story unnecessarily stretched over 50 hours, massive frontload of technobabble, and completely linear. Still fun though.

The story wasn't any simpler that TOS's nor was it much more linear. How exactly was the cast "bad" or "unlikable"? Luke was during the beginning but he was supposed to. As for the techno-babble I like it since it helped flesh out the game's world a bit more, they literally dealt with the fundamentals of their world.

Yes it was more simple. You were fighting the same villain with the same motives with the same stakes for most of the game. The entire part of the game after the first Van fight is essentially backtracking the story to before Auldrant was lowered.

And yes it was much more linear. There are a ton of opportunities in ToS where you can either sequence break or you are given an explicit choice of where you can go. Quests like the Linkite Nut could be done at several points in the story, so it wasn't really scripted. TotA has you going straight from plot point to plot point, the only non-linear aspect is the sidequests in cities.

Yet there were still plenty of plot twists. Symphonia started with following Collette on her journey and was about that for half the game, then switched to uniting the two worlds, while protecting Collette was always the main focus. "Stopping Van" was as clear as the story was until things slowly unfolded. The two were actually pretty similar plot-wise, but one was more about the journey while the other had a more serious focus on the events taking place. Heck, as long as Collette was safe they could take their time. Van and the god generals could complete their goal with or without the main cast.

You have a point about being more linear, but it wasn't a very drastic change. Most of the choices were path a or b first, or which party members are grouped together. I don't think it was a bad thing though due to the seriousness of Abyss's plot.

@Unrandomsam
So mostly old-school style JRPGs then? None of the things you listed make a game "boring" though, except maybe grinding, which games like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest have plenty of too. Most of the games you listed are very much anime, especially the Dragon Quest remakes. The others are definitely anime inspired despite the sprite artwork, but lean towards the 90s anime style.

Not to say theres anything wrong with it but you might have to broaden your scope a bit to find something you'll like, most JRPGs check at least of of those boxes of yours.

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Aluwolf

WiiULoveGBA wrote:

All day long the answer is mobile platforms. If 25 or 50 million people had bought the 3DS within the launch timeframe it might have caught more western attention there. It's a numbers game and in the portable game development arena the biggest mobile games outsell the biggest 3DS games and you always chase the leader

Yeah but sales show mobile users don't pay for games up front, you'd have to change your games to support microtransactions.

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psxsage

I think Western companies (as mentioned by others) are ignoring handhelds period,with the App craze for mobile both the 3DS and the Vita have been very ignored this generation compared to the past. Which honestly is sad because even with a Galaxy Note 3 not counting Emulation there are only a handful of games i find entertaining such as Modern Combat 4 or Puzzles and Dragons.

Still given the very large 3DS Install base you would think more companies would step forward,The Vita i understand is far more of a risk given it's low install base but the 3DS has a fairly large base for making profit.

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I don't understand it myself, I think it is just bad business decisions.

There are 3DS's everywhere you look, on subways and such. Just like people jumped on Bravely Default, they could jump on a great western party game, that wouldn't cost much and be very popular.

Companies make bad decisions all the time and nobody is stepping forward to do something differently, which in this case will mean develop for 3DS. If they did, they'd make more money.

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kkslider5552000

Honestly many of these companies are already making mobile titles, some of which are actually good (maybe). They could port those for a start.

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El_Scorpio

@unrandomsam do you have PES 2013 on 3DS?

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CaviarMeths

Because most western developers care about flexing their big muscles on a console and releasing yearly glorified tech demos with online multiplayer.

But seriously, western gamers are more about consoles and mobile. They either want to play a big expensive game on their TV at home or a free mobile game on the bus. GTAV sold so well because it combined both. It was a huge expensive game with pretty graphics and filled with a ton of pointless minigames. Also, gun violence. Can't have a western blockbuster without loads of gun violence.

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unrandomsam

El_Scorpio wrote:

@unrandomsam do you have PES 2013 on 3DS?

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

Honestly many of these companies are already making mobile titles, some of which are actually good (maybe). They could port those for a start.

@KnightRider666 3DS is a WEAKSAUCE! That thing can't even power Minecraft, let alone some western game...

Child of Light is coming to Vita but not 3DS!

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KnightRider666

@memoryman3: Screw Vita! That's why the so called "weaker" 3DS is dominating the handheld market?

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memoryman3 wrote:

@KnightRider666 3DS is a WEAKSAUCE! That thing can't even power Minecraft, let alone some western game...

Minecraft is deceptively resource intensive. So that's hardly surprising.

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kkslider5552000

memoryman3 wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

Honestly many of these companies are already making mobile titles, some of which are actually good (maybe). They could port those for a start.

@KnightRider666 3DS is a WEAKSAUCE! That thing can't even power Minecraft, let alone some western game...

Child of Light is coming to Vita but not 3DS!

I'd like to assume your ADD immediately distracted you from what you actually quoted.

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iKhan

Seriously why the hell is Child of Light coming to Vita but not 3DS? Last time I checked the Vita is selling worse than the Wii U.

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kkslider5552000

iKhan wrote:

Seriously why the hell is Child of Light coming to Vita but not 3DS? Last time I checked the Vita is selling worse than the Wii U.

it would probably mean a downgrade that they don't consider worthwhile.

Maybe they're terrified it will blow up in their faces or that version on Metacritic will ruin everything, I dunno. I'm just thankful it's on Wii U. I mean, is there anyone saying "oh I wish 3DS had more games on it"? No, not really. It, for the most part anyway, has the games it needs and then some.

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iKhan

kkslider5552000 wrote:

iKhan wrote:

Seriously why the hell is Child of Light coming to Vita but not 3DS? Last time I checked the Vita is selling worse than the Wii U.

it would probably mean a downgrade that they don't consider worthwhile.

Maybe they're terrified it will blow up in their faces or that version on Metacritic will ruin everything, I dunno. I'm just thankful it's on Wii U. I mean, is there anyone saying "oh I wish 3DS had more games on it"? No, not really. It, for the most part anyway, has the games it needs and then some.

But the Vita isn't?
Considering I don't have a Wii U, I certainly wish the 3DS had more games on it. Sure it has lots of games, but that doesn't mean it couldn't use more

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RobbEJay

iKhan wrote:

Seriously why the hell is Child of Light coming to Vita but not 3DS? Last time I checked the Vita is selling worse than the Wii U.

Maybe they just don't think theres a big enough market for their games on Nintendo's handhelds for the port to be worth it? While the Vita isn't doing stellar apparently Vita owners buy a lot of games, I think about 10 on average. Its shaping up to be a great niche/indie platform so they probably think the game will fare better without competition from more well known series, its a new IP that'd have to compete with Pokemon, Fire Emblem, and other similar games after all.

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OptometristLime

iKhan wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

iKhan wrote:

Seriously why the hell is Child of Light coming to Vita but not 3DS? Last time I checked the Vita is selling worse than the Wii U.

it would probably mean a downgrade that they don't consider worthwhile.

Maybe they're terrified it will blow up in their faces or that version on Metacritic will ruin everything, I dunno. I'm just thankful it's on Wii U. I mean, is there anyone saying "oh I wish 3DS had more games on it"? No, not really. It, for the most part anyway, has the games it needs and then some.

But the Vita isn't?
Considering I don't have a Wii U, I certainly wish the 3DS had more games on it. Sure it has lots of games, but that doesn't mean it couldn't use more

While I sympathize with your position, there was simply never a plan to port the game to 3DS.
Sour grapes for some interested parties but I'm sure bringing the game to Vita was a simple cost to benefit decision. I could speculate but I tend to agree with @kkslider5552000 that a port to Vita would be more straightforward; sadly the glorious 3D effect isn't a guaranteed selling point.

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kkslider5552000

Complaining about a game not being ported to 3DS is about as silly as complaining that your favorite SNES and Sega Genesis games aren't on Gameboy tbh. Especially Child of Light...you know handhelds aren't the place that needs more JRPGs nowadays.

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Jim_Purcell wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

@KnightRider666 3DS is a WEAKSAUCE! That thing can't even power Minecraft, let alone some western game...

Minecraft is deceptively resource intensive. So that's hardly surprising.

It's not even that deceptive! It's got to display hundreds of thousands of polys at any 1 time, all of which can be manipulated.
It could definitely work on the 3DS, but they'd probably have to scale the draw distance down quite dramatically. And given that the smart phone version got such bad reviews, they're probably determined to avoid it happening again.

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