Topic: Metroid: Samus Returns

@Tsurii I really do believe that the game will sell pretty well. Not amazingly well, just pretty well. Hopefully over a million, and closer to two. Metroid Fusion, for example, only sold 1,500,000-ish worldwide. Just remember that those who find out about all this amiibo palaver are mostly folks like ourselves who pop onto a video game message board(s) from time to time.

@Octane Yep. That’s why this amiibo bobbins is a terrible way to ‘offer’ a hard mode.

And speaking of adding a whole new difficulty level and adjusting the gameplay to reflect upon these tougher changes, Horizon Zero Dawn received a completely free update to allow everybody to play the game on two new separate hard modes; one is survival based, whereas the other is a case of the robosaurs being a lot more aggressive.

@Tsurii The idea of boycotting the game is frankly dumb.

Allow me to explain.

If you buy the game and amiibo you say both are ok.

If you buy the game but not the amiibo, it means you want the game but dont want content cut out.

You dont need to boycott the GAME, as that would be counter productive. Boycott the amiibo.

Amiibos are such a pain. It would be much better if they would just help unlock stuff for you earlier/quicker instead of actually having entire things locked behind them. At the very least, they could offer the content separately as downloadable DLC.

@Tsurii I've got plenty of games to play, so I don't mind skipping out on something here and there if I don't like certain things. Always online DRM in For Honour? Sorry Ubisoft, but I won't be playing it then. I guess it's a little harder if you're a fan of the franchise. I haven't bought the Zelda DLC so far, and I'm not planning on doing so either. I just hope the won't screw up Mario Odyssey with their amiibo locked micro-transactions.

@Peek-a-boo Yup, and you can change the difficulty level at any time, no need to start a new game either!

How do we know fusion mode is actually the game's (only) "hard mode" anyway? From what I read it just seems like a cosmetic change.

In any case, being metroid, you can make the game harder or easier yourself by (not) collecting energy tank and missile upgrades.

@DarthNocturnal Skull & Bones follows suit as well. There's is a single player mode in the game, so I don't understand why they require the always online DRM. I don't own a PC that's able to run the game, and I don't want to pay Sony just to access a few Ubisoft games online. Ubisoft game reveals always manage to get me very excited and extremely disappointed within a minute or two.

It's reminds me of the Juicero, the juicer that required to be connected to the internet in order to function. All it did was squeeze bags of juice...

On the topic of the Zelda DLC, it may very well be true that the second pack is worth the price, but I still feel the first one should've been part of the game or be a free patch. Most of the stuff was already on the disc/card to begin with. Just like the hard mode in Metroid, it's on the card, you only need an amiibo to unlock it... Anyway, it's €20, and if the second pack isn't anything substantial I can live without it. I very much dislike the way the handled all of it. Announcing it days before release, knowing very well that people would buy the DLC without even knowing the contents. I'm not a fan of that idea, you're basically giving the company money and they can adjust the scope of the DLC depending on the amount of people that bought the season pass (and Nintendo isn't the only company that's doing this by the way).

The story about the amiibos has really started to travel across sites. Whether this will have any impact though is another story. I like to believe that either:

a) Like Star Fox Zero, Nintendo is keeping quiet on ways to unlock the stuff without amiibo in order to get people to buy the amiibo (even though they were likely to sell out anyways).

b) They'll realise the backlash and either reveal alternative unlock methods or implement them.

This all only continues my belief that Nintendo have to start offering alternative ways of unlocking the content like cheaper amiibo cards or offer them as reduced price DLC.

There will of course be people who want the unlockables but don't want the figure. I want all the raciong suits in Mario Kart 8 but don't want to buy all those amiibos. Yet if Nintendo offered all of them for a price (lets say £4.99) I'd buy it. Its a heck of a lot cheaper than £100+ worth of amiibos. I'd still buy the figures I want. I intended to buy these 2 Metroid amiibos since the start regardless of their unlock features. TBH, I now feel dirty using them to unlock the features.

Last I checked the Wolf Link Amiibo was suppose to be the only way to get him in BotW and only after you beat that special dungeon. Guess what, I never set foot in the dungeon and was able to use him. Not only that but it had tons of health as well. I believe this when I see it. Maybe it's true but with backlash they will change it or lock it behind beating the main game on normal first.

No, as far as I know that dungeon only allowed you to "customize" the wolf link.

I can just picture a Jim Sterling video response to this news if he hears about it. One almighty expletive riddled rant. I haven't watched any of his videos in quite a while but he's usually on the money. Though his BOTW review was abysmal.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Abysmal? Right, I forgot a 7 = awful these days... My bad.

@Tsurii I thought it was a reasonable review. His style of writing and the review itself are two separate things. You know he's going to mention every downside, every negative and every nitpick of a game in his review. Sure, he focuses too much on some aspects in my opinion, while he gloats over things like the lack of enemy variety and the disappointing nature of the shrines, but at least it wasn't another mindless ''10/10''.

@Tsurii yeah and that's what I meant by "customizing"

@MegaTen I agree with him heavily, save for two points. Day 1/Preorder dlc isn't always cancerous. Sometimes a game has already come out in Japan and by the time it gets here it has dlc. Boom, get said dlc free when you preorder.

Also, Splatoon 2's amiibo content isn't really revolutionary. It doesn't take very long to just go switch your loadout yourself; we did it in Splatoon 1. And the costume pieces they offer are nice, but don't really offer anything too awe inspiring. One can easily ignore them. Plus, the rest of Splatoon 2's dlc is free so I think it's fine.

But Metroid? This is nuts and I fully replicate his frustration. It was nonsense like this, albeit a bit different, that made me not but FE Echoes.

Anyway, as someone else said, boycott the amiibo, not the game... We don't want to give nintendo the idea that metroid just doesn't sell. Again.

This. I was thinking of picking up the Samus Amiibo, but I think I'll just skip them all at this point.

I wouldn't dream of skipping the game, and I'd be willing to bet a few Rupees that many of those saying they'll boycott the actual game will end up buying it anyway.

So I actually saw a YouTube comment that I found an interesting counter point to this argument to those just wanting this as regular DLC.

"amiibo are life long season passes"

What does that mean? You paid that £10.99 for the Samus amiibo back in 2014? That £10.99 got you Smash, Woolly World, Mario Maker, Hyrule Warriors, Metroid Samus Returns functionality. DLC is one game and one game only.

Do you buy the Metroid amiibo? Bet you it'll be used in Prime 4 for something too.

Its an interesting point in that not only do you get the figure, which admittedly no one cares about, but you also get any content in the future even 3 years down the line, for that one purchase you made.

Not saying I agree. Its just an interesting point.

And yes as I said early in the thread and noted by many others, dont boycott the actual game if this offends you. Boycott the amiibo

@BLP_Software That's only true if you bought a popular character. What about Pit, Jigglypuff, ROB, Ness, or Sonic? Most amiibo are only compatible with one or two games. Some characters have multiple amiibo that all have different functionalities, and who knows how long Nintendo is going to support amiibo, since the entire toys to life branch is in decline.

Not saying he's wrong, but saying all amiibo are life long season passes isn't necessarily true.

I also don't think anyone has a problem with amiibo themselves. It becomes an issue when they start locking standard features behind a paywall.

Anyhow back on topic, Im glad they are using the Melee counter again and its something Id love to see in future games (Except maybe Prime as thatd be a bit awkward in first person).

@BLP_Software It could also work on Prime games easily, just as with many shooters in which hits are used for a bit damage, taking distance from an enemy or stunning. I wouldn't find it awkward and it could be very practic done right, but it's not a priority to have for me.