Topic: Metroid Prime Federation Force (and Blast Ball)

@arronishere: I'm willing to bet that the single player will be better then Tri-Force hero's. Maybe sort of like a Monster Hunter.

The thing about metroid is it has so many split communities...

I know tons of people that hate the prime games, but absolutely love the 2D games and want more 2D games. Then there's the opposite, and those they enjoy both.

I feel like right now what we really need is a 2D metroid game, since other m failed to deliver that (it's plot was in the 2D perspective, but the gameplay just wasn't suited for a "casual" metroid title.. nor a prime.. infact if somebody called this a spinoff I wouldn't have a comment). FF just doesn't appeal to casual 2d metroid fans period, if they didn't like prime this wouldn't be the game to get them into it.. then there is the prime fanbase that judge the quality and don't like it over their favorites.

I'll be honest, if they made FF a 2D game it might have went a lot better... considering maps wouldn't be as simple and gameplay couldn't really be too different. 3D just has way too many variables.

What Metroid really needs is a spiritual sucessor to Super Metroid that reboots the 2D gameplay in the same way that past games like NSMB, DKCR, ALBW, etc. have done for their respective franchises. Go back to the original formula and then figure out a way to add a multiplayer component to it.

The Prime games could also work with Prime 2's multiplayer as well.

@Kinan, I think the argument isn't necessarily that the idea of the game is bad, it's just that they shouldn't be doing spin offs at a time when there hasn't been a main series entry in a long time.

The people against it generally say it would have been fine if a main entry had just been released (or would be released shortly after the spin off), but when the last main entry is 6 years old & divisive, they need to be working on a main entry before any spin offs come into the picture.

Despite all the spinoffs Mario, Pokémon, Zelda, & Kirby have, they have a steady stream of main entries as well.

NOTE: these aren't necessarily my views, just what the general attitude seems to be from people against it (from what I've noticed).

This. FF would be fine as a supplement to traditional Metroid gameplay, but we haven't had a good old fashioned, exploration focused Metroid starring Samus in years, and the fanbase wants to see that first before they open up to the possibility of a spinoff in an expanded universe. I would personally be more receptive if FF's gameplay resembled traditional Metroid gameplay a little more with levels that were actually explorable, but either way, the gameplay that Metroid is known for is not here, and that's what the fanbase is upset about.

And the situation with Prime 4 is just rubbing salt in the wound too, because it gives off an impression that Nintendo doesn't even want to bother with traditional Metroid gameplay and that FF is the series' future.

I don't think that FF gameplay is going to be the future of all Metroid games. FF is just a fun looking spin-off and people saying they will never get a "real" Metroid game are over dramatic. Wait until a second FF is announced while still no "real" Metroid is announced before freaking out that the series is going to change and never return to its roots. Zelda continues to get multiplayer spin-offs and doesn't lose it standard gameplay in the main series. _{I understand the Zelda series gets more releases, that wasn't the point. The point was about how no matter the spin-off more traditional gameplay games in a series are still released. Metroid just doesn't get as many releases as Zelda.}

This is not what the mass majority of Metroid fans wanted to see. @RR592 said it best, we all were expecting something big revealed and not this. By the time the next main entry hits it will be more then 8 years since the last and a lot of Metroid fans aren't even counting Other M either so you can throw a few more years on to that.

You just don't do a spin off of a series that's been dormant that long. I do want this but I have a bad feeling this will not sell well at all. I just don't see it even coming close to 500k lifetime sales.

I think Nintendo needs to put a warning that its a spin off title and that its not part of the main series.

The fact that many of us are hating it because of it being a spin off rather than accepting it as its own experiment is just plain BS to me.

Tell me one Metroid game where you got a chance to play someone else rather than just Samus? Characters exist for various reasons and one of those reasons is what players do with them?

In all of the Metroid games that have been played, What has Samus done besides doing the obvious missles, Morph ball, running and the not really flying? Do you honestly think that those abilities are what makes Metroid special? No. Because its the world that you are in and what you interact with that world with the character that you're stuck with.

Federation Force looks like you are playing Metroid in the form of the Galactic Federation. Yeah, they lack the abilities that Samus has but you are still interacting the world of Metroid only with just playing as the Galactic Federation.

I mean, look at Mario. There's not that many main games out there and yet somehow, people are fine with it.

@Socar: I was with you till that last part. There's like 15 or more main line Mario games and people (like me) have been asking for a proper 3d version for years now. It's like Nintendo got lazy with the HD and only wanted to do easy 2d games. We need a proper 3d Mario with the launch of the NX along with a proper Metroid.

That's pretty much it, they said it'll be too much effort to make it for the Wii U so made it for the 3ds instead.

Regardless of if the game is good or not I think the game has already sunk, on-line focussed means unless it's popular it's useless and with the backlash and Tri Forces only being a so-so success despite being better received on announcement and from a bigger franchise I don't think they'll have enough players.

Plus, Federation Force seems more mission based. Which it probably is to fit in with the whole online aspect. It's most likely going to be a game made up of missions, which you can play with or without others. It won't be a big, interconnected world as is the norm with Metroid games. As such, the storytelling will probably have to be more explicit than in the past. No scanners, probably not much exploring or environmental storytelling as a result. But hey I'd love to be proven wrong.

This is exactly the reason Metroid fans won't bother with this game. This is exactly what Metroid fans want out of the series and there's too few games like this this generation. If they're not capable of providing such an experience they're better off not even touching the series.

@Spoony_Tech: They said that the 2D ones sell more than the 3D ones so you can't blame them for releasing the ones that can sell big.

Besides, we got 3D Land/World....so that counts right?

@Socar: That counts as well as Other M does so it's a matter of opinion. I don't think it counts personally. It's a great game in its own right but it's not considered by many as a full on 3d title.

Nintendo would probably count 3D Land and 3D World as 3D Mario. Maybe we won't even get a 64/Sunshine/Galaxy style 3D Mario next gen because 2D/2.5D sells more.

Mario Galaxy was one of those games I wouldn't mind a third of. People complained that Galaxy 2 was basically DLC for 1 but that was fine in a way as it still gave the same and great experience of the first. If they made a 3rd nobody would really complain should it be exactly like the others. The games felt fresh and kinda still do.

And they expected the Wii U to catch on how? They're not going to do well in the console space if games like Galaxy 3 and Prime 4 are too much for them, that's the caliber of game people expect on consoles.

I don't know how often this is brought up, but MP:Hunters was touted as being used best with the DS thumb stylus/strap. This addon caught on better in Japan than elsewhere, so a game like FF might make some sense in Japan, who may have more people who are savvy to the ideal type of control scheme for Hunters/FF.

Everywhere else, though, we run into an issue where the controls are either gimped with the default setup for non-New 3DS users, or rely on the second thumb pad (with less precision than a thumb stylus) on a New 3DS. The 3DS doesn't have it's own thumb stylus, and the official DS' thumb stylus part itself is easily scratched/damaged when carrying around the 3DS for Streetpassing. So in most situations, people have poor controls for this type of game unless they find a good 3rd party thumb stylus.

Maybe if they offer a thumb stylus with new copies of the game, the controls won't feel too awkward, but they botched that opportunity once with Kid Icarus: Uprising. (A static holder for the system is unergonomic, and doesn't alleviate the ergonomic problem of trying to contort one hand onto one of the the 3DS' shoulders, while swiping a pen stylus with the other hand.) I wouldn't hold my breath for Nintendo to fare any better for FF.

They really should have just made some kind of 2.5D game, incorporating elements from both classic and Prime games into something new. This Hunters-style control/view scheme doesn't work well for the DS/3DS without a thumb stylus.

@Socar @Grumblevolcano: 3D Land and 3D World feature 3D movement, yes, but they're really 2.5D entries by design. They are certainly nothing like the full, seemingly boundless 3D presentations of 64, Sunshine, and the Galaxies. Wii U basically has no real 3D Mario title, and it's a copout to say that 3D World counts as one.

Reminds me of how the Sega Saturn didn't have any real fully-fledged new Sonic title...

That's nonsense. "2.5D" specifically refers to any game that uses 3D models, but where movement is strictly limited to that of a 2D plane.

Even though 3D Land/World aren't open world, since they feature movement within a 3D plane, they are 3D games. By your definition, Call of Duty, Sonic Adventure, and Metal Gear Rising would all be 2.5D games, because while they do feature movement on a 3D plane, they funnel you down through linear levels. I think you'd agree that sounds a bit ridiculous.

Now, 3D Land/World are 3D games that are less grand in scale than 64/Sunshine/Galaxy sure. But even so, 3D games they remain.