Is there anything in Wind Waker's story that directly confirms that it was the Ocarina of Time seal that Ganondorf escaped to cause the Wind Waker flood?
It says there was no Link when Ganondorf escaped and the gods had to flood Hyrule to prevent him from succeeding.
This being, shows you that not all the Links are related by blood. Since OOT Link disappeared from this timeline when he left (causing the Triforce of Courage to split in pieces) and Wind Waker Link was just the rise of the spirit of the hero.
It says there was no Link when Ganondorf escaped and the gods had to flood Hyrule to prevent him from succeeding.
This being, shows you that not all the Links are related by blood. Since OOT Link disappeared from this timeline when he left (causing the Triforce of Courage to split in pieces) and Wind Waker Link was just the rise of the spirit of the hero.
Only the Zelda's are related by blood.
Well, theoretically, they ALL are related by blood, there's a working theory that the Link and Zelda of OoT are actually brother and sister (may or may not be correct, but I believe it to be true), also consider that given the nature of the relationship between Link and Zelda in SS, they may end up together with kids, thus, a bloodline of common origins. Irregardless, it's my theory that while the Link of WW is not a direct descendent of the OoT Link, he could easily be either a descendent of the SS Link, or a direct descendent of the OoT Zelda (as is Tetra/Zelda)
Also consider this, while without giving spoilers, the end of Skyward Sword makes it more or less impossible that the different Links are not related, it's simply the nature of the curse
I try not to speculate to much but that could be possible.
However the curse it not a literal one. If you get info on Demise by Fi during the battle it says he already incarnates each Epoch. This is a curse to THEM, because he will never truly be defeated. So the Hero will have to keep rising in order to defeat him.
Fi Quote Skyward Sword "This eternal being has conquered time itself. It is the source of all monsters.According to tales passed down through generations, it appears differently in each epoch and to each person who lays eyes on it."
Also it doesn't say his decedents. it say just one who shares the spirit of the Hero.
Demise Quote Skyward Sword "You fight like no man or demon I have ever known.Though this is not the end. My hate...never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end! I will rise again! Those like you... Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse. An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!"
Well there's the pictures of the six sages from OoT in the room where you get the Master Sword, that speaks for itself, also, the FSA reincarnated Ganon was PERMANENTLY mutated into beast form, while Wind Waker Ganondorf stayed in his humanoid form all game, also consider the original two NES Zelda games, where he was ALSO in pig beast form, I just don't see how something like you're suggesting could work out at all
So the Four Sword games are prequels to Zelda 1, 2, and A Link to the Past? Ganon was in his pig form in all those games. But that still doesn't explain where the man Ganondorf came from ("a thief from Gerudo Valley" is too generic).
Another thing that puzzles me: In Skyward Sword the citizens of Skyloft worship the Goddess Hylia, who created the Hylian race. Since they only seem to worship Hylia, this led me to believe Skyloft was monotheistic.
In all the other Zelda games, the three Goddesses Farore, Din, and Nayru are the main deities (and Hylia is never mentioned). So does that mean the Goddess Hylia was made up just for Skyward Sword? Are the Hylians monotheistic or polytheistic?
Yeah The Four Sword Trilogy is before those games with Four Swords Adventures leading right into Link to the Past.
OOT tells you where Ganondorf comes from, and he comes from the same place in FSA. The Gerudo Tribe. Though where they followed Ganondorf in OOT they feared and hated him in FSA because they knew what happened before. They tried to block his path while he was heading towards the Pyramid of Power to get the Trident though they doubted he would even make it past the Desert of Doubt.
Just like Zelda became a mortal incarnation of Hylia, Demise did the same with Ganondorf.
They only worshiped Hylia because they had such a close relationship with her. They are the only people that she raised to the Sky. At the time no one knew the origins, and the Triforce wasn't even known among them minus a select few who were meant to know,
You know at the end though she lost her title as a Goddess when incarnated into Zelda.
Yeah The Four Sword Trilogy is before those games with Four Swords Adventures leading right into Link to the Past.
OOT tells you where Ganondorf comes from, and he comes from the same place in FSA. The Gerudo Tribe. Though where they followed Ganondorf in OOT they feared and hated him in FSA because they knew what happened before. They tried to block his path while he was heading towards the Pyramid of Power to get the Trident though they doubted he would even make it past the Desert of Doubt.
Just like Zelda became a mortal incarnation of Hylia, Demise did the same with Ganondorf.
They only worshiped Hylia because they had such a close relationship with her. They are the only people that she raised to the Sky. At the time no one knew the origins, and the Triforce wasn't even known among them minus a select few who were meant to know,
You know at the end though she lost her title as a Goddess when incarnated into Zelda.
So Hylia was forgotten about after the events of Skyward Sword?
And Ganondorf's incarnation is Ganon. How can Demise, Ganondorf, and Ganon all be the same thing?
Ganon is only a short name for Ganondorf or the name of the beast transformation itself. When he got the Trident he was transformed into a demon beast permanently, which is why he is now only known as Ganon. Still the same guy but no longer a human.
The Trident of Power is the complete opposite of the Master Sword, it can send anyone to the Dark Realm at will and whoever wields it becomes the King of Darkness.
Before Skyward Sword was out I knew Ghirahim would be a Weapon but I speculated he would be the Trident and I expected Demise to have a more Ganon look to him. That would have made a much better choice and connection. Because by getting the Trident it would have been like becoming his original self. Then again it does say Demise looks differently depending on who views him. Though I think they wanted a final sword battle instead of using a Trident, since the Motion Plus and sword combat was the main gimmick.
Also I though this kind of looked like Ghirahim's cape in a way, from the top view if you would have taken it off.
Since he was suppose to be an Anti-Fi and her physical resemblance to the Master Sword, the Trident being the complete opposite, it would made more sense. Too bad that's not what happened.
The only way the games could co-exist on a single timeline would be if they took place hundreds of years apart and Link, Zelda, and Ganon are reincarnations.
...which is exactly what happened. So your entire post is kinda pointless.
This entire thread is kind of pointless. Before I read this I had no idea people put so much time and thought into a "timeline" that only halfway exists. I'm reading words like "confirm" as if anything has ever been "confirmed" by Zelda's intentionally super ambiguous plotline. This is Lost all over again.
tendoboy, are you really having this much trouble understanding oral tradition? Things get forgotten over time. It happens in almost all mythologies and histories.
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The only way the games could co-exist on a single timeline would be if they took place hundreds of years apart and Link, Zelda, and Ganon are reincarnations.
...which is exactly what happened. So your entire post is kinda pointless.
This entire thread is kind of pointless. Before I read this I had no idea people put so much time and thought into a "timeline" that only halfway exists. I'm reading words like "confirm" as if anything has ever been "confirmed" by Zelda's intentionally super ambiguous plotline. This is Lost all over again.
I hardly put any thought at all. All the games basically put themselves in place. I don't see how hard that is to see except for people who think a certain game is a sequel because of the art style or similarities of the sea, and put Wind Waker and Link's Awakening together. All the placements minus 2 game are confirmed either in the story itself, the manual, or an interview by Nintendo.
The only thing I did put a lot of time into is writing the stories for each game so you guys could see the history as the games progress.
What bothers me is people act like I am writing a sort of fan-fiction and that there's no possible way all these games can be connected. Well they are and this is how Nintendo made them. Even if some of those games weren't originally there, Nintendo retconned, changed or moved around things to make them fit. It's only a cluttered up mess for those who don't know where the hell to start or didn't give a damn about the stories.
The only way the games could co-exist on a single timeline would be if they took place hundreds of years apart and Link, Zelda, and Ganon are reincarnations.
...which is exactly what happened. So your entire post is kinda pointless.
This entire thread is kind of pointless. Before I read this I had no idea people put so much time and thought into a "timeline" that only halfway exists. I'm reading words like "confirm" as if anything has ever been "confirmed" by Zelda's intentionally super ambiguous plotline. This is Lost all over again.
I hardly put any thought at all. All the games basically put themselves in place. I don't see how hard that is to see except for people who think a certain game is a sequel because of the art style or similarities of the sea, and put Wind Waker and Link's Awakening together. All the placements minus 2 game are confirmed either in the story itself, the manual, or an interview by Nintendo.
The only thing I did put a lot of time into is writing the stories for each game so you guys could see the history as the games progress.
What bothers me is people act like I am writing a sort of fan-fiction and that there's no possible way all these games can be connected. Well they are and this is how Nintendo made them. Even if some of those games weren't originally there, Nintendo retconned, changed or moved around things to make them fit. It's only a cluttered up mess for those who don't know where the hell to start or didn't give a damn about the stories.
But that's the thing, with each new game that changes or retcons parts of the overall story, that makes the older games seem out of place since they had a different take on the story back then (Zelda 1 and 2, Ocarina of Time, for example).
The only thing like that I know is that OOT was originally the Imprisoning War which was retconned to be ALTTP instead. Which made more sense being that you don't fight Ganon in the Dark Realm in OOT. If anything they add to the overall story.
There's nothing wrong with Zelda 1 and 2. Zelda 1 just starting out as a War where Ganon was looking for the Triforce. Unless there's something you think that feel out of place. LTTP said the Sages made the Master Sword but the story already said that this Legend had lost or changed a few things overtime. This was said again in Skyward Sword which I think was Nintendo's way of fixing minor inconsistency.
The only thing like that I know is that OOT was originally the Imprisoning War which was retconned to be ALTTP instead. Which made more sense being that you don't fight Ganon in the Dark Realm in OOT.
There's nothing wrong with Zelda 1 and 2. Zelda 1 just starting out as a War where Ganon was looking for the Triforce. Unless there's something you think that feel out of place. LTTP said the Sages made the Master Sword but th
The Sages did make the Master Sword, but Skyward Sword changed all that by saying some goddess called Hylia merged a sword spirit called Fi into the "Goddess Sword", turning it into the Master Sword. This retcons everything that was said in A Link to the Past. This is the type of stuff that I hate about Nintendo, they always change things up and make the storyline more confusing.
None of that actually happened in Link to the Past that part of the game was a Legend. The Sages couldn't have possibly have made the Master Sword in LTTP because it existed long before that. The Japanese version says the Sages were just looking for someone to wield it and that the sword stood there for ages.
"Although the English manual of A Link to the Past mentions that the Master Sword was not created until after Ganon invaded the Golden Land, the Japanese manual states that it was forged long before the Imprisoning War occurred. Shortly after the creation of the world, the Goddesses instructed the people of Hyrule to forge a sword that would have the power to vanquish anyone who misused the Triforce.[13] The location of the blade was already forgotten by the time of the Imprisoning War, and no hero was found worthy of wielding it."
None of that actually happened in Link to the Past that part of the game was a Legend. The Sages couldn't have possibly have made the Master Sword in LTTP because it existed long before that. The Japanese version says the Sages were just looking for someone to wield it and that the sword stood there for ages.
"Although the English manual of A Link to the Past mentions that the Master Sword was not created until after Ganon invaded the Golden Land, the Japanese manual states that it was forged long before the Imprisoning War occurred. Shortly after the creation of the world, the Goddesses instructed the people of Hyrule to forge a sword that would have the power to vanquish anyone who misused the Triforce.[13] The location of the blade was already forgotten by the time of the Imprisoning War, and no hero was found worthy of wielding it."
Just a thought, but I wanted to share it: The Master Sword wasn't in Zelda 1 or 2, and the reasoning for that is that Miyamoto probably didn't think of the idea until making A Link to the Past. But now that there are several games in the Zelda series, Miyamoto and Anouma could remake Zelda 1 and 2 so they better fit with the rest of the series. In a way, A Link to the Past is the first proper Zelda game, the other 2 were just building blocks.
The Master Sword wasn't in Zelda 1 or 2, and the reasoning for that is that Miyamoto probably didn't think of the idea until making A Link to the Past.
Yeah wtf is wrong with him, he should've had the whole series planned out from the start.
The Master Sword wasn't in Zelda 1 or 2, and the reasoning for that is that Miyamoto probably didn't think of the idea until making A Link to the Past.
Yeah wtf is wrong with him, he should've had the whole series planned out from the start.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that Zelda 1 and 2 are now out of place with the rest of the series. Miyamoto and Anouma need to remake them so they fit with the rest of the Zelda storyline.
The Master Sword isn't suppose to be in Zelda 1 and 2. LTTP "And the Master Sword sleeps again... Forever!" LTTP "The Master Sword will be placed back into the pedestal, never to be used again."
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