@FaeKnight For a brief moment there in the 90s FMV games, which NIGHT TRAP was one of the first, were cutting edge. Genuinely got people excited. Alas, history and the rise of negative opinion being perpetuated as fact - like how ZELDA II is bad and always was mentality -has seen the game only deemed notable for being 'so bad it's good'. Worth remembering that the game had also been made in the late 80s but took many years to then be released in its final form. So it was already 'old' in that sense but ahead of its time in that the tech to play video off a disc on a console was yet to be perfected.
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Zelda 2 wasn't a bad game, but neither was it a good game. Yes, I played it. Beat the game in fact. But it was more an anger inducing slog then fun time. Especially in the later dungeons.
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Zelda 2 wasn't a bad game, but neither was it a good game. Yes, I played it. Beat the game in fact. But it was more an anger inducing slog then fun time. Especially in the later dungeons.
I was referring to the common trend of how certain games are now reported as bad or not liked as fact. The examples I refer to are ZELDA II and NIGHT TRAP. I'm not saying I think they are under-appreciated or good or bad nor am I seeking to counter your own opinions on those games. It was more a simple case of making an observation that games that were actually well-received and predominately praised at the time of their release are now discussed in the modern day as if they were wholly ill-received and objectively seen as bad games at that time. This actually wasn't the case and seldom is. A narrative is built up and then perpetuated via things like YouTube and forum threads and an alternative reality is then believed to be irrefutable fact. Happens all the time about loads of cultural products, not just games.
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@FaeKnight Oh, I disagree with that a lot. Zelda II, before BotW, was actually my favorite Zelda game simply because it wasn't like normal Zelda which for some reason I just can't click with, aside from OoT. The combat and high (yet fair, even in the Great Temple and Death Mountain) difficulty was a lot of fun, and it felt like a prototype version of Soma Cruz's sword moveset from Castlevania: Aria/Dawn of Sorrow mixed with Super Castlevania IV's physics. I loved Zelda II a lot and personally think it gets way more flak than it deserves.
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@FaeKnight Oh, I disagree with that a lot. Zelda II, before BotW, was actually my favorite Zelda game simply because it wasn't like normal Zelda which for some reason I just can't click with, aside from OoT. The combat and high (yet fair, even in the Great Temple and Death Mountain) difficulty was a lot of fun, and it felt like a prototype version of Soma Cruz's sword moveset from Castlevania: Aria/Dawn of Sorrow mixed with Super Castlevania IV's physics. I loved Zelda II a lot and personally think it gets way more flak than it deserves.
That's fair. Controls were (mostly) pretty solid, but the game I thought had some major flaws. For example the "get hit, fly backwards" bit that lets you easily get stun locked or one hit killed when trying to do platforming sections. Castlevenia and Ninja Gaiden also had that problem, and as a result were far harder then they needed to be anytime precision platforming over bottomless pits was required. And your attack range was (as I recall) barely past your shield, while many enemies could hit you from much further away.
As I said, I didn't think Zelda 2 was a bad game. But it's problems and flaws meant it wasn't a good game either, it was just average. I think a lot of retro game reviewers view these games through lens of modern game design while forgetting the limitations the NES had. Thus they look at common flaws and are overly harsh. AVGN is one such reviewer. Many of the games he lays into were actually fun to play, but they were by no means great games. They were merely average.
Or maybe that's a problem with game reviewers in general. They insist everything needs to be either "great" or "horrible", and don't consider "it's fun, but average" to be a valid place to aim for.
I know, I said I would wait until it went on Selects, but it is actually a part of a very rare first party Nintendo title sale on Amazon and Walmart right now for $45. Plus, my dog got ahold of my thumb drive with my Wii U copy of the game early this afternoon. >.<
So after saying I was trying to break the mold and not get an RPG, I went out and got Xenoblade Chronicles 2... Of course, I'm enjoying it a lot already, but in the meantime I dusted off some old non-rpg games to play, like Streets of Rage 2 and TMNT (Genesis both). I don't know what it is about those games, but I've replayed them several times throughout the years, and I keep coming back to them.
Glad my copy of Okami HD physical came in from Japan this afternoon(was a lot quicker than I expected), though I can't start since I'm glued to Octopath for a bit longer, heh.
Glad my copy of Okami HD physical came in from Japan this afternoon(was a lot quicker than I expected), though I can't start since I'm glued to Octopath for a bit longer, heh.
Same here. I ordered it on Monday, was playing it Thursday night. It's hard to believe you can actually get a game from Japan that fast.
And with that, I really need to take a little break from buying games. In the last few weeks I went a little nuts and bought Okami HD, BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle, Crypt of the Necrodancer and Sonic Mania Plus. I also just started getting serious with Xenoblade Chronicles 2, which meant I basically abandoned my progress in Dragon Quest Builders and Darkest Dungeon.
I have got to finish some of these games instead of continually buying new ones.
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