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RR529

Godzilla 1984 "the Return of Godzilla" (Blu-Ray) - An attempt to get the franchise back on track after the sillier fare of the 60's & 70's, it positions itself as a direct sequel to the 1954 original, with a more serious tone that references the nuclear danger posed by the cold war between the US & Soviet Union. This was the uncut Japanese original, and not the version first brought over to the west.

My brother used to have this on VHS (the Americanized version, I'm sure), so it's one I watched quite a bit as a kid, but it's been years since I've seen it so it was practically brand new to me (the only things I remembered about it were Godzilla's temporary defeat due to the Cadmium weapons, and being forced into a volcano at the end). I have to say I really enjoyed it. The story had just enough oomph to it to keep me intetested in that angle of it, and while the effects are showing their age, you can tell they put a lot more care & effort into the whole thing compared to the usual "Godzilla VS [insert monster here]" flicks of the time (I actually was pretty impressed with the practical effects work when Godzilla fought the Super X).

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Octopussy (Blu-Ray) - The second of the 80's Bond flicks I've picked up. When another "00" is killed for discovering that the Soviets are seemingly in the business of smuggling knockoff priceless artifacts, Bond is sent in to find out the truth behind the matter.

  • It started off really strong with Bond infiltrating a military facility of an unnamed(?) Latin American dictatorship, but never really climbed back up to those hights again (though the big climax in East & West Germany was pretty good too). Most of the film took place in India, which just wasn't that interesting of a locale IMO.
  • I want to give props to the opening chase (loved him pulling out that small plane), the cool (albiet very brief) car chase in Germany, and the ending plane scene (especially with the stunt doubles climbing on the outside of the craft while airborne).
  • Interestingly, it's the first time I've seen full nudity in a Bond film (for a brief moment or two when "Octopussy" is getting out of the pool in her introductory scene. She's just far enough away from the camera that they probably thought the resolution would ever be good enough to see anything).
  • Even as someone who enjoys the more campy elements of the older Bond films, it really kind of pushes it in the final moments of the raid on the villain's lair (you have a small army of women warriors raiding the place in JRPG levels of bikini armor, and James himself arrives in a Union Jack patterned hot air balloon of all things).

Overall pretty decent, but not one of my favorites.

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BlueBlur101

Joker is a goddamn masterpiece

Seriously, WATCH IT. Ignore what the press has to say about inciting gun violence or glorifying white male terrorism because they simply missed the deeper messages about the importance of not dismissing mental health, social divide, whether we contribute to the toxicity that creates malevolent people, what it takes to expose society's inadvertent hypocrisies, etc.

I'd honestly be content with DC scrapping the DCEU in favor of more of these standalone character study films on their individual heroes and villains in a "what if" scenario where they rose from realistic circumstances.
Easy 10/10 film. Really makes you think

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BlueBlur101

@StephanDLW Well in an age where we are all required to make every film politically correct and void of any artful expression, Joker can definitely be the type of film that rubs critics the wrong way, but that doesn't demean any of the messages that it had to speak up about, which enhanced its quality.

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StephanDLW wrote:

@BlueBlur101
Maybe Joker will be one of those movies that will be fully appreciated by critics a couple of decades from now. Like 'A Clockwork Orange' for example. Now it's hailed as a masterpiece, but when it first came out critics were very divided by it.

A Clockwork Orange was nominated for an Oscar, it was held a masterpiece from the get go, it was Stanley Kubrick the critic's darling of the day film. You're confusing the controversary where there were instances (some directly linked and others not) of the film inspiring rape and murder. Also the Joker is rated fresh on Rotten Tomatoes, people are complaining it's not getting universal great reviews rather than it's not getting good reviews.

It's interesting people are standing up for this movie as art with it's important messages that must be seen despite the movie's huge adverting budget and use of an iconic merch selling murder clown overshadowing all of the small think pieces films and documentaries out there. Hopefully Warner Bros will allow the use of Harry Potter, Looney Tunes etc for directors to raise attention for other important issues like climate change or movies to entertain people.

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BlueBlur101

@jump I'm not denying that films can't be entertainment. They have to all share that element first and foremost, but the fact that critics have been calling Joker a shallow film lacking of any meaningful substance or messaging when it really has things to say about societal norms and our treatment of the mentally ill, as well as the reluctance to reach out to those types of people when the signs are there, is really disheartening.

A more apt comparison to how I think this film will be recieved retroactively is Taxi Driver, fittingly one of the Scorcese works that actually influenced this film's direction in tone and characterization.

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BlueBlur101 wrote:

but the fact that critics have been calling Joker a shallow film lacking of any meaningful substance or messaging

It's rated fresh on Rotten Tomatoes and the movie poster on the buses that pass me on the streets have loads of five star reviews calling it a masterpiece. The big picture is it's being well received by most critics with a handful not liking it, which is far from being slammed by the critics. In any case it doesn't matter what critics thinks, with the power of Batman's murder clown pal on the poster it will sell loads of tickets so it really doesn't matter.

The bigger issue to me as comic book fan is now having to explain to non-comic book people for the next few years The Joker film is nothing like the actual Joker

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BlueBlur101

@jump It's rated fresh but the rating has dipped significantly since its initial screening at the Venice and Toronto International Film Festivals

80-69% is really steep
It's because there's a noticeable amount of negative reviews slamming the film as inciting gun violence or glorifying white male terrorism or lacking in any thoughtful messaging which I find really baffling

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BlueBlur101 wrote:

@jump It's rated fresh but the rating has dipped significantly since its initial screening at the Venice and Toronto International Film Festivals

80-69% is really steep
It's because there's a noticeable amount of negative reviews slamming the film as inciting gun violence or glorifying white male terrorism or lacking in any thoughtful messaging which I find really baffling

So what? That 11% means very little, it's got good word of mouth, it's making dolla dolla and will probably get an Oscar.

Tbh you can't have it both ways tho, if the real world stuff from what the movie says matters then so does a movie studio using forced controversy to sell a movie too. I mean he's a serial killer clown from a franchise that has had spree killings connected to it the past. This Joker has very little in common with the established character, take him out and there's a lot less people paying attention or keep him in and there's controversary and cash. Whilst the handful of critics complaining are indeed muppets for buying into it so are people for not seeing through this as a crass re-skinning of a movie. I'm off to pre-order my talking Joker doll now

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StephanDLW wrote:

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I stand corrected about A Clockwork Orange. Did some digging and you seem to be right about its initial reception. Somehow I thought it wasn't that well received at launch. Memory playing tricks on me I guess.

Joker isn't well received at all by critics. It's currently sitting at 58% on Metacritic. There's no way you can say that's good. Middling at best.

Metacritic is rubbish for films though, it's evaluates dozens of reviews as opposed to Rotten Tomatoes using hundreds of reviews for the same films. Unless of course people are just looking for bad reviews to complain about them

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RR529

Dumbo (DVD) - The live action one. Nothing revelatory, but a decent enough family film.

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Alien (Blu-Ray) - Although I've seen bits & pieces of it in the past, this is the first time I've fully watched this sci-fi classic.

Pros:

  • It's a marvel in practical effects work. I mean, sure there were times when something showed it's age, but man was everything meticulously put together for the most part. The eggs & facehugger in particular gave me a believably squeamish reaction.
  • Tense & moody atmosphere that made it a perfect evening watch, with a genuine narrative twist or two. I never expected Ash would be an android.

Cons:

  • A small complaint in the grand scheme of things, but I didn't care for the incessant strobe light effect during the climax.

I can definitely see why this is a classic. It certainly holds up.

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RR529

Since Alien was the last film in my last batch, I've ordered my next set of Blu-Rays.

  • A View to a Kill - the next Bond movie in line. I was going to get Never Say Never Again next (even though it's apparently not proper Bond), but it must not have had a rerelease in awhile. Walmart only has it through a 3rd party seller offering it for over $150! Heck, even the DVD was $60 or something like that. Needless to say I'm not spending that much on a movie, so I'm skipping it.
  • Godzilla VS King Ghidorah - the 90's version, comes in a double pack with the 90's Godzilla VS Mothra. I was going to get Godzilla VS Biollante, as it was next in-line after 1984/5 (which I last watched), but apparently Walmart only has it as an in-store purchase only, so I'll have to look for it next time I go.
  • Godzilla VS Mothra - Look above.
  • Fast Times at Ridgemont High - I tend to enjoy 80's teen films (and have seen parts of it before), so I've decided to get it.
  • Starship Troopers - A violent sci-fi epic with a more humorous tone (a satire of nationalist militarism), I've always liked it.

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Well, Never Say Never is basically Thunderball, @RR529 .... Did you see original version of that?
Are you going onto Aliens, then? Definitely recommend that & Predator?

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RR529

@BruceCM, I'm sure I've seen Thunderball before (or at least parts of it), as we used to have a movie channel that would show all the older Bond films (Connery through Brosnan) ad nauseum a couple times a year, but as silly & shallow as it may sound, I really don't find myself enjoying movies made before the 80's.

Don't get me wrong, there are exceptions, but the 60's and earlier 70's Bond films really aren't among them.

EDIT: And yes, I'll definitely be checking out Aliens in the future.

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jump wrote:

StephanDLW wrote:

@BlueBlur101
Maybe Joker will be one of those movies that will be fully appreciated by critics a couple of decades from now. Like 'A Clockwork Orange' for example. Now it's hailed as a masterpiece, but when it first came out critics were very divided by it.

A Clockwork Orange was nominated for an Oscar, it was held a masterpiece from the get go, it was Stanley Kubrick the critic's darling of the day film. You're confusing the controversary where there were instances (some directly linked and others not) of the film inspiring rape and murder. Also the Joker is rated fresh on Rotten Tomatoes, people are complaining it's not getting universal great reviews rather than it's not getting good reviews.

It's interesting people are standing up for this movie as art with it's important messages that must be seen despite the movie's huge adverting budget and use of an iconic merch selling murder clown overshadowing all of the small think pieces films and documentaries out there. Hopefully Warner Bros will allow the use of Harry Potter, Looney Tunes etc for directors to raise attention for other important issues like climate change or movies to entertain people.

Well A Clockwork Orange was pretty controversial when it came out, it was banned in the UK for a while or at least pulled. Many critics loved it but there was still a significant backlash.

A better example of a Kubrick movie that was panned at the time and reassessed later is The Shining.

In any case, I loved Joker, I think most of the backlash to it is pretty cynical and disingenuous.

Also also, sorry for being late to the party on this discussion.

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BruceCM

Eh, the Connery & Moore Bonds were good, if you saw them as a child.... @RR529 I'd agree, most of those don't hold up so well as an adult, especially without the nostalgia helping
You got Aliens on DVD or Blu-Ray, right? So, it has the longer Director's Cut? It's definitely worth watching that instead of the original theatrical release

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RR529

@BruceCM, yeah, I got it on Blu-Ray & watched the Director's Cut version.

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BlueBlur101

@BruceCM Brosnan was honestly the perfect Bond actor in my opinion

GoldenEye is easily my favorite Bond film to date, while I also think Tomorrow Never Dies and TWINE are pretty heavily underrated

Die Another Day was something that happened

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Well A Clockwork Orange was pretty controversial when it came out, it was banned in the UK for a while or at least pulled. Many critics loved it but there was still a significant backlash.

It was never actually banned in the UK though, the version that was approved and released in the UK was actually less censored (basically more rapey) than the US version. Kubrick withdrew the film in the UK as he couldn't bothered with people/newspapers complaining about it. It's why only once he died it got re-released by the studio.

On a side note there's a place in London called Scala that use to be a famous cinema and they decided to show a Clockwork Orange after Kubrick pulled it anyway, however they then got spanked hard by Kubrick's lawyers for doing it so it was converted into a music venue after the owners went bankrupt.

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