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Topic: If your staff can't review a fanservice game correctly, I'll do it.

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ThanosReXXX

@Dogorilla Ah, I see. Well, either way, regardless of it all, I found it to be quite a thorough review, also touching upon both positives and negatives not mentioned or only ever so lightly touched upon in the NLife review, and in the mean time, several other more positive reviews have been posted here, so I'd say something's up when the negative reviews are in the minority.

Mind you, as you can see in the comments, most are not even defending the game itself (heck, I certainly won't be buying it either), but we are criticizing the far too opinionated review, which does indeed in certain places seem to mock people that like these types of games.

On a side note: I'm in complete agreement with @Galenmereth: contrary to popular belief, these games do not turn the people that play them into misogynistic idiots, that only see women as lust objects or whatever. Most of us play all kinds of games, and most of us also know full well how to separate fact from fiction.

In real life, you won't see me double jumping on a crocodile's head any time soon either...

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HobbitGamer

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@Dogorilla Does GTA encourage teens to become mass-murderers? Does Call of Duty encourage people to go to war?

Agreed. This is a way the discussion always slides away. 50 Shades, romance novels, Magic Mike, and loads of other media examples also exist. But no one ever takes seriously the idea of “if you don’t talk about the ‘harm’ these things do, your opinion is worthless”. That’s a cop out. Lee and Klebold didn’t murder kids because they were pretending to be Doomguy.

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Dogorilla

@Galenmereth No, and I don't think 'fan-service' games encourage teens to become misogynists either, generally. That's why I said I think it's fine for people to enjoy these games as long as they're aware of the potential issues. I'm not saying they need to be able to write a thesis on women's rights to be allowed to play them, just be aware. To use your example of GTA: if someone was playing that game and didn't see an issue with translating their in-game actions to the real world, that would be a problem. Doesn't mean you have to pause the game every time you commit a crime and think 'well, I'd better make sure I don't repeat that next time I'm walking down the street', but I think most GTA players at least have it in the back of their minds that their actions in the game would not be okay in real life.
In my opinion, it's the same with these 'fan-service' games. If you don't see a problem at all with the way women are treated in these games, that's potentially a sign of underlying misogyny, which can lead to real women being harmed in some ways. To be clear, I am by no means accusing the average player of these games of misogyny, and I can understand why people disagree with reviewers taking moral objections to them instead of just concentrating on the games' qualities, but at the same time I'm kind of uneasy with people immediately dismissing all criticism of these games as if they're not problematic in any way.

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NEStalgia

@Dezzy There's truth to that. When I was a critic I always tried to hold the standard of reviewing a game through the eyes of someone that would have interest in that premise to begin with. Reviewing a production when you already know you dislike that style of production makes no sense. Nobody gains anything from reading a review about how much a given critic hated a racing game, primarily because it was a racing game and he/she doesn't enjoy racing games. Anybody looking for a review isn't looking to find out if people that don't enjoy racing games are going to confirm they indeed dislike that racing game too.....people want to find out how good a racing game it is compared to other racing games. If it was a genre I didn't like I tried to hold an objective, relatively unbiased line comparing it to others of its genre and what someone into that genre would likely find they like or dislike about it in contrast to other games. I didn't just write "this horror game is scary and gory and I wet myself thrice, 2/10 what a horrible experience" just because I hate horror.

NL reviews in this genre have a "I hate fan service games as a concept, therefore this game is terrible because it's a fan service game" angle.

When it comes to "fan service anime" games, NL reviews can come across as a monastery reviewing pornos. Then again....if it's a monastery of a particular former-imperial denomination, I suspect the underage sexualization might get much higher scores than on NL......at least if it included chibi-six-pack-guys....

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Galenmereth

@Dogorilla If you don't see a problem at all with shooting hearts at anime girls' boobs, your brain isn't working correctly, or your parents let you play a game at way too young an age, before it was fully developed. Because the problem is that it's not real. The characters are charicatures, and the scenarios ridiculous. On purpose.

Morals, ethics, empathy, and social rules are something children and grown-ups learn in everyday life. Not every piece of entertainment consumed must remind them of it, nor should it even adhere to them. Acting out fantasies in worlds with rules different of our own — even in strict opposition to them — is actually healthy. Which is why playing a game as a plumber that solves his problems by jumping on turtles is perfectly fine, even if that very act would be utterly despicable in reality.

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ThanosReXXX

@Dogorilla I can't speak for others, but far as I'm concerned the biggest mistake that people against violence or mistreatment of women are making, is seeing the characters in these games as real. And that to me is so stupid and extremely short-sighted.

In Call of Duty, you're not shooting actual people through the head, it's just a digital mannequin that looks like a person. And with these anime/ecchi games, it's even less real. I've never seen any real women or girl looking even remotely similar to these weird anime characters, with impossibly large eyes, all colors of the rainbow type of hair-do's, cat ears and paws, or rabbit tails, or breasts that would hardly ever be found on a girl their age.

As such, I just see them for what they are: virtual, non-existent characters, who are manipulated by actions in a game, NOT a real person which is mistreated, denigrated or whatever kind of negative action or label you can think of. And even though I don't particularly like or care about this specific game, I've played plenty of dating sims and/or hentai/ecchi type of games with jiggly boobs and panties flying around. And I've never even for a single fraction of a second felt bad about it.

And if I've made my way through entire battalions of Germans in Call of Duty, I don't feel like a mass murderer either. It's just me finishing a level in a game, nothing more, nothing less.

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@HobbitGamer I'm convinced the only reason males feel the need to be offended and outraged by visual titillation in games like this is because none of them are man enough to have ever cracked opened one of the trashy romance novels their "damsels in distress" are addicted to. Senran Kagura has nothing over on what women buy in dozens and men are blithely ignorant to what exactly the sugar and spice lot are indulging in. It's like Senran Kagura, but with full frontal and hardcore....in words, injected directly into the brain, no need for eyes. Remember that the next time the ladyfolk laugh at your blushing cartoon girls in bikinis, before they retreat to read exactly what Conan is going to do with his huge floppy pride.....

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@NEStalgia Yup, it's totes equal opportunity for indulgence out there. A picture can say a thousand words, but not some of those words

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Dogorilla

@Galenmereth I mean, yeah, I agree.

@ThanosReXXX I don't see the characters as literally being real, but it would be incorrect to claim that works of entertainment can't inspire real-world consequences. The shark from Jaws wasn't real, but that film caused many people to develop a fear of sharks and led to a large increase in shark killings, despite the fact that sharks very rarely kill people in real life. That may be an extreme example, and I think it's very unlikely that most video games would inspire anyone in their right mind to commit acts of violence, misogyny etc, but it's still worth discussing.

Anyway, I think we're more or less in agreement here: these games are fine as long as they don't cause people to objectify real women, which, again, I have no evidence to suggest that they do.

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@HobbitGamer "A picture can say a thousand words, but not some of those words "

LOL, couldn't have said it better!

Fabio wasn't on the cover of those novels (and Rare games........................) for nothing.....

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@Dogorilla To be fair, Jaws had that effect because the film became a pop culture and media icon for the entire civilization at once.

The closest video game equivalent that's still far off would be if kids started jumping out of school buses in outlandishly flamboyant cowboy costumes to shoot people in groups because of Fortnite.

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@NEStalgia it's not on her Wikipedia page!

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ThanosReXXX

@Dogorilla I suppose we could now come to the conclusion that the people that are affected either by games, movies or any other kind of artistic media, to the point where they either mistreat or seriously endanger other people, already had problems to begin with, and besides that, don't have enough (working) brain cells to distinguish fact from fiction.

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Dogorilla

@NEStalgia You say that but I'm pretty sure kids would be doing exactly that if they had easy access to flamboyant cowboy costumes and guns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NCyD3XoJgM

NEStalgia

@Dogorilla It's funny because it's true.....

Now if only the middle schoolers would start shooting confetti harts out of phallus guns at all the girls instead of trying to sleep with them.....

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HobbitGamer

I dunno, I think Pinocchio had a pretty large impact on society. It caused an entire industry to be created in order to get back at whales....

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