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@Crono1973 You can share digital games between 2 switches. You have a primary console, which games are available to all users on. Then you can have another console with your games available when signed in.

This is the exact same way that Xbox1 and PS4 works.

@Crono1973, Yes yes u can share games? You can share games exactly the same way you can with Xbox, PS.

Once again, the switch in it's current design is a great Console. Not a great handheld. It's priced to high to get the kids one each, ect.

The mini, will be a boon for everyone. It will put switches in the hands of more people, people that maybe couldn't afford one at current MSRP, or can't justify it. Which leads to more sales which leads to more support, which leads to more games. It's only a positive. The real question is why are you so against it?

I owned a 3ds, and couldn't wait for the 2ds XL. Now that it's out, I gave my daughter the 3ds XL and got a 2ds. I love 2ds, and 3ds the games ect. I cannot stand the stupid 3d screen. It was the stupidest most useless console feature I have ever seen. I still owned it.

@Crono1973 Umm, no?

I want a Switch mini as we have a Switch, soon will have 2, and my Daughter wants her own. So does my Son, So does my wife. A Cheaper mini, makes that more realistic.

@TheFox So few things,

For 1, this would not be the first or the last game made that requires additional accessories. Kinect with Xbox, PS Eyetoy, ect, ect, ect.

Mario Party, actually and I didn't know this right now, until my laziness to find my Mario Party Case. Has a version that includes 2 Joycons, odd combo right?

Further, and this is something I have never noticed. On the back of Mario Party, it shows 3 pictures (and Arms, and probably all games) for the "Compability" It shows a Switch in docked mode, and says 1-4, it shows a Switch with the Joycons detached and Says 1-4, and it shows a Switch with Joycons not detached and has a Strike through.

This straight up tells you from the jump, non detachable joycon will not work. And its on all the games, so bases have been covered since the Start. A Mini was likely always the plan.

Want more? Easy, check out the new Hori Official joycons, that DO not offer wireless, and are much cheaper. A mini isnt really needed, as much as a Joyconless, Dockless Switch, let us choose what we want and what we dont and drop the price to 150 tablet only.

I would love the latter, over a Mini. I need another switch for Pokemon, and we already have 2 Docks, we already have 8 Joycons (I have my own set, wife too, and the kids have their own sets each) and 2 Pro controllers. We dont need, another Dock, Another Set of Joycons, ect, just another Tablet.

@ss213 The idea of Multiplayer on the same switch is what they are trying to move away from with this design.

The writing is on the wall. Let's Go, cannot trade between users on same switch or battle, Sword and Shield will be the same. Pokemon demands a cheaper 1 for everyone switch, instead of Multiplayer features, and they will sell for that reason alone.

The few games that do Tabletop multiplayer, few people care about. A switch mini/light is not about playing with everyone, it's about being a 3ds/2ds replacement.

@tsdenizen Wells it's a kids game, for kids, always has been, always will be. So ya, it has to be kid friendly.

That's not to say adults can't play and like Pokemon I do, but don't expect it to have difficulty like Octopath when it's made for children.

I'm glad of all the changes, now I can play Pokemon with my daughter and she wants to play, she didn't want to play S/M, she said it was too confusing and tedious.

I think all the complainers are not parents.

Maybe you should stop and think, that if your going to constantly complain about handholding, maybe it's time to look at more skill based, harder, adult oriented JRPGs. As obviously Pokemon is no longer what you are looking for.

@Dayton311 it is a problem in the US, your town is just lucky thus far.

Amazon is out of stock so is GameStop US.

@Misfit410 why not just use a USB C to USB A female adapter, they are small, I have like 5 fromy phones lol.

@Sakura I think they are just meaning like Fortnite ECT saves won't be cloud backed.

I don't see any way for certain games to be excluded.

@Agramonte Hmm that's interesting. Well then I assume switch will do the same.

That must be new though when I had to pay for Plus to play ESO on PS4.

They also told us then we didn't need Plus, But I sure couldn't play without it.

Switch did say that not all games would require the Online Service, and if PS isn't charging for those than switch probably won't either.

@Agramonte Do they remain F2P on PS4? Nope,
Do they remain F2P on Xbox Nopee.
Will they remain F2P on Switch, I am guessing thats a Noo.

@Sakura What are you talking about "Cloud Saves that might not Include all games" OFC it will include all games, why wouldn't it lol?

All games save to the Switch (except server based stuff like fortnite) its not possible to save to the Cart, all saves go to your save data folder, so that is backed up. There is no possible way a game gets excluded from that.

@MoonKnight7 Umm lol, Splatoon 2, Fortnite, Warframe, Mario Kart, Smash.

@Andrew5678
I think the clamshell design is taken too far. It isn't that good it isn't that different.

The switches screen is plastic, with a decent distance to the LCD panel, anything that would break it would likely break the clamshell as well.

Also there is the option of turning the screen the other way lol.

Idk, like look at boogie2988s 1yr review. He only uses it handheld, he has videos of him litteraly throwing the thing across the room, there is chunks of plastic missing from the shell ECT. The switch is alot more durable and alot more portable than most people give it credit I think.

It's like I said earlier they said it can't be a handheld with 3 hours battery. Sure it can though, you don't need to play video games for 6 hours straight on a handheld. Even then, theirs car chargers, USB charging docks ECT.

People find laptops and tablets to be portable. Is a tablet not a handheld device? They come much bigger.

The only 3DS I had was the XL the Switch is barely bigger than would go on my jeans pocket. A jacket pocket sure, or a bag. You don't need to keep the thing in your pocket anyway.

Once again portable doesn't mean in your pocket lol with a 2.5inch screen.

@Phle Of course you have better memory's with the 3ds, you had it for 8 years...

There comes a time when you have to move forward.

@Andrew5678 there is games that can't be played on a 2ds, there was games that couldn't be played on a non New 3DS. That won't stop a mini switch.

Besides I don't think anyone said a pocket switch would be able to use joycons it would, it just wouldn't come with them.

@MegaTen Ya, except they said the exact same thing about the DS, it wasn't the replacement for the GBA, but another Pillar.

Except it wasn't. It's called marketing lol.

@Anti-Matter Except that is a Nintendo switch in a way.

Wiiu / 3ds in one, yep thats a switch.

The problem with that idea is a switch will never fit in that form factor. There is already battery complaints if they make it thicker than maybe, they could make it smaller with non detacheable joycons and the same battery life. We will have to see.

@MegaTen We have that, it's called the Nintendo Switch.

That is the successor lol.

@Anti-Matter Pretty much just like that ya.

I don't think they can make it smaller than it is right now. If you dissasemble a switch it's pretty much as small as space it can be.

I bet highly on a clamshell mod for the current switch with a big battery, everyone wins. The switch tablet is about the size a 3ds XL, slap on a bottom that is as thick adds a tad height it will be protable and have much more battery life. Without having to make another sku.

I just though of something.

The switch mini as we are dubbing it is going to have to be a clamshell. It isn't going to be 2 screens, but they can't fit all the switch hardware in a smaller screen size. It's going to have to be a clamshell, with 1 screen.

Think like the Nvidia shield, the screen can then be smaller and the whole system can be. Not that it needs to be then, as the current switch tablet is fine it's the joycons that hurt portablitiy.

So odds are high people will get their clamshell dreams in the switch mini. Though 2 screens won't happen and doesnt need to anyway.

In all honesty they could make a clamshell joycon that's uses the rails for the current switch. It would make it more portable would be easy to do, and would give everyone there clamshell. They could stuff in a huge extra battery, It would also be detachable, so you could dock the switch, or use joycons. It would be top heavy, but such is life.

@Crono1973 Nintendo does see it like that, because they see there own telemetry that shows people in Japan don't use the docks...

If that was true, why not release it in the states, where we do use the docks?

@Crono1973 Wait, did you just say "you don't understand why you would buy a second you can't play on the TV all the time".

No I do, you don't. You buy a second to play in handheld mode while someone else plays on the TV, or to play it as handheld only. That was the original argument, you said it's not for handheld it's for second.

Now you say, it's for handheld. Make up your mind lol. The only point to it is to use it as a handheld, period. There is no reason to buy a second switch with no dock if you aren't using it as a Handheld.

@DawgP Except like I just said, none of that will happen with a new 3DS.

It won't be as small as the old one, 2 HD screens won't have better battery life it will be worse.

240p isn't going to cut it anymore, they can't release another 240p system, and anything more takes more expensive screens, more advanced hardware ECT. They went as far as they can with the 3ds.

@aaronsullivan The thing, there was tons of polls about this.

People don't like 2 screens, people don't like 3D.

People do like better graphics.

Which makes the switch a clear win. The switch is showing that with being the fastest selling console since the Wii. The 3ds is not competition.

On top of that, you can afford 2 HD screens, they can't fit that kind of hardware into the size of a 3DS. The size would be larger and the price would be double what the 3DS was, it would cost more than a switch.

@Crono1973 If you both can't play at the same time then what's the point? Can't use the dock at the same time.

You can both play on the TV at separate times on the same switch there is no reason for a second switch.

If you can afford to buy a second switch you likely have 2 TV's, so both could play on 2 different TV's on 2 different docks.

@twztid13 It just looks overblown super pixelated, it just doesn't feel right you know what I mean.

@Crono1973 Oh it 110% is not the switch mini that everyone wants.

But that will come, likely with Mariko. They get bigger fish they have to revise to stop the hacking first, the mini is the after thought.

@Crono1973 that was proven false when they actually started selling. That was based off the photos provided only.

It has a power cord, and joycons and the tablet. It doesn't have the controller grip, nor the dock, that's all.

Nintendo just messed up. Because people that are buying them are showing power cords.

Furthermore once again, you are ignoring telemetry they DO NOT USE DOCKS IN JAPAN! I don't know how many other ways to put that. You just keep trying to step around the facts.

@Crono1973 They do include the power cord...

They don't include a dock that's it.

A power cord is 40, why would you even buy it at that point it's the same price as the normal sku, lol.

The early reports said no power cord, by the pictures that is fake news. The actual units do have a power cord.

@Crono1973 There is a massive difference. You are trying to frame it as Japan uses the dock, but this sku is to add a second console and use the first dock.

That is false, they don't use the dock at all in Japan. Whether it's the first switch or 5th in the house, they don't use docks.

This is exactly why that Sku isn't coming here. We do use Docks in the US.

And don't say "People in the US don't buy more switches" as I sit here owning 3, and everyone I know has at least 2.

@twztid13 it doesn't look the same in handheld lol.

When you play it docked you see the choppy graphics that are not so choppy on the tiny screen. It's like playing Pokemon blue on a TV it's obvious it wasn't designs for such a large screen.

Just like he said.

@Crono1973 the translation is it's a second switch sku. Not a second console for your home sku.

Just like a PS4 slim is a second sku, or the Xbox S. Some small changes and a new sku.

@twztid13 Ya but the Switch is getting the handheld games too.

Since you named some JRPGs I assume you are a fan of them like me.

So Octopath? If the 3DS was going to continue that should have went to 3ds. It's horrid in docked mode, it's a handheld only game. It didn't go to 3ds because 3ds is done.

@Crono1973 I'm not wrong, you are using loose and wrong translations to back up fact against actual factual Data.

You shown time and time again you have a severe bias in obtaining a 3ds replacement that isn't a switch.

There is no sense talking someone who refutes facts, you have shown emotion in your posts, and are refusing facts.

@Crono1973 That is loosely translated and could mean alot of things. Like I said look at data, the data says they don't use docks.

If it was JUST a second switch item, then not sell the sku in the US or EU? Because there telemetry says they do use docks lol.

No sense in arguing with people with bias. I'm done.

@Gamer83 It won't happen, the telemetry tells us the reality.

People are reading fake news and PR spins and letting them get excited.

This is the DS will not replace the GBA all over again. Even the same PR words used "We are exploring possibilities for the GBA".

They don't want to butcher the little 3DS sales they still have. Give a few months this statement will go away.

3DS/2DS sales are down 38%
3DS/2DS software sales are down 55%

Why would you jeopradize the selling console with the not selling one.

@Crono1973 It's not marketed as a second switch lol.

Why would you market it as a second switch in a country that does not play docked mode?

Stop reading fake news look at facts lol. Just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it true.

Is that also not the same place that had been reported hundreds of times for not being able to read japense? They don't know what they are talking about, they can't even read the marketing lol.

Once again the glaring issue is they say "for a second house that already has a dock" the telemetry tells us they don't use the dock in Japan.

@Gamer83 That was because those games were already way to far into development for the 3DS. That wont happen anymore don't worry.

@Crono1973 it's nothing like selling a SNES with 2 controllers. Your bias is showing....

Japan wants a handheld only system that's what they got. People don't have a place to out a TV in Japan, that's why they want handhelds.

The point of the dockless switch is to be a handheld only system with a slight discount. Nothing more. And you know that, that's why you didn't quote me after you flat out ignored the last post.

A switch mini would be a preferabpe choice. And they thought about that, and they waited for the telemetry. It told them there is a huge market of people that use a switch as only a handheld.

Now we just have to wait for a hardware revision, in the mean time a dockless switch was a easy temporary fix.

@Crono1973 It's a mix of both, however more so the handheld.

If it was about the multi switches with 1 dock, then why not release them in the US? They only released the dockless in Japan where the telemetry is showing 90% of switch use is handheld. Japan doesn't like home consoles they are where the handheld market really shines.

Besides that, why but multiple switches if the intention is not handheld use? You can share the dock at the same time, so 1 switch is all that's need. Saves are on accounts of which you have 8.

The only reason to have 2 switches is if 2 people want to play at the same time, you ain't doing that with 1 dock, unless your playing handheld.

@Crono1973 No it can be connected to a dock. Why would you do that exactly?

You think those people are saying ya, let's buy the dockless switch for 250, then let's buy a dock for another 100 dollars.

Save 50 to spend 100 hmm ya that's a real brainy move.

There will be a Switch mini, there will not be a HDS/New New 3DS ECT. There is no point most people don't like the dual screens, very very few like the 3d even the 3d TV's are no longer a thing.

At best there may be a VRDS, a dedicated VR Console. There is no place in the industry for a 3DS, if there was and there would be another Pokemon wouldn't go to the switch and games wouldn't have stopped for the 3ds.

They did this exact same thing when the DS came out, talks of 3rd pillars, Gameboy replacements ECT. It never happened.

@Crono1973 No Nintendo didn't show us that, they showed us the opposite you just don't want to see it.

Pokemon is a handheld only exclusive, it's now on Switch, both Let's Go and the 2019 game are switch exclusives. That is a replacement for the 3ds, which is not getting either Pokemon game.

3ds games have been being ported over, Nintendo has started selling dockless switches in Japan (handheld only) the writing is on the wall.

To everyone saying the Switch is just a console. Nintendo released the Telemetry, more people play it as a handheld then as a console.

Dont let a love for 3ds blind you to reality. The switch is and always has been a handheld that can connect to a TV.