@eaglebob345 I For the record, your initial comment came across a bit aggressive, but I figured it was more you being lethargic over all the hooplah the passed few months. So I gave you a chance and responded civilly, and was right in my assumption.
Basically, I hope you appreciate that not everyone is a rabid detractor. A lot of the problem when it comes to both sides communicating with each other is that one or the other jumps to conclusions. Ultimately, we often gave similar thoughts on the game. Just some feel more strongly about certain preferences then others.
@eaglebob345 You have to understand the context. Like a snowball effect, Dexit lead to other complaints which lead to even more complaints and so on. It was the straw that broke the camels back. So yes, some are extremely petty. But it got to that point due to generations of cut content and not listening to vocal fans which finally boiled over.
Some technical issues, such as frame rate dipping and objects popping in only a few feet away are inexcusable tho. These are examples of poor optimization and can be fixed with patches. GF has not even addressed the issues let alone announced fixes. Most devs would have by now.
@eaglebob345 I respect that you acknowledge you are ALSO petty lol. Most would call out those commenting without a realizing they too are commenting and therefore just as much to blame. People lack self awareness unfortunately.
@Aeleron0X I've heard from amateur developers and they too are baffled as to its quality. Regardless, difficulty is irrelevant. If another product has proven what is possible, then it is a valid complaint when it is not up to technical standards. The consumer and business relationship is just that: business. If a product does not meet your standard you have every right to critique it. Such is the basis of a free market.
@eaglebob345 Difficulty settings are standard in the industry. Kingdom Hearts is geared toward children yet it still has a hard mode and got a harder mode in a free patch. GF refuses to provide difficulty settings let alone patch the issues.
Having standards is not a bad thing, nor is critique. Demonizing them is just as toxic as any foul mouthed hater. Without critique, products would never see improvement over time.
@johnvboy We do not have enough information to say who actually is fine with the game and who is not. As you imply, the internet represents a minority. The majority of 6+ million players do not let their opinions be known. So we cannot generalize at all, on either side minority or majority.
I know I have seen plenty of people acknowledge the flaws yet still enjoy it. This is fine. But to not only ignore them but also refuse to accept they exist is... well lying, to put it as delicately as I can. And yes, some would rather pivot the conversation then ever acknowledge the issues being presented.
Also, I'm sure you know majority is never an argument for validity or not. The majority of humanity has agreed upon countless things in our history that we today know were incorrect. I doubt I need to gl into detail as to what some of those might be.
@LunarFlame17 Some most definitely are. But the majority of complaints are reasonable, seeing as there are actual examples of better optimized games on the very same hardware. It is not invalid to criticize the frame issues, or the popping in of objects when only a short distance away, as well as a handful of other technical issues since proof exists that this should not be the case. These things are objective issues that are not being addressed. Most developers at this point would be patching the game. But GF has not announced a single one, which implies they do not care.
@johnvboy Everyone knows it is a minority. I fail to see how that is relevant considering it is a matter of validity and not the preference of the majority. These are not mutually exclusive.
Dexit is subjective. However there are objective issues with the game as documented in videos across the internet. The game underperforms on the hardware it was built for, for starters, dipping in frames per second where it should not. In addition, I will go out on a limb here, but having a move called "headbutt" with a kicking animation or a move called "fire punch" with one is a bit too "really?" to not call it a a flaw. Sometimes it just gets so questionable you have to raise an eyebrow.
Context also matters. These games are part of the most lucrative ip in existence. The money they are making is not being poured back into the products (either that or some serious mismanagement). This is an issue, because in a free market society it is expected that revenue intake continuously flows and cycles through the system. Its why you have bonds and shares instead of nickels and dimes. If it isn't, then it is just being pocketed. Where the money is actually going is anyones guess.
Also, yes these articles are clickbait. Not particularly fond of using upset people, no matter how trivial their coveet is, to make a quick buck but that is society unfortunately. If it isn't them upset then it must be irrational, after all.
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Re: Talking Point: Even Dexit Couldn't Derail The Pokémon Hype Train In 2019
@eaglebob345 I
For the record, your initial comment came across a bit aggressive, but I figured it was more you being lethargic over all the hooplah the passed few months. So I gave you a chance and responded civilly, and was right in my assumption.
Basically, I hope you appreciate that not everyone is a rabid detractor. A lot of the problem when it comes to both sides communicating with each other is that one or the other jumps to conclusions. Ultimately, we often gave similar thoughts on the game. Just some feel more strongly about certain preferences then others.
Re: Talking Point: Even Dexit Couldn't Derail The Pokémon Hype Train In 2019
@eaglebob345 You have to understand the context. Like a snowball effect, Dexit lead to other complaints which lead to even more complaints and so on. It was the straw that broke the camels back. So yes, some are extremely petty. But it got to that point due to generations of cut content and not listening to vocal fans which finally boiled over.
Some technical issues, such as frame rate dipping and objects popping in only a few feet away are inexcusable tho. These are examples of poor optimization and can be fixed with patches. GF has not even addressed the issues let alone announced fixes. Most devs would have by now.
Re: Talking Point: Even Dexit Couldn't Derail The Pokémon Hype Train In 2019
@eaglebob345 I respect that you acknowledge you are ALSO petty lol. Most would call out those commenting without a realizing they too are commenting and therefore just as much to blame. People lack self awareness unfortunately.
Re: Talking Point: Even Dexit Couldn't Derail The Pokémon Hype Train In 2019
@Aeleron0X I've heard from amateur developers and they too are baffled as to its quality. Regardless, difficulty is irrelevant. If another product has proven what is possible, then it is a valid complaint when it is not up to technical standards. The consumer and business relationship is just that: business. If a product does not meet your standard you have every right to critique it. Such is the basis of a free market.
Re: Talking Point: Even Dexit Couldn't Derail The Pokémon Hype Train In 2019
@eaglebob345 Difficulty settings are standard in the industry. Kingdom Hearts is geared toward children yet it still has a hard mode and got a harder mode in a free patch. GF refuses to provide difficulty settings let alone patch the issues.
Having standards is not a bad thing, nor is critique. Demonizing them is just as toxic as any foul mouthed hater. Without critique, products would never see improvement over time.
Re: Talking Point: Even Dexit Couldn't Derail The Pokémon Hype Train In 2019
@johnvboy We do not have enough information to say who actually is fine with the game and who is not. As you imply, the internet represents a minority. The majority of 6+ million players do not let their opinions be known. So we cannot generalize at all, on either side minority or majority.
I know I have seen plenty of people acknowledge the flaws yet still enjoy it. This is fine. But to not only ignore them but also refuse to accept they exist is... well lying, to put it as delicately as I can. And yes, some would rather pivot the conversation then ever acknowledge the issues being presented.
Also, I'm sure you know majority is never an argument for validity or not. The majority of humanity has agreed upon countless things in our history that we today know were incorrect. I doubt I need to gl into detail as to what some of those might be.
Re: Talking Point: Even Dexit Couldn't Derail The Pokémon Hype Train In 2019
@LunarFlame17 Some most definitely are. But the majority of complaints are reasonable, seeing as there are actual examples of better optimized games on the very same hardware. It is not invalid to criticize the frame issues, or the popping in of objects when only a short distance away, as well as a handful of other technical issues since proof exists that this should not be the case. These things are objective issues that are not being addressed. Most developers at this point would be patching the game. But GF has not announced a single one, which implies they do not care.
Re: Talking Point: Even Dexit Couldn't Derail The Pokémon Hype Train In 2019
@johnvboy Everyone knows it is a minority. I fail to see how that is relevant considering it is a matter of validity and not the preference of the majority. These are not mutually exclusive.
Dexit is subjective. However there are objective issues with the game as documented in videos across the internet. The game underperforms on the hardware it was built for, for starters, dipping in frames per second where it should not. In addition, I will go out on a limb here, but having a move called "headbutt" with a kicking animation or a move called "fire punch" with one is a bit too "really?" to not call it a a flaw. Sometimes it just gets so questionable you have to raise an eyebrow.
Context also matters. These games are part of the most lucrative ip in existence. The money they are making is not being poured back into the products (either that or some serious mismanagement). This is an issue, because in a free market society it is expected that revenue intake continuously flows and cycles through the system. Its why you have bonds and shares instead of nickels and dimes. If it isn't, then it is just being pocketed. Where the money is actually going is anyones guess.
Also, yes these articles are clickbait. Not particularly fond of using upset people, no matter how trivial their coveet is, to make a quick buck but that is society unfortunately. If it isn't them upset then it must be irrational, after all.