Are you both stupid ? Neither of you fools can refute my points with actual sound logic, and instead, keep on going for the exact same logical fallacies. That I either support piracy or some other equally stupid claim. Or that all those who pirate are "cheapskates". You both keep arguing about cheapskate this or cheapskate that, but you're both ignorant about why people pirate when they'd otherwise support the product in question. I am convinced you both have to have something legitimately wrong with yourselves since you both lack reading comprehension and yet again, keep repeating the exact same nonsensical points that aren't based in economic reality, or any form of reality whatsoever, like robots.
"pfft they all do is hardware and seems worse then what we had on the 360. who gives a monkeys about resolution? and as long the speed is acceptable it's fine being that you can play it anywhere, anytime, if I want to play my PS4 I gotta wait for it boot up, and play when it sits (or reset it else where not so easy) even then it's just for PSVR the only thing that made me switch it on since last october."
So because I criticize Nintendo's idiocy, that means I own a PS4? I don't own one. Nintendo cared up until the Gamecube era about resolution and decent hardware, therefore your argument is moot. They only gave up with that after they burned their 3rd Party bridges, which if they hadn't made such terrible decisions , would've had a lions share of the market. The Wii wouldn't have become so terribly shovelware-prone and the U wouldn't have flopped. The problem with the PS4 is that they ship those things with HDDs instead of a hybrid drive for a boost, if not just a 128 GB SSD for the OS. HDDs can only be so fast, and probably to cut corners, are probably slower than a 5700. That's on them and their poor design. It's common knowledge [or should be] to have the SSD store the OS in order for the device to run faster
Graphics aren't that much of a pull for me as they used to, though I love the idea of a more powerful system where the big developers would play in instead of dumping 3rd tier ports or spinoffs on the system like they've done for almost twenty years. The less expensive system is the regular while the Switch Pro would be for people who want a boost and play titles that demand those graphics.I don't understand why those who [blindly] defend Nintendo ignore all of the standard features missing on the Switch, graphics aside. It's like an abusive relationship where the victim expects the abuser will change their ways and actusally
Aside from that, while I'm not one to use the online features aside from streaming movies or TV, and maybe the occasional browse, it would be fantastic for the Switch to have the competition's features in that regard to make them far less viable. And then pull a one-two punch and make the Switch something that makes the other options look downright laughable. That's what they did through the 8-16 bit era and even with the N64. They had quality and competed head to head.
The problem with Nintendo is they shoot and have shot themselves in the foot several times, burning bridges with Square and other 3rd Party developers, the infamous screwing over of Sony for the spectacular failure that was the Philips CD-I , and how they've let their classic franchises fall to the wayside for no reason like Metroid. Then hardware wise, they chose cartridges when everyone else went to CDS, adopted a small disc for the Gamecube [limiting themselves further], and then crippled themselves to gimmicks in the Wii and Wii U that with poor marketing, left no one able to differentiate between the successor or the Wii. The handheld part is mainly how Gamefreak made games that couldn't natively run at fast speeds, especially with 3D. At least Nintendo hasn't screwed up communication between their local companies like SEGA, where all of them did their own thing and then caused the entire company's hardware division to die.
I can say similar issues with Sony, how they kept dropping the ball on their handhelds for terrible ports, mediocre spinoffs or just a lack of support. Then, they chose a proprietary format , the UMD, that they ditched anyways, while leaving their entire customer base unable to play any of their purchased games, or transfer them digitally to the Go. Which means.... they pretty much went to ripping their games or just piracy. The Vita had memory cards that were overpriced, the systems were okay, but then Sony just didn't care to have any faith in the handhelds to do anything with them or promote the hell out of their products, like what Nintendo does. I don't remember seeing any advertisements for the system. Console-wise, they don't take advantage of having a virtual console-like service for every single game in their massive library from handheld to console, or even support backwards compatibility with games [correct me if I'm wrong.] Imagine if this service allowed people to play PS1-2 games on the PS4, and then you could transfer those saves to the Vita [assuming it is powerful enough to play PS2 games].
I haven't bought a Sony system ever, aside from getting the old PS2 as a gift. I never felt like any of them, aside from the PS2, ever felt worth the money to invest with. That's why I have avoided getting anything Sony, aside from their terrible movies. It's not fair to say that I blindly admire them. I don't have a PS4 and have no interest in getting any Sony console . Since Square Enix has fallen into the rut of not releasing anything. I'm not interested in wasting money on a system that probably won't be used for anything else. That and because of them, I just don't care about their games. There's no point in getting a Switch either since it doesn't interest me in the slightest.
"and don't give that rubbish, if we didn't have to pay for new games, how the heck are the developers going to fund for future gaming?"
You wouldn't download a car, right? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? It seems you didn't read anything I said. Nor can you argue your points since you don't seem to understand why piracy occurs in the first place. Political and economic reasons made Brazil a haven for piracy, while China never had the systems and thus, the market for pirated games and systems to meet the demand.
I'm not arguing that piracy is right. I am simply stating the reasons why piracy is the way it is. One can't honestly believe that out-of-print or obscure games running on emulators or from failed consoles are a threat to the industry, right? Some of the Virtual Console's games came from dumped ROMs, hilariously enough. The issue is that this arguments doesn't accept reality when it is inconvenient to corporation-worshiping ideology. If piracy negatively affected systems as you argued, then the DS ,the PS1, NES, SNES, Gameboys and other very successful systems would've been failures. The fact of the matter is that if it did, then these companies wouldn't exist today, or be like SEGA.
The only way to get rid of piracy is to make the legal options far superior and convenient to the illegal options, which is what other entertainment industries have done successfully. It's not a coincidence that piracy for movies, TV and music has dwindled as these services met these needs in the market. Those who didn't progress, like Blockbuster, vanished. Abusing customers by withholding essential features only will be the death knell of the Switch while encouraging hacking and piracy. When people realize it's just another gimmick, people will drop it.
" all I'm saying is for a site that's meant to support Nintendo it sure loves to do cheap clickbaits with how to hack your console, sure they won't go bust but doesn't make Piracy any better, if more people know how they do it due to being cheapskates."
You're saying the same anti-consumer tripe over and over again. Why can't a consumer do what they want with their own dang property, provided it is not illegal. You seem to forget that the government basically made jailbreaking legal,aside with rooting, which should've been legal in the first place given the customer owns the hardware and the software. Now if the gov't would get to the same page with ripping movies like I can with music, then it would be golden. Then again, illegal and immoral aren't mutually exclusive, though piracy can be both. Reality is complicated that way.
This is the same ignorant argument gun-control fools use to eliminate the second amendment, and others who want to do away with the first [because being offensive with words, as long as its not slander, is apparently equal to anyone beating someone to some idiots. ROFL. ] Just because people have the capacity to commit criminal acts with hacking, doesn't mean that hacking itself is this huge evil. One can use a plastic credit card to break in houses that don't have a bolt lock, or to get into their house they locked themselves out of. One can stab someone with a knife that cuts meat, cakes, pastries, vegetables and fruit [and if you're kosher/halal, would have separate cooking utensils from the the dairy]. One can gouge one's eyes out with a spoon. One can even simply use social engineering, hacking at its most fundamental terms, to hack into other's's accounts and sell them on the dark web. Or you can use those same skills to persuade people to live better lives or be a security adviser to prevent those issues.
Just because something can be used for illegal or immoral purposes doesn't mean that it is bad. It's simply a tool. Nothing more.
@Anti-Matter
"Being a Good Consument = RESPECT the game developers & Video games publisher. It's All about CONTROLING our DESIRE to not be Greedy about All in 1 features. I would rather have a Genuine machine, Still Vanilla, WITHOUT Hacking rather than a Hacked machine that just ONLY for Fulfilling Our DARK DESIRE, Our Selfishness."
Read the above comment because I won't decipher this gibberish.
Why shouldn't the consumer have control over their own property? Not saying dl'ing games [piracy] that can be gotten through legal channels. I mean, having the choice to making their devices have features and other customizations they want like backing up saves, a broswer, backgrounds and so on. I still remember how ludicrous piracy was on the DS.
That argument can be interpreted as an anti-consumer stance, that the consumers have no right over their own property and therefore, have to always be subservient to the private company's interests.
@ClassSonicSatAm
1.They're not one of the last good companies if they lack features the competition has in spades. Do I like everything the competition does? I really don't care either way, but their implementation of standard industry features should've served as a wake up call for Nintendo. And if they want to aim at the hardcore market? Make a premium Switch that's on par with the other two that can play games at a higher resolution and speed, so they can bring the big guns to the systems at last.
2.Everyone has a right to do what they want with their own property. Being anti-consumer in order to whore oneself out to worship an unfeeling corporation is pathetic.
3. Try again. Piracy, according to an EU study, has zero impact on sales.
Are there people who pirate? Piracy existed for Nintendo and every company since the dawn of the industry itself. Yet NONE of that stopped any successes or caused failure. SEGA fell because of its own idiocy, over-saturation of the market and infighting while Sony ruined their portable consoles with a lack of support, terrible hardware decisions [like overpriced storage], or just flat-out giving up on their system. Then Nintendo? The Wii was a gimmick that no one cared about after a year and released a second Wii iteration that made zero efforts in their marketing, thus the U failed. Ironically, piracy has opened up markets in countries where localizations never existed due to either economics, politics, or a mixture of both. Paul Coelho's success as a writer is due to his works also gaining success in regions they were never translated for due to oversight. China's got a built-in market for games because of the longstanding piracy due to a lack of legal access.
Do I condone piracy? Far from it. I have no reason to do it as I have legal options for nearly everything. If I can't buy it, I simply don't read, watch, or what else with it. Plus, I find it cumbersome with something that is affordable. The only exemption is retro games that will never be localized due to their obscurity or anything long out of print. Which of course, eliminates anything that has been released in the last two decades, give or take. Even some old shows I've always wanted to watch got released, eliminating any temptation.
@BlueEyedViper
Same. Then again, why should I as a consumer, have to screw around with a device that based on its competition, has had those features as standard for the last decade? Nintendo is backwards, much like many Japanese companies in this regard, as they haven't caught up with the times. Take their entertainment industry. They love losing the opportunity to make money due to how they strangle their properties, as much as they like crippling American releases of their shows "Because reverse importing", or just being stupid with their licensing in general because they falsely believe their dead franchise will be profitable [Gundam] enough to make it justifiable to price gouge distributors and the end customer.
Actually, I stopped using my 3DS because I played the games I wanted to, and the few I had didn't entice me to play a second time or more.
It's better off to just not buy the poorly made piece of [removed] and hope that others stop doing so once the fad dies out, like with the Wii and then the U. If the end result means Nintendo falls and they become a software company, so be it. I couldn't care less. My problem with tech companies is how they are becoming anti-consumer. I can modify my car and anything else, but comes hell if you dare to customize your own hardware that you bought with your own money with different or better software, or even the hardware itself. Or they cripple their products in one way or another.
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Re: Hackers Have Found A Way To Exploit The Switch, And It's Apparently 'Unpatchable'
@ClassSonicSatAm @Anti-Matter
Are you both stupid ? Neither of you fools can refute my points with actual sound logic, and instead, keep on going for the exact same logical fallacies. That I either support piracy or some other equally stupid claim. Or that all those who pirate are "cheapskates". You both keep arguing about cheapskate this or cheapskate that, but you're both ignorant about why people pirate when they'd otherwise support the product in question. I am convinced you both have to have something legitimately wrong with yourselves since you both lack reading comprehension and yet again, keep repeating the exact same nonsensical points that aren't based in economic reality, or any form of reality whatsoever, like robots.
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Re: Hackers Have Found A Way To Exploit The Switch, And It's Apparently 'Unpatchable'
@ClassSonicSatAm
"pfft they all do is hardware and seems worse then what we had on the 360. who gives a monkeys about resolution? and as long the speed is acceptable it's fine being that you can play it anywhere, anytime, if I want to play my PS4 I gotta wait for it boot up, and play when it sits (or reset it else where not so easy) even then it's just for PSVR the only thing that made me switch it on since last october."
So because I criticize Nintendo's idiocy, that means I own a PS4? I don't own one. Nintendo cared up until the Gamecube era about resolution and decent hardware, therefore your argument is moot. They only gave up with that after they burned their 3rd Party bridges, which if they hadn't made such terrible decisions , would've had a lions share of the market. The Wii wouldn't have become so terribly shovelware-prone and the U wouldn't have flopped. The problem with the PS4 is that they ship those things with HDDs instead of a hybrid drive for a boost, if not just a 128 GB SSD for the OS. HDDs can only be so fast, and probably to cut corners, are probably slower than a 5700. That's on them and their poor design. It's common knowledge [or should be] to have the SSD store the OS in order for the device to run faster
Graphics aren't that much of a pull for me as they used to, though I love the idea of a more powerful system where the big developers would play in instead of dumping 3rd tier ports or spinoffs on the system like they've done for almost twenty years. The less expensive system is the regular while the Switch Pro would be for people who want a boost and play titles that demand those graphics.I don't understand why those who [blindly] defend Nintendo ignore all of the standard features missing on the Switch, graphics aside. It's like an abusive relationship where the victim expects the abuser will change their ways and actusally
Aside from that, while I'm not one to use the online features aside from streaming movies or TV, and maybe the occasional browse, it would be fantastic for the Switch to have the competition's features in that regard to make them far less viable. And then pull a one-two punch and make the Switch something that makes the other options look downright laughable. That's what they did through the 8-16 bit era and even with the N64. They had quality and competed head to head.
The problem with Nintendo is they shoot and have shot themselves in the foot several times, burning bridges with Square and other 3rd Party developers, the infamous screwing over of Sony for the spectacular failure that was the Philips CD-I , and how they've let their classic franchises fall to the wayside for no reason like Metroid. Then hardware wise, they chose cartridges when everyone else went to CDS, adopted a small disc for the Gamecube [limiting themselves further], and then crippled themselves to gimmicks in the Wii and Wii U that with poor marketing, left no one able to differentiate between the successor or the Wii. The handheld part is mainly how Gamefreak made games that couldn't natively run at fast speeds, especially with 3D. At least Nintendo hasn't screwed up communication between their local companies like SEGA, where all of them did their own thing and then caused the entire company's hardware division to die.
I can say similar issues with Sony, how they kept dropping the ball on their handhelds for terrible ports, mediocre spinoffs or just a lack of support. Then, they chose a proprietary format , the UMD, that they ditched anyways, while leaving their entire customer base unable to play any of their purchased games, or transfer them digitally to the Go. Which means.... they pretty much went to ripping their games or just piracy. The Vita had memory cards that were overpriced, the systems were okay, but then Sony just didn't care to have any faith in the handhelds to do anything with them or promote the hell out of their products, like what Nintendo does. I don't remember seeing any advertisements for the system. Console-wise, they don't take advantage of having a virtual console-like service for every single game in their massive library from handheld to console, or even support backwards compatibility with games [correct me if I'm wrong.] Imagine if this service allowed people to play PS1-2 games on the PS4, and then you could transfer those saves to the Vita [assuming it is powerful enough to play PS2 games].
I haven't bought a Sony system ever, aside from getting the old PS2 as a gift. I never felt like any of them, aside from the PS2, ever felt worth the money to invest with. That's why I have avoided getting anything Sony, aside from their terrible movies. It's not fair to say that I blindly admire them. I don't have a PS4 and have no interest in getting any Sony console . Since Square Enix has fallen into the rut of not releasing anything. I'm not interested in wasting money on a system that probably won't be used for anything else. That and because of them, I just don't care about their games. There's no point in getting a Switch either since it doesn't interest me in the slightest.
"and don't give that rubbish, if we didn't have to pay for new games, how the heck are the developers going to fund for future gaming?"
You wouldn't download a car, right? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? It seems you didn't read anything I said. Nor can you argue your points since you don't seem to understand why piracy occurs in the first place. Political and economic reasons made Brazil a haven for piracy, while China never had the systems and thus, the market for pirated games and systems to meet the demand.
I'm not arguing that piracy is right. I am simply stating the reasons why piracy is the way it is. One can't honestly believe that out-of-print or obscure games running on emulators or from failed consoles are a threat to the industry, right? Some of the Virtual Console's games came from dumped ROMs, hilariously enough. The issue is that this arguments doesn't accept reality when it is inconvenient to corporation-worshiping ideology. If piracy negatively affected systems as you argued, then the DS ,the PS1, NES, SNES, Gameboys and other very successful systems would've been failures. The fact of the matter is that if it did, then these companies wouldn't exist today, or be like SEGA.
The only way to get rid of piracy is to make the legal options far superior and convenient to the illegal options, which is what other entertainment industries have done successfully. It's not a coincidence that piracy for movies, TV and music has dwindled as these services met these needs in the market. Those who didn't progress, like Blockbuster, vanished. Abusing customers by withholding essential features only will be the death knell of the Switch while encouraging hacking and piracy. When people realize it's just another gimmick, people will drop it.
" all I'm saying is for a site that's meant to support Nintendo it sure loves to do cheap clickbaits with how to hack your console, sure they won't go bust but doesn't make Piracy any better, if more people know how they do it due to being cheapskates."
You're saying the same anti-consumer tripe over and over again. Why can't a consumer do what they want with their own dang property, provided it is not illegal. You seem to forget that the government basically made jailbreaking legal,aside with rooting, which should've been legal in the first place given the customer owns the hardware and the software. Now if the gov't would get to the same page with ripping movies like I can with music, then it would be golden. Then again, illegal and immoral aren't mutually exclusive, though piracy can be both. Reality is complicated that way.
This is the same ignorant argument gun-control fools use to eliminate the second amendment, and others who want to do away with the first [because being offensive with words, as long as its not slander, is apparently equal to anyone beating someone to some idiots. ROFL. ] Just because people have the capacity to commit criminal acts with hacking, doesn't mean that hacking itself is this huge evil. One can use a plastic credit card to break in houses that don't have a bolt lock, or to get into their house they locked themselves out of. One can stab someone with a knife that cuts meat, cakes, pastries, vegetables and fruit [and if you're kosher/halal, would have separate cooking utensils from the the dairy]. One can gouge one's eyes out with a spoon. One can even simply use social engineering, hacking at its most fundamental terms, to hack into other's's accounts and sell them on the dark web. Or you can use those same skills to persuade people to live better lives or be a security adviser to prevent those issues.
Just because something can be used for illegal or immoral purposes doesn't mean that it is bad. It's simply a tool. Nothing more.
@Anti-Matter
"Being a Good Consument = RESPECT the game developers & Video games publisher.
It's All about CONTROLING our DESIRE to not be Greedy about All in 1 features.
I would rather have a Genuine machine, Still Vanilla, WITHOUT Hacking rather than a Hacked machine that just ONLY for Fulfilling Our DARK DESIRE, Our Selfishness."
Read the above comment because I won't decipher this gibberish.
Re: Hackers Have Found A Way To Exploit The Switch, And It's Apparently 'Unpatchable'
@Rika_Yoshitake
Why shouldn't the consumer have control over their own property? Not saying dl'ing games [piracy] that can be gotten through legal channels. I mean, having the choice to making their devices have features and other customizations they want like backing up saves, a broswer, backgrounds and so on. I still remember how ludicrous piracy was on the DS.
That argument can be interpreted as an anti-consumer stance, that the consumers have no right over their own property and therefore, have to always be subservient to the private company's interests.
@ClassSonicSatAm
1.They're not one of the last good companies if they lack features the competition has in spades. Do I like everything the competition does? I really don't care either way, but their implementation of standard industry features should've served as a wake up call for Nintendo. And if they want to aim at the hardcore market? Make a premium Switch that's on par with the other two that can play games at a higher resolution and speed, so they can bring the big guns to the systems at last.
2.Everyone has a right to do what they want with their own property. Being anti-consumer in order to whore oneself out to worship an unfeeling corporation is pathetic.
3. Try again. Piracy, according to an EU study, has zero impact on sales.
https://gizmodo.com/the-eu-suppressed-a-300-page-study-that-found-piracy-do-1818629537
Are there people who pirate? Piracy existed for Nintendo and every company since the dawn of the industry itself. Yet NONE of that stopped any successes or caused failure. SEGA fell because of its own idiocy, over-saturation of the market and infighting while Sony ruined their portable consoles with a lack of support, terrible hardware decisions [like overpriced storage], or just flat-out giving up on their system. Then Nintendo? The Wii was a gimmick that no one cared about after a year and released a second Wii iteration that made zero efforts in their marketing, thus the U failed. Ironically, piracy has opened up markets in countries where localizations never existed due to either economics, politics, or a mixture of both. Paul Coelho's success as a writer is due to his works also gaining success in regions they were never translated for due to oversight. China's got a built-in market for games because of the longstanding piracy due to a lack of legal access.
Do I condone piracy? Far from it. I have no reason to do it as I have legal options for nearly everything. If I can't buy it, I simply don't read, watch, or what else with it. Plus, I find it cumbersome with something that is affordable. The only exemption is retro games that will never be localized due to their obscurity or anything long out of print. Which of course, eliminates anything that has been released in the last two decades, give or take. Even some old shows I've always wanted to watch got released, eliminating any temptation.
@BlueEyedViper
Same. Then again, why should I as a consumer, have to screw around with a device that based on its competition, has had those features as standard for the last decade? Nintendo is backwards, much like many Japanese companies in this regard, as they haven't caught up with the times. Take their entertainment industry. They love losing the opportunity to make money due to how they strangle their properties, as much as they like crippling American releases of their shows "Because reverse importing", or just being stupid with their licensing in general because they falsely believe their dead franchise will be profitable [Gundam] enough to make it justifiable to price gouge distributors and the end customer.
Actually, I stopped using my 3DS because I played the games I wanted to, and the few I had didn't entice me to play a second time or more.
It's better off to just not buy the poorly made piece of [removed] and hope that others stop doing so once the fad dies out, like with the Wii and then the U. If the end result means Nintendo falls and they become a software company, so be it. I couldn't care less. My problem with tech companies is how they are becoming anti-consumer. I can modify my car and anything else, but comes hell if you dare to customize your own hardware that you bought with your own money with different or better software, or even the hardware itself. Or they cripple their products in one way or another.