Hacker Katherine Temkin and the hacking group ReSwitched have been in pursuit of the 'Holy Grail' of Nintendo Switch exploits ever since its launch, and a recent post by the team suggests it may have found the next best thing. According to a detailed report, the exploit in question - known as the Fusée Gelée coldboot vulnerability - uses the Tegra X1's USB recovery mode, which bypasses the lock-out operations that would usually protect the chip's crucial bootROM.
Such an exploit would enable a hacker to run all manner of arbitrary codes (including emulators) and manipulate the console's root code, but the bigger issue is that it's potentially something Nintendo wouldn't be able to patch remotely. Right now the hack is only in a 'proof of concept' state, but Temkin has previously stated that both Nvidia and Nintendo have been contacted in regards to its existence. It's also far from the first time we've seen a hacking group 'break' the console's code, and is unlikely to be the last.
What do you make of this new hack exploit? Does manipulating your console appeal to you, or is it the kind of thing best left alone? Share your thoughts with us below...
If people want to do it there is no stopping it.
I personally will not hack my consoles in any way. In the past I used cart for the DS but now I will strictly purchase any game that I want to own ... if it is physical ofc
Comment section in hacking articles are always my favorite. This one is gonna be record breaker I can feel it lol!
I've got no interest in hacking systems anymore, did it when I was a kid back in the ps1/2 days but have no desire to now.
It would be cool to get Dolphin or other emulators running on the Switch but personally I don't care enough to buy another Switch to try it and I'm certainly not going to start messing around with my current system that has $100's worth of games on it.
@Spectra Thing is they didn't break the Switch itself but rather the Tegra chip itself. In order to fix this they would need to take all the current Switches back, so what they'll rather do is ensure future consoles produced can't be broken in that way.
I would not even attempt this. I hacked my Xbox 360 back in the day and for a year it was fine, but one fine day I went to play some Halo 4 and my Xbox Live account was banned.
Unless you have two Switches, then go wild.
I have less than 0 sympathy for Nintendo if they lose money due to this. I wouldn't consider messing with my system if I didn't have to in order to get simple features that Nintendo themselves can't be bothered to give us.
Their system OS is frankly a joke compared to the PS4 and XB1 and there is no excuse. The system has been out for over a year and their primary concern in that time OS wise has been trying to lock it down against hacks.
You won't beat the hackers so perhaps focus on delivering a system that actually delivers all the features that 99% of your customers want.
Why is film/tv/music piracy massively on the decline? Because of spotify, netflix etc. Not because of **** DRM. Same with jailbreaking and iOS. People did these to plug gaps in the OS but now they manufacturers and apps have plugged so many of these holes its barely worth it. Make your console ecosystem so good that people won't have any really good reason beyond stealing games to mod their system.
I've always enjoyed games much less when when they were on a hacked console (DS and Wii in my case).
Couldn't be bothered to finish any game if I was stuck and never took the time to properly enjoy playing.
Plus I'm not a student anymore so I can afford a few games each month
The lesson to take away is this: If you're going to pirate, don't bother trying to justify it. Nobody cares why you do it or what moral high ground you can mentally gymnastic yourself into, just do it, you rebel, you.
"I just want to hack my switch to have back up saves"
NO, stop lying you just want to pirate games for free because you're a scumlord. Noone is buying your lil theatrics.
This article gives me deja vu from like a week or 2 ago. Though I did also just read about this on /. yesterday so I suppose it's related to that.
Who will win? An unpatchable exploit or an unstoppable force, churning out stability updates every week?
I guess I’m trying to understand the logic. People are hacking their console to play game a without paying for them? It’s stealing. Get a job and support the people working hours and hours to make content for you to enjoy!
@mctrials23 This is a ridiculous comment. You clearly have no experience whatsoever in any sort of software engineering. You do realize, that locking down a system and resolving security exploits is not simply to prevent piracy, right? We're talking system updates here, not "DRM" on software titles. Why would anyone expect (Or want) anything else from Nintendo? Of course they should attempt to protect their system. Malicious hackers exist as well, not just the home brew community.
That said, I'm excited to see the progress the home brew community makes. I'll hold off for quite some time, as I've got plenty of new games to keep me busy, and would like to see the home brew scene stabilize a bit before risking my system.
@Rika_Yoshitake I'd be lying if I said it was strictly to "Back up saves" but lets not pretend everyone is seeking to do damage to Nintendo (Or other companies) by pirating their software. As someone who has a game room littered with just about every console since 1980, hundreds of physical cartridges, 45+ Switch games... I think I've spent more and support the video games industry more than the rest of my neighborhood combined. So let's not compare me wanting home brew apps or playing SMB3 via emulator (Which I've bought at least 5 times and would buy again when released) to someone looking for an easy way to pirate newly released retail games. If you're against any and all emulation from a morality perspective, I can understand that (But disagree), but it's simply not comparable to people trying to pirate new games for free.
Great to know. In a few years when I want a new Switch, I'm going to be all about this. Until then, I will just wait.
@Spectra I read an article that basically said that the exploit was known on the Tegra and that hackers have basically been targeting that from the beginning. Nintendo were probably trying to save money by putting in the basic chip rather than a modified version of it without the flaw, either that or someone really didn’t do their homework on that chip before hand. Nintendo will basically have to change the chip out in new switches with a modified chip to stop this. Anyone with an old switch will eventually have a more valuable system due to this ability
Firstly, I want to say that piracy has not been shown to substantially affect sales. It's a common myth but there's an EU study that has shown otherwise.
Secondly, this is actually positive news for Nintendo. The Switch is basically a tablet with a Tegra X1 chip. This is going to be a dream gaming device for people once the floodgate of software is opened. Demand for the Switch will be sky high by next year once hacking becomes mature.
And apparently, all it takes is to bend a couple of connector pins on your Joy-Con R. That triggers the system's recovery mode.
I can understand hacking for features that Nintendo should have added by now, such as save file back-ups and the like, but yeah this sort of thing will also just lead to piracy and cheaters and all that and I really wish hackers would just stop already, but they never will because they don't care if companies lose money or if other people's fun is ruined when cheaters join online games. I hope these hackers will at least be punished one way or another, regardless of the 'good' things that will also come with this, because IMO, the good does not outweigh the bad with these things.
My heart always sinks when I hear people talking 'I have modded my [insert gaming system] here and have downloaded tons of games for it', and always just want to say stuff about it, but it won't get them to stop it anyway because it's so easy to do and much cheaper than buying the games and all. Ugh.
Why did you buy a switch if you think all them things, doesn't make sense to me!
@JoeyJoeJoe So your excuse to piracy is "I'm not successful" If that's it... you have bigger issues going on with your life than just being a pirate. If you weren't so busy trying to get free games and actually tackled the problems in front of you, maybe you too would be successful.
Nope, I watch Netflix, Amazon, Hulu and CBS All Access on consoles. Why do I need to buy a Roku device or a smart TV when most consoles have those apps?
@JoeyJoeJoe Try actually reading my post and point to anywhere that even remotely indicated that's what I meant. Spoiler alert - you won't find it. What I did say, is that I always have (Since the 80s) and will continue to spend my money supporting the video game industry. I even cited my current number of Switch titles - none of which were pre-owned.
There's also more to the video game industry than developers and publishers. So while the dev/publisher may not benefit, there are certainly other retail stores and economic benefit to be had by purchasing pre-owned. Again, your response was completely irrelevant to my original post, and yet you still managed to be incorrect. Congrats.
I am a software developer and you've managed to completely misinterpret my post. I gave examples of other industries that have dealt with piracy and theft of content by removing the incentive to do so by providing a great alternative to piracy. What is the reason for hacking consoles for the average consumer? Piracy or adding features that are missing and really important. I know that companies are constantly patching potential and known exploits on their system but why haven't Nintendo focussed on adding functionality as well as security?
Their system updates have been almost entirely "stability" related and added very little that people actually care about. Where are cloud saves? Where is a passable online play or friends system?
They are a huge company with vast resources and they have their priorities misplaced.
@JoeyJoeJoe Oh I don't care even a little about having Netflix etc on my Switch. I was just using that as an example of why people don't bother pirating films etc as much anymore. I wouldn't consider any exploit on my switch if Nintendo pulled their finger out and give me an easy way to protect my game saves. As it stands however, if my switch dies I lose god knows how many hours of Mario, Zelda etc.
Its not a hard problem for Nintendo. I'm almost certain they have a system ready. They are just dragging their heels, probably so they can release it with the "online" update later this year.
Guys, keep calm down.
Let's have some Green Tea to cooling down your mind.
And keep ignoring All Piracy things.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm fine if they're doing this for home-brew or to do things the system doesn't currently allow. I'm not fine at all if this is used for piracy. I have zero respect for anyone who pirates a game, and if you are one of them, maybe you should actually pay for the game that a dev spent years working on.
@dew12333 I bought it because its a great gaming system and has a huge amount going for it. You don't have to ignore the huge flaws in something to appreciate what it does well. I just don't think Nintendo should get a free pass on criticism when they don't give us basic functionality like save backups.
Grab some Popcorn.
It will be a lot of Arguments.
Well, at least it's decent that they reached out to/informed both Nvidia and Nintendo about this and didn't just go about their business behind their backs.
Seems to me that these specific pirates really aren't all that dirty. They're of the "white hacker" kind, the same ones hired by banks and government departments to find and report vulnerabilities.
@mctrials23 To that, I'll apologize if I truly did misinterpret what you were implying. However, to think that they are not also working on new features would be a little short-sighted, in my opinion. I highly doubt it's the same folks working on new features (Such as online infrastructure/VC replacement) that is addressing security vulnerabilities. As we've both mentioned, there are plenty of other reasons to address those vulnerabilities outside of just preventing piracy. I'm just not sure how you would make the leap from not getting certain features you would like, to not caring if Nintendo loses money due to exploits.
@mctrials23 yeah I mean if the switch had Netflix, Spotify etc etc I am them hackers wouldn't bother trying to hack the switch.
Which planet are you living on?
Oh and the current sales numbers for switch pretty much shows people are very much less concerned about the multi media capabilities of the OS.
@mctrials23 Their system updates have been almost entirely "stability" related and added very little that people actually care about. Where are cloud saves? Where is a passable online play or friends system?
@kobashi100 I never said that. Its a simple example of how other industries who struggled with piracy found a solution. Ask any Switch owner if they want to be able to back up their saves though...
Everyone prepping for arguments but nothing is happening.
I am just concerned about people stealing games and emulating them.
That ASCII art makes me wish there were roguelikes on the switch. Hopefully I'll see Hack or similar make its way to homebrew.
How many times did they say it was "unpatchable"? Are the previous exploits still unpatchable or were they patched regardless?
They break the console and then contact Nintendo about it? Well, I guess that's nice of them. Maybe Nintendo should hire a team of hackers for testing purposes (not sure if the "hat" terminology applies to console hackers).
Big ole "meh". I have too many games to play and more to buy to care about this.
I have always felt that on the surface, if I buy something, it is mine to do whatever I want to. If I buy a new Mustang I can modify it however I want, but I still have to follow all traffic laws while using it. Same with a game console, I should be able to do whatever I want with it, so long as I am not breaking any laws such as stealing copy-written material, or cheating online.
There is some concern here, because with a game console it can potentially allow the piracy of games. I don't want to say people will do it anyway - so don't bother fighting it - because people make that sort of argument about another, much more politically sensitive issue in America... but on this issue, hacking is going to happen. It just is.
Overall, I don't mind hacking. I don't mind homebrewed software or other customization. But piracy is a problem. So is potential cheating in online games. I can never support that.
And I do think it is completely fair for Nintendo to void the warranty on any hacked system so long as they clearly state that hacking a system will do that. It is also fair for Nintendo or any game company, to take action to protect their intellectual property rights.
It is a very difficult topic.
@roadrunner343 OK, thats probably a little harsh to say I don't care if Nintendo are the victim of piracy because they are not delivering must have features but the system has been out for over a year now. There is not a chance in hell they are struggling with developing a cloud save system. There are some things that I'm just astounded are not available yet and that is a big one.
They are sitting on it to launch it with their paid for online system they launch later this year. I have no issue with a company protecting their profit generation but cloud saves should have been day 1 not a year and a half after launch.
I’m just adding my comment to the comments section for the likes
@JoeyJoeJoe Just because someone "justifies" it, doesn't make it right. If someone downloads a game to play without paying for it, that is stealing. I couldn't think of a way someone could "justify" stealing a video game (if that is, in fact, what we are talking about). I understand someone trying to justify stealing food to feed their family, but even that is stealing, and is wrong... and no one NEEDS to play a video game, haha, whereas food is essential for life. I'm not pointing fingers at you though, just to be clear, hah. I just don't like the idea of freeloading. People just need to get a job and pay their way.
Nintendo will come with Patch 6.0.0. or more & they (the hackers) will be Silenced. 😀
@mctrials23 That, I can fully agree with! Absolutely ridiculous that there's not save backup. I'm even easier to please than you - cloud save should be there, but I wouldn't even be that upset if they would just let us back them up to a PC or the SD card.
@roadrunner343 I think we would all be happy with that too but allowing people access to their game save data would almost certainly lead to save data manipulation. I don't have a problem with not having direct access to my saves but for them to be this fragile is not good.
The hack is done by holding down the volume up button and connecting 2 pins inside the right joy-con with a tweezer. One of the weirdest console hack in recent history.
The bootrom can only be reset in the factory, that's why it cannot be patched. If you send in your Switch for repair, Nintendo will put in a new bootrom that cannot be hacked. And starting this month, new Switch freshly baked in the factory will have a new bootrom.
@kobashi100 Hackers will continue to hack, but the more services Switch offers by default the less incentive an average consumer will have to hack.
Case in point: PSX and PS2 was hacked to hell and back, especially in Eastern Europe, because games were too expensive for an average user in those economies. Now that incomes have risen and online services one could lose access to with a bootleg system in current generation means that PS4s are less likely to be hacked in an average home.
I’ll just continue to use it as was intended, thank very much.
Some people have faaaaaar too much time on their hands.
I played around with the R4 cart or whatever it was called for the DS and it was fun for a time, and when my whole DS Lite was lost by a family member with the cart inside, I accepted it as karma and decided never to hack or pirate games again. To each his or her own, but my mentality is I earn money and I respect creative arts so I have no problem paying to play. Same reason I would rather pay for Funimation or Crunchyroll than go to some ad- and malware-riddled site to see anime shows for free.
@Anti-Matter If it's hardware based, then they wouldn't be able to patch it with a system update. They would just do a quiet hardware refresh after they fix the vulnerability.
It's hackers like Katherine who expose vulnerabilities and then report it to the right people so the next iteration of the hardware will be more secure.
I am all for this type of hacking if it makes the system I love more secure and if they don't release the method they used to do said hacking.
Do what you want cause a pirate is free.
You are a pirate.
Of course I'm not a complete idiot, I realise that hacking =/= piracy
Stock up on some Switch now, a few months from now you can double your money by selling them on Ebay. Buying Switch now is a better investment than Bitcoin. Trust me.
switch is region free. So they don't need to mod it to play games from other countries. So the only hack they can do will be bad for the system. Some hackers have sold snes mini with all the games installed which is a major loss for nintendo.
That's not how I remember what green tea is supposed to look like.
It must be radioactive.
Maybe this exploit is the reason we’ve seen rumors of a Switch with a modified Tegra chip. Likely not an “Switch Pro” but a way for them to stop this on future consoles? Idk.
Sure. Most people hack their systems to be able to run emulators and custom programs. They can run dumped games that they "own". Okay. But not all have the same morals. The only thing I hate about these "hackings" is that majority of users hack their consoles with the pretense of using it legally and not for piracy. Unfortunately, that is not the case most of the time, no matter how people defend hacking. So the argument that hacking one's console is legal and it's perfectly ok to do it, yes, you're right! But that argument IMHO holds no weight when one starts to use it for illegal purposes. Who knows, the people defending hacking here in the comments arguing the it's perfectly fine and legal might just be the actual pirates! The people hacking in good faith won't win any arguments here. But the people who hack for the sake of playing dumped games they don't even own will never have a valid argument. It's like you're giving average consumers free passes to free games.
At the end of the day we can't do anything about it. It's just the way it is. But defending it won't change the fact it will be used mostly for piracy and everybody knows it.
Don't know how you figure that. They've bought the SNES mini from Nintendo, Nintendo aren't losing anything.
@10-zx Fallout 4 confirmed for the Switch?!
Nintendo should finally stop being so afraid and at least make the browaer available in the menu.
Not only id it proven that hiding the browser doesn't prevent hacks, the whole idea of preventing hacks is just ridiculous. You simply can't prevent it, period.
I don't see why people get their jollies out of hacking things like this, just play games and leave it alone ... You really wanna hack something? Then hack into the White House lol
@Nookingtons you need a usb cable connected from your Switch to your PC. This is a tethered hack, which is not user friendly and definitely not for the masses. Only a mod chip will make this hack usable.
@mctrials23 I'm sure you're correct that most Switch owners would answer in the affirmative if asked if they would like game save backups. I also think that has almost nothing to do with what is motivating hackers to root the Switch, nor would it be the main motivation for people wanting to use the exploit. My guess is that the first, and most popular by far, use of the exploit will be running additional games on the Switch, either via emulators to run non-Switch games, or running pirated Switch games.
I do get your larger argument. I used to jailbreak my iOS devices for years, to get access to features Apple didn't provide. I never pirated games, but instead used jailbreak to get features like app folders, Do Not Disturb, gestures for app switching, multi-tasking, customizable home screens, etc, years before Apple rolled those features out. Just as you said, once Apple added enough of those features into iOS I no longer felt motivated to jailbreak my iOS devices. I point this out to show you that I do get your point.
However I don't think the situations are completely analogous, for a few reasons.
1. Prices of iOS apps and games are much cheaper than typical Switch games, so I think piracy will be much more of a motivation for Switch than for iOS.
2. iPhones/iPads are much more general purpose devices than game consoles, so there is much more demand for additional OS features beyond running games compared to consoles. Early iOS versions had dozens of obviously desirable features missing, whereas with my Switch, I can only think of a couple of features I personally wish for: game save backups, and folders to organize my games. Of those two, only save backups would remotely tempt me to try an exploit. In short, I just don't think there are nearly as many reasons aside from running unauthorized software to jailbreak a Switch compared to an iOS device.
The two main things I'm interested in are emulators, and extracting game title keys, so I can decrypt games, and datamine them for getting their soundtrack, and finding unused content to add to The Cutting Room Floor!
And to cut to the chase: I don't want free games, I personally believe you should pay the asking price for work people put loads of effort into.
So the common belief that hacking is only used for piracy is not only accusatory, but factually incorrect.
I'm more interested in the state of emulators for the Switch, i'm hoping it can run PSP and PS1 games.
Because of this recent hack, it is now possible to install Linux on Switch: that means Dolphin emulator is now possible on Switch. Even the dev of Dolphin hinted at it's release:
@NintyNate 'Hacking' a building and rumning code on a computer are completely different processes. The ony thing they have in common is the same word being used for describing them.
The term 'hacking' is very context-sensitive, you can also hack human beings without the use of electronics, simply by talking to them.
Hacking a device like the Switch can have multiple reasons, not just fun or competition. The first reason is: because it's possible. Other intentions can be: allowing users to run other software/games on it. Helping Nintendo prevent hacks by showing then the exploits.
Yay!!! Cool. Read about this last night.
But as usual. I'll wait until the system is dead and moved onto the next Nintendo system, in about 6 or so years. Nintendo better get a new updated Switch out fast.
@bilboa Yep, 100% I jailbroke my previous iPhone models (stopped at 6 Plus), just to be able to theme it. Also loved the tweak where it makes my iPhone like the App layout UI of the Apple Watch, Aeternum.
Nice! Don't think I'll try it out without a second switch unless it's completely safe, though.
I love the thought process of many: "I don't care about this feature so nobody should".
The Switch OS is quite pitiful now, it doesn't even have some features the psp had on launch, like music and video playback. And access to save files.
I've hacked most of my consoles over time, but it has mainly been to have backups of all my physical games first and foremost. Why would I keep using the disc from one of my most treasured games when there's the option to avoid wear and tear, without having to buy the same game again digitally?
I hacked my PS3 recently to download some DLC that had been removed from the store. Of course back in the Wii and DS days I did try a few games for free to see if they actually appealed to me. If they didn't I deleted them, but if I did like them I bought them.
You could also argue NLife has also been hacked, judging by the major increase in hack writers on the site, from following the steady flow of low quality news articles today. Like this article for instance...
Still waiting on the low quality soft modding a switch video...
Blah, Blah, Blah. I spent way too much money on games and consoles to even care if I am pirating or not. It is fun. Let's just hope Gamecube roms will come to it because if we wait for Nintendo to give us games we want we will be waiting for our first social security checks.
Jeez, the Nintendo Life community can be really toxic sometimes. If you mention hacking here, the reaction will always be "YOU BLOODY SCUMBAG PIRATES, HOW DARE YOU, YOU JUST WANT TO PLAY THE GAME FREE ON AN EMULATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!" Can't people try to be a bit more open-minded and understand why people are doing this?
@Rika_Yoshitake But... I do want to backup saves. It's beyond high time Nintendo gave us that.
@mctrials23 Afaik this and the other 'hacks' have little to nothing at all to do with Nintendo's OS (which some of the people involved actually lauded as a good effort by Nintendo), but rather with vulnerabilities of either the Nvidia Tegra architecture at its core or - at worst if you will - Nintendo's low-level system design. The OS itself is not the issue.
You are also committing kind of the original sin of this kind of argument, when you simply choose to mix up piracy and hacking. Yes, I agree the best way to forgo piracy is to offer affordable and convenient access to the product in question to cusomters. That lesson was taught to the music industry, and by extenstion to the whole entertainment industry, way back when formats like mp3 and platforms like Napster ran amok for a good while. This has nothing to do with hacking though. As long as there are people who enjoy taking new systems and gadgets apart and finding vulnerabilities in their architecture we will have hacking. Also, it is very noteworthy that many companies pay very good money for hints about vulernabilities in their system, plus - for stuff like phones - there is also obviously a huge blackmarket out there, where such information can be sold for a pretty penny. In other words, the issue with the Switch is not that the e-shop sucks (for instance), and that because of that, the system is drawing in the attention of hackers. The issue is that the Switch is a new and popular system, a system that promised to build up the reputation of anyone in the scene who managed to crack it wide open - so it's about the same as any other videogame system out there for the last, well, almost two decades all in all.
I salivate for all the stability looming on the horizon.
Maybe Nintendo can add in portible saves, browser and virtual console in one of those updates alongside that glorious stability, since if they don't Homebrew certainly will.
@Spectra: There are many things that are unpatchable because of how the hardware works or how integral the issue is to the running of the code. There's an item duolication glitch in "Breath of the Wild" that's been known for 8 months or so, in fact, it was the firdt ever item duplication glitch found for the game, but it cannot be patched out because it relies on the same thing the game relies on to keeö the game running if there's a memory overflow.
Hackers are so dull. Piracy harms game development. They could spend their time dying something useful but they don't.
@Ralek85 You are correct that in this case the exploit is to do with the hardware architecture and if the "hackers" are correct its un-patchable. Nintendo have released very little in the way of functionality improvements to their OS and updates have consistently been dealing with locking down the OS from a security standpoint.
Piracy and hacking tend to go hand in hand I'm afraid. You are right in saying that the drive to hack is quite often not driven by malicious intent but the desire to test yourself and get more from a product however the people that use the hacks are rarely doing it for benign reasons. If you look at all of the "hacking" that anonymous and their ILK were on the news for in the last few years, people were being called hackers for clicking a mouse a few times. They simply utilised the tools others had developed to accomplish their goals. Its the same with Piracy. Just because you open up a system because you enjoy the challenge doesn't mean that piracy won't piggyback off that massively.
@G-Boy It's also a bit humorous to me, because if I truly were only interested in stealing games, I'd use one of the other 487 systems I own that can be used far more easily for piracy. You know... like all the PC's/cell phones littering my house. Not to mention all the other old portable systems that are far more hackable.
@shaneoh I meant the snes mni's that are on ebay with 300 plus games installed. Nintendo are losing out on e shop sales and other things thanks to that
@mctrials23 I do not deny that one precedes the other, but still, they are not the same and thus not interchangeable terms.
Anything beyond that would necessiate a philosophical deep-dive I take it you subscribe to some version of ethic of conviction. In which case, your overall point is well taken of course (although I'd still contend, that hacking cannot be stopped, no matter how good the OS/store/price of your product or whatever). It's worth keeping in mind though, that one could just as well subscribe to an ethic of conviction, and thus end up with a vastly different conclusion, which could be that if there is no ill intent, and possibly even a legitimate benefit (unearthing weaknesses that could put users at risk of all kinds of malfeasance), plus a sportsman-like challenge at play, 'hacking' is legimate way to pass ones' time.
@Dethmunk I agree completely. This is why I gave up on all televised media outlets as well. I'm just so sick of CNN & Fox promoting murder, rape, and terror attacks on a daily basis. Outrageous.
There was no stopping it, only a matter of time. Nintendo also makes it worse by price fixing all their first party games while i don't condone piracy it certainly does encourage it.
Nearly every comment section on articles like this in a nutshell:
To summarize my usual opinion: Hacking/homebrew for self-experimentation = fine. Piracy/cheating = bad.
@cfgk24 You jumped straight from hacker to piracy, what gives?
@mctrials23 I see you point as far as what you feel Nintendo should be focused on but feeling no sympathy for a company, that I am going to assume makes game you enjoy, loosing money is a bit naïve as to the future of that company.
If they don't make games you enjoy, well, that says it all.
Radioactive Tea for Smash confurm'd.
@Dethmunk I don't blame them on reporting on it, if you get on youtube this story is all over the net right now, so they are just reporting as everyone else is. Those that want to find out about these hacks are going to find out whether it's published on this site or not.
In light of this news, me and my buddy finally took the plunge and picked a couple up, to stay ahead of what I predict will be a run on the original models in the coming weeks.
In the meantime they're just really fancy paperweights, but I think the investment will be more than worth it by the end of the summer.
Dolphin on a portable. I can't wait!
@bones You make a good point I totally moded my NES mini and my SNES mini. Do I own all the games I put on the minis? For the most part, yep and if I did not I did at one point. I have done it to my DS and 3DS, PSP, Xbox, Macbook, Galaxy Tab, Kindle Fire..... I could go on. I think the fun in it is putting it in another format. If companies would make it available I would quadruple dip for sure.
@Dethmunk If Forbes reported on something Nintendo related, and NL deliberately skipped reporting it, that would be beyond pathetic.
Nintendo has never been the best regarding console features but Switch is so limited that it's a bit of a joke: no save files management, no internet browser, no apps... Nintendo has been so obsessed with "security" updates that one year later the OS is still bare-bones and, ironically, the system has been hacked at a hardware level. Nintendo is more concerned about "protecting" their system than about providing a better customer experience.
Once they get the emulators up and running I'll get a second Switch. No intention of pirating any Switch games, it's a great system and I've bought nearly 50 games for it. But what a glorious emulator box it could be.
@Scrummer like WWE and MX 3?? So many games are released and left with game breaking bugs - where is our protection?
The industry partakes in as many dodgy tactics as the hackers.
I have no desire to hack my console but support the more devs is not a reason...
Eshop indie purchases yes.
Juggernaut games that shovel nonsense at us - nope
Hacking for pirating just makes you a tool.
I wonder how Nintendo will counter this.
I'm not against piracy, many people that I know have more than one console and sometimes people just want to play some games but have other bills to pay.
I live in Brasil and Nintendo doesen't have official support here and so a game can cost 400 reais that's almost 40% of a minimum wage, so yeah in some cases I can really understand The use o pirated games.
@SimonMKWii Apologies, I meant to say hackers and pirates.
Welp, Smash Switch custom music here I come! >:3
I remember when gaming used to be about playing video games, not hacking, cardboard and plastic toys
Grabs popcorn and waits for the salt
@Anti-Matter & others who say this can be patched: it can't. The issue is in a portion of code in the SoC (the hardware including CPU, GPU etc) that can't be replaced after it leaves the factory. It will be fixed at some point with new consoles, but current ones are forever compromised.
For those claiming it's all about piracy, look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBCkpEdvqDo
So now this whole DRM attempt nonsense is (apparently) done can we please be allowed to freely move save data on and off the Switch?
Something that always makes me laugh about stories like this. “We’ve hacked into this new console and now we can make it do ANYTHING!!”. “Cool, what are you going to do with it?”, “run a SNES emulator and play Super Mario World mwahahahaha!”....
@GammaPhonic Yea, but that's all a lot of people want. Having emulators for a plethora of old consoles on the Switch would make it so much more desirable to people.
What makes me laugh though is when people throw a hissy fit about this kinda stuff which allows that whilst Nintendo continue to drag their feet to release anything from their backcatalogue on the eShop...Then charge £5+ a pop when they finally do release something.
Nintendo, if you added save backups tied to a person’s Nintendo account, Virtual Console, Netflix, YouTube, better voice chat options, and a web browser, I think it would give people less incentive to hack your system.
Not really, the bulk of those games aren't being sold anymore, and never will be again, and a large portion of the games they are still selling are already on the SNES Mini. As for the rest, show me a way to buy them for the SNES Mini. A pirated game isn't a lost sale.
@mctrials23 I'm probably going to get hated for this but I totally agree with hacking to get features that would have been incredibly easy to implement (but Nintendo just isn't doing it).
I am sure they can patch it with software but the exploit is hardware related and what will happen is Nintendo will brick your OS if you try to bypass it and you will have a $300 Tegra tablet.
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@Meowpheel It's not your modding, I guess more of the sites double standards if that makes sense. I know you don't have say per say it's just the principal of the matter. That we can't discuss any of that but again here's an article on it. It's like either let us speak about it or follow your own rules but how can they expect us to follow the rules when they themselves don't.
Had I found a replacement, believe me, I would have left a long time ago.
It's already dropped, mate.
I believe Nintendo CAN Overcome that hacking problems.
I had prayed to the Heaven God (Thian Gong in my religion) for Nintendo this morning. 🙏
I'm sure Nintendo will do their Best efforts to fight against hacking & software piracy.
I keep stand on my Faith to support Nintendo by using their Original softwares WITHOUT Hacking or Piracy.
@Spectra The new proposed chip that is rumored to be in the revision is supposed to be a bit faster and has fixed that issue.
@Spectra They can do a revision change in the Switch's Tegra hardware which would stop this current version of the hack to work, but it would only be a matter of time until the switch would inevitably be 'hacked' again. Other than that, there isn't much to do, and thus Nintendo will very likely be doing just that.
These type of hacks are typically harder to replicate by your average user, so in my eyes this doesn't seem to be a big of a deal. Most people would would go for this kind of thing are just there to poke around with a new system and give themselves a challenge, maybe run a some unsigned code just to see if it works. Most pirates won't bother with sort of thing.
The more you tighten your grip Nintendo the more star systems will slip through your fingers!
@Rika_Yoshitake I wouldn't that's the case for most of the people who exploit these chips in the first place. Most of these people are just there for the fun of poking around with a new system and seeing what unsigned code they can run. Think about that post months ago about running Kubuntu (KDE+ Ubuntu) on the switch, or that other one with the dolphin emulator running. There's always going to be people who want to pirate games, but jumping on the folks who just want to tinker with a system in a benevolent fashion is unfair to not only them, but most of the hacking community.
It'll break the code of the original Switch but by that time Nintendo will probably release a newer powerful redesign version of the Switch that will render that exploit obsolete anyways.
I hack my systems for 3 reasons;
1) to backup and restore save files. why this isn't a feature in 2018 for gaming hardware baffles me to no end
2) custom themes. nothing against the 3ds but only japan gets the really good themes and i can make ones that are really personal to me. I have Gundam, Samus, Pidgeot, and Digimon themes. all with custom sounds and proper background music.
3) I'll be completely honest here, cheating. In single player games only. The only time it is acceptable to cheat in an online game is when you make it fun for everyone. Those people are few and far between. I miss old school cheats like big head mode or moon gravity. Stuff that can make a game zany. Achievements are utterly useless and I'd like the result of doing something in the game to reward me in a satisfying manner, not "Here's 5 points." And, since I'm being honest, infinite gold or upgrade points can be fun once in a while too.
Anyway, that's why I homebrew. I don't agree with pirating. Although, I wish I could paypal developers some money directly so I could download an old game iso and not feel guilty. Cause certain games aren't going to get a rerelease ever and cost WAY too much to buy again physically.
"(but actually, installing ANY emulator with ANY rom IS ALREADY 100% PIRACY!)"
The only thing 100% in this instance is your statement, it's 100% completely wrong. People are still making their own games for NES, SNES, Megadrive etc. and distributing the ROM freely online. It's not piracy if they're distributing their ROMs for free.
Sigh, more garbage. Hacker news, begone. Besides, you already reported that it was completely compromised. This hardly seems like anything but clickbait.
Last time something like this happened Nintendo implemented region-lock on their systems.
@Link506 yes those nice hackers that just want to "have fun" do you realize how silly you sound right now?
@MisterKorman who said nintendo isn't giving you a choice, unless you know how they're implementing online right now all you're doing is looking for excuses and moral excuses to hack your console.
It's always amusing and a little bewildering how upset people get over this kinda stuff around here. Makes you wonder what the age demographics of NintendoLife users actually are... in any case, I think it's pretty cool news.
I'm a big fan the Homebrew Channel on my original Wii and the emulation options that flash carts brought to the table for the original DS and DS Lite, but never ended up modding my 3DS since it was a bit too risky and complicated of a procedure for my liking. I've never pirated current gen games that publishers are still making money off of, but I like the extra functionality that emulators can add to your system of choice. Being able to play Atari 7800 and ColecoVision along with the original Doom, Doom II, and Final Doom on my Wii is pretty awesome, and the same goes for being able to play original Game Boy and Game Boy Color games on the DS Lite via a flash cart.
"Nintendo is not going to be happy about this"
That’s what happens when you use parts off the shelf. They should have demanded a custom chip.
@Dethmunk We all thought it was custom, but turns out it’s not. The hackers found the exploit by looking it up in the specs manual NVIDIA provides its developers.
Grabba beer mateys, I can see the treasure in that underwater cave!
Ohhh... Nintendo Labo already leaked! https://bit.ly/2qPaKFz
Thanks NintendoLife for helping people mod and pirate games onto their switches! I like how this site supports Nintendo then helping ruining one of the last good gaming companies in this day and age.
Oh wait... this isn't helping. :/
Why shouldn't the consumer have control over their own property? Not saying dl'ing games [piracy] that can be gotten through legal channels. I mean, having the choice to making their devices have features and other customizations they want like backing up saves, a broswer, backgrounds and so on. I still remember how ludicrous piracy was on the DS.
That argument can be interpreted as an anti-consumer stance, that the consumers have no right over their own property and therefore, have to always be subservient to the private company's interests.
1.They're not one of the last good companies if they lack features the competition has in spades. Do I like everything the competition does? I really don't care either way, but their implementation of standard industry features should've served as a wake up call for Nintendo. And if they want to aim at the hardcore market? Make a premium Switch that's on par with the other two that can play games at a higher resolution and speed, so they can bring the big guns to the systems at last.
2.Everyone has a right to do what they want with their own property. Being anti-consumer in order to whore oneself out to worship an unfeeling corporation is pathetic.
3. Try again. Piracy, according to an EU study, has zero impact on sales.
Are there people who pirate? Piracy existed for Nintendo and every company since the dawn of the industry itself. Yet NONE of that stopped any successes or caused failure. SEGA fell because of its own idiocy, over-saturation of the market and infighting while Sony ruined their portable consoles with a lack of support, terrible hardware decisions [like overpriced storage], or just flat-out giving up on their system. Then Nintendo? The Wii was a gimmick that no one cared about after a year and released a second Wii iteration that made zero efforts in their marketing, thus the U failed. Ironically, piracy has opened up markets in countries where localizations never existed due to either economics, politics, or a mixture of both. Paul Coelho's success as a writer is due to his works also gaining success in regions they were never translated for due to oversight. China's got a built-in market for games because of the longstanding piracy due to a lack of legal access.
Do I condone piracy? Far from it. I have no reason to do it as I have legal options for nearly everything. If I can't buy it, I simply don't read, watch, or what else with it. Plus, I find it cumbersome with something that is affordable. The only exemption is retro games that will never be localized due to their obscurity or anything long out of print. Which of course, eliminates anything that has been released in the last two decades, give or take. Even some old shows I've always wanted to watch got released, eliminating any temptation.
Same. Then again, why should I as a consumer, have to screw around with a device that based on its competition, has had those features as standard for the last decade? Nintendo is backwards, much like many Japanese companies in this regard, as they haven't caught up with the times. Take their entertainment industry. They love losing the opportunity to make money due to how they strangle their properties, as much as they like crippling American releases of their shows "Because reverse importing", or just being stupid with their licensing in general because they falsely believe their dead franchise will be profitable [Gundam] enough to make it justifiable to price gouge distributors and the end customer.
Actually, I stopped using my 3DS because I played the games I wanted to, and the few I had didn't entice me to play a second time or more.
It's better off to just not buy the poorly made piece of [removed] and hope that others stop doing so once the fad dies out, like with the Wii and then the U. If the end result means Nintendo falls and they become a software company, so be it. I couldn't care less. My problem with tech companies is how they are becoming anti-consumer. I can modify my car and anything else, but comes hell if you dare to customize your own hardware that you bought with your own money with different or better software, or even the hardware itself. Or they cripple their products in one way or another.
@Stocksy Even games like WWE had a team of people work day and night for it, even if the end result was awful.
Just because somethings made by a team of people instead of one or two guys doesn't mean people didn't work to make that game, even if it is a bad one. Just because you're stealing from a juggernaut company rather than one guy who spent four years making a game doesn't make a difference. You're still stealing.
@Scrummer I wasn’t saying hacking wasn’t stealing or was good - 2k releasing a broken game that doesn’t work for me is the same level - they are stealing from customers.
People only wanna look one way.
@Stocksy I realize that, and them rushing a broken game out for the holidays is very bad, and it means that people probably won't buy the next installment, therefore ruining the trust with Nintendo fans. But that still doesn't justify stealing the game. Let me put it this way. Would you walk into a Walmart/GAME/whatever and grab a copy of WWE, and walk out without paying for it? No, you wouldn't. So what makes illegally downloading it any different?
@Scrummer honestly again - I don’t hack or pirate but those same tired cliches you pump out - you have been brain washed - it’s ok for people to lie to you - take your money and not give you what you promised - (insert generic reasoning “holiday rush”) and they then just lose your trust - even though they made millions and did that lying and taking of money on an industrial scale and you justify that as fine because it’s a business - but a normal man pirates a game and he is a terrible criminal - I guess you feel the same on tax evasion - a massive company evades millions and millions in tax - it’s fine - even though they do it knowingly - a normal person files a mistake on their returns they should be punished right...
Yeah little man is always wrong and big companies do nothing wrong...
I 100% disapprove of pirating games - but it’s exactly the same as selling a product on lies which is something we have seen too many times on the switch.
The gaming industry at times is its own worst enemy - constantly milking the consumer - any belief the publishers are struggling is nonsense- I feel for developers they are in same boat as us - time and time again ripped off by large publishers
Serves them right!
It’s good that Nintendo can’t fix it. Now they can focus on the alternative solutions. Like making proper discounts and sales like what we see in other platforms. Why I’m paying $8 for Metal Slug while it costs only $3 on ipad?
@Shaniquatendo I take it your a PS4 fan? Sure I don't with everything Nintendo but they are one of the last game companies that actually make fun and interesting games still (without them I would gave up gaming ages ago), Sony and Microsoft? pfft they all do is hardware and seems worse then what we had on the 360. who gives a monkeys about resolution? and as long the speed is acceptable it's fine being that you can play it anywhere, anytime, if I want to play my PS4 I gotta wait for it boot up, and play when it sits (or reset it else where not so easy) even then it's just for PSVR the only thing that made me switch it on since last october.
and don't give that rubbish, if we didn't have to pay for new games, how the heck are the developers going to fund for future gaming? all I'm saying is for a site that's meant to support Nintendo it sure loves to do cheap clickbaits with how to hack your console, sure they won't go bust but doesn't make Piracy any better, if more people know how they do it due to being cheapskates.
Being a Good Consument = RESPECT the game developers & Video games publisher.
It's All about CONTROLING our DESIRE to not be Greedy about All in 1 features.
I would rather have a Genuine machine, Still Vanilla, WITHOUT Hacking rather than a Hacked machine that just ONLY for Fulfilling Our DARK DESIRE, Our Selfishness.
@Stocksy I don't feel the same way about tax evasion, and I haven't been brainwashed. Why don't we just leave it at that and accept that neither of us are going to change each other's stance on this, and that we both have different opinions, and that's fine.
"Let me put it this way. Would you walk into a Walmart/GAME/whatever and grab a copy of WWE, and walk out without paying for it? No, you wouldn't."
No, because piracy and stealing are two very different things. In this instance something is being taken from someone preventing them from selling it.
For those who complain over systems being hacked and the method being made public, don't seem to understand infosec concepts here. Whether or not you're interested in hacking the console, this is a good thing, because whenever exploits are found they can be patched or redesigns made. More secure hardware and more secure OS will come out of this. And maybe if we're lucky, some additions or improvements will be made in that redesign that otherwise would not have.
One thing I can guarantee you: those who find exploits in hardware or software to use for nefarious means aren't making them public or letting people know about them. They're using them against you. The NSA leaks, Spectre/Meltdown, Ryzen Fall, etc - are all things people should encourage investigators to find and report responsibly and then release to the public after an agreed upon amount of time.
If Nintendo wants to mitigate things like this, they need to do the same thing other large tech companies do, and offer a bounty program to find exploits like this. They should be offering fail0verflow and other hackers $50,000 or more for reporting design flaws that cause open execution of code, and set an NDA with them for a few months to give them time to mitigate it before going public. Just like every other major tech company.
What someone does with their own system is irrelevant: discovering, reporting, and making public security flaws with an online connected device is something Nintendo needs to get with the times on.
@Rika_Yoshitake I do realize how serious I am about this. Stuff like this happens all the time. There are people out there who are just there for the challenge- nothing less. But you can't look at all the modding scene as bad. It was the modding community made it possible for people to play Wii and DS games online after Nintendo cancelled the service. These people are called 'grey hats' and while they weren't given permission to hack the console, neither do have malicious intents. If you don't believe me, look it up.
However, it's the people who take the hacker's work then EXPAND on it so that it BECOMES malicious is when we start to have a problem. Pirating, cheating and and game-breaking have severe implications-- especially in online games.
@Shaniquatendo Yeah, I do get what you're saying. In my case...there's really no reason to other than the portability as I have a Retropie build and a Super Retrocade. I still might do it out of being curious once the exploit is stable, but I'm not sure yet. And yeah, maybe I could of just not purchased the system and "voted with my wallet" so to speak...but that's not really going to do any good since it's Nintendo we're talking about. They could probably afford to do this crap for the next half-century and still be okay, just because they're Nintendo. There will always be tons of people buying anything with the Nintendo name on it (and then scalping the hell out of it if it involves Super Mario or anything from the Gamecube down in any way), so the few people who would boycott aren't going to change much of anything when there's millions who would even if it sucks or certain expected features go missing.
@mctrials23 As someone ELSE that does this for a living, and have for...longer than I will say...
You are right. Nintendo is now free to concentrate resources on features and move those Engineering resources around
The Sec team has nothing to do but work on when and how they will get a version of this silicon with that piece of errata fixed, and the whole team doesn't need to do that
We will see how publishers respond, OTOH...how much time is there to ship before "Download, Flip, 'Release'" enters the "0-Day" cycle...
Well at least there will be preservation and the ability to play digital only eshop games that will no doubt dissappear from the eshop in years to come
"pfft they all do is hardware and seems worse then what we had on the 360. who gives a monkeys about resolution? and as long the speed is acceptable it's fine being that you can play it anywhere, anytime, if I want to play my PS4 I gotta wait for it boot up, and play when it sits (or reset it else where not so easy) even then it's just for PSVR the only thing that made me switch it on since last october."
So because I criticize Nintendo's idiocy, that means I own a PS4? I don't own one. Nintendo cared up until the Gamecube era about resolution and decent hardware, therefore your argument is moot. They only gave up with that after they burned their 3rd Party bridges, which if they hadn't made such terrible decisions , would've had a lions share of the market. The Wii wouldn't have become so terribly shovelware-prone and the U wouldn't have flopped. The problem with the PS4 is that they ship those things with HDDs instead of a hybrid drive for a boost, if not just a 128 GB SSD for the OS. HDDs can only be so fast, and probably to cut corners, are probably slower than a 5700. That's on them and their poor design. It's common knowledge [or should be] to have the SSD store the OS in order for the device to run faster
Graphics aren't that much of a pull for me as they used to, though I love the idea of a more powerful system where the big developers would play in instead of dumping 3rd tier ports or spinoffs on the system like they've done for almost twenty years. The less expensive system is the regular while the Switch Pro would be for people who want a boost and play titles that demand those graphics.I don't understand why those who [blindly] defend Nintendo ignore all of the standard features missing on the Switch, graphics aside. It's like an abusive relationship where the victim expects the abuser will change their ways and actusally
Aside from that, while I'm not one to use the online features aside from streaming movies or TV, and maybe the occasional browse, it would be fantastic for the Switch to have the competition's features in that regard to make them far less viable. And then pull a one-two punch and make the Switch something that makes the other options look downright laughable. That's what they did through the 8-16 bit era and even with the N64. They had quality and competed head to head.
The problem with Nintendo is they shoot and have shot themselves in the foot several times, burning bridges with Square and other 3rd Party developers, the infamous screwing over of Sony for the spectacular failure that was the Philips CD-I , and how they've let their classic franchises fall to the wayside for no reason like Metroid. Then hardware wise, they chose cartridges when everyone else went to CDS, adopted a small disc for the Gamecube [limiting themselves further], and then crippled themselves to gimmicks in the Wii and Wii U that with poor marketing, left no one able to differentiate between the successor or the Wii. The handheld part is mainly how Gamefreak made games that couldn't natively run at fast speeds, especially with 3D. At least Nintendo hasn't screwed up communication between their local companies like SEGA, where all of them did their own thing and then caused the entire company's hardware division to die.
I can say similar issues with Sony, how they kept dropping the ball on their handhelds for terrible ports, mediocre spinoffs or just a lack of support. Then, they chose a proprietary format , the UMD, that they ditched anyways, while leaving their entire customer base unable to play any of their purchased games, or transfer them digitally to the Go. Which means.... they pretty much went to ripping their games or just piracy. The Vita had memory cards that were overpriced, the systems were okay, but then Sony just didn't care to have any faith in the handhelds to do anything with them or promote the hell out of their products, like what Nintendo does. I don't remember seeing any advertisements for the system. Console-wise, they don't take advantage of having a virtual console-like service for every single game in their massive library from handheld to console, or even support backwards compatibility with games [correct me if I'm wrong.] Imagine if this service allowed people to play PS1-2 games on the PS4, and then you could transfer those saves to the Vita [assuming it is powerful enough to play PS2 games].
I haven't bought a Sony system ever, aside from getting the old PS2 as a gift. I never felt like any of them, aside from the PS2, ever felt worth the money to invest with. That's why I have avoided getting anything Sony, aside from their terrible movies. It's not fair to say that I blindly admire them. I don't have a PS4 and have no interest in getting any Sony console . Since Square Enix has fallen into the rut of not releasing anything. I'm not interested in wasting money on a system that probably won't be used for anything else. That and because of them, I just don't care about their games. There's no point in getting a Switch either since it doesn't interest me in the slightest.
"and don't give that rubbish, if we didn't have to pay for new games, how the heck are the developers going to fund for future gaming?"
You wouldn't download a car, right? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? It seems you didn't read anything I said. Nor can you argue your points since you don't seem to understand why piracy occurs in the first place. Political and economic reasons made Brazil a haven for piracy, while China never had the systems and thus, the market for pirated games and systems to meet the demand.
I'm not arguing that piracy is right. I am simply stating the reasons why piracy is the way it is. One can't honestly believe that out-of-print or obscure games running on emulators or from failed consoles are a threat to the industry, right? Some of the Virtual Console's games came from dumped ROMs, hilariously enough. The issue is that this arguments doesn't accept reality when it is inconvenient to corporation-worshiping ideology. If piracy negatively affected systems as you argued, then the DS ,the PS1, NES, SNES, Gameboys and other very successful systems would've been failures. The fact of the matter is that if it did, then these companies wouldn't exist today, or be like SEGA.
The only way to get rid of piracy is to make the legal options far superior and convenient to the illegal options, which is what other entertainment industries have done successfully. It's not a coincidence that piracy for movies, TV and music has dwindled as these services met these needs in the market. Those who didn't progress, like Blockbuster, vanished. Abusing customers by withholding essential features only will be the death knell of the Switch while encouraging hacking and piracy. When people realize it's just another gimmick, people will drop it.
" all I'm saying is for a site that's meant to support Nintendo it sure loves to do cheap clickbaits with how to hack your console, sure they won't go bust but doesn't make Piracy any better, if more people know how they do it due to being cheapskates."
You're saying the same anti-consumer tripe over and over again. Why can't a consumer do what they want with their own dang property, provided it is not illegal. You seem to forget that the government basically made jailbreaking legal,aside with rooting, which should've been legal in the first place given the customer owns the hardware and the software. Now if the gov't would get to the same page with ripping movies like I can with music, then it would be golden. Then again, illegal and immoral aren't mutually exclusive, though piracy can be both. Reality is complicated that way.
This is the same ignorant argument gun-control fools use to eliminate the second amendment, and others who want to do away with the first [because being offensive with words, as long as its not slander, is apparently equal to anyone beating someone to some idiots. ROFL. ] Just because people have the capacity to commit criminal acts with hacking, doesn't mean that hacking itself is this huge evil. One can use a plastic credit card to break in houses that don't have a bolt lock, or to get into their house they locked themselves out of. One can stab someone with a knife that cuts meat, cakes, pastries, vegetables and fruit [and if you're kosher/halal, would have separate cooking utensils from the the dairy]. One can gouge one's eyes out with a spoon. One can even simply use social engineering, hacking at its most fundamental terms, to hack into other's's accounts and sell them on the dark web. Or you can use those same skills to persuade people to live better lives or be a security adviser to prevent those issues.
Just because something can be used for illegal or immoral purposes doesn't mean that it is bad. It's simply a tool. Nothing more.
"Being a Good Consument = RESPECT the game developers & Video games publisher.
It's All about CONTROLING our DESIRE to not be Greedy about All in 1 features.
I would rather have a Genuine machine, Still Vanilla, WITHOUT Hacking rather than a Hacked machine that just ONLY for Fulfilling Our DARK DESIRE, Our Selfishness."
Read the above comment because I won't decipher this gibberish.
I still stand on my FAITH !
I will keep supporting Nintendo by purchase their Original softwares & hardwares.
I will NOT get into hacking & piracy.
Moreover, as we a human, controlling our desire is helping us to NOT get into illegal activities.
@Shaniquatendo Dude... "Nintendo cared up until the Gamecube era about resolution and decent hardware" I wanted a system that's super powerful I just use my pc, alot of the PS4 and Xbox one games aren't even 60fps or really a big jump to what we seen in the last gen hardware. Only problem I can't take my computer anywhere, and even a laptop is not something you can fit into your pocket.
A Nintendo Switch you can, and plays alot of the home console games rather decent or on par with PS4 and Xbox one.
But the main thing about Nintendo they still make fun and interesting games, sure they hardware isn't perfect (nothing is, even the Xbox One and PS4 have their issues ) but the fact you play alot of the new big home console games on the go is something I always wanted, another PS4 that's a bit faster? no I didn't ask for a Sony New 3DS (at least that had SNES games )
and again don't give that rubbish, sure there's nothing stopping people doing it other then being a cheapskate, but for a site that's meant to support Nintendo it sure loves covering exploits and hacks for their systems, giving more people the chance to get games for free, still remember the one about the Wii U emulator...
While Nintendo's pricing can be rather high (just wait for a sale) I rather pay for their games since I want them to keep making more amazing games! rather then being freeloader.. cause think about it? for all those people want stuff for free, if we all did that. why would even bother making it? where would the makers get the funding to make more? again I while don't agree with over-pricing do I agree with paying for things I want and are worth the money.
Are you both stupid ? Neither of you fools can refute my points with actual sound logic, and instead, keep on going for the exact same logical fallacies. That I either support piracy or some other equally stupid claim. Or that all those who pirate are "cheapskates". You both keep arguing about cheapskate this or cheapskate that, but you're both ignorant about why people pirate when they'd otherwise support the product in question. I am convinced you both have to have something legitimately wrong with yourselves since you both lack reading comprehension and yet again, keep repeating the exact same nonsensical points that aren't based in economic reality, or any form of reality whatsoever, like robots.
I'm DONE talking with you !
Go ahead with your illegal activities, BUT I still stand on my Faith, to Support Nintendo by purchase their Original softwares and hardwares.
No Hacking & Piracy whatsoever.
Have a Nice day !
@Shaniquatendo Whatever you say poor man, have fun with your illegal activities. :3
@Shaniquatendo Mind your language!
@10-zx That's not my problem
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