@EVIL-C You're horrible. I wouldn't wish ill will on anyone. The game is a vast improvement over Meme Run even if it is not perfect and doesn't have mainstream appeal.
@Nintendian Sorry, I accidentally tagged you initially.
@Moshugan Congrats on your game! I've worked on a game for Android and it was a bit tough. There were a number of issues, but we decided to leave it as-is and turn it into a learning experience.
And to be honest, I am less bothered if it were reviewed at a later date or even if the score remained as-is if some time period elapses and the devs decide not to update the game (in the worst case scenario).
@MitchVogel You were actually a lot more polite than I expected and I am sorry if I came across as prematurely abrasive. It is just that I've seen a lot of nasty reviews come from this site which I think are unfair. And while I can certainly understand people judging a game based on an initial impression, I have learned to temper my judgment on a game based on various factors, such as budget, resources, price, etc. I also am against the idea of rating a game before the bulk of the content comes out (since many people were less judgmental against Minecraft, although it did the same thing), but that is your own prerogative. It definitely has me thinking of ways on how I can release content that matches that mindset, even if I don't 100% agree with it.
@Cypronia Honestly, I am less than enthusiastic with your responses on this thread. You seem to be bashing a Nindie just so you can use this review as a springboard for your own game. While I agree that we all technically compete against one another, most of my favorite Nindies have been supportive and without them I might not even be making games for the Wii U. Let's not publicly sink one another just so we can raise ourselves up.
By the way, I think your pricing scheme is fine. I personally also believe in charging what a game is worth. I just think people need to keep a few factors in mind when playing Nindie games. This isn't the type of game that should have a number permanently attached to it because it is promising additional updates. Even IGN altered their review of Minecraft after a few years because the game has changed drastically since its initial release.
And honestly, I have had no interactions with the developer prior to this review. If you want to look me up on Twitter, feel free. It is @DerekRumpler. I have no desire to hide my identity. I am responding to this because I feel like the reviews on this site can be too harsh sometimes. I have finished my own Wii U game and while it isn't released yet, I hope to release it soon. I would not necessarily kick back due to a low score, however. Although I might be personally reluctant to give a review code to a site that I feel is unnecessarily harsh.
When Notch takes years to build content and roll out updates, it is cool. When a Nindie does it, it is not so much.
I swear. This site has such a hard-on against the smaller Nindies that it is laughingly embarrassing. There is some constructive criticism in this review, but you proceed to give the game a low score when it is promising future content.
If only you could understand how hard it can be to be a Nindie with a limited budget. People put out the best games that they can with the hope that they can make better games with more money. Very few people understand how hard game dev can be, especially for a console. If you continue to piss on smaller teams then you will chase out many indies and AAA and larger studios will be all that remain. Potentially good companies will be shot down in their infancy before they have a chance to evolve.
For example, early- to mid-1980's Nintendo might not make it in this market. Their games were smaller, but they had to learn the technology and gain money to make more ambitious projects. If they were shot down before acquiring this goal then we would not have the Nintendo we have today. Many smaller Nindies are in the same boat as Nintendo was in that day and their work should be judged for what it is.
In this particular example, it is a Minecraft game that promises to grow. The developer openly admits it is in its infancy. And yet you are comparing it to a full AAA product. Allow it to grow and become what it is. If people are prematurely chased away, it might not become that. Perhaps some people need to pay money for what is there so the developer can continue to develop it. Again, just like Notch did.
These are my thoughts. I will probably be ridiculed. I am a Nindie myself, but have no connection to the developer. I think this site can extend a little more compassion to Nindies and not constantly compare them to games with bigger budgets. When a site is consistently handing out ones and threes to Nindies and giving away their review codes in contests then I take issue. You are being mean at that point.
At any rate, I think this is much nicer than anything written by HylianJowie. I just think you should check your bias.
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Re: Bigley's Revenge Has Been Removed From the eShop
@RCMADIAX I couldn't get Explody Bomb or Hold Your Fire any lower than E10 and those games are no more violent than Mario.
Re: Bigley's Revenge Has Been Removed From the eShop
@Vee_Flames it could be someone with the copyright trolling because of Meme Run.
Re: Bigley's Revenge Has Been Removed From the eShop
@EVIL-C You're horrible. I wouldn't wish ill will on anyone. The game is a vast improvement over Meme Run even if it is not perfect and doesn't have mainstream appeal.
@Nintendian Sorry, I accidentally tagged you initially.
Re: Bigley's Revenge Has Been Removed From the eShop
Was there anything in it that was copyrighted?
Re: Review: Stone Shire (Wii U eShop)
@MitchVogel Again, consider Minecraft. Imagine if people reviewed it in its earliest state!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1trU5H-vQ_8
Re: Review: Stone Shire (Wii U eShop)
@Moshugan Congrats on your game! I've worked on a game for Android and it was a bit tough. There were a number of issues, but we decided to leave it as-is and turn it into a learning experience.
And to be honest, I am less bothered if it were reviewed at a later date or even if the score remained as-is if some time period elapses and the devs decide not to update the game (in the worst case scenario).
Re: Review: Stone Shire (Wii U eShop)
@MitchVogel You were actually a lot more polite than I expected and I am sorry if I came across as prematurely abrasive. It is just that I've seen a lot of nasty reviews come from this site which I think are unfair. And while I can certainly understand people judging a game based on an initial impression, I have learned to temper my judgment on a game based on various factors, such as budget, resources, price, etc. I also am against the idea of rating a game before the bulk of the content comes out (since many people were less judgmental against Minecraft, although it did the same thing), but that is your own prerogative. It definitely has me thinking of ways on how I can release content that matches that mindset, even if I don't 100% agree with it.
@Cypronia Honestly, I am less than enthusiastic with your responses on this thread. You seem to be bashing a Nindie just so you can use this review as a springboard for your own game. While I agree that we all technically compete against one another, most of my favorite Nindies have been supportive and without them I might not even be making games for the Wii U. Let's not publicly sink one another just so we can raise ourselves up.
By the way, I think your pricing scheme is fine. I personally also believe in charging what a game is worth. I just think people need to keep a few factors in mind when playing Nindie games. This isn't the type of game that should have a number permanently attached to it because it is promising additional updates. Even IGN altered their review of Minecraft after a few years because the game has changed drastically since its initial release.
And honestly, I have had no interactions with the developer prior to this review. If you want to look me up on Twitter, feel free. It is @DerekRumpler. I have no desire to hide my identity. I am responding to this because I feel like the reviews on this site can be too harsh sometimes. I have finished my own Wii U game and while it isn't released yet, I hope to release it soon. I would not necessarily kick back due to a low score, however. Although I might be personally reluctant to give a review code to a site that I feel is unnecessarily harsh.
@CrazyMetroid Thank you!
Re: Review: Stone Shire (Wii U eShop)
When Notch takes years to build content and roll out updates, it is cool. When a Nindie does it, it is not so much.
I swear. This site has such a hard-on against the smaller Nindies that it is laughingly embarrassing. There is some constructive criticism in this review, but you proceed to give the game a low score when it is promising future content.
If only you could understand how hard it can be to be a Nindie with a limited budget. People put out the best games that they can with the hope that they can make better games with more money. Very few people understand how hard game dev can be, especially for a console. If you continue to piss on smaller teams then you will chase out many indies and AAA and larger studios will be all that remain. Potentially good companies will be shot down in their infancy before they have a chance to evolve.
For example, early- to mid-1980's Nintendo might not make it in this market. Their games were smaller, but they had to learn the technology and gain money to make more ambitious projects. If they were shot down before acquiring this goal then we would not have the Nintendo we have today. Many smaller Nindies are in the same boat as Nintendo was in that day and their work should be judged for what it is.
In this particular example, it is a Minecraft game that promises to grow. The developer openly admits it is in its infancy. And yet you are comparing it to a full AAA product. Allow it to grow and become what it is. If people are prematurely chased away, it might not become that. Perhaps some people need to pay money for what is there so the developer can continue to develop it. Again, just like Notch did.
These are my thoughts. I will probably be ridiculed. I am a Nindie myself, but have no connection to the developer. I think this site can extend a little more compassion to Nindies and not constantly compare them to games with bigger budgets. When a site is consistently handing out ones and threes to Nindies and giving away their review codes in contests then I take issue. You are being mean at that point.
At any rate, I think this is much nicer than anything written by HylianJowie. I just think you should check your bias.