@Crono1973 the legality is common knowledge. i think the real argument boils down to the same thing as most stuff on the net. the whole i'm right and you're wrong argument. ppl love that sht and i find it detracts from what is possible.
about the device & article. personally don't care if roms are illegal since it isn't very difficult to create a board to read data from any media. there are guides online, if you can solder and follow instructions (and have free money to blow lol). it isn't illegal to hook your SNES up to your computer. you own the data on the cart (don't distribute or alter it). i pay 100+ for a cart as an investment as a last resort. finding one without a label/damaged for cheap doesn't bother me to dodge that. seriously don't get that argument either. also can buy japanese carts and use a language patch for wicked cheap... so. where there's a will there's a way.
buying the device in the article isn't bad, it is slightly less complicated to use than the retrode. so it is a better way to interact with the old media. also funny nintendo doesn't release something like this. since they could make it not easily output like a removable hard drive. most people would buy it instead of this & retrode. nintendo could control a bigger % of gamers to not interact with roms and make money. funny they don't and release hardware that gets hacked and loaded with illegal roms anyway lol, irony and priceless tbh
@mikegamer yeah me either... idk what you are even talking about. lol i figured by the context of my posts, only talking about ROMs, that I would be emulating them on PC. who the fk RGB mods anything anymore when you can use HDMI and graphics processing for better visuals.
you can even buy a board to solder into an original NES that upgrades to USB compatibility so you aren't weighted down by ancient tech. and can actually play your original NES through your PC graphics processing (with emulator to look way way way better)
retrode is good for playing. i made a smart TV and it will load as a removable media and have the ROM available on it. so i can actually use the retrode like a console independent from a standalone PC if I needed to bring it to a friend's place. my "smart tv" is a mini-pc btw that just plugs in w/ hdmi & usb =)
kiinda like the Analogue Super NT thingy you got, looks neat
@Azathoth I've been mad about this for decades but I fixed my problem years ago. I agree it is dumb to rationalize downloading ROMs off a website (especially in USA it is illegal).
Been buying cheap as hell japanese carts, dumping them myself and getting the legal language patches. There is really no reason to complain. Personally I get more mad at the VC prices of games than the actual state of emulator/ROM community
In fact if more people handled their own crap Nintendo might get scared about losing money and bow to consumer demand. But we are all kinda playing into their hand now.
MTX on VC = milking us for money. Not preserving culture or enabling customers to have a better user experience. All this proprietary crap is dumb. Companies just need to flat out sell you a ROM; not a proprietary format that has no distinct benefit in the long run. Other than becoming unsupported and ignored. Would be different if all consoles were backwards compatible more.
This is why I don't use Steam anymore and switched to GoG since you get the actual files. Eventually these VC will go away and your entire virtual library will be down the drain. At least with GoG you have the installation files still if the CMS dies.
@mikegamer ROMs aren't even illegal if you make your own dumping/backup hardware... which isn't too crazy to do. Lots of how-to's online. I wish people thought more like that instead of trying to fight the system. The solution already exists.
Sans the guy or gal who absolutely has to play something expensive. Most carts are not that expensive so I do not know why people gripe about it.
If you are still worried about the cost... simply buy a japanese cart. Dump it legally yourself... and download a legal language patch. Japanese version of Chrono trigger is like 10 dollars. Do some effort, learn to solder, put some boards together... and empower yourself. Rather than fight Congress or something over it. Once we can all backup any media on our own we do not rely on these VC or random crap.
Plus the ROM is the most versatile piece of game media. Proprietary cartridges, discs etc. are a pain. Eventually you can put emulators on any device. ROMs > *
Also the Retrode exists if you are lazy. It works really well. I have all the adapters so I can play Atari, SMS, N64 w/ on my computer w/ the original cart and controller. ANY REGION.
@c2017nlifemedia Lol, as if other countries don't have similar laws. Most countries outline how you are legally allowed to backup media and distribute it. Also, the context of this article is ROM sites hosted in the USA. Which is why I mentioned the DMCA.
Nice job missing the point of my post tho. Tangents are better suited for trig.
The legality of ROM sites has been one of the most pointless debates of modern media. It is illegal, end. The other side is the customer experience. If you create your own ROM from your own media you purchased, legal. That is effort tho and 99.9% of people aren't dumping their own ROMs. Essentially you are making a backup of your media which is covered under the DMCA (or whatevers in your country). Especially since old media is so volatile.
The real problem is publishers and game franchises on Nintendo's side can't seem to grasp the concept that cross-franchise ANYTHING is pretty impossible. That is why the "minis" always have a lacking selection and are missing best titles. Why in the hell are companies still trying to do this? Nintendo is basically flipping us off. They don't care we care about their games.
That is why franchises need to be releasing compendiums of their work (if they exist at all) that they own most of the licenses to. That way there is more control and compendiums on Nintendo hardware are actually released. Then we don't depend on Nintendo slamming their oaf head against a wall.
Even still I feel like using licensing issues as a reason to not give a good quality compendium of old games is a cop out. This discussion has been going on almost 20 years, if not longer. Has nobody figured out how to get along across licensing barriers after this long?
It is almost like people are afraid of doing real work anymore. Like, oh dear... we have to communicate... and set terms... and get along. Yikes.
Edit:
This reminds me of the Beavis and Butthead re-release. They took out ALL the music videos for licensing issues. The music video banter made the show what it was...... yet the MTV corporation (founded on the fact music videos are so awesome) wont' even do the work to figure out the licensing issues. Yet all the copies online w/ the music videos are illegal because they were recorded off TV and distributed without permission.
Corporations do not care about the culture they create... at all.
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Re: Use Original Cartridges On Your SNES Mini With This Classic 2 Magic Attachment
@Crono1973 the legality is common knowledge. i think the real argument boils down to the same thing as most stuff on the net. the whole i'm right and you're wrong argument. ppl love that sht and i find it detracts from what is possible.
about the device & article. personally don't care if roms are illegal since it isn't very difficult to create a board to read data from any media. there are guides online, if you can solder and follow instructions (and have free money to blow lol). it isn't illegal to hook your SNES up to your computer. you own the data on the cart (don't distribute or alter it). i pay 100+ for a cart as an investment as a last resort. finding one without a label/damaged for cheap doesn't bother me to dodge that. seriously don't get that argument either. also can buy japanese carts and use a language patch for wicked cheap... so. where there's a will there's a way.
buying the device in the article isn't bad, it is slightly less complicated to use than the retrode. so it is a better way to interact with the old media. also funny nintendo doesn't release something like this. since they could make it not easily output like a removable hard drive. most people would buy it instead of this & retrode. nintendo could control a bigger % of gamers to not interact with roms and make money. funny they don't and release hardware that gets hacked and loaded with illegal roms anyway lol, irony and priceless tbh
Re: Use Original Cartridges On Your SNES Mini With This Classic 2 Magic Attachment
Is it just me or are all the ROM arguments complete dead ends? Shouldn't we appeal to our governments to rewrite the copyright laws?
Re: Nintendo Takes Legal Action Against Two Notorious Arizona-Based ROM Websites
@Painkiller_Mike they say the games are affordable and cheaper, so they do that.
all i hear is, Nintendo succeeds off micro-transactions and not allowing cross-platform support gets them more transactions.
Re: Nintendo Takes Legal Action Against Two Notorious Arizona-Based ROM Websites
@mikegamer yeah me either... idk what you are even talking about. lol i figured by the context of my posts, only talking about ROMs, that I would be emulating them on PC. who the fk RGB mods anything anymore when you can use HDMI and graphics processing for better visuals.
you can even buy a board to solder into an original NES that upgrades to USB compatibility so you aren't weighted down by ancient tech. and can actually play your original NES through your PC graphics processing (with emulator to look way way way better)
retrode is good for playing. i made a smart TV and it will load as a removable media and have the ROM available on it. so i can actually use the retrode like a console independent from a standalone PC if I needed to bring it to a friend's place. my "smart tv" is a mini-pc btw that just plugs in w/ hdmi & usb =)
kiinda like the Analogue Super NT thingy you got, looks neat
Re: Nintendo Takes Legal Action Against Two Notorious Arizona-Based ROM Websites
@Azathoth I've been mad about this for decades but I fixed my problem years ago. I agree it is dumb to rationalize downloading ROMs off a website (especially in USA it is illegal).
Been buying cheap as hell japanese carts, dumping them myself and getting the legal language patches. There is really no reason to complain. Personally I get more mad at the VC prices of games than the actual state of emulator/ROM community
In fact if more people handled their own crap Nintendo might get scared about losing money and bow to consumer demand. But we are all kinda playing into their hand now.
MTX on VC = milking us for money. Not preserving culture or enabling customers to have a better user experience. All this proprietary crap is dumb. Companies just need to flat out sell you a ROM; not a proprietary format that has no distinct benefit in the long run. Other than becoming unsupported and ignored. Would be different if all consoles were backwards compatible more.
This is why I don't use Steam anymore and switched to GoG since you get the actual files. Eventually these VC will go away and your entire virtual library will be down the drain. At least with GoG you have the installation files still if the CMS dies.
Re: Nintendo Takes Legal Action Against Two Notorious Arizona-Based ROM Websites
@mikegamer ROMs aren't even illegal if you make your own dumping/backup hardware... which isn't too crazy to do. Lots of how-to's online. I wish people thought more like that instead of trying to fight the system. The solution already exists.
Sans the guy or gal who absolutely has to play something expensive. Most carts are not that expensive so I do not know why people gripe about it.
If you are still worried about the cost... simply buy a japanese cart. Dump it legally yourself... and download a legal language patch. Japanese version of Chrono trigger is like 10 dollars. Do some effort, learn to solder, put some boards together... and empower yourself. Rather than fight Congress or something over it. Once we can all backup any media on our own we do not rely on these VC or random crap.
Plus the ROM is the most versatile piece of game media. Proprietary cartridges, discs etc. are a pain. Eventually you can put emulators on any device. ROMs > *
Also the Retrode exists if you are lazy. It works really well. I have all the adapters so I can play Atari, SMS, N64 w/ on my computer w/ the original cart and controller. ANY REGION.
Re: Nintendo Takes Legal Action Against Two Notorious Arizona-Based ROM Websites
@c2017nlifemedia Lol, as if other countries don't have similar laws. Most countries outline how you are legally allowed to backup media and distribute it. Also, the context of this article is ROM sites hosted in the USA. Which is why I mentioned the DMCA.
Nice job missing the point of my post tho. Tangents are better suited for trig.
Re: Nintendo Takes Legal Action Against Two Notorious Arizona-Based ROM Websites
The legality of ROM sites has been one of the most pointless debates of modern media. It is illegal, end. The other side is the customer experience. If you create your own ROM from your own media you purchased, legal. That is effort tho and 99.9% of people aren't dumping their own ROMs. Essentially you are making a backup of your media which is covered under the DMCA (or whatevers in your country). Especially since old media is so volatile.
The real problem is publishers and game franchises on Nintendo's side can't seem to grasp the concept that cross-franchise ANYTHING is pretty impossible. That is why the "minis" always have a lacking selection and are missing best titles. Why in the hell are companies still trying to do this? Nintendo is basically flipping us off. They don't care we care about their games.
That is why franchises need to be releasing compendiums of their work (if they exist at all) that they own most of the licenses to. That way there is more control and compendiums on Nintendo hardware are actually released. Then we don't depend on Nintendo slamming their oaf head against a wall.
Even still I feel like using licensing issues as a reason to not give a good quality compendium of old games is a cop out. This discussion has been going on almost 20 years, if not longer. Has nobody figured out how to get along across licensing barriers after this long?
It is almost like people are afraid of doing real work anymore. Like, oh dear... we have to communicate... and set terms... and get along. Yikes.
Edit:
This reminds me of the Beavis and Butthead re-release. They took out ALL the music videos for licensing issues. The music video banter made the show what it was...... yet the MTV corporation (founded on the fact music videos are so awesome) wont' even do the work to figure out the licensing issues. Yet all the copies online w/ the music videos are illegal because they were recorded off TV and distributed without permission.
Corporations do not care about the culture they create... at all.