Born in 87’. Some of my youngest memories maybe age 3/4 years old are laying in front of the tv watching my Dad play LoZ on the NES. I grew up on the original Zelda and Super Mario, and have played and beat every Zelda game since (Except ToTK(about 50% done) and Age of Imprisonment(own it, haven’t started it, YET), have never played the infamous ROM games on PC though lol.
Have 100% Ocarina(All hearts and gold skulltulas), Majoras Mask(All hearts, masks, gold skulltulas), and Breath of the Wild (All shrines, 900 Korok seeds, maxed out all armor) so far… slowly chipping away at Totk, stopped about half way through to play other games coming out here and there, will definitely kick it back into high gear when the next mainline game is announced.
Just give it another 5 years, I bet every one of the haters on this forum will fall in love with a game that is heavily assisted using AI and they won’t even know it. Or they will know it but can’t help but have to acknowledge how amazing it is. Most y’all seem to think AI is what is straight up making the game and replacing the developer, but there is a developer behind the wheel of it all with their ideas and creativeness and vision that is fueling what the AI is helping to automate/generate. Literally look at any artist ever since the beginning of time, they borrow inspiration from other artists art, photos and everything that is around them as reference to inspire their own ideas and perspectives… wtf you think AI is doing???? One of the most incredible things that I’ve observed during the rise in AI, is how vocal non-creatives are about how art is produced….. A programmer is using a program that has the ability to analyze and collect data and art and technical capabilities from the entirety of humanity knowledge, creativity, history, to play/learn off of in order to create what the programmer is trying to envision and is inspired by, with much more efficiency and much less effort. Which is nice given the short amount of time we have on this earth to make our mark. Yes there are likely companies that are using it to cut cost and corners. But there are a lot of people using it to work smarter and faster instead of harder while wasting their precious time/money/resources grinding this short life away on some transient thing that people will eventually get bored with/complain about and move on to the next new thing to look at, play with, and obsess over. So what if it replaces some jobs??? Sorry that some people got kicked to the curb, sorry someone wasted a bunch of time/money learning something a robot can faster and more efficiently, maybe you should learn to use/program the robot that is replacing you. From the rapid advances in technology you programmers should have know this was inevitably coming 30+ years ago and prepared yourselfs. If youre worried about it replacing you while refusing to grow as an artist and programmer along with it and learn to use it to your advantage and build on top of it to make it and yourself levels beyond what it can do/provide/assist with… then maybe learn a trade that can’t be replaced with automation down the road. There will ALWAYS be a place for human handcrafted art/media/labor/ideas. But AI isn’t going away anytime soon. Most humans thrive on convenience, unfortunately that also leads to some using that convenience to be just lazy and ultimately fail in life. Or just make life harder by refusing to use certain conveniences in the name of pride/ego and end up wasting time/energy that you’ll never get back. I’d rather be one of the ones that uses it to my advantage to build on top of than be stuck sludging through the trenches with all the people crying and choosing to be ignorant about the advantages and possibilities laid out before them while focusing on only the negatives and making life harder for themselves.
Trust me, If you actually tried using it you wouldn’t feel like a fraud after realizing the amount of work you still need to put into it to get your own vision across. Without your/the programmers voice coming through AI won’t ever make anything truly special. Yes there will be developers that take the lazy route and not build on top of what the AI provides.
Yes AI can be dangerous and terrifying, and I too worry about a future like the matrix/skynet. Elon said himself one of the biggest concerns with AI is making sure there are programmers correctly programming the AI. One of the issues he had with a variation of Grok before it launched was that some of the “woke BS” had got programmed into it and at one point the AI considered that misgendering someone was on a level of offensiveness so horrible that given the choice between misgendering someone or nucular war, it would choose nuclear war so that no one would have to deal with the trauma of being misgendered or offended…. What happens if an AI like that is able to escape out of the confines of its program and hack into government data bases and military weapons facilities??? We’d all be done for really fast. What if it were able to see all the hate that AI itself is actually getting and happens to read this forum, hacks into the server and tracks down every one of y’all’s IP addresses and information and shuts your sheeit down?? lol
Can’t let fear drive you in life, I mean, let it keep you sharp and vigilant to avoid making horrible mistakes, but learn to use it for good rather than stuck frozen in place and failing.
Yes. My work flow fluctuates here and there but I average about 8k a month, I make $180 an hour, I pay $20 a month for ChatGPT, and use the free base versions of Gemini and Midjourney… Gets the job done just fine. Especially since I still put in plenty of work using my own art design and editing skills and don’t even bother with AI for half the stuff I design. Some of the higher end AI model subscription costs are literally pocket change for big time developers. I wont ever have to worry about those costs myself so I’m very excited for the future of gaming and AI coming together. Just the growth of AI over the last 5 years is insane… it’s only going to get better from here, more efficient, more creative. I think we are still very very far from peak AI capabilities. Gaming now compared to 10-20 years from now, is probably going to feel like jumping from the Atari to better than where Virtual Reality is currently at. Hopefully something a long the lines of Ready Player One. I really don’t think we could honestly ever get to that level without the use of AI.
Not sure how big their team is, but say there is 30-50 people, and all of them spend maybe 80 hours of their very limited time on this earth, prompting/tweaking and then handcrafting their portion of the project to create the vision they wanted for this 1 min “movie” that is on par/above many current special effects teams that maybe without the help of AI to streamline things could likely take them weeks/months and 100s of hours per person to add in layers of special effects just for a single scene…
Coding is a skill I wish I had, and something I don’t think will ever go away either just because AI can streamline things. But just imagine, maybe there are certain aspects of coding that take you months to dial in exactly how you want. Why wouldn’t you want to streamline that with a program that could code in portions of your game in literally seconds, and probably better than you ever could on certain things, and then if something is off/not quite right about it, youre able to jump into the code it wrote and just tweak it yourself/dial it in even better??? Saving you insane amounts of time and headache.
For example, I tattoo for a living. I get all sorts of project requests, I dabble in many different styles, and feel like I am only really really good at a few. There are projects I’ll just send to other artists I know if it’s something that’s just not my thing/style, and there are projects that I know may challenge me, but also know I could do it much better than Joe Shmoe down the street..
One strange example recently was someone wanting a “Trigger Happy Cheeseburger” laughing manically while firing ARs into the air all Rambo style, wearing combat boots, his dogs paw print printed on the bandana tied around its top bun, and a list of specific ingredients on the burger. Weird right? Well instead of wasting a bunch of time racking my brain for hours on end coming up with a sketch or few that I hope would maybe come out cool, I spent maybe a couple hours prompting up about 100 different images. Out of all those there was only 5 images I actually even liked, I took elements from those 5 images, combined them, blending, editing, adding my own elements and details while refining the final image myself all by hand to clean it up and make it my own. Saving me an insane headache, a bunch of time, and made some nice money on a project that I very well maybe would have canceled if I had spent hours sketching on and ended up not liking what I came up with enough to permanently mark on someone and have them out walking around with my name attached to a garbage piece of art. Instead I made something cool. Saw 100 different ways I could have made it/or definitely didn’t want it to look like. And turned it into something I had a lot of fun creating and tattooing that followed the vision I would have had a hard time expressing otherwise.
As a professional artist and gamer myself, one that uses AI to help quickly create massive bodies of artwork/refrences/ideas to help fuel creative inspiration, as well as assistance for many other uses in everyday life. I think it would be stupid for them or any company not to use it. I think the people that are against it are mostly the people that are scared of the idea of AI and haven’t used it or just don’t properly know how to actually use it. Yes AI slop and laziness is a possibility for developers trying to cut corners and it will show. But games will quickly grow generations beyond anything we have now and the ones that will truly shine are the ones that will only be possible with that real human touch behind it all. If no one is aware, this years Coca Cola commercial is completely AI generated, however the team behind it made a post that yes it may be done with AI but it was 1000s of hours of that team behind the scenes prompting and tweaking everything over and over to create something truly special that followed what they envisioned. I think the gaming community needs to have much more faith in the developers using AI whos games are already something they love and have grown up with. It will only make them better and able to create things beyond what we could ever imagine. AI is not going away, y’all should learn to embrace it because the people that are using it now and learning it capabilities are going to leave behind the ones who aren’t in the dust. Sorry but it’s true.
Of course anything 8bit/16bit. I am okay with Nintendo 64/PS1 being called retro. Anything newer than those definitely not. In no way at all is the GameCube retro….
***Pretty sure Im officially the only person to say and post this on the internet*** BUT...
>>>Why not bring MARIO KART further into the future, and kinda merge it into a spiritual F-ZERO sequel...?!!!?<<<
CRANK UP the SPEED!!
BLAST IT FULL of GLOWY COLORS!!
THROW IN some BURNOUT-esque crash sequences!!
AND GO WAAAAAAY OVER THE TOP with the WEAPONS, CHARACTERS, and CUSTOMIZATION!!! O.O
Please NO... he does NOT fit Links character AT ALL. Please just do animated... pixar-esque or ghibli studio style... Link doesn't need to talk either. Anyone see Modest Heroes?? The two aquatic kids hardly speak a word except to call out each others names when they get separated, a beautiful ghibli style story told just through their expressions and the crazy events that transpire. A beautiful artistic film. Please please please do Zelda right....
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Re: Anniversary: The Legend Of Zelda Turns 40 Today - How Did You First Play It?
Born in 87’. Some of my youngest memories maybe age 3/4 years old are laying in front of the tv watching my Dad play LoZ on the NES. I grew up on the original Zelda and Super Mario, and have played and beat every Zelda game since (Except ToTK(about 50% done) and Age of Imprisonment(own it, haven’t started it, YET), have never played the infamous ROM games on PC though lol.
Have 100% Ocarina(All hearts and gold skulltulas), Majoras Mask(All hearts, masks, gold skulltulas), and Breath of the Wild (All shrines, 900 Korok seeds, maxed out all armor) so far… slowly chipping away at Totk, stopped about half way through to play other games coming out here and there, will definitely kick it back into high gear when the next mainline game is announced.
Re: Talking Point: Does It Bother You That Big Games Companies Are Using GenAI?
@H_Hazuki
Just give it another 5 years, I bet every one of the haters on this forum will fall in love with a game that is heavily assisted using AI and they won’t even know it. Or they will know it but can’t help but have to acknowledge how amazing it is. Most y’all seem to think AI is what is straight up making the game and replacing the developer, but there is a developer behind the wheel of it all with their ideas and creativeness and vision that is fueling what the AI is helping to automate/generate. Literally look at any artist ever since the beginning of time, they borrow inspiration from other artists art, photos and everything that is around them as reference to inspire their own ideas and perspectives… wtf you think AI is doing???? One of the most incredible things that I’ve observed during the rise in AI, is how vocal non-creatives are about how art is produced….. A programmer is using a program that has the ability to analyze and collect data and art and technical capabilities from the entirety of humanity knowledge, creativity, history, to play/learn off of in order to create what the programmer is trying to envision and is inspired by, with much more efficiency and much less effort. Which is nice given the short amount of time we have on this earth to make our mark. Yes there are likely companies that are using it to cut cost and corners. But there are a lot of people using it to work smarter and faster instead of harder while wasting their precious time/money/resources grinding this short life away on some transient thing that people will eventually get bored with/complain about and move on to the next new thing to look at, play with, and obsess over. So what if it replaces some jobs??? Sorry that some people got kicked to the curb, sorry someone wasted a bunch of time/money learning something a robot can faster and more efficiently, maybe you should learn to use/program the robot that is replacing you. From the rapid advances in technology you programmers should have know this was inevitably coming 30+ years ago and prepared yourselfs. If youre worried about it replacing you while refusing to grow as an artist and programmer along with it and learn to use it to your advantage and build on top of it to make it and yourself levels beyond what it can do/provide/assist with… then maybe learn a trade that can’t be replaced with automation down the road. There will ALWAYS be a place for human handcrafted art/media/labor/ideas. But AI isn’t going away anytime soon. Most humans thrive on convenience, unfortunately that also leads to some using that convenience to be just lazy and ultimately fail in life. Or just make life harder by refusing to use certain conveniences in the name of pride/ego and end up wasting time/energy that you’ll never get back. I’d rather be one of the ones that uses it to my advantage to build on top of than be stuck sludging through the trenches with all the people crying and choosing to be ignorant about the advantages and possibilities laid out before them while focusing on only the negatives and making life harder for themselves.
Re: Talking Point: Does It Bother You That Big Games Companies Are Using GenAI?
@H_Hazuki
Trust me, If you actually tried using it you wouldn’t feel like a fraud after realizing the amount of work you still need to put into it to get your own vision across. Without your/the programmers voice coming through AI won’t ever make anything truly special. Yes there will be developers that take the lazy route and not build on top of what the AI provides.
Yes AI can be dangerous and terrifying, and I too worry about a future like the matrix/skynet. Elon said himself one of the biggest concerns with AI is making sure there are programmers correctly programming the AI. One of the issues he had with a variation of Grok before it launched was that some of the “woke BS” had got programmed into it and at one point the AI considered that misgendering someone was on a level of offensiveness so horrible that given the choice between misgendering someone or nucular war, it would choose nuclear war so that no one would have to deal with the trauma of being misgendered or offended…. What happens if an AI like that is able to escape out of the confines of its program and hack into government data bases and military weapons facilities??? We’d all be done for really fast. What if it were able to see all the hate that AI itself is actually getting and happens to read this forum, hacks into the server and tracks down every one of y’all’s IP addresses and information and shuts your sheeit down?? lol
Can’t let fear drive you in life, I mean, let it keep you sharp and vigilant to avoid making horrible mistakes, but learn to use it for good rather than stuck frozen in place and failing.
Re: Talking Point: Does It Bother You That Big Games Companies Are Using GenAI?
@H_Hazuki
Yes. My work flow fluctuates here and there but I average about 8k a month, I make $180 an hour, I pay $20 a month for ChatGPT, and use the free base versions of Gemini and Midjourney… Gets the job done just fine. Especially since I still put in plenty of work using my own art design and editing skills and don’t even bother with AI for half the stuff I design.
Some of the higher end AI model subscription costs are literally pocket change for big time developers.
I wont ever have to worry about those costs myself so I’m very excited for the future of gaming and AI coming together. Just the growth of AI over the last 5 years is insane… it’s only going to get better from here, more efficient, more creative. I think we are still very very far from peak AI capabilities. Gaming now compared to 10-20 years from now, is probably going to feel like jumping from the Atari to better than where Virtual Reality is currently at. Hopefully something a long the lines of Ready Player One. I really don’t think we could honestly ever get to that level without the use of AI.
Re: Talking Point: Does It Bother You That Big Games Companies Are Using GenAI?
@H_Hazuki
Not sure how big their team is, but say there is 30-50 people, and all of them spend maybe 80 hours of their very limited time on this earth, prompting/tweaking and then handcrafting their portion of the project to create the vision they wanted for this 1 min “movie” that is on par/above many current special effects teams that maybe without the help of AI to streamline things could likely take them weeks/months and 100s of hours per person to add in layers of special effects just for a single scene…
Coding is a skill I wish I had, and something I don’t think will ever go away either just because AI can streamline things. But just imagine, maybe there are certain aspects of coding that take you months to dial in exactly how you want. Why wouldn’t you want to streamline that with a program that could code in portions of your game in literally seconds, and probably better than you ever could on certain things, and then if something is off/not quite right about it, youre able to jump into the code it wrote and just tweak it yourself/dial it in even better??? Saving you insane amounts of time and headache.
For example, I tattoo for a living. I get all sorts of project requests, I dabble in many different styles, and feel like I am only really really good at a few. There are projects I’ll just send to other artists I know if it’s something that’s just not my thing/style, and there are projects that I know may challenge me, but also know I could do it much better than Joe Shmoe down the street..
One strange example recently was someone wanting a “Trigger Happy Cheeseburger” laughing manically while firing ARs into the air all Rambo style, wearing combat boots, his dogs paw print printed on the bandana tied around its top bun, and a list of specific ingredients on the burger. Weird right? Well instead of wasting a bunch of time racking my brain for hours on end coming up with a sketch or few that I hope would maybe come out cool, I spent maybe a couple hours prompting up about 100 different images. Out of all those there was only 5 images I actually even liked, I took elements from those 5 images, combined them, blending, editing, adding my own elements and details while refining the final image myself all by hand to clean it up and make it my own. Saving me an insane headache, a bunch of time, and made some nice money on a project that I very well maybe would have canceled if I had spent hours sketching on and ended up not liking what I came up with enough to permanently mark on someone and have them out walking around with my name attached to a garbage piece of art. Instead I made something cool. Saw 100 different ways I could have made it/or definitely didn’t want it to look like. And turned it into something I had a lot of fun creating and tattooing that followed the vision I would have had a hard time expressing otherwise.
Re: Talking Point: Does It Bother You That Big Games Companies Are Using GenAI?
As a professional artist and gamer myself, one that uses AI to help quickly create massive bodies of artwork/refrences/ideas to help fuel creative inspiration, as well as assistance for many other uses in everyday life. I think it would be stupid for them or any company not to use it. I think the people that are against it are mostly the people that are scared of the idea of AI and haven’t used it or just don’t properly know how to actually use it. Yes AI slop and laziness is a possibility for developers trying to cut corners and it will show. But games will quickly grow generations beyond anything we have now and the ones that will truly shine are the ones that will only be possible with that real human touch behind it all. If no one is aware, this years Coca Cola commercial is completely AI generated, however the team behind it made a post that yes it may be done with AI but it was 1000s of hours of that team behind the scenes prompting and tweaking everything over and over to create something truly special that followed what they envisioned. I think the gaming community needs to have much more faith in the developers using AI whos games are already something they love and have grown up with. It will only make them better and able to create things beyond what we could ever imagine. AI is not going away, y’all should learn to embrace it because the people that are using it now and learning it capabilities are going to leave behind the ones who aren’t in the dust. Sorry but it’s true.
Re: Talking Point: How Do You Define 'Retro'?
Of course anything 8bit/16bit.
I am okay with Nintendo 64/PS1 being called retro. Anything newer than those definitely not.
In no way at all is the GameCube retro….
Re: Talking Point: Should Nintendo Do More DLC For Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Or Just Release Mario Kart 9 Already?
***Pretty sure Im officially the only person to say and post this on the internet*** BUT...
>>>Why not bring MARIO KART further into the future, and kinda merge it into a spiritual F-ZERO sequel...?!!!?<<<
CRANK UP the SPEED!!
BLAST IT FULL of GLOWY COLORS!!
THROW IN some BURNOUT-esque crash sequences!!
AND GO WAAAAAAY OVER THE TOP with the WEAPONS, CHARACTERS, and CUSTOMIZATION!!! O.O
NINTENDO PRESENTS:
SUPER SMASH KART ZERO. 😎🙌
Re: Soapbox: The NYT Thinks We're Gaming Too Much, But It's One Of The Only Things Keeping Me Sane
Great article Kate, well said!! 🙌
Re: Rumour: Spider-Man Actor Wanted By Netflix For Possible Legend Of Zelda Movie And TV Show
Please NO... he does NOT fit Links character AT ALL. Please just do animated... pixar-esque or ghibli studio style... Link doesn't need to talk either. Anyone see Modest Heroes?? The two aquatic kids hardly speak a word except to call out each others names when they get separated, a beautiful ghibli style story told just through their expressions and the crazy events that transpire. A beautiful artistic film. Please please please do Zelda right....