The number of big Wii U exclusives that have still yet to receive Switch ports is well into single figures now, with Nintendo seemingly all too happy to continue queuing up its back catalogue and giving each title another chance at success (rightly so, in our opinion).
Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE is the latest game to get a second shot – or an Encore, as the new title puts it – and it probably deserves one more than most. Make no bones about it: the Wii U was already dead by the time this one launched, so this will be considered a first-time purchase even for many of those who owned Nintendo’s last system. With that in mind, let’s assume no prior knowledge for now, before we look into what’s new later on.

To explain the game’s plot fully would probably need a review twice as long as this one, but the general gist is that modern-day Tokyo is being plagued by Mirages, a bunch of ghost-like nasties who are sucking the energy out of humans (who are none the wiser as to what’s going on). You play as a bunch of Tokyo teenagers – led by a chap called Itsuki – who all have one thing in common: they’re secretly all Mirage Masters, which means they can merge with friendly Mirages and help them defeat the evil ones.
The twist is that most of these good guy Mirages are all represented by characters from the Fire Emblem series (specifically, characters from the first Fire Emblem on the Famicom and Fire Emblem: Awakening on 3DS). Each member of your party teams up with a specific Fire Emblem character, who essentially can morph into their weapon: Itsuki, for example, is accompanied by Chrom, who takes the form of your sword during battles. It’s the most enthralling "talking sword" gimmick we’ve seen since Sonic and the Black Knight.
Despite the game’s original working title of Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem, this crossover is far more a Shin Megami game than it is a Fire Emblem one. The inclusion of those Fire Emblem characters and the occasional burst of the familiar Fire Emblem theme is about as far as the game goes in terms of representing Nintendo and Intelligent Systems’ series, whereas there are far more links to Atlus’s games in here, not least of all the combat system.

As a result, any Fire Emblem fans hoping for a Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright-style crossover incorporating both series’ gameplay will be in for a shock, because they’ll find none of the Fire Emblem games’ traditional strategic combat in here. Instead, it purely focuses on a turn-based RPG battle system, as is common in Atlus’s titles. That’s not to say this is a particularly bad thing, of course: just that you should treat this more as a Shin Megami Tensei spin-off that happens to have Fire Emblem characters in it.
The battle system in question is pleasantly uncomplicated for the most part. Your party members are armed with the typical Attack, Item and Escape options you’d expect from a game of this type, as well as the ability to perform special ‘skills’ which use up points. These skills are where the game really comes into its own, because each of the attack-based ones make up one of ten different types of weapon or magic – sword, bow, spear, fire, electric and so on – and each enemy is weak (or resistant) to certain types.
If you can attack with a skill of a type that the enemy is weak to, you’ll not only do much more damage, you’ll also potentially trigger a ‘session’ attack: this means any other characters in your party who also have a skill of that type will then chime in with their own move, dealing even more damage.

It’s a simple but satisfying mechanic, and as you progress through the game you’ll find ways to build ever-larger session combos, and also integrate the ‘Ad-Lib Performance’ buff attacks and ‘Special Performance’ finishing moves to ultimately make your battles a cavalcade of over-the-top, flashy moments. If you’re the impatient type, the Switch version adds the ability to speed up the session animations if you feel they’re too long.
Battles more or less take place exclusively in Idolaspheres, spiritual realms where Mirages can be seen. Each Idolasphere essentially serves as one of the game’s dungeons, and as they appear all around Tokyo your aim is naturally to head in and clear out the evil. While the combat is entertaining and full of spectacle, however, exploring the dungeons themselves can sometimes be a little underwhelming. They often have their own little puzzles that have to be solved so you can progress, but these are rarely entertaining and you’ll find yourself praying they won’t take too long so you can get them out of the way and get on with the fun stuff.

And "fun" is absolutely the word when describing the majority of the game: not just in how it feels to play, but its overall presentation. With a plot based on Japanese idol culture, Tokyo Mirage Sessions is a constant barrage of colour, J-pop music and general unrepentant joy. Even during its less enthralling story moments or its more repetitive sections, it still does its very best to put a smile on your face with its constant positivity. You’re going to have a great time in this world, as long as you have a love for Japanese pop culture and anime (especially because there’s no English voice acting here, it’s Japanese only).
What if you already know all this, though? What if you already had the game on the Wii U and want to know what’s different here? Well, to its credit, there are one or two additions to the Switch port that may not necessarily be enough to justify playing through the entire game a second time for most people, but will please die-hard fans. Some of these additions are completely throwaway: for example, you can now choose whether Tsubasa wears glasses (which she didn’t do in the Wii U game), so fans of the bookish look can have their needs met there, we suppose.

Other changes include general tweaks to how the game’s played. As well as the aforementioned ability to speed up the session combo animations, the ‘Topic’ screen – which acts as your character’s mobile phone and lets you read through fairly entertaining text chats at various moments in the game – is now brought up with the press of a button, as opposed to simply being shown on the Wii U GamePad screen. Whether this is a good or bad thing depends on your own personal taste: we quite liked the double-screen gimmick.
Maiko, Tiki and Barry – who previously only featured as supporting characters – now get involved in battles from time to time, too. They can’t be added as proper, fully-fledged members of your party, but they can sometimes join in your session attacks, making for bigger combos. The game also adds some new songs, including ‘covers’ of existing ones sung by different characters. These are all welcome changes, if not groundbreaking.
The main new addition is a new ‘EX Story’, which includes a brand new dungeon called the Area of Aspiration and offers a little more backstory for the characters. It’s fairly short and lightweight but adds some extra detail to various characters’ relationships so fans should still get a kick out of it. It also lets you unlock some new costumes that are exclusive to the Switch version of the game.

Most of the previous DLC from the Wii U version is included here too, including the three ‘Mirage Hunter’ support dungeons which you could use to increase your stats and upgrade your skills fairly quickly. The only notable DLC that’s missing is the ‘Hot Spring’ set, which contained skimpy swimsuits for each of the characters. That’s because this is based on the western version of the Wii U game, which modified some of the outfits to make them a little less racy.
You’ll no doubt see some chat in the comments about how the censorship in this version is so outrageous that Nintendo and Atlus may as well have kicked your door down and slapped your mother right in the face, but the reality is that the few changes made don’t affect the game in any way, and simply make things a tad less creepy. Besides, this time Japan gets the ‘censored’ version too, so it’s not like there’s a special uncut Switch version the west is missing out on.
Ultimately, the new additions in the Switch version of Tokyo Mirage Sessions are almost entirely welcome, even if they don’t necessarily transform the game to the extent that those who spent upwards of 60 hours completing the Wii U version absolutely have to do it again. The reality is that those who’ll get the most out of the Switch port are those who didn’t play it on Wii U, but given that’s a fairly large percentage of the Switch userbase that isn’t much of an issue.
Conclusion
Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Encore is one of the most colourful, approachable and downright endearing RPGs you’ll find on the Switch. Its new story chapter, music tracks and character assists improve on the original to an extent, but not enough to greatly affect its overall quality. Thankfully, what was there was already fantastic, meaning those who missed out on it the first time around really have no reason not to get stuck in now.
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I didn’t like the idol crap any more than anyone else but the actual game play, dungeons, crafting, skills, and content was absolutely top-notch. This was my JRPG of the gen until DQXI came out and I will say with a straight face that I liked it more than Persona 5 (probably cause I’m a sucker for the more happy-go-lucky feel).
Got almost all of the achievements done on Wii U, now I’ll get them all done on Switch!
This may go on my wishlist, I dunno, not sure if I'd finish this game.
I may pick this up on the cheap because I already have the Wii U version. Everything feels better on my Switch!
Just bought it this morning! Can’t wait until Friday!
This games charm, gameplay, a e s t h e t i c s, and music were really amazing on the Wii u, can't wait to play this and see the new stuff in this version
For me it would’ve been a 9/10 or even a 10/10 if it fully had persona like social links next to the side quest system.
But allas, I still loved it on wiiU and will eventually buy it on switch.
Any word on framerates, framdrops and resolution?
I really would like it if ALL reviewers, on any game website would drop a simple senctence on those two.
The game may not have had a lot of Fire Emblem in it but it had more than what you are saying. If I’m not mistaken, even the main characters are based off Fire Emblem characters like Touma was Ryouma, Itsuki was Marty (or Ike?) and there was much more Fire Emblem stuff towards the end of the game
"Besides, this time Japan gets the ‘censored’ version too, so it’s not like there’s a special uncut Switch version the west is missing out on."
So hooray for censorship. Nice whiteknighting, I'll pass.
Think I'm going to skip this one, don't get me wrong, it looks fantastical, but it's just not for me.
@roboshort
Touma's spirit is Cain from one of the older Fire Emblems and Itsuki is Chrom.
I wasn't quite interested enough to grab it on the Wii U and honestly, I'm still not that interested now for whatever reasons. Got a lot of JRPGs I'd rather be playing, so I'll be passing it for now. I was kinda on the fence for a while but learning that it's still the censored version was the deciding factor in the end. If I ever find a really cheap copy I might grab it though.
I play most of my games in tabletop mode with no sound. I will lose most of the experience. Plus, I have Dragon Quest XI to scratch the JRPG itch for a long time.
@GamingFan4Lyf How come you don't play with sound?
@Seananigans If that was the original artistic vision of the developers, they might need to step away from the underage girls. Because it’s not like they only created that DLC to make more money off people who can’t get enough of questionably aged characters, is it?
Already got it pre-loaded. Will play on Friday for sure if the new Smash character isn’t out by then...otherwise it’ll have to wait a bit.
Not enough added for me to buy straight away by the sounds of it. Already played through it on Wii U. Will probably pick up when cheaper.
@nessisonett chill out man, the girl may look like 12 but she is 10 billion years old ackually. Also just because she had a swimsuit to battle in and now it its gone, they opress the creator and his vision.
I cannot enjoy a game with 10 billion year old girls looking like 18 because they are dressed properly. They need their underw... I MEAN swimsuits to let people enjoy the game properly.
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"Besides, this time Japan gets the ‘censored’ version too, so it’s not like there’s a special uncut Switch version the west is missing out on."
Japanese gamers had their very Japan-centric videogame, which is clearly aimed at a squarely Japanese audience, censored to fit a Western demographic. I'd take simply the Western version having cuts over both versions being censored. I'm indifferent to the changes myself but it's not rocket scientist to see how it's a little insulting to censor both versions. You can still like the game and condemn the censorship.
To my understanding the censorship changed the plot of chapter 2 and completely ruined it. A chapter that was on gravure modeling has now become something about wearing funny clothes instead? It's essentially similar to swimsuit models big in the states so I don't think it's that bad of a subject to tackle given its association with idols and idol culture.
Like most of the WiiU ports I'll be skipping this one since I have the CE edition on the WiiU. It's still in my backlog though so now might be a good time to play through it. As far as the censorship, it doesn't bother me since it did not affect the major story points or gameplay.
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The whole censorship thing is hilarious. This isn’t some work of art by gifted visionaries, it’s a piece of work designed to sell. And guess what, pandering to the lowest common denominator sells. The creeps who won’t buy because they upped the ages and tuned out teenage girls in bikinis deserve every insult they get. It’s good to have a company who won’t compromise for these folks.
I need to finish this on Wii u.
I got the limited edition for cheap
@Seananigans It wasn't "Nintendo Life", it was me. I wrote it, they published it. I think having young girls in swimsuits is creepy: if you disagree then your issue is with me, not the site as a whole.
@Discipledoctor Well how about the fact that they completely ruined chapter 2 with the censorship? Are we not allowed to complain about that?
I specifically came here to show my full support for the sub-header on this article:
"A perfectly Chrom-ulent port"
Keep up the
goodwork.@BenAV Because the missus is in same room watching TV. I don't wear headphones because I like to be able to engage in conversation as well.
@Seananigans That's... a ridiculous comparison. Swimsuits are expected at the beach, because that's where people swim and get a tan. Unless I missed a certain side-quest, there are no swimming or tanning mini-games in this game, meaning there's only one other reason the swimsuits are in there. And that's creepy to me.
This game is set in Tokyo (hence the name). The nearest beach to Tokyo is in Zushi, which is 41 miles away.
@GamingFan4Lyf Ah okay, fair enough.
@First_Amendment You lost me at "I've been an idiot before"
@scully1888
It's ridiculous for link to run around without pants and a shirt too in botw if he's going to fight monsters. I've seen women in everyday life not even remotely near wearing swimsuits so are they in the wrong? Beach episodes are staples of anime heck swimsuits are even unlockable in xenosaga. I don't think it's creepy given the fact of the beach dlc that you originally had to pay for to get said clothes!
@Seananigans If anything it's lecherous. There's literally no reason to have girls with ridiculous cleavages in swimsuits fighting off monsters in the streets of Tokyo. I don't mind the lightly dressed characters at all but saying it's perfectly normal or that you don't sexualize it is probably a subconscious lie.
Picking it up Saturday
Only on Nintendo Life where a reviewer gives a game an 8 and the fans of that game proceed to call said reviewer a pedo 😂😂
@Discipledoctor Achievements?
@TAndvig There are in-game achievements
>You’ll no doubt see some chat in the comments about how the censorship in this version is so outrageous that Nintendo and Atlus may as well have kicked your door down and slapped your mother right in the face, but the reality is that the few changes made don’t affect the game in any way, and simply make things a tad less creepy. Besides, this time Japan gets the ‘censored’ version too, so it’s not like there’s a special uncut Switch version the west is missing out on
Outright advocating censorship in your reviews now NintendoLife?
Screw off with this crap
@Zeuseksy
Wow! If you really need to see women in bikinis just go on the internet and google ‘ women in bikinis’ ........certainly not worth missing the game over!
As much as I want this in my ever growing backlog on Switch, I think I will wait for a sale as I do have this on Wii U... & I never got round to playing it then either ha ^_^
@cool_boy_mew How can you quote me and then ignore what I said? I'm not "advocating" anything, I'm just saying it's not the big deal people would inevitably suggest it is in the comments (which I've been proven right about).
I really liked this game the first time around, but I don't think there's enough new content to buy it again. And the "new game" price, doesn't help either. But people who didn't play it on Wii U, should give it a try.
Already pre-ordered and paid for. Will pick it up either Friday or Saturday, along with my Richter and Dark Samus amiibos. Awesome weekend incoming.
Loved it on the Wii U. Pre-ordered this one as soon as it was available! Can't wait to play through again! 10/10 from me for sure.
@cool_boy_mew I think they're just playing the diplomacy card and trying to alleviate any changes made, especially seeing as regardless which region you’re in, you can’t get an uncensored version on Switch. They’re not really advocating, they’re just being upbeat.
@Discipledoctor I just had to reply because I also enjoyed TMS#FE more than P5 despite not caring about the idol theme AND I'm a huge Mega Man fan with the BN and SF series as my favourites (which you have in your avatar).
@scully1888 So are you saying our complaints about how chapter 2 is ruined by the censorship, aren't valid? That's the impression I get by reading that snippet, and I hope I'm misunderstanding you.
@scully1888 While I would agree that, from a Western standpoint, the weird placing of little girls in bikinis nowhere near a body of water and regardless of the fact that they're not supposed to be little girls but ancient beings in the shape of little girls is a little sketchy, I do still think that at least a point should be detracted from the overall score for taking apart and/or disrupting the flow of the story as originally intended by its developers, and then replacing that infamous chapter with a completely disposable Westernized topic, that doesn't relate to the rest of the game at all.
And THAT is what we anti-censorship people are against. I don't care much for anime kiddies or censored anime boobs, and even if I did, there's always the internet, which would more than provide for that, so I don't need that in my games, but bolting on a completely disconnected, unrelated topic to a decidedly Japanese story and viewpoint, is weird. The game, or at least that part of it, was meant as a critique towards the entire idol industry, and the popularization of it, and that has now been replaced with a completely nondescript Western popularity contest or something.
So, yes, the original vision and intent of the artist is tainted, disrupted, censored. None of which is ever a good thing, in any scenario. They can keep their censored boobs, but just don't mess with the original story, please.
But I better get @NEStalgia in here, because he can explain it FAR better than I ever could.
@Anri02 he conveniently ignores any comment regarding story changes because he’d rather swing around his moral superiority by saying “ew, its creepy, ew i’m offended by female bodies in video games ew, your complaints are not important in the long run!!1!”
Played it on the wiiU a few months before the switch port was announced. Don't need to play it again but it is a good game
Don't be scared of fictional characters
@ThanosReXXX Oh dear, I happened to arrive, happened to click this article because I love the game, happened to read, and happened to scroll down to the bottom, and there in the last post, I'm mentioned. Quick! Tell me the lottery numbers!
@scully1888 But, yes, what Thanos is talking about, is that what's wrong with the "censoring" of this game isn't actually about censoring but about a localization fail. It may have originated from the idea to censor something, but it's not the actual censoring of culturally incompatible content that creates the change that's complained about in this game in terms of clothing characters differently, etc. It's the fact that they edited the story itself for a chapter to be an entirely different topic/theme, where it was at first social commentary on something that happens in Japan where a media idol is pressured into becoming a gravure model (not quite soft porn, not quite not, but a very risque modeling with a negative social connotation.) The issue is, the girls are pressured to do it by the agent/firm, they, along with the agent/firm make some quick cash selling out - and then their careers in media are pretty much annihilated forever. Idols have a a "sweetheart" image - gravure models are "shady." They don't tend to get culturally accepted again in the mainstream once they do that.
Chapter 2 was a commentary on that issue. Which doesn't make much sense in a western context - it did need to be localized to be relevant here. We don't have that same industry, and in the post Miley twerking world, I'd dare say gravure modeling would be less negatively viewed here than it is in Japan were it to exist.
But what they did was, instead of localize it to a more western understandable concept...say, just bikini/swimsuit modeling, or even just alluding to something risque without actually being direct, they edited the whole chapter into a Disney TV after school special about dressing in hip-hop clothing and "being yourself." But to make it worse, they didn't actually localize out most of the orginal content, so you still have swimsuit posters in the dungeon, male characters gawking comically at magazines while the girls react, etc. Which makes zero sense in the "dress street, yo, be true to yourself" wrapper story.
It's just kind of a mess. Plus as @Ralizah likes to mention, the really odd puritanical edits to overcompensate fear of the game's rating or something such as the "body suit wedding dress" - what real world wedding dress that kids have seen 100 times looks like that and has zero skin showing? It's like an Amish wedding. Even Mennonites show more skin....
Don't get me wrong, I adore the game entirely, but the people complaining about things they broke in it are, in this case, very right. It's not the "they removed the ancillary petting game" type situation like FE Fates. They edited main story in nonsensical ways, and recostumed things nonsensically for things that didn't need recostuming. WONDERFUL game still. But valid criticism.
I was mildy interested in checking this out on Wii U didn't get it, decided to pull the trigger for it here, though it is going on the back burner while I work on some other stuff like Tales of Vesperia i'm working through and some PC stuff i'm also working on lol. Hoping I enjoy it.
@scully1888
>and simply make things a tad less creepy
What is this then? What is this but not a written absolution of the censorship? If not outright saying "This censorship is ok because I don't like it". You just had to go and include this didn't you?
Couldn't have written this neutrally, no siree, gotta make a jab on the people who's mad about the censorship too and then making sure to let everyone know "it's not a big deal", despite clearly knowing it is. It's like this in every single one goddamn reviews on NintendoLife, the game is a tad ecchi and all the reviewers cannot contain themselves, just gotta go and show how much they loathe the subject matter in any ways possible
@cool_boy_mew because it is super creepy that there are dudes out there that are really angry that some cleavage was taken out of the game.
Like it’s preposterous how you people are really up in arms about it.
I can imagine if entire story sections were taken out, or the game was severely altered, but it wasn’t.
You get less boobs.
Get over it and get a girlfriend✌️✌️
@LUIGITORNADO “ I can imagine if entire story sections were taken out, or the game was severely altered, but it wasn’t.”
It absolutely was. Chapter 2 was completely ruined
Hope it sells better this time around. Will devote all of my free time for it on Friday.
I might grab this on Wii u once my backlog is cleared up. Rather save some coin.
@CorvoRevo I have it pre-ordered in a 3-for-111€ sale from Media Markt in Germany, so it's 37€ for me never had a WiiU, so basically new for me!
@sandman89 Gay means happy and that's what the author said the game is all about 🤓
@NEStalgia I think, respectfully, we're going to have to agree to disagree here. I said in the review that I didn't feel the changes affected the game and I stand by that (in terms of how it plays, I should specify). The second chapter may indeed have changed but as I stated, I find the content that was removed somewhat unsettling and as such don't feel its removal is problematic. As you say yourself, the original Japanese chapter 2 refers to a cultural phenomena that has no direct western equivalent in the west, so once again I don't feel its removal is particularly devastating. You may disagree, and you're absolutely entitled to, but my opinion is different and that's all a review is. Hope that's okay.
@NEStalgia Thanks for adding that, and the correction of it rather being a localization kerfuffle. Sadly though, there's already at least one person not accepting your explanation, or simply putting his or her fingers in their ears and saying "neneneneneh, come up with all the silly excuses you want, but you're still a pervert", or something like that...
@scully1888
Hey, I just wanted to say thank you for your honest and informative review. I know you're taking a lot of heat, but there are a bunch of us who are right there with you.
As a father of a young girl who also games with me (I am introducing her to a lot of appropriate RPGs as well), I completely agree with your stance and appreciate games that I am not embarrassed or appalled by to share with her.
She is smart enough to pick up on the creepy factor when friends of hers play games that have been "uncensored" from Japan. It was a tough conversation when one day she asked my wife and I why "Creepy Old Men like to look at little girls like her in games ". She has also asked why anyone would think that would be ok or legal. She is a very smart kid.
She has sadly picked up on that creepy vibe sometimes when we go to comic book shops or gaming stores, and we tell her to always trust her gut. She also told us she didn't want to go to a friend's house anymore because her friend's Dad always played "icky rpgs with little girls" when the kids were around.
Like I said, smart kid
@Anri02 lol okay, bud. Go emulate the game so you can play it in all its glory.
@scully1888
>As you say yourself, the original Japanese chapter 2 refers to a cultural phenomena that has no direct western equivalent in the west, so once again I don't feel its removal is particularly devastating
Do you know what I like in my foreign media? The foreign media. The fact that it's stemming from a foreign culture with foreign subjects and all that
Seriously though? A game about J-Pop and Japanese idols censoring something about J-Pop and Japanese idols is "not a big deal". Are you for real?
@scully1888 You say you don’t find what was removed from the second chapter problematic, but what about what it was replaced with? Are you saying the very poor quality substitute we got is ok, because you didn’t like what the original had?
@LUIGITORNADO Really? You have no argument against what I told you, so you went with that?
@scully1888 : “original Japanese chapter 2 refers to a cultural phenomena that has no direct western equivalent in the west, so once again I don't feel its removal is particularly devastating”.
Ikr, it’s not like the game takes place in Japan or something......or has the whole story revolved around Japanese only concepts like idols and j-pop......and has the whole style revolved around looking like a Japanese Anime game.......wait, how does this rebuttal make sense again?
@Itachi2099 I was responding specifically to the chap who conceded that it "didn't make much sense in a western context" and would need to be localised. If it had to be changed anyway, then changing it to a less creepy subject matter is fine by me.
@cool_boy_mew yeah, i like my japanese games based on japan to have japanese stuff not a "western equivalent" filler.
@scully1888 Going off your reply to itachi, are you saying that you believe that the writing of chapter 2 is fine because the original version creeped you out? In other words, I’m asking if you’re judging chapter 2 by what you played, or by what was in the original version?
In fact, some of the changes made from the original Japanese Wii U release ARE substantive, and DON'T just "make the game less creepy." And even when it just comes to the visual censorship, the changes made are often sloppy and somewhat baffling. If the reviewer insists on editorializing, I'd hope he would at least have the decency to be semi-informed about what he's discussing.
Anyway, long story short: the game is still good. It's a fun Atlus release. The changes made to the original Japanese Wii U release were and remain poorly handled. Both of these can be simultaneously true.
@NEStalgia I want a new skin for ZSS in Smash. Color her all-white and label her "Wedding Suit Samus."
@LUIGITORNADO Your responses make less and less sense as time goes on.
Edit: I see you edited your comment to try and make me into a pervert, because you could not argue my point. That is quite disappointing that you would lower yourself to that level, instead of engaging in an argument
“ The importance of the character development is that she overcame a fear”
And in the censored version of chapter 2, that fear she’s overcoming is non-sensical and dumb.
Censorship worldwide brings it down to a 0/10.
@Seananigans I didn't attack or demonise anyone. I find the idea of young girls in swimsuits creepy, that's it. That's the sole point I made, I said nothing about the players. You can draw whatever you want from that, but that doesn't mean you can put words in my mouth.
@scully1888 Well, then the better (or rather: more logical) choice would have been to Westernize the game completely, instead of only replacing one chapter with a completely unrelated and completely out of place substitute.
What if it was the other way around and a completely Western-made game had one chapter, rather intrinsic to the story as a whole, that was replaced with a chapter that was decidedly Japanese?
Again: we completely agree on the creepy little girl in bikini part, so no argument from me there at all, but as @NEStalgia explained, the replacement bit is just plain silly, out of place and above all rather incomplete, some might even say botched, because the rest of the game still goes on like it was supposed to, so it feels decidedly alien.
And needless to say, people that are into jRPG's, which are already niche, buy them BECAUSE of the Japanese content, NOT because they want it to be replaced/painted over with some cheap Western replacement bit...
On a side note: I'm also kind of sad to see so many people still not getting the actual point and thinking this is all about perverts wanting to play games with anime boobs in them. If anything, that close-mindedness is one of the saddest things about this, because it makes any rational and logical discussion about it nigh on impossible...
I played it on WiiU and the "censorship" changes nothing of the game that makes it fun. Not a reason not to play it.
Paying $60 to replay the same game I have in my closet (with a NEW rpg on the same day). Well, that totally a reason not to play it.
"The reality is that those who’ll get the most out of the Switch port are those who didn’t play it..."
It is insane that a massive chunk of the Switch so called support are for people who have not played games in the last 15+ years 🙄
@LUIGITORNADO Again, your responses make less and less sense as time goes on.
I really hope this game gets tons of sales this time around! Such a great game. Time to triple dip!
@scully1888 I know I asked this twice already, and I promise this will be the last time I ask this: Are you judging chapter 2 by the creepy stuff that was taken out, or by what you actually played? If we were to remove the knowledge of what the original version of the chapter was, would you still feel the same about the chapter 2 that you played?
@scully1888 Certainly, and I do agree with you that the gameplay was certainly not harmed in any way, and, I've mentioned many times in posts that the game remains one of my favorite RPGs of all time despite that!
But I do also think the criticism is fair as well. Of course the removed content was creepy - that's the point! It was supposed to be creepy! It was, as Atlus always does, intended as a poignant social commentary on the darker goings on in the industry, and in Persona fashion, crystalizing that social darkness into related shadows/demons/etc. I think that's what really harms it. A chapter that was intended as exploration of a related social issue to the characters portrayed roles and its manifestation of, say, "negative energy" into the dungeon/monster/possession motif (Persona standard concepts used throughout the game), was removed at the request of localization, and instead changed into not being a social commentary about anything at all, instead of being localized into a relevant social commentary. I.E. the actual intent of the story writers, to explore darker aspects that lurk inside the glamor, was overridden by localizers to not explore darker aspects that lurk inside the glamor, defeating the intent and the meaning of the dungeon and characters themselves.
While the west doesn't have the gravure issue specifically, it's not like our media industry doesn't have darkness behind the glamor to explore in the same context, just under slightly different conditions. We have similarly dark issues in our industry, just not the exact same situation as Japan, and the story could much more easily have alluded to western problems in entertainment explotation rather than gutting the actual intent of being a commentary on exploitation to begin with.
Imagine if Binding of Isaac were localized in Japan to be about wanting to be a rock star instead of it's actual themes?
Definitely buying it this time around after not getting around to picking up the Wii U version. Really digging some of the new SMT costumes.
Would have bought it if it was uncensored.
It's already on my Wish List, but I'll get it if it goes on sale.
@LUIGITORNADO While I agree, AGAIN, that the subject matter is rather sketchy, it WAS the original intent of the makers for that chapter to be a clear and visible commentary/critique on the whole idol/gravure industry, so that was the entire point of it.
Replacing it with something completely out of place and unrelated feels like bolting on the nearest thing you could find. You may not find it interesting or worthwhile, but whatever else, it was the original intent of the game, and as such, this botched localization doesn't really deserve any awards whatsoever.
JRPG's are already niche, so this game was never intended to cater to a large audience, so why even feel the need to soothe/appease the masses, just because certain people will be creeped out by something that's already decidedly Japanese? Nobody is forcing anyone who doesn't like it, to play the game, but people who are interested in Japanese culture and ideologies, and buy and play these games for those specific reasons, would rather prefer the original version of it.
And that's regardless of whether or not it contains uncensored boobs or not. I couldn't care less about that, but removing that specific (idol/gravure critique) part of the game does feel weird to people who are a bit more into Japanese culture as a whole, and who also get that it's not something put in there to cater to perverts, but to make a point about how seedy it all is, because the makers are fully aware of that, and by having that criticism in the original game, more people in Japan and outside of Japan became aware of how notorious this industry of idol/gravure modeling really is.
There's no direct Western equivalent of it, but if I have to name one that comes closest, then it would probably have to be the American mini-Miss contests, which are sadly still quite popular, and where (as you'll probably know) little girls are dressed and made up as mini adults.
@Anri02 My review is based on the game I played on the Wii U and played again on the Switch. I can't comment on the Japanese Wii U version because I don't speak Japanese. The game is an 8, in my opinion, based on the western version, and my only opinion on the cut content is that the subject matter is disturbing.
@LUIGITORNADO I'm starting to think the problem is localization realized modern westerners are incapable of understanding subtlety and metaphor.
The conflict and resolution in the original was based on struggling with the worry of the concept, the unknown, and effectively surrendering to the judgement of the public and losing her real carreer, it was a more "utopian" result of, after seeing that a certain other character she looked up to not only had done it but was top tier famous for it, and still remained a strong and influential figure, she took the proverbial bull by the horns and decided she could do it too, AND not be a social victim impacted negatively by it.
An unrealistic result in real Japan, but an idealistic result in line with the "feel good" theme of the game.
@NEStalgia I would be more inclined to believe the "but it's supposed to be creepy" argument if the game didn't also have swimsuit DLC. It seems like a case of wanting to have its cake and eat it too, and if the alternative is it being starved of any of that sort of thing I don't mind that.
@scully1888 I didn’t ask about the game as a whole, I asked about chapter 2
@Seananigans I'm not going to continue to discuss anything with you. Other people are capable of having civil debates without going down the "you're either a horrible journalist or a liar, which is it" route. I'm not to blame if you (wilfully?) misinterpret the things I write. I won't be discussing the matter any further: the review speaks for itself.
@Anri02 And I answered you. Chapter 2 is part of the game, so when my answer is about the full game, take it as a given that I'm including chapter 2 in that.
I wish there was a demo to try first.
@LUIGITORNADO I don’t care about the gravure modeling, I care about what was put into the game. You have made clear you don’t like this game at all, so why should I trust your analysis, when you can’t even grasp that this whole time my complaints are about what was put in and not what was taken out?
Wow. I hope all this attention translates into sales.
I understand why the game was censored, and that perhaps it could have been handled in a way that is more in line with the overall themes/message in chapter 2.
It won't stop me buying the game. Any big media release with management and economics involved will have a series of compromises from the original vision. Almost all of which we will never hear about.
The game looks great.
@scully1888 But I want to know your thoughts on chapter 2 specifically. Every time you’ve talked about it, you talk about what was taken out, you never say anything what was put in.
yeah i don't support censorship
None of the CONS on the list bother me in the least bit. To me, those aren't cons lol.
I'm looking forward to getting this game!
@scully1888 Similar to what I explained to LuigiTornado above, technically that isn't in direct conflict. While I agree, we could do without the whole swimsuit DLC thing, which is creepy, it also doesn't conflict with the result of the original story, which was effectively that after the internal struggle, she realized that she could do it while still being in control, rather than as a victim, like her mentor. To a degree a resolution to "flaunt it if you've got it" rather than being a victim to the pressure. To use the classic era hollywood motif as a comparison, choosing to be a Sophia Loren instead of a Marylyn Monroe? Not the best example, but hopefully the idea comes across.
Yes, we all know that swimsuit DLC targets a certain customer in Japan, and that is in conflict with Western values. But at the same time it doesn't run in conflict to the original theme, where the resolution was not to decide she doesn't have to do it but to decide that she can do it on her own terms and with her own attitude and not be a victim to those pushing the decision.
Not great writing, but none of the game had great writing. It was, as you say, feel good writing. And that's a feel good resolution to that storyline that also didn't sidestep dark commentary Atlus is known for, at the same time.
The crux is we're talking about a localization team that took creative authority over the theme and intent of a story chapter, overstepping their bounds by changing the actual intent and mood of a chapter, not just the content.
I don't hold anything against the gameplay or my enjoyment of it due to this, either. But I maintain the criticism over what happened is valid and a cautionary tale. Localization should not be given leeway to change the. Content, yes. Theme and tone, no. Their job was to find a suitable replacement that kept the theme of a commentary on the exploitation under the surface in the glam entertainment field that could be edited in place or worked with Atlus. They did a poor job and overstepped that goal.
The game is wonderful. I'd buy it on every platform. But that doesn't mean ignoring a serious complaint. I don't think it should affect your review in a negative way - though even in the absence of knowledge of what happened, he story of chapter 2 is broken on many levels, and it happens to be a result of that, and probably should cause a review ding for incongruent storytelling/theme in chapter 2. What they took out doesn't matter. What they changed it to, however did not match the theme, mood, dungeon, or character roles, and broke its own storytelling several times by reverting to the original content in a context in which it didn't make sense.
@Ralizah Smash is a game for good boys and girls of all ages. Also, here's a double-D in a catsuit.
@ThanosReXXX If you don't like a theme around extreme anxiety due to being abducted with the ransom that you wear baggy pants and track suits, then you're a pervert that wants anime upskirts!
That's what every discussion of this chapter always feels like....The above would only be a nightmare for Joan Rivers.
@Discipledoctor The battle system imho was better, or at least more engaging with more layers than Persona 5. On the flip side, the dungeon design of P5 has TMS#FE beat, but then again the latter was kinda the prototype for P5. Anywho, both games are great, both are very similar, with just enough differences to make them their own thing and only one is available on a portable!
@LUIGITORNADO "All I'm saying is that the original context of chapter was of Gravure modeling isn't relatable, and it certainly isn't relatable to you, so complaining about it doesn't make sense."
Somehow missed this snippet earlier, and all I can say is, are you serious? Just because I can't relate to something, means I can't complain about it if it's of poor quality? What are you thinking with this argument?
@NEStalgia Yeah, I know. It's sad that the "defenders" can't come to any further conclusion than: "eh, whatever, you're a pervert", instead of looking at what is actually going on.
I almost feel like I must apologize for dragging you in here to try and bring some sense to the masses, but it kind of was against my better judgment. Guess I got caught up in my enthusiasm again, the enthusiasm of "hey, it's a new year, let's give 'em the benefit of the doubt"...
Entertaining comments.
Alright, time for my opinion!........ Never mind it seems most of "my" opinions are in the comment section already.
Just gonna say this is a great game regardless of the controversy!
@Anri02 I have no strong feelings on chapter 2 as it stands. If I thought there was anything wrong with it I'd have said so in the review.
@ThanosReXXX I really wish you'd stop putting words in people's mouths. At no point have I said "you're a pervert". I find the cut content unsettling, it's as simple as that. Painting yourself as a victim of verbal abuse and bringing other people into the chat to argue on your behalf isn't the way to get someone to sympathise with your viewpoint.
@Anri02 Isn't it about time we just get a achievement system on Nintendo in general? I would even go for a bad copy cat of Playstation's trophy system. Any system that covers most of the games on the Switch. I used to hate and really dislike Trophies, but Nintendo Switch just started a passion in me, I didn't know I had.
@Baker1000 yea it's entertaining but it kind of takes away from the the game itself. I don't have an opinion with regards to censoring or non-censoring in this game but I can see both sides. Lately, these comment sections have gotten out of hand, so while yes they're entertaining, it gets frustrating to see after a while.
If someone had said to me last year that in 2020 you’ll be on a comments section on Nintendolife reading about perverts, paedos, girls in bikinis and creepy men I would’ve laughed in their face.........but here we are!!!
Thanks for the review, though I don't agree with a couple of points. I picked up the Wii U original recently, and this helps reinforce my decision; while some of the changes in the Encore version are nice and welcome, there aren't many differences between the two to where I feel like I need to have the Switch version.
I'm sure I'll enjoy my time with this quirky, unique game when I get around to it. For now, it has been added to the backlog.
The problem all here is this is a Japan game where it roots are. And gamers and buyers alike should be the one to decide what games they want and whom they should self censor. To Censor the game even for skin flick is just pathetic and childish. NA are importing their own morals when they should look at putting their own house in order first. As I mentioned this isn't about the "Censorship" but how others seem to think they know better and can be our "Censorship Bureau". That's that part those complaining are saying. If we want to "True" censorship then all blood/gore games and movies and language online/print should be "Censor" all at the same time not just oh let's "Censor" this game because we can think better for you. That's the part I find annoying and total PO attitude that is why we end up as we are on this forum.
Censorship so skip this time.
This censorship sucks but that ain’t the reason I’m not getting the game. I had this on Wii U and it was just ok. I couldn’t really get into it. The game isn’t for me and I found the game to be somewhat boring and strange, censored or not. I’ll stick with Persona 5.
@LUIGITORNADO Reading your last post, I feel there's misunderstanding among some people on what the original chapter was about still.
"Girl doesn't want to be photographed in a swim suit, creepy photographer forces her hand to take pictures in a swimsuit, girl overcomes her fear and gives the abuser WHAT HE WANTS."
No, the "girl" fears for the social and professional implications of marketing herself in a gravure role and context, plus her own shyness at the idea is in conflict with a managerial figure coercing her to. It has nothing to do with the swimsuit. Normal idols wear swimsuits in music videos & promo shoots and the like as normal costuming. Normal CHILDREN are photographed in bikinis IN THE WEST for clothing and retailer ads. The swimsuit has absolutely nothing to do with anything on either continent. It was about the CONTEXT of the shoot, not the swimsuit attire (which was already "censored" even in the Japanese concept - gravure is more than just swimsuits, though not necessarily nudity - it's about context.)
And the "girl" is a young woman in the entertainment industry of the legal age of consent and marriage in their respective versions of the game. 17 (well over consenting age) in Japan. 18 ("barely legal" as they would call it) in the US. A real-life barely 18 Tsubasa living in Des Moines could legally be a hardcore porn star. I think people are misunderstanding the ages and contexts.
The swimsuit was never part of the story, and was always softened. At her stated age, she could be a full nude pinup, nude webcam streamer, signed porn star in either country, legally, without it being "creepy." The story was about her internal conflict and discomfort with doing it, and being coerced into choosing, versus resolving she WANTED to do it.
The UNmentioend aspect of the story, that one can surmise it hints at, that is a real problem in the Japan is prostitution. It's a badly kept secret that the Yakuza have some influence among some idol agencies and that an unspoken "contract" for some idols is to be traded as "escorts" for certain individuals. The game did not directly touch on that, but one can surmise it's implied, and is a lot more relevant than even the gravure aspect in terms of coersion. You have to kind of fill in some blanks with the vagueness in aspects.
But the argument you and others are framing isn't based on accurate or even valid points. If you don't even have the context of what the original story was about, how can you frame an argument against what was unsuited for localization about it? Your frame of reference is an erroneous analysis of both what the story was about, and therefore what the localization team wished changed, why, and how on earth they could have taken a serious context and changed it to what they did?
I.E. In a more hardcore, and more western context, imagine a storyline where one of the stars from the cast of High School Musical (who are all probably 27, but let's pretend they're really the 18 they portray) decided to do a full nude Playboy spread. Now imagine a storyline where she was forced by a Harvey Weinstein character to do it or else her career is finished - but in reality her real career would be finished either way. Which is different than "star from HSM decides to get piercings, tattoos, and go sign up as a porn star, and will be leaving the cast immediately." Both are legal, valid roles, but since the latter role has a negative social context it impacts her life in terms of public perception and ability to get work in her original line of work. Doing it because it's what she wants to do is different than being coerced into it. Self-reflection and deciding it's something she DOES want to do anyway, but on her own terms with her in control is something different, and is merely a choice.
In Tsubasa's case, it was the realization that her mentor was one of the top people in the gravure world, but is still famous and powerful in the business - wanting to follow in her mentor's steps she committed to doing it anyway, but effectively using it as an opportunity rather than being used and discarded. Not unlike a few of Weinstein's targets, albeit, in the game's context, without having to actually sleep with the creeper.
Your argument of "creepy story about a girl in a swimsuit being photographed against her will" isn't even the cliff notes understanding of either the story or what was changed and why. It's just a fictional argument that lines up neither with the story, or the real life equivalents either in Japan or the US.
TL;DR The swimsuit isn't the story. Swimsuit photography are normal for idols/models/child models even in the US. There's nothing creepy about an 18 (US)/17 (JP) year old doing swimsuit, nude, or even pornographic media material. Plenty of 18 year olds are doing exactly that, and making more money than you or I by doing so, right this very minute, right here in the U S of A. It may be "socially frowned upon" in both places, but that's not the same as "creepy". The "creepy" aspect comes in the form of being coerced by a sleazy guy in a managerial/agent/influential/gateway position whom it is implied may have "personal" desires as well - which would be perfectly legal if consensual....or...manipulated consent is achieved...)
THAT is the original chapter 2. We can call it "institutionalized Weinsteining under slightly different and Japan-industry-specific circumstances."
Not the girls in bikinis, not their ages, not the photoshoot. The context of being coerced, implied alternate intentions by the manipulator, and the character's ultimate resolution to go ahead with that risque shoot on her own terms, and still not be seen negatively by the public.
Yes the story involved kidnapping, but that was the shadows in every dungeon holding the characters hostage/kidnapping them as part of the game arc, not specific to this scenario alone.
And all in all, the game is not ruined in terms of enjoyment overall by it, though Chapter 2 feels like something you get through just to get through because the "new" story is just an awful, half-baked, barely completed piece of nonsense you get through just to get to chapter 3 and continue the joyride.
"You’ll no doubt see some chat in the comments about how the censorship in this version is so outrageous that Nintendo and Atlus may as well have kicked your door down and slapped your mother right in the face, but the reality is that the few changes made don’t affect the game in any way, and simply make things a tad less creepy. Besides, this time Japan gets the ‘censored’ version too, so it’s not like there’s a special uncut Switch version the west is missing out on."
Yeah and if I recall correctly, Japanese fans responded by not buying the Switch version and instead opting for their uncensored Wii U version.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/10/uncensored_version_of_tokyo_mirage_sessions_fe_becomes_best-selling_wii_u_game_on_amazon_japan
So yeah. Japanese gamers don't like their games being censored any more than we do. Imagine that.
Good riddance on the censoring. Wish they did the same for certain characters in Xenoblade Chronicles 2, especially Pyra. Destroys the immersion for me. If I ever want to watch hentai my video games are the last place I'll look for it.
Had this on WII U and it was fine for 10 hours or so and got stuck on a puzzle on chapter 2 and never returned. give us persona 5 and make it the new royal addition please.
@Sculptor You don't have to worry about getting close to hentai. The Japanese ratingboard Cero is even stricter on nudity than Pegi and ESRB. You could'nt get uncensored eroge on consoles even if you wanted it.
Shame there is no English dub, wonder if they will patch it or have voice over dlc?
@bones Pyra was great and one of the reasons to buy switch after watching zeno trailer on yt,
The biggest problem I find is that weebs have this mentaility of every japanese game, manga, anime, being something sacred, untouchable, free of all criticism because how we dare as filthy westerns to question the almighty japanese creators and always whiteknighting the culture as something completely different, values dissonance being a non issue, etc. And sure thing both cultures are vastly different but just like they can pass judgement about us, our society, our entertainment we can do just as much with them, but always with respect which is what is sorely missing in this comment section
Now personally I couldn't care less about the changes, as a big Atlus fan this was my most desired game from WiiU but never felt like buying the console so this port is a godsend. If others do have a problem with it they should just ignore it altogether, it's futile to still being sour just two days before release, even worse spewing all kinds of insults or attacks to people who will buy it
@Onion With respect, I hardly think the Japanese Wii U charts were white hot in October 2019. Three people could have bought a copy and they would be enough to take it to the top of the charts: that isn't any evidence of any sort of mass protest, that's a couple of angry guys.
Oh lord these comments...
I just hope people will give this game another chance. I don't like the changes either but it's still a good game and they're adding new story content so it evens out.
@KoekiieWoekiie Love how you got downvoted a bunch because "HOW DARE YOU" mention questions about performance of a game on a Nintendo fan news site. I'm curious about this too, because in the videos and screenshots I've seen (which aren't accurate obviously) the game looks kind of reallllly soft. Seems like a minor complaint, but if the animations are frantic enough, that kind of dull softness feels really bad on your eyes after awhile.
@Onion So japanese gamers riot every time a new Resident Evil, or should I say Biohazard releases there? They ALWAYS get the censored versions to accommodate CERO ratings, even the "uncut" releases are way less graphical than western editions
And honestly Amazon is a non metric because it doesn't give you concrete data of how many copies were sold, could been dozens or thousands, maybe a handful. The lowest places on Oricon, Media Create or other japanese sales charts are in the order of 1000 copies and it didn't chart in any of them
@scully1888 Well, I wasn't referring to you when I said that. You're simply the writer of the article. What I meant with "defenders" is the NLife members in the comments section who can't come up with anything more original than that the people criticizing this version of the game must surely be sick or delusional people.
EDIT:
I also definitely wasn't painting myself as a victim here, but I won't take offense because with so many people addressing you, you may have possibly confused me with someone else. For what it's worth: I just wanted to inform people or at least explain about the REAL reason that some of us are disappointed in the rather unnatural changes in this version, that's all.
And besides: I actually did agree with you on the little girls in bikini point, so I'm really not as hostile towards you as you seem to think I am.
i'm not buying this garbage but even I know it shouldn't be full price
Oooo this thread is great lol here with my corn of pop reading through, the part I don’t understand is have they changed the story a bit to the original or is it that you can’t play as a tween in a bikini?
If the latter, then it’s even more hilarious that some of these single basement gamers are so angry!
Incoming minus likes in 3 2 1
@ThanosReXXX “ I don’t much care for anime kiddies or anime boobies”
So just a lil bit then?
P.s I am joking and not implying you like anime kiddies
@Kr96 @scully1888
Yet there were enough people upset about the change to issue a translation patch that essentially undoes all of the censorship changes and the localisation also initially disappointed the game's co-director, the latter of which is even visible in the link I left. Also the RE games are censored due to violent content, totally different issue. Literally has nothing to do with the discussion. Whether or not it was enough sales on Amazon to make a difference also doesn't really matter, the point is still the same. It was enough for it to be the number one seller for a time on Amazon Japan, meaning it was selling more than games like Splatoon. It's almost as if people don't like censorship.
The point I'm making is that while you're trying to downplay the censorship fiasco, it was bad enough that Nintendo themselves issued an apology about it in Japan when Jap gamers realized they were getting the censored version. It isn't the non-issue you're making it out to be, even if you don't care that much personally. You can't just downplay this as a bunch of Nintendolifers being angry in the comments, it was a legit issue back then and it's a legit issue now. As @NEStalgia and @ThanosReXXX pointed out, this goes way beyond taking out a boob slider or some silly face-touching mini game. Justifying it because everyone is getting a censored version is utterly ridiculous. This game is from the Nintendo Treehouse era of censorship and frankly shouldn't even be censored in either region in the first place.
@Deathwalka Tweens? They're like 16-17 minimum. No "Tweens" here
What's even more ridiculous, with aging everyone 1 year, some characters are still 17???
Ahhh current year, where bikinis are inherently sexualizing fictional characters and is associated with defenders described as "sick people."
But murdering fictional characters and sexualizing men is cool. Cause somehow the common factors are apparently made of straw.
@Deathwalka I like boobies, but I prefer real ones over anime ones, and I don't need to have the latter in my games...
@Zeuseksy I bet the Japanese are also delighted about getting the censored version
@Onion I'm not downplaying anything, japanese fans are mad thus Nintendo offered the refunds. Of course it would be better if didn't get altered (why would you think otherwise), problem is people are completely disregarding the game as trash solely because of censorship, purposefully ignoring the aspects that make it a solid title. Some of us are willing to give it a chance which doesn't automatically mean we are censor happy, and yes, RE has everything to do, it's another form of censorship but the games still manage to sell great there
@Seananigans @zeuseksy ‘ Get your heads out of your asses’. but that’s were they play their Switch games
This seems like such an odd hill to make a stand on, when it comes to feeling slighted with what is really just a piece of entertainment.
It reminds me of the Great Super Mario controversy of 1988, when Nintendo had the gall to give poor Americans a totally different version of Super Mario Bros. 2, and we all screamed censorship... except that didn't happen. Almost everyone I know who played it loved it actually..
Then, when the Japanese version of 2 came out as The Lost Levels, there was this resounding and triumphant cry of "Huh..." and we all went back to playing Super Mario World.
Also, during the same console generation, Tecmo gave us a MUCH more difficult version of Ninja Gaiden 3: Ancient Ship Of Doom. Oh, how I wish they would have given us the game that was the original vision of the creators, because maybe then I would have been able to beat it . The US version was brutal... because CENSORSHIP!!!!
That was my daily allowance of sarcasm for the day.
@cool_boy_mew is that how much they aged them by? That actually is hilarious!
But I say that because 18 is the legal age here for most things but I guess many countries have even lower then that or older.
@ThanosReXXX yeah real ones are the best but some anime ones are pretty great too, just watch “shougeki no soma” lol
@scully1888 you’d look lovely in a bikini
@Kr96
To be clear I was merging my response to you and Scullie at the same time since you quoted me at the exact moment I was responding to him. Probably should have done individual responses. The majority of my post is intended for @scully1888. I just threw your name in there at the last minute to go ahead and address both at once.
But yeah If your stance is that it would be better if not altered, that's completely fine. People trashing on the game itself because of censorship is not cool, I agree. We're pretty much in the same camp there, sorry for not being more clear in my original post. My issue is with the logic that censorship of the game is somehow okay and that people upset about it are somehow perverts etc. This is complete nonsense and it goes far beyond wanting to see anime girls in swimsuits or whatever.
EDIT: @Guitar_bard Someone out there actually did a patch for Ninja Gaiden 3 called Ninja Gaiden 3 Restoration, simply fixes the game's brutal difficulty down to the Japanese version while still keeping the English translated text. It's pretty awesome and it made me a fan of the game. Ninja Gaiden 3 in the US was nearly unplayable for me but the Japanese version is so much more manageable and just fun to play. (Also for what it's worth, I prefer the US Mario 2 over the Japanese Mario 2.)
The Switch has a plethora of games and I’ve got enough to last it’s life span. I’m only ever going to buy original titles as long as the get good reviews and I like what I see.
The lack of a dub addition is the single greatest strike against this rerelease IMO. Leave the music tracks in Japanese, but everything else should be voiced since so much dialogue would be missed during battles
Not one I’m particularly interested but a good choice for a Port. No good game should be stuck on the Wii U anyway but an RPG released late in the systems life was always going to fail. This Switch version has a much better chance of finding a new audience.
@Guitar_bard I saw you wrote you were sarcastic, but as far as Super Mario bros. 2 goes, its not similar case to TMS#FE. If you do two completely different games and give them the same name, you made two different games.
@Jayvir
They wouldn't do it halfway like that. It's all dub or no dub. I get what you're saying but it'd be a disservice to the work to not translate the songs as well.
Having just watched a comparison video of the censorship, I’s say I’d rather play the censored version. The original version is definitely sexualised, and it feels uncomfortable to me since the character is a child. I can’t comment on the plot changes, but, again, it sounds like the original involved young girls dressing in a sexualised way, so happy to skip that to be honest.
@tobibra
You are absolutely right. It is a different situation, but I feel it was a little appropriate, given the backlash I have read about that situation more recently.
Here is maybe a better example, from a creator's standpoint. As a person who creates, releases, and licenses my music out, sometimes my "original vision" isn't always the best. My Producer is one of the most important resources I have, because sometimes keeping a different viewpoint in mind helps to still get my broad strokes on the musical canvas and refine it further.
Same goes for licensing. I know that if I choose to license my music for film or tv, then a song maybe edited, cut, remixed, etc. It isn't my "original vision", but is a choice I have to make if I want my work to reach more people. When I am not willing to do that with certain music, I keep it indie.
If it is as big a deal to the creators of this game, they have that choice as well. Has anyone asked the actual team what they thought about these localization changes?
@Dunan I’m not talking about the mirage. I’m talking about Touma. He looks like Ryouma and his name is similar so I’m pretty sure the character was based off Touma. The same goes for Itsuki.. He looks like the main protagonist of several Fire Emblem games. I think many other characters are probably as well (even Chiki-p) but haven’t looked into it.
@Guitar_bard I can't say with 100% certainity, but I know Atlus took the blame so to say back on Wii U, and I think Japanese people has tried to ask why they got the western version on Switch, without getting any answers. I honestly can't prove any of that now, but I think I read that's the case.
My honest guess (and it is only a guess) is that while they individually might not be happy about it, they won't say either way because Nintendo pays, and maybe NDA's saying they can't talk or something similar.
@First_Amendment I don't know how you expect people to be able to read this mess. At least make the effort to break it up into paragraphs so it's legible.
The eye strain is real.
Guys, one simply question: this or DQXI SE? 🤔
@brema82 DQXI all the way, much more solid RPG with much more to do
I have this on Wii U and loved it. Had it pre-ordered for switch until i found it was the censored version. I decided not to buy. For me, there is no reason to purchase again, if it is the same. Especially since I bought the DLC for the Wii U version. If you haven't played this game, give it a go. It's pretty amazing. It's easy to learn the fighting system, and it isn't a super grindy game to power up. Wait a sec, my dlc made it easier to power up, so maybe that's a lie. But I know for me the game never felt like a chore like a lot of these games can.
The whole boobies / swimming costume issue has really got the teenage boys testosterone flowing on here tonight.
There’s some seriously sexually frustrated people on here using censorship as a jumping off point for their own disappointment!
They can release DLC with censored content in it and then people can choose which version to play. Just cut the content is so stupid
It's a bummer for Japan who are getting a lesser version of the original being the censored western version.
"but the reality is that the few changes made don’t affect the game in any way, and simply make things a tad less creepy"
Yeah, a couple of small changes, for example, a whole chapter turned into a theater of idiocy.
@brema82
DQ for sure,this game mediocre at best.
To the people who plays this game.
I want to know, does the combat in this game get boring? Like is the fighting style good?
I mean, I was already sold, but glad to see it reviewed well.
And if NintendoLife is giving an anime-like game an 8/10 you know it must be good. They generally dock points just for that style alone.
Bought it on Wii U, already preordered for Switch. Love this game and fully intend to play it again whilst imagining everyone else playing it wearing skimpy underwear at a breathtaking 1080p/30fps. Near naked nerds are always hottest at 30fps.
@Mr_Persona
Never because you have to be on your toes and think carefully. It's just as much action as it is strategy.
@Kuroki theres plenty of uncensored games on the switch you can play and more to come theres nothing wrong to have some games like this tone down on the skin showing even though i despise censorship in general.
Here's my thought on this debacle based from what I understand about Japanese idol industry. Them having bikini photoshoot is common practice, even if said idols are below 18. Is it wrong, creepy, and form of sexualization? Maybe for us but look at it from their perspective. Bikini and swimsuits are just that, another costume to wear just like school uniform and french maid. Idols are often portrayed as pure and innocent even when they wear stuff that other culture might labeled as not for innocent girl.
But it exposes more skin than other costumes, you might argue. Yes, but exposed skin = sexual is more of western idea. No, I'm not trying to normalize or justifying it but think about it, you can sexualize anything including perfectly fine outfit like school uniform with proper knee-length skirt. Have you heard 'Zettai Ryouiki'? It fetishized a sliver of skin shown between the edge of the skirt and knee socks. That's just one example of how you can sexualize everything even mundane stuff...or being too sensitive and called everything as sexualization because it doesn't align to your moral and cultural compass.
These teen idols who did release swimsuit photobooks (called 'gravure'), they don't face stigma associated to porn actresses or sex workers. They moved on later in life, having successful career in mainstream entertainment or retreated back into private life but nobody would debase or insult them behind their back. Yes there's always deranged or obsessive fans but they got nothing to do with the fact that the idols they worship exposed their skin or not.
You might think it's bad because swimsuit modelling like this can be gateway to something raunchier like actual porn but here's a fact: of all hundreds or even thousands of teen idols who most of them did some gravure only very few of them actually ended up doing porn. An industry with much stricter regulation, and those women only do it later in life in their mid-twenties and only because they're losing relevancy.
So yeah, bikini photo shoots are part of normal idol business. It's hard to accept or understand it for us non-Japanese, yes, but so does other very Japanese things in the game including the concept of being an idol itself. If the publisher is afraid that western audience "won't get it", then don't cherry pick and go all out pulling stuff like Persona 1 or Phoenix Wright: change the setting to America and rename the characters with western name. This kind of half-assed indecisiveness is what I don't like with this kind of censorship, not just the actual subject that got cut.
If I want to see all that idol industry (or Japanese culture in general) the game can offer, then give them all. Good or bad, right or wrong, disturbing or not, just let me see and experience them in entirety because I'm an adult and I know everything is not all sunshine and I'm also aware there are cultures and mindset out there that will clash with mine.
Excellent game and I'm glad it's getting a second chance. The haters can suck it.
Finally a RPG to Keep you going. It’s not really all that censored.
Just about everyone has been aged up a year, from 16, 17 and 18 to 17, 18 and 19.
Several hundred lines of dialogue were re-recorded to reflect both the age changes and other tweaks to the story.
Skirted costumes that would have shown underwear during acrobatic moves have been obscured via black void.
And a third dungeon with more clothes
I am all right with that and know Atlus and I know a good RPG when I see one.
@JR150 sorry that doesn't really answer my question, but thx for trying anyways!
@roboshort
Sorry, I did misread your post but in a coincidence Touma actually looks more like Cain than he does Ryoma as well.
@Dunan Yeah. It's possible the characters in Mirage Sessions weren't just based on one Fire Emblem character, but rather multiple characters (like Itsuki could have been based on Ike, Marth, and Chrom)... but I'm pretty positive they were made to be modern day versions of Fire Emblem characters... where some examples like Tiki-p or Touma are more obvious.
@roboshort
Yeah, I mean Tiki is Tiki so there's no disputing that.
I'm not too sure of the other characters, been awhile since I've played to be honest and I can't remember what they look like.
Why can’t I downvote my own comment? This post brings absolutely nothing to the debate, and I can’t even register my displeasure.
@KoekiieWoekiie Well it was amazing on wiiu so that's pretty much all you need to know.
@roboshort
Touma is literally modernized Sylvain. Down to the hairstyle/color, main weapon(Lance), main magic attacks(fire), character arcs involving flirting and being a general loveable annoying best bro.
When I heard about Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, I was beyond excited. The excitement quickly turned to disappointment after a lengthy period of radio silence and then the reveal of Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE. As a fervent SMT fan, I was hellbent on hating the game. After hearing positive things about the game, I eventually folded and picked it up close to its release on the Wii U and, much to my surprise, had a lot of fun. I will state the following: 1. The game's story is fairly negligible. 2. The characters adhere to longstanding tropes, which can be grating. 3. The game suffers from pacing issues, primarily in the later sections when you have to backtrack a bunch. These points may sound like huge detractors, but the combat and progression of your characters is the very engaging and fun. I found myself spending hours fighting enemies and expanding my arsenal of skills to make more impressive sessions in combat. Progressing the story felt like more of a secondary concern.
People who feel strongly about the censorship of this game have a right to their opinion and their refusal to spend their money on a censored game is perfectly valid. Honestly, I could not care less about the censorship. Yes, censorship is a bad thing and the way this game was censored is downright silly, but it did not impact my overall enjoyment of the game. I held out with hopes of this game being ported to the Switch and I am quite glad it is almost here.
Great review.
However I don't think the reviewer actually played the WIiU port. If they did, they would have noticed the low frame rates and long load times. The Switch port supposedly fixes most of this basicly by being better hardware.
Important information left out of the review.
@DrJon216
People are entitled to their own opinion even if that opinion is frivolous and pointless. People are also entitled to hold someone to account for that opinion.
The review says it well. The censorship happened but the only people who will be bothered by it are pervs who are breast obsessed. The rest of us will enjoy the game as it is.
@Deathwalka Never heard of that particular series before, but I'll put it on the "to check out" list...
@Onion Thanks for being one of the clear-headed ones in this comments section, who doesn't confuse people disappointed in a botched localization with perverts that want animated boobs or kids in bikinis.
@Guitar_bard While you do make some valid points in general, one important difference to keep in mind in this particular case, is that the original, untouched version of the game was already officially released in Japan on the Wii U. They had the version as the game was intended.
Then the Western version of the Wii U game was localized/changed with that alternate chapter, and now with the Switch edition both the Western regions AND the Japanese are getting the inferior Western localized version, so while for us in the know it's annoying to again get that botched version, it's even worse for the Japanese, because most who will know of this game were always able to play it completely intact, as intended, and now they'll get a version that will be even more inferior to them than to us.
So, in short, this is not a case of an artist having a vision and then a director or producer stepping in BEFORE the work was done, seeing as that version of the game was already published.
There's even a patch out there for people in Western regions with a modded Wii U, that restores the game's removed chapter to it's original state:
https://gbatemp.net/threads/tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe-restoration.429651/
As you'll be able to read, besides the obvious reversal of the censored costumes, it restores the original chapter, and several other gameplay elements that were also removed and/or changed in the Western version, and the whole point of it is that for some (not all) jRPG purists, having the original version of a game as was intended, is how it's supposed to be. Why else play a Japanese game in the first place, if elements are changed to Westernized topics that make no sense to the story as a whole?
And the rest of the game is still decidedly Japanese, so they should then either have done a completely Western localization, changing ALL elements to Western equivalents, or simply slap another age label on it, and leave it as is, since it's already a niche game anyway, so for them, appeasing the general audience isn't really a factor.
@ThanosReXXX
Thank you so much for this information, as well as this well thought out and friendly response.
In all fairness, while I may disagree on the importance of the content cut, I do highly respect your viewpoint and I think I understand better where you are coming from. I love JRPGs, but this type of content definitely isn't my cup of tea. I apologize before for poking fun in a previous response, and I can respectfully agree to disagree on seeing value in the type of content being cut/altered, but do agree with you now in general on the impacts of censorship in our favorite pastime:)
Thank you for taking the time for your response.
@Guitar_bard No need for apologies at all. And thank you for your own normal reply as well. Always good to find some people that are actually able to go beyond simply pointing fingers, slapping predisposed labels on people or things, and not informing themselves on what things are actually about...
I never feel addressed by the "pervert" comments anyways, regardless of whether or not they're serious or just meant as a joke.
As mentioned though, I do however find it sad that there are so few people who really read the actual story of this, and instead all point to people being perverts for wanting an uncensored game, while it isn't about that at all. But I understand it's an easy target to point at, so why inform yourself any further, right?
Having said all that, the game in its current state is still worth playing for fans of the genre, so it's not like the game is completely ruined: it's more a case of "what a shame that they thought they had to remove that chapter for Western audiences", because the Western audiences that actually play these games, play them for a reason, and that is to get the full experience, not something that is "more tailored" to a general, Western audience.
@First_Amendment if I were you I'd hesitate to call people "idiots" before getting a grasp of how grammar and punctuation work.
Just sayin'.
@Maxz you, sir, are nothing short of a genius 😂
I laughed really hard at that, best comment ever 😁
Wow. It's just a review with a man stating his own opinion. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. It's just a video game, and a man doing his job writing about said video game. Chris didn't attack ANYONE. Again, wow.
TMS #FE was a great appetizer for me while waiting on Persona 5 when originally released. Reading the text messages on the GamePad will be missed. That was a neat little feature to make yourself feel apart of the universe. My only gripe was not knowing what the characters said after a battle since I don't speak Japanese and no subs. Glad it's getting another shot, though!
The persona vibes with this one is real... Didn't have a wiiU back in the days. Only have ps3 and others. But with switch i will be enjoying this so much more..
@scully1888 would you be willing to comment on the fact that the age of consent in basically the entire modern world is between 16 and 17 years old?
You realize the (FICTIONAL AND NOT REAL) "young girls" in this game are of age to have consensual sex with an adult right?
So in your mind, you're fine with 17 year olds having sex in real life, but you're not okay with them wearing Bikinis?
Also how can you say gravure modeling doesn't have a western equivalent? Have you never seen a Dan Schneider TV show?
@the8thark you realize this game didnt sell the first time because of censorship, and now it's already being roasted in japan for it a second time right?
Edit: Here is a scene from Zoey 101 on Nickelodeon. How did they get away with this without being arrested? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPvrC5GkkTw
Holy crap you blocked me from commenting? https://i.imgur.com/OUUldSe.png
@SolviteSekai Would you be willing to comment on the fact that the age of consent is not the same as the age at which people can legally be featured in adult content? Although a swimsuit isn't exactly full nudity, it's still a way of getting young girls to wear as little as possible while staying within the law: and that's just creepy to me.
As for the clip you posted: that was set at a poolside and lasted, what, 15 seconds?
@clvr Sorry... it wasn’t very funny was it. : (
There are just so many downvotes flying around and I thought it would be nice if I could downvote something without having to hurt anyone’s feelings. : (
I loved the Wii U version of the game when I borrowed it from the library. While I've already played through over half the game of the original version, since I didn't actually buy the game and there's a bunch of new content, I'm willing to start over with this Encore Switch Version, despite no longer having constant access to my "phone." Add to future Wishlist...
@roboshort The classic Fire Emblem weapon triangle is in the games, as well.
@GameOtaku The changes made to Chapter 2 (which do change the chapter's story but don't ruin it, as it's still about clothes modeling and embarrassing photo theft) were necessary to avoid an M rating by the ESRB (and the PEGI equivalent) in the West and keep from alienating one of their target demographics. Gravure modeling is seen as being a lot more risque (even worse than swimsuit models) over here due to differing social values, especially when the models are high schoolers. They'd lose a lot more sales that way than they do from people boycotting it over censorship. (Although, that still doesn't explain why the Japanese version followed suit this time.) It's the same reason why T-rated Western-developed action games are often censored in Japan, and it's likely why "Mother 3" will never get a Western localization unless they absolutely butcher the story. Whatever your personal feelings are about the original content of Chapter 2, they don't matter to the ratings boards.
Why are you guys talking about age of consent, anyway? Both teenage sex and teenage gravure/swimsuit modeling fall under the same category: both are legal but still creepy and would never be allowed in T-rated video games in the West. The legality of something really has nothing to do with the issue here.
@SolviteSekai No, it didn't sell well the first time due to being a niche title on a failed console. It would've sold even WORSE had it not been censored and was struck with an M rating. People who don't (myself included) or aren't yet allowed to play mature video games make up a lot bigger portion of the gaming population than people who boycott over censorship, especially among the teenage demographic that the game was designed around.
@BulbasaurusRex
The esrb and pegi are not always consistent when it comes to ratings even with games with the same descriptors. So the game would've had what, Suggestive Themes? That's not exactly horrible. Everyone I've talked to that's played the wiiu has told me the same thing. Chapter 2 is a mess because of the censorship and feels completely out of place compared to the rest of the game. Gravure photo shoots are part of idol culture no ifs ands or buts about it. It's not like there was anything especially damning in the creators original intent? Have you played any other T games where characters were swimsuits? I have and the changes made here were unnecessary. (Anyway what these characters are wearing is usually more than lots of people wear IRL)
Maybe they should've had a dlc to censor the game if you believe it needed to be but release the uncensored version on cart. Everyone would be happy.
Okay, wait, so it's weeb pandering with the pandering cut out?
@Maxz no, please, don't apologize!
It was honestly the best comment in the thread by far and I found it geenuinely really funny 😄
Kinda pissed they ported this (possessive, much.?), but this is a GREAT game! If you can get past the niche storyline and characters, you’ll find a rewarding and deep game that’s challenging, but not super-grinding. Helps that I visited Tokyo just after finishing the game (coincidence), but yeah, definitely exceeded already lofty expectations upon completion.
Is this game stereo only for some reason? My receiver shows a 5.1 signal being put out by Switch, as it supposed to do, but only the stereo channels are actually used. Other games, like Luigis Mansion 3 for instance, work just fine. I can't remember having this issue with the WiiU version, but maybe I just didn't notice it back then or forgot all about it. It would be an odd downgrad though ... Oo
Anyone played the Japan version and the English version and how they compare?
Those Censorship are just pathetic and truly ruins the gaming fun. This is a Adult game to start with and if you can't handle cleavage then you truly have other issue to get a consultation on. There are far worse games like GTA or COD (bood/gore) that should be Censored but bring those up and the others would say nothing bad about them. That tells you they are pushing One's twisted Morals that has no basis or backups to it if you play GTA/COD type games.
Great game, very entertaining. Well recommended for any Jrpg fans and worth the price.
I wouldn´t buy it again, though, since I played it on the WiiU and got the fabulous collector´s edition.
I don't know why anyone is surprised with the censorship. It's an Atlus game that is published by Nintendo, emphasis on Nintendo. Atlus games often have a more mature, more political bent to them about modern Japanese culture, especially in the Shin Megami Tensei series, of which this is a spin-off. Is anyone surprised that it would get scrubbing of such content by Nintendo, the king of kid-friendly games?
@Discipledoctor I love idol stuff in anime though. Shine Post and Love Live are GOAT.
@nessisonett Everyone loves underage anime dabonkers though. Thinking otherwise would be un-American, lol
@Anri02 I'd hate to see these folks reaction to experiencing the 18+ versions of the Grisaia series, lol .. The Fruit of Grisaia, The Labyrinth of Grisaia (big time with this one!) and The Eden of Grisaia. If you know then you know, lol
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