
Games journalism Twitter (yes, it's a thing) is having an absolute field day with the ongoing Epic V Apple trial, which is being broadcast to anyone who wants to listen — you just have to dial in. This is basically our version of The Bachelorette, full of twists, turns, betrayals, and leaked emails. It's a wild ride.
In case you're wondering what exactly the trial is about, it all pretty much boils down to Apple being a monopoly on iOS — unlike PC, where there's Steam, the Epic Game Store, and itch.io (to name a few), developers have no choice between platforms to publish their game.


What's more, Apple actually charges a 30% commission to all developers, which they have no choice but to pay. That 30% seems to be pretty standard across the board for these kind of stores — which is actually one of Apple's main lines of defence — but Epic disagreed with having to pay it.
Epic attempted to circumnavigate the commission by letting players of the freemium iOS version of Fortnite send their money directly to Epic, and Apple (and Google Play, but that's a whole other ballgame) responded by removing the game from its service.
(This has been a lot to read so far, so here's YouTuber Leviathan's Fortnite-themed parody of American Boy to clear your palate. Enjoy having this in your head for the next week.)
Now, we're on day two (as of writing) of the lawsuit, and it's as silly as you might expect, with video game leaks, embarrassing emails, and CEOs being asked if they know what a PlayStation is.
We'll pop all of the juiciest info right here as the trial continues, and you can just soak it aaaaall up:
- Tim Sweeney, the Epic CEO, was asked to describe how to assemble a Switch, and said "you can see I'm not a Switch player," to which the judge replied, "now the whole world knows." (Source: Rebekah Valentine)
- Even after Epic Games demoed Fortnite on a Mac at WWDC 2015, Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, didn't know who Tim Sweeney was — and had to ask his team (Source: Tom Warren)
- Epic apparently think of themselves as the "coolest game developer on the planet" (Source: Adi Robertson)
- Several Fortnite skins were leaked, including Ariana Grande, Naruto, The Rock, John McClane (Die Hard), and Samus Aran — although it's not clear how many of these were scrapped
- Fortnite's in-game concerts are apparently successful, bringing in a lot of new users — all part of Epic's "metaverse", of course (Source: Adi Robertson)
- Apparently, someone at Epic isn't afraid to passive-aggressively threaten Sony in order to get Fortnite Cross-Play on PlayStation (Source: Tom Warren)
- Tim Sweeney thinks that not having cross-play on Fortnite will tear kids' friendships apart (Source: Adi Robertson)
- Tim Sweeney ALSO doesn't own a PlayStation — and the judge doesn't even consider herself a gamer! (Source: Tom Warren)
- Tim Sweeney defines a game as involving "some kind of win or lose" outcome. Hm, we beg to differ, Tim (Source: Adi Robertson)
- Eurogamer was mentioned in the lawsuit... which means we could have been famous too, if we'd played our cards right (Source: Tom Warren)
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Me after becoming fully invested in the gossip and drama between Apple and Epic
Now I am trying to think of any games without win or lose outcomes.
Nintendo Life Video Game Tabloid at your service.
@RetroXombi Animal Crossing? The Sims?
@RetroXombi
Animal Crossing?
You could argue Minecraft
Edit: You could probably argue for any sandbox type game.
I saw over on Rockpapershotgun, leaked documents detailing how much Epic Games paid for some of the free games they gave away on PC. It's super interesting. (It also includes how many new users they got with each of the free games)
Non interesting fact I have learned.
Sony Records owns Epic Records.
Sony Games has a $250M stake in Epic Games.
Told you it was non interesting.
Honestly, I can't thank you enough for this article. I'm usually on top of video game news but this whole event has been a mess, this article was really helpful in bringing me up to speed
@RetroXombi
WiiMusic - a personal favorite of mine
I don't see how it's a monopoly. If you don't like Apple's services or products there's plenty of other options for computers, phones tablets and digital storefronts.
I am not remotely an Apple fanboy at all. But if anything I consider Epic games a far dirtier company for the way the market their games to children. If an adult wants to spend 200 dollars a month on vbucks, he's an adult and at least in theory he knows better, knows the value of a dollar and is probably wasting his own money.
But kids haven't learned that yet. And while the argument that it's their parents fault for saying "yes" too often is an argument I do agree with... that doesn't excuse Epic for happily taking advantage of it.
I really dislike them and the entire system they've built and the affect it's having on the industry as a whole. And this lawsuit shows how arrogant they've become, that they think they can strong-arm Apple into changing. Personally though I don't really care for Apple, I would be happy to see these people get smacked down in defeat. Teach them some humility.
I know what will entertain me for the next few weeks
Nintendo won't work with any Japanese publisher or developer that associates themselves with organized crime, like the Yakuza.
Yo Gossip Girl was my ***** 😄
Whoever wins, we will probably lose.
@RetroXombi Cookie clicker.
@samuraicop I work in an elementary school and a couple years ago it very much "mattered" who did and didn't play, and I legit saw new friend groups based on who they could play Fortnite with. So it sounds stupid, but it was real lol
@RetroXombi
ACNH
Wasn't Tim Sweeney shilling and whining on how PS5 was going to change the world for months before the thing was released? Pretty funny.
Yeah, I'm glad I'm not supporting these numnuts.
@RetroXombi I can think of like ten in an instant
@samuraicop I like how it seems he's inferring the only way kids can interact is fortnite lol.
@Heavyarms55 This is literally my thought exactly. Like all these children I hear about from parents who are like spending hundreds on whatever skin garbage came out that day. I don't get it but it's clearly aimed at taking advantage of children. Although apple sucks too so I'm fine with eithers loss. Also I don't really see epics case
I'm not a huge fan of Apple as a business. And on that note I could care less about Epic as a game publisher. Have at it!
This is definitely something. It seems to me that Epic was banking on their initial threat of lawsuit turning the gen pop against Apple, thus causing Apple to back down before this would go to court. Only that didn't happen, and now Epic has to try arguing a case when they know they don't really have one.
I'm not trying to be mean on nothen, but I find this super funny, I mean epic vs apple, never thought I would ever use those words
Bullies on both sides and the only bullies that will win are the lawyers.
@RetroXombi
Walking Simulators like:
Firewatch
What Remains of Edith Finch
Gone Home
Layers of Fear
Abzu
Endless Ocean
Many adventures (if you don‘t count solving puzzles as ‘winning‘) like:
The Myst series
Professor Layton
"it all pretty much boils down to Apple being a monopoly on iOS"
Isn't this like saying that Walmart has a monopoly on what's sold inside a Walmart? There's other brands of phones out there and it's not like EPIC is lacking the funds to make their own Fortnite branded phone if they really wanted to.
There's no way Epic wins this.
@Toy_Link Yeah, kind of like saying Nintendo has a monopoly over what is sold on the Switch...
Not gonna lie, I want apple to win this. I mean, you knew epic staged this when they instantly had a fully animated trailer telling you to fight back, in under 3 hours.
@Toy_Link I mean, is not like apple owns iOS and can do whatever they want with their property right? Oh wait.
@RetroXombi Noby Noby Boy?
For the love of God - it’s a small “v”. Epic v. Apple. Not “V”, not “vs.”, not “VS”. Just “v.” No joke - the majority of headlines out there are getting this wrong.
@cyrus_zuo Wii Music has only a losing outcome.
@Ghostchip I'm not defending Apple, but I feel they are the lesser of two evils in this case because they don't specifically target their marketing at children the way Epic does with Fortnite.
Apple has a monopoly on its own operating system I'm shocked
Bring Metallica into a Fortnite concert! Lol
I did enjoy the bit where Sweeny was asked what phone he personally used and he said iPhone. When asked why he said “because of the security and privacy”. Exactly what he’s trying to tear down!
This article reminds me of the National Enquirer.
I just CAN’T take this Tim Sweeny guy seriously
@malamiteltd yea most of the games mentioned I have not heard of. But some like Animal Crossing have goals to be achieved. But yea now that I think of it "losing" is not really part of that equation. And your answers have shown me my videogame adventures have been drastically reduced from when I was younger.
@PoopScoop Im glad you were able to enjoy Wii Music, but my issue with it is that it was a glorified tech demo packaged as a $50 game. There’s no “game” really present at all. It’s just playing pretend band with Wii remotes to a selection of generic songs. Amusing for a few minutes, but nothing more, really.
@Heavyarms55 Yeah I agree with that
@PoopScoop I actually haven't just played the game, I own it. I'm a collector and don't tend to part with games, even ones I find I don't like. And for the record, I'm not in any way trying to convince you not to like Wii Music. If you like it, more power to you. But my overall point is that it's not really even a game. The modes you speak of aren't exactly competitive, nor do they track any kind of score, if I recall correctly (it's been years since I last tried it). You play around with your remote, and your character reacts accordingly on screen. It's more of a tech demo or toy and less of an actual game. Nobody wins or loses. I found it cute for a couple rounds and then grew painfully bored.
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