We never doubted Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury would be successful. Recently awarding it 10/10 stars, 3D World was the last Switch port we'd been waiting on from the Super Mario 35th Anniversary celebrations. So far, it's doing significantly better than the Wii U edition, selling 190% more boxed copies at launch in the UK and dethroning Animal Crossing: New Horizons from the number one spot.
Considering the Switch currently has an 80 million strong userbase – compared to Wii U's lacklustre 6 million when 3D World launched in 2013 – this is hardly surprising. Releasing on the same day as the PS4 in Europe probably didn't help matters, either. Eventually selling 5.86 million copies in its lifetime, Super Mario 3D World was the Wii U's second best-selling game, beaten only by Mario Kart 8. A great result for a Wii U title, but an average one at best for a main Super Mario entry.
3D World + Bowser's Fury also marks the third biggest Super Mario launch on Switch so far. These launch sales fell short of surpassing its 3D companions – Super Mario Odyssey and Super Mario 3D All-Stars – but came ahead of 2D entries Super Mario Maker 2 and New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe.
Elsewhere in the chart, FIFA 21 has risen from 8th place to 3rd, while Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has dropped from 2nd to 5th. Little Nightmares II is the only other new entry in the chart, sliding into 7th place, while Ring Fit Adventure has dropped from 4th to 10th position.
Here's a look at this week's top ten all formats chart:
|Last Week||This Week||Title|
|New||1||Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury|
|1||2||Animal Crossing: New Horizons|
|12||4||Spider-Man: Miles Morales|
|2||5||Mario Kart 8 Deluxe|
|3||6||Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War|
|New||7||Little Nightmares II|
|10||9||Assassin's Creed Valhalla|
|4||10||Ring Fit Adventure|
[Compiled by GFK]
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Not surprising, every single Wii U port has been doing good on the Switch.
Nice one, it's a brilliant game that deserves to do well. I had it on Wii U and havent convinced myself to part with 50 large to do it again, but I'm sure I'll pick it up at some point as I'm a chump.
Should easily pass 10 million on the Switch. It also provides a good companion to Odyssey since they are such different games.
I’m playing it for the first time and loving it
Well deserved. I'm trying to save money right now so I won't be double dipping, but this is a great game and I'm glad more people are able to play it now
To the vocal minority who say Nintendo shouldn't charge full price for games like this, the wallets have spoken. Again. To everyone else, hope you're enjoying it as much as I am. Great package of two great games!
Edit: I owned this on the Wii U, but happy to play through it again.
@JohnnyC Nintendo can ask any price for these games. People will buy them. And tbh it's still worth the price, even if you already owned it on Wii U.
Have been enjoying the main game in 2 player over the weekend. Bowser's Fury has some problems but is fun too. I'm glad the package is selling well
I bought it again, and I'm not surprised.
Enjoying it more than Odyssey despite playing the original 5 years ago.
@JohnnyC You make that sound like it's a good thing. (It's not.)
That said, if you haven't played before, I hope you enjoy.
I have this on Wii U so I have no reason to spend £50 on it to play it in Switch, I'll maybe pick it up in a sale at some point to play the extra content. That said it is a brilliant game and most Switch owners will never have played it so I hope it does really well
It's a great game!!!
I enjoy it.
TBH I'm surprised its not higher than 190%
As stated in the article, the global switch install base is currently 1333% larger than the wii U install base at release of 3d world, and we know that UK has always been a sony focused region until last year with the switch making a massive surge compared, so I would guess the install base in UK of switch compared to Wii U is around the same as the global ratio, if not higher. So with a potential install base of 13 times more than the wii U at time of release, the game only makes 3 times more sales on switch...I wouldn't think that's a success
Time will tell I guess, I picked it up a second time and have been loving it
I have this on the Wii u and doubled dipped. I love bowsers fury.
Glad its doing well as its a fantastic game and easily one of the best Mario games out there.
It's nice to see Little Nightmares 2 in the charts, such a beautifully made game. I still have 3D world on the wii u so ill wait for a sale as id like to try Bowsers fury at some point.
Surprisingly low considering Switch sold 5 times as much.
Where's the 190% stat mentioned in the article coming from?
@Milton_Burle £35 with the code FNDDGAME from Curry's.
I'd imagine the real figure is much higher, as digital sales back then weren't what they are these days, particularly with the current situation in the world. But Nintendo doesn't share that info so we'll never know for sure 🤔
@MS7000 I have played it before. Whether I think it's a good thing or a bad thing is irrelevant, the fact is it's happening and will continue to do so as long as people keep buying them.
What makes a direct comparison difficult is Digital sales. It’s a safe bet that these will be much higher on Switch and this chart doesn’t track them.
Userbase = 'this is hardly surprising' as you say in the article.
So when we getting Devil's Third?
With this game, Odyssey, mario 3D all-stars, Mario Maker 2 and New Super Mario Bros u Deluxe I can’t think of any other type of classic mario game they could bring to the switch.
Perhaps odyssey 2? 3D all-stars deluxe with Galaxy 2 included?
@danothelegend fiscal figures do include the digital sales though.
@JohnnyC Yes, I saw in your comment that you had played before. The comment about "hoping you enjoy" was just meant generally. =) But I bemoan something happening if I don't think it is a good thing. Why pay more money for something than it is worth? Of course, that brings up a separate issue of value being subjective. One man's trash is another man's treasure and all that. But still, I don't think it is unreasonable to be irked by Wii U ports being full price when they don't seem to add much if anything at all to the game (looking at DKC: TF, NSMBU Deluxe, Captain Toad especially, but basically how I feel about all Wii U ports) and then be sad when they sell well.
My Switch experience so far has been of an inferior Wii U. Some good new games here and there, but for the most part, recycled content with worse functionality.
Glad it’s selling well.
Tho I’m having joy con issues when playing. They seem to get stuck in a single direction a lot.
Great this game is amazing and maybe it’ll encourage Nintendo to bring over some of the other Wii U greats. Twilight princess and windwaker and I’d be set on Wii U ports.
Just give us an enhanced Xenoblade Chronicles X where you can reach level 99 and has some story bonus features and I’m good for 2021.
They should keep porting over games, its working really well for them.
Bowser's Fury turned out to be an absolute delight, combining Odyssey's freedom with a much stronger focus on platforming and skill. It's not worth the full price (what 5 hour game is?) but since I was expecting an hour long with content repeated from 3D World, I was pleasantly surprised. I was originally hoping for Galaxy 3 next but now I'm hoping they use this format.
Really pleased Nintendo are rereleasing Wii U games, I picked this up but am currently playing Tokyo Mirage Sessions, on the last chapter of it now and will be sad to see it end as I’m thoroughly enjoying it
@MS7000 On the bright side, Xenoblade Chronicles X and Zelda aside, the only Wii U titles left are games that Nintendo know the majority of people don't care about or would need major re-work to get on the Switch. Hopefully any future remasters/remakes will be of games from older generations that would benefit more from being re-released on Switch.
@Lord that's joycon drift, have you tried recalibrating them in system settings?
I read that as 190% of the Wii U's figures and thought "that's not that great." 190% more is a lot better! What's that then, 2-3 million?
I still can’t believe Nintendo games are ahead of cod and fifa in the uk 🤯
@Otoemetry it’s my right joy con, I thought joy con drift was left cons only.
Yes full battery and up to date as well.
@JohnnyC I can only hope. =) If they were to remake/remaster games, at least older ones would be more appreciated. Although I would hope that the efforts are more along the lines of Link's Awakening than Super Mario 3D All Stars.
@JohnnyC well all people love to do is moan about prices but they know they will bit in the end. I bought this on the wiiu and tbh I was one of those who moaned about paying £50 for it again so I decided to rent it instead
@UltimateOtaku91 Not sure I could get through all the content in a rental.
@MS7000 I loved both of those, so happy either way.
That's nice to hear. It's my favourite 3D Mario game and replaying it on Switch is a blast. There is something about the pace of the game and level design that really meshes with me
@MS7000 it's not unreasonable to be irked by natural market practices - everyone including consumers looks after number one there, after all. Less reasonable are years-long entitled rants with seeming unawareness that they might as well "criticize" the weather for all the difference it makes. Nintendo is a business out for money, most of us would behave no differently in their shoes. They pitch the prices they want and plenty of people pay these prices for the value they see in the offer (when they can, mind you - I don't even complain about Koei bundle prices, but how my wallet, current priorities and concurrent eShop sales will factor into factual purchase odds at a given time is a different matter) - irksome or not, it's fair.
As for new games, there have been plenty on Switch - you are simply underwhelmed because not enough of them have hooked you. Those luckier in this regard are usually too busy swimming in their backlogs to wonder when the heck a new Switch original is coming.
I still own it on WiiU but did not hesitate to pick it up again for the Switch and I am 100% glad I did!!
It seems so much better, just a fantastic game...and Bowsers Fu(r)y is worth the price alone...having SO much fun with that!!
@MS7000 You know you don't have to buy these ports right?
> Why pay more money for something than it is worth?
I think the sales charts show this is clearly worth full RRP whether you personally believe it or not. If something wasn't worth the price it wouldn't sell.
@Lord I've had both go out on me. Tho in my personal experience its the left that does it the most. Only had to replace the right one once. So far.
Fifa 21... no 3?! Those poor souls...
@nhSnork "Less reasonable are years-long entitled rants with seeming unawareness that they might as well "criticize" the weather for all the difference it makes."
You are correct, but I look at it along the lines of If I say something, probably nothing will happen. If I say nothing, then it definitely won't happen. I can only hope my ramblings eventually find sympathetic ears and that enough people get convinced otherwise.
Regarding new games, you definitely correct there. Most of these don't excite me, so perhaps it is a personal problem. Fair play if you can enjoy them, I just wish the Switch had more new content, rather than years old PS4, Xbox One and PC ports with the Wii U library on the side.
@Visor Yes I am aware that I don't have to buy the ports, but there is nothing else available for the Switch. That's my gripe. Probably the first Nintendo console I have regretted buying and I brought a Wii U very close to launch, so that is saying something.
Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury UK launch sales are around ~55,000.
Obviously, having a bigger launch than the Wii U original was expected, but it also had a slightly bigger retail launch than Super Mario 3D Land on 3DS.
@Lord don’t mean to be patronising if you’ve already tried it, but disconnect your JoyCon from your Switch completely in the settings, reconnect them and recalibrate. Also make sure they’re updated, when there’s a system update there’s often an update for the controllers, but it won’t do it automatically or prompt you to do it.
Got addicted all over again.
I just made it to the final world. All preceeding worlds completed with all golden flagpoles, stars, and stamps collected. Not sure if I'll try to complete every level as every character though. At least not yet.
The amiibo are also adorable, but they don't offer anything of substance (acting as glorified cheat codes).
Nice to see little nightmares 2 chart. Awesome wee game.
The Switch was thrilling and full of innovative new games for the first year. The last few years it's become a portable gaming museum for 2013-2016. And sadly this works for Nintendo. Easy money for very little effort. They should rename it "Wii U 2 handheld". My kids wanted to play 3d World so we dug out the old version. They were happy and I spent $0.00.
This is certainly the place to raise such concerns. You could raise them with Nintendo but they’ve never historically been great at listening and from their point of view the ports make unquestionable sense so aim not sure you’d get anywhere.
I think you hit the nail on the head though, value is subjective. And the Wii U ports from Nintendo are a tiny part of the library, there are literally hundreds of good games on the Switch that aren’t on the Wii U.
"Great game released on popular system sells very well!" Not surprising in any way. 3D World is fantastic game, far better than Odyssey, IMO.
I see we still get a few people griping over another Wii U re-release. Even after all this time, I don't get how some don't understand that those of us that owned a Wii U and these games are now a tiny minority of the Switch owners. This game, and the other Wii U ports, are brand new to the majority.
The alternative would be to let great games rot away in the library of a massive failure of a system. That would be an incredible disservice to these games and the people that made them. They deserve a larger audience and now they're getting it.
@UltimateOtaku91 @MS7000 @sanderev
I don't really get why people feel Wii U ports should be of lesser value because an inferior version of it happened to be on a different previous gen console once before. It still cost Nintendo money to make the game and they still need to recoup the costs from underwhelming sales, thanks to Wii U underperforming.
The situation is different to Xbox and PS ports which are usually of massively successful games where they would've made a lot more profit on them. Sony, Microsoft and their third psrties have to release them at a budget price because most people played them already unlike Wii U games. They're not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts or because they're pro consumer.
I think the Wii U situation can be better compared to the SEGA Dreamcast. After it flopped Sega also released their games on other consoles at full price. And it was a good thing more people could experience those games, as like more with Wii U.
@Clyde_Radcliffe "there are literally hundreds of good games on the Switch that aren’t on the Wii U."
Correct... they just happen to also be on a load of other platforms too well before the Switch. Even games that are supposed to release day and date will come to Switch several months later (looking at you DOOM Eternal and Outer Worlds). By the time they get to Switch, they are cheaper else where.
"They have to release them at a budget price because most people played them already unlike Wii U games."
Honestly, most games I have noticed doing the jump to Switch are just as expensive as they were when they first launched on other platforms.
"I think the Wii U situation can be better compared to the SEGA Dreamcast. After it flopped Sega also released their games on other consoles at full price. And it was a good thing more people could experience those games, as like more with Wii U."
It is a good thing. And I very much hope that people buying games like Pikmin 3 Deluxe and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze enjoy them and that it will lead to proper sequels. I just wish that ports felt more supplementary rather than being relied upon exclusively to prop the Switch up.
EDIT: Replied to wrong person. Sorry electrolite77.
3D World is fantastic. I don't own a Wii-U so only ever tried it on an emulator where I decided after 1 level to drop the emulator and just be patient for ports of all the games. Worth it. It's like eating candy, every level just makes me want to play one more 😁
Again I don’t mind the ports. I bought a few. I just wish they came out in the first two years of the switch instead of throughout the life span of the system. Now I am left wondering will the switch get a 3D world sequel, a nsmbu sequel, a dktf sequel or are those games going to end up on switch 2. And if they do is switch 2 backward compatible or are we again going to be buying ports.
Well, with 65+ million more consoles sold I would hope that the game performed better on the switch. At most, only roughly 7-8% of Switch owners have purchased the game previously (5.86 million sold) so it should make bank for them. That said, I will pass as my kids are contently playing the Wii U version still, and there isn't enough to justify repurchasing at $60. Hopefully, Nintendo will actually produce something I haven't already previously purchased. Metroid Prime 4 or Breath of the Wild 2 would be a good start.
Not surprised in the slightest, compared to sales of the WiiU to Switch hardware.
@MS7000 How is it not a good thing, that an amazing game sells well? Really it still is a new game to most and with Bowser's Fury it's definitely worth full price.
@MS7000 Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker is not full price.
@RickD 200% more is three times of something.
@BTB20 It is a good thing that can people can experience a game for the first time. And I do genuinely hope that people enjoy 3D World. It is a bad thing however that Nintendo can find success with the bare minimum; it sends the wrong message that Nintendo can just re-release any old content and not worry about making full-blown new games.
Regarding Captain Toad, the game is not "full price", because it was a budget release on Wii U. However, the price is still just as much when it launched on Switch as it was when it launched on Wii U. That is still not a good thing, especially when this game had the least amount of improvements possible.
@MS7000 I don't think 3D World is 'bare minimum'... simply re-releasing it with no additions would be that.
Ports keep Nintendo platforms alive. Most other console makers have big third-parties to help them keep the console alive, Nintendo only has itself. They release more original content than almost anyone, and yet the fans still complain.
@sixrings That's really not sensible. Put all the games out at once? How are you going to play them all?
The ports are all about keeping people engaged with the platform between the big launches. Keeps conversation going and people playing... that's why they're spread out. When there's a gap in the schedule, plug it with an old classic.
I bought a copy for my daughter and will be buying a digital copy for my Switch sometime soon. Playing Bowser's Fury and it is really fun. Definitely worth a double dip.
@MS7000 Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury is the most ambitious Wii U port by far. It's not just Bowser's Fury, which would have been 30-40$ worth on it's own, it's also the snapshot mode and the faster speed as well as Amiibo functionality. This time they aren't lazy at all.
@Dringo I'mma just put this quote from one of my other replies below:
"I just wish that ports felt more supplementary rather than being relied upon exclusively to prop the Switch up."
There we go. Nothing wrong with Nintendo having ports. But it is a problem when that is all they have; I can only think of about 3 or 4 new releases from Nintendo last year, and your mileage will vary. Sure, you could argue Covid is a factor, but I didn't think 2018 was that busy either. I only really remember Smash from that year, with everything else being ports like Captain Toad, Hyrule Warriors and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze. So... shrug
@BTB20 Ah yes, a snapshot/photo mode, which most other companies add for free to their games as an update.
The amiibo functionality allows a power-up/1-up. Really pushing the boat there.
Regarding Bowser's Fury, it is difficult to judge without buying (although Nintendo Life's own review certainly didn't make me think it would be worth $30-40), but that is another problem. If Bowser's Fury is such a big meaningful expansion, why not just make it a standalone release?
I am still not convinced that 3D World had anything meaningful done to justify being just as expensive as it's original release was when new.
I'm going to pick it up when I've got the money. I want the steelbook version fur meh cullectshun.
@MS7000 A roughly 5 hour game as an add on definitely makes it worth full price. I consider Bowser's Fury to be excelent btw. It's a ton of fun and I can see myself spending over 10 hours playing it. It's literally a huge world with alot of great platforming challenges and areas to explore.
Oh btw in 2018 there were Super Mario Party, Pokemon Let's Go, Kirby Star Allies and Mario Tennis Aces apart from Smash. A weak year, but there were good new games there apart from 4 Wii U ports.
It is not unreasonable to be upset that Nintendo is releasing fewer games this console cycle than they ever had (this is a fact supported by objective data, it’s not an opinion) and the few games they do release are $80 rehashes that contain just enough content that you’re missing out if you don’t buy them, but not worth paying full price for (~ 5 hours worth). The Wii U also had better amenities (YouTube, netflix, etc), a better virtual console and free online. Nintendo seems to be going in the wrong direction as far as consumers and user experience are concerned.
@BTB20 I've heard from others that Bowser's Fury takes no longer than 4 hours to complete, not just beat. Possible that whoever said that was lying of course, but again, why not just release it separately if Nintendo are so confident in it's apparent value?
Regarding 2018, I admittedly forgot about Kirby. But still, not exactly a stunner of year.
I hope there'd be a sequel sooner or later.
A return to the dreamland Subcon to face Wart again would be great!
And just like the classic game:
@sanderev Except Tokyo Mirage Sessions #Censored. Boy I wonder why?
@Clyde_Radcliffe Only thing Nintendo could've done for the Wii U owners is give them (people who have purchased the Wii U version of the game through the eShop) a 10% discount on the Switch version. However that would be bad for people who bought the games physical on Wii U.
I'm still wondering what Nintendo's employees have been doing all this time? Surely it doesn't take as many people or as much time to port old games from a weaker console. Then also consider that 3DS development is no longer a thing, presumably freeing up even more people to focus on Switch. Nintendo should hypothetically be capable of pumping out new games at an unheard of pace
@Euler The Switch has more games than the Wii U, more first party as well. And better games. Also the Switch has Youtube (which I don't use) and I really don't want Netflix on a gaming device.
Same goes for the GameCube (Switch has more games). Only the Wii has a bit more, but the Wii had the most trash games. Games like Wii Muisc, etc.
I see fans of other consoles crying about Nintendo ports and how underpowered the Switch is, but as the saying goes, "Vote with your wallet," and based on sales, it's clear which system and games consumers are voting for.
@sanderev Wii U + 3DS combined exceed Switch output for every year from 2012 up to and including 2017.
The analysis doesn't include ports vs. new releases, but it's pretty hard to imagine the Switch argument would fare better if that were accounted for. "Better" is highly subjective and it's not at all obvious the Switch wins that contest (Breath of the Wild is exactly the same on both consoles).
You got me on Youtube. The rest of the post still stands.
Not sure where you're going with the Gamecube. Any Gamecube owner that bought a Wii absolutely got their money's worth. Namedropping the worst game on the system doesn't change that.
@Mountain_Man why would they be crying? Most don't seem to care about it. And I think consumers are buying everything right now, the other 3 new consoles sell out in seconds and are going for silly money on ebay. The gaming industry as a whole is probably in the best position its been in for years.
I remember people getting tired of the Wii after a few years on the market. There were complaints about a lot of shovel ware. Now, I’m starting to see complaints about this once exciting console, being relegated to a port machine. Interesting.
I guess Nintendo has the ability to do what Disney has been doing. Taking old, beloved IP’s, releasing an inferior port/remake and selling it to the masses. I enjoy my Switch, but I have similar feelings about Disney and those CGI/live action remakes. It’s terrible how those movies makes over a billion dollars. Soulless when compared to the 2D originals.
I was really unsure about double dipping for this one but I'm glad I decided to. Bowser's Fury is WAY more fun than I expected. And the increased running speed on 3D World really makes a big difference in how enjoyable it is to play.
@JohnnyC aslong as I'm paying monthly fee I get to keep the game as long as I like. I pay £30 for 4 games at a time including new releases which saves me hundreds every year, though this is UK only
great news. looks like the haters od this game are going to lose!! looks like lots of people will pay full price for a port with new features plus a brand new game added to it. cannot wait for the japanese and US SALES as well.
well I am so happy for mario. looks like the haters are losing! looks like lots of people will pay full price for a port with new features and a new game added to it. I cannot wait for the japanese and US charts as well. great job mario. The real gamers win once again
Well, no <censored>. A game selling better on a console with an install base of 80 million versus 6? Stop the presses!
@BloodyMurder The censorship was not a major factor in that game flopping. It bombed on the Japanese Wii U as well. The bigger reason is that no one was in the market for what was pitched as a Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem crossover ending up as some kind of idol-thing with Fire Emblem characters as Stands.
@Narrator1 I'll second this. I was all excited when I heard there was a SMT/FE game in the works. When it was finally revealed, I thought, "What the heck is this?!"
But how many Wii-U consoles were sold when it launched on Wii-u compared to the current switch numbers? Should be like 1000% more sales
Keep moving the goal post bub. Before that it was "Wii U's install base is too small". It was censorship.
But please, keep lying. It amuses me. BTW
Hey look, Japanese players voting with their wallets.
@BloodyMurder What goalposts? First time posting in this topic. The Wii U sale upswing was a direct response to the Switch version using the later censored build, yes, three years after its debut. I was more talking about sales and reception at launch.
Edit: Actually looking at those pictures, the low price (less than 700 yen for a Wii U game?) and the lack of an Amazon Prime logo make me wonder if most of those 2019 sales were just passing existing copies belonging to Amazon Marketplace resellers. I could be wrong though.
First, i don't think Wii shovel wares are really bad. I like quite a lot of them that still decent enough for me. Casual games are not always bad as you think.
Second, some of Disney live action were better than 2D animation in my opinion such as Cinderella 2015, Beauty & Beast 2017, Aladdin 2019. I love to watch those movies.
@Euler People make fewer games today because they take longer to make and live for longer through DLC, live events and updates. It’s not a Nintendo thing, but an entire games industry thing. Comparing numbers to previous generations are a bit pointless. Each game on Switch required more people and longer development times to those on 3DS, and even Wii U. It’s the same for PlayStation, it’s the same for Xbox.
@MS7000 Last year was a relatively quiet year, but still brought us Animal Crossing, 51 Worldwide Games, Paper Mario, Mario Kart Tour, Hyrule Warriors 2, alongside the remasters/ports of Mario, Xenoblade and Pikmin. It also brought us various DLC releases for Smash and Pokemon, plus updates to games like AC.
2019 was a bit better with Luigi’s Mansion, Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Astral Chain, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Super Mario Maker 2, Yoshi’s Crafted World, Tetris 99 etc...
But look, the game’s industry today is different. Games take hundreds of people years to make. Look at how many Halo games we got last generation. How many Naughty Dog games. Rockstar has made one game in the last 8 years.
Games take longer to build, and those games are supported for longer through DLC, updates and online events. Games like Smash, Splatoon, Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Breath of the Wild, Arms, Tetris 99, Mario Odyssey, Fire Emblem... Nintendo kept working on them for long after release. Some are still going. This happened a bit with 3DS and Wii U, but now it happens as standard.
This is just the reality of the games business. People are playing games for longer, buying fewer games, spending more on them... and developers were supporting them for longer.
@MS7000 "My Switch experience so far has been of an inferior Wii U. Some good new games here and there, but for the most part, recycled content with worse functionality."
Unfortunately, this has mostly been my experience too. And as long as people keep buying ports, Nintendo don't need to make anything new. Thank goodness for 3rd parties, or there would be very little new to play on Switch.
“ Now, I’m starting to see complaints about this once exciting console, being relegated to a port machine”
I wouldn’t read too much into people complaining on here
@Dringo Mario Kart Tour is my favourite Switch game! =P
I am very aware that games are more resource heavy nowadays when it comes to development. That said, I thought that was the whole point of Nintendo merging the software divisions with the Switch. Are Nintendo seriously unable to maintain doing at least close to as many games that were released on Wii U and 3DS? Again, I know Covid has been an issue, but it feels like even with that, 2020 was always going to be a "meh" year for the Switch.
You've a very valid point about service games though... hooray for service games and easy monetisation.
I am honestly worried that 2021 is going to be worse; simply because I am assuming games that have been released so far during Covid was everything that was meant to be released in the first half of 2020 that they have purposely been spacing out.
They don’t want to be pumping out games at an unheard of pace though. There’s absolutely no point in putting out 30 games a year (even if they could) that then cannibalise each other’s sales. They want to leave space for third-party sales, be able to market their games properly, give their own games room to grow legs, and not overuse all their IP. On top of that with only having one system to support they don’t need to release as many games as they used to.
@electrolite77 sure, and that makes total sense. But it even further begs the question of what all their employees are spending their time doing these days. I haven't heard of a mass layoff of Nintendo employees in the news. Maybe Alpha Dream shutting down is the closest I have heard about
@Dringo Nonsense. The figures include ports that would be very easy to make, along with less-graphically demanding games that could've easily released on 3DS (ie Link's Awakening). You cannot say with a straight face that Super Mario 3D World on Switch was harder to make than Super Mario 3D World on Wii U.
Nintendo should bring over their great wii u games to the switch, let those who never played it which would be close to 75 million get the chance to play these games. as for others that did, there are other games that Nintendo and other 3rd parties had put out and indies as well.
What this tells me is...it's too bad all of those people whined and cried about the Wii U and it's name, and blah blah blah. It was a really good system with some incredible games. People just bailed on it for some crazy reason and are only now realizing what some of us have known for years. The Wii U Gamepad was extremely comfortable to use, and I had an absolute blast playing it from when I bought it on release day until even today when I was playing some Virtual Console games.
Wii U warriors...unite!
@Euler No. But Odyssey was much harder. I’m not talking the ports and remakes. The other big games are taking much much longer. That’s why we have these ports, because the big games take longer to make. It’s an industry norm these days. Fewer, bigger games with online functionality.
@MS7000 Nintendo always have fallow years, it’s the nature of development. Normally, 4 years into a cycle (not that 4 years is normal for Nintendo), we would have seen the next games from the Mario or Zelda teams. But their games aren’t finished yet. They just take longer.
3DS is much easier to develop for than modern HD devices. It’s not really a fair comparison.
As for 2021... you know, it’s really hard to say right now. We’ve got a game every month until April, we know that. All games publishers are holding off their announcements until they can be more certain of a release date — COVID is making it tough to accurately set a release date at the moment because it’s causing hard-to-predict slowdown in certain situations. This is why we are getting games set for May and June (Resi, Ratchet) announced only very recently, because they will be only weeks away from going gold.
It’s frustrating, I also want to know where these games are... Breath of the Wild has been in development for 4 years. Nintendo 100% could show us something. But they won’t be able to set a date. We saw how many delays we got last year, sometimes by weeks, sometimes by months, sometimes indefinitely.
Anyway. My point is that Nintendo may have a good year for us this year. We just don’t know. But we know those teams won’t be far off. The next generation of major Switch games are within touching distance
Cool to see Wii U owners continue to seethe that newer versions of old games they bought years ago now that they are finally selling well.
The game has been heavily advertised on TV in the UK in the last week, so I'm glad the marketing spend has been worth it for Nintendo!
@Dringo Not all first-party games are the same scope as Mario Odyssey. That one took four years if we assume for the sake of the argument that they didn't finish long before October 2017 and then delay the game until the next console came out instead of releasing on Wii U (as they did with Breath of the Wild). Smash Ultimate, by contrast, took three years (putting it right on par with other Smash games). And Mario Kart 9 is nowhere in sight.
@Euler There’s no point in the teams just doing the same thing. The Mario Kart team did Arms.
As someone who does this for a living, I can tell you each generation means more pressure, more competition, needs to do more things... every major Switch game required more time and, significantly, more people to do. More people means fewer, bigger teams, which means fewer, bigger games.
Ocarina of Time took half the time and a third of the people of BOTW, and it was seen as a big team back then and a huge amount of time.
Unfortunately, you’re going to have to just fill your entertainment time with other things. But there’s plenty out there to entertain
I'm just glad Nintendo is re-releasing Wii U games that never got the chance to truly shine. THIS is how they "should" have sold, but better late than never.
@Hordak Me too Brother!! WiiU was and still is a blast!
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