Random: Minecraft's Creator Won't Be Invited To The Game's Anniversary Celebrations

Well that's unfortunate.

Good. He was getting too controversial.

Good riddance to him. I have no pity for him after all the things he's said.

searches internet for all the things he's said

it concerns me that this news story doesn't mentioned any of the horrible things that notch has said on twitter, and just acts like Microsoft is doing for no reason. next time please do your research before commenting on a matter like this

Reminds me of George Lucas's current relationship to the Star Wars franchise, but George is ignored by Dis-Fox-ABC for a completely less political related reason (though the Star Wars prequels did quote a certain elected official, but that's not a criticism that was ever brought up often against the prequels).

It's Microsoft's property now so they can do whatever they like. And I don't think Notch cares either.

@TheDonutGamer yeah the fact it's framed like Microsoft is just bullying an innocent man is kinda troubling

As long as you agree with the majority then you’re fine, but if you express an opinion that differs from the socially accepted politically correct, then you instantly put a target on your back.

He, like anyone else is entitled to his opinions and they are no more or less valid than anyone else’s, this is the beauty of freedom of speech and expression.

We don’t all need to agree on everything and share the same beliefs.

@mist human rights aren't opinions and freedom of speech doesn't and never has excused you from the consequences of what you say

What horrible things did he day?

We can’t form an opinion as to whether this is good or bad without knowing more information. We only have one side of the story, no idea what he said and no comment/reaction from Notch.

Would be good to flesh this out a bit.

@mist Don't frame this as a political correctness issue.
You don't want to invite to your party a guy who insults trans people, who openly talks about conspiracy theories such as qanon, and is just an awful human being all year long.

Being an a**hat is not a belief.

@neufel it looks as though it is about political correctness though?

I’m not saying I agree with what he said. But it just seems harsh that people who have different opinions can be shunned like this.

The fact they have effectively erased him from Minecraft and now havent invited him to the anniversary, bearing in mind this is the person who created one of the most influential games in history, over a few tweets just seems petty.

A**hat or not, he still deserves some credit.

@TheDonutGamer To be fair on the author, Liam, those who have been following Notch's various meltdowns on twitter will understand where Mojang/Microsoft's reps stand and also their subsequent statement.

In any case, a quick google-fu will bring up a small sample of his previous doings on the twit ter verse. Even his wiki page (which I'll link here) has a section, albeit abridged:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Persson

How ridiculous. Does that mean Microsoft agrees with all of the beliefs of everyone they HAVE invited?
Obviously not.
This kind of intolerance for disagreement is getting stupid now. Stop trying to bully conformity onto the population. It's creepy.

Nah, what’s getting stupid is people thinking this is a matter of disagreement.

What did he say?

I think the previous article's comments section was pretty comprehensive, no need for a repeat of that tiresome spectacle.

@Kienda They haven't erased him from Minecraft. They just deleted the sentence that appears randomly on the start screen. He is still and will always be credited as the creator of the game.
As he stopped working on the game, it's kinda logical that the "The work of Notch!" has been changed. It is now the work of Mojang team, don't you agree?
That changes nothing to the credits in the game or anywhere else.
Just go on minecraft's website and you'll see: https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/credits/

As for the pettiness, Notch is not affiliated to Microsoft anymore. If Microsoft don't want to be associated with someone who might talk about Qanon, Gamergate or say that some random minority group is awful... it's not petty, it's their right.
This has nothing to do with political correctness. You, Kienda, have the right not to invite to your party the people you find awful or could damage your reputation. That's it.

I'm glad I could make it straight re: that credit thing.
The lie that he's not credited anymore has been circulating long enough by really creepy people.

he never said anything wrong. grow up, people.

@neufel

"who openly talks about conspiracy theories"

TALKING about conspiracy theories is now a crime? What madness is this?

@neufel No, he's still credited as creator of Minecraft. They just took out the random side blurb.

Besides, now that he's a known figure dealing out controversial statements and views while ALSO not being involved with how Minecraft has expanded for the last 5 years, it makes sense not to involve him in the anniversary event.

@Dezzy Well no he fully supports the Qanon conspiracy theory, not just talk about it.

@Dezzy No one said it's a crime, not Microsoft and not me. I actually love talking about it.

But you know that by "talking about" I meant a bit more than that.
There's no need to be disingenuous and pretend Mojang hasn't fully endorsed qanon. His tweets from March are still up.

You can disagree if you want, it's fine, but please refrain from making this comment section a pointless flamewar. Thank you!

@SCAssassin

Well I don't know to what extent he actually believes all that, but I don't really care if he does.
The entire line of thinking where people are judged based on opinions (as opposed to actions) is ridiculous.
Also, the entire political establishment and mainstream media in the US has spent 2 years perpetuating the conspiracy theory that the president is an agent of a foreign country. That's far more damaging than any silly thing you'll find on the internet. But why do I get the feeling that people who are responsible for perpetuating that would never get disinvited from anything. There is a deliberate and persistent set of double standards going on.

The tone of this article is off. As is the subheading "Erasing history".

Notch has issues. Makes perfect sense for him not to be invited considering the target market for this game. He is still credited as creator. He was paid handsomely to hand over the reigns to the game and Microsoft have no obligation to him.

@Dezzy

@mist

As others have already said, Notch certainly is free to express his opinions, and he is equally free to live with the consequences.

So many free speech advocates forget the latter part.

@daggdroppen He made a joke about “heterosexual pride day” and said that anyone against it “deserved to be shot.” Like most extreme comments you’ll come across online, it’s a mix of seeking attention via controversy and making a point through the use of obviously crazy/hyperbolic allusion.

He also committed the unpardonable sin of tweeting “it’s okay to be white.”

He's a friend of a friend and I got a free for life account for pc version back in the day. He's not a bad guy and I see his side as well as those who are outraged. Tbh, though, technically he sold off his rights and thos is what happens sometimes, regardless of what the original creator does.

@BAN He's basically annoyed cause he thinks that due to history, former minorities are allowed to do more and act how they want, which sometimes happens. No one seems to get true equality or balance because former victims can become just as corrupt if allowed to. Like an oppressed citizen that would become president, not many can handle power.

Sold for 2,5 Billion... Heck I guess he doesn't give a damn anymore if he's going to be invited or not.

Good riddance, fascist scum.

@SBandy

That's because "free speech" doesn't mean that at all. You're confusing the legal principle in the US (pretty much only the US) with the philosophical concept, on which it's originally based.
The legal issue in the US is of course just about the government not being able to stop you. So that doesn't apply to stuff like this at all.
The philosophical concept is very different. That's about maximizing people's ability to think for themselves and speak freely. Under that system of thought, any consequences which act to silence that ability to think and speak freely ARE incompatible with free speech.
Getting banned from mainstream corporations is definitely anti-free speech. The effect is that most people will simply stop speaking their own opinions and silently conform to whatever they think the pre-approved opinions are.
It's not the effect on Notch that's a problem. It's the effect on the general population who see this and adjust their behaviour because of it.

Hard to believe, but there was a time when differing opinions were embraced regardless of how “controversial.”

Good. The vile man deserves nothing else. And kudos to Microsoft for distancing themselves from far-right political views.

@Dezzy

No I am talking about my belief that people can say what they wish but can also deal with the consequences.

@SBandy

If I say "You're free to have opinions on the current tax rate, but every single company in the world will fire you if you voice those opinions", well then you're not actually free to have those opinions at all, are you?
And people simply won't. Everyone in that situation will simply adopt the "correct" opinions on tax rates.

@Dezzy

So? Making up a situation doesn't change the fact that in the real world there are consequences to what people say.

@TempOr

I have no idea what that is and have no inclination to find out.

Consequences can mean anything including no action being taken. I do believe context is important.

NL, your subhead is misleading - no history is being erased.

The real story: Microsoft are throwing a party and are inviting whomever they like to their party. But then that isn’t much of a story.

Based on the things Notch says, he’s a vile human being. I wouldn’t invite him to my parties either. But that’s also not much of a story.

@SBandy

Yes, and very few times and places in history could be described as having "free speech".

It's an ideal more than a reality. But the US and western europe had it more 20 years ago than we do today, because of the toxic effects of social media mobs, who spend their entire lives trying to bully people into conforming. 20 years ago, people simply didn't care about things like this.

@TempOr

I guess I would just show the investigation your message to show you had malicious intent!

Edited comment to make sense!

Okay, so I looked up what he said and while I agree that it is pretty controversial and offensive, I have to say: I shouldn't have to search it up myself on an article like this. If you are going to report on it, you can make mention of what he said. If not a direct quote, at least a general description. This article gives no clue about what he said.

My first thought was that he criticized Microsoft's handling of the game he sold them. I am much more inclined to see a major corporation like Microsoft as the bad guy. But instead I search up his comments and find myself in agreement with MS. Minecraft is largely a children's game and I can understand why MS would not want someone saying hateful things like that as the face of that kid's game anymore.

Notch sold the game, he might have created it, but it isn't his anymore. He has lost the inarguable right to attend events for the game.

If Disney wanted to ban George Lucas from Star Wars celebrations, I wouldn't have any sympathy for him either. This is what happens when you sell your IP. It's not yours anymore.

@Anthracks it's because we are in the Social Media Age where everybody thinks their opinion is the only valid one and that everyone should agree with it

for example i was recently attacked on Social Media because i said i was unfollowing the Game of Thrones page to avoid spoilers

we live in an age of self entitlement and self gratification and social media has given people the platform to be as nasty and spiteful as they want to and where people are judged on what they are not who they are

social media is a pit of bile and should never have been created in the first place

@TempOr

I suppose you could as would be your right. And I could defend myself from any investigation and show the Police your messages in this thread to show your malicious intent.

You are getting hung up on the negative side of consequences. People being free to say what they want leads to good consequences too like a relationship, a promotion or a new friend etc.

I also already stated context is important which you seemed to have ignored. And I do think a lot of the witch hunts going on today are too extreme, others I don't.

I am basically just pointing out people should be aware that if they feel they can say whatever they want there is a chance there may be negative consequences. Just seems sensible to me.

It's Nolan Bushnell and Atari again...

@neufel thanks for the link and I understand what you’re saying. I think legally they would never be able to fully “erase” him from the credits, however, I would still say they are “effectively” erasing him.

They have removed visible references to him from the game (outside the credits) and won’t be honouring him at the event or mentioning him. And that to me seems odd as he is the one who created the game.

Yes, I understand it is Microsoft’s decision. Yes, I understand people are offended by his comments. But it doesn’t change the fact he made the game. A few tweets doesn’t negate his contribution.

@Kienda Indeed that doesn't change what he has accomplished, and nothing can take that from him.
That dude created Minecraft and oh boy will his creation leave an impact on entertainment for decades

@TempOr

I agree. But who determines ultimately what is and what isn't offensive?

There is no easy answer and in today's world especially I would just think twice about what I say in social media, in the work place, in public or in private because of the possibly negative consequences.

It can be as simple as being a bit too cheeky to a mate and getting punched in the mouth or something more serious like getting fired from your job.

Or it may be something good like getting a date with that person you fancied.

My sentiment of "you are free to say what you want and free to live with the consequences" is basic but if I tried to add all the caveats I would never stop writing!

So the creator of the game is being removed of the party because of "opinions and comments on Social Media"?

No matter what he said, this just makes me feel sad about what the world is becoming...

they can choose who to invite or not, that's their thing, but calling this guy a nazi or whatever is idiotic. people need to understand that everyone's allowed to have their own opinion on things, no matter how vile and disgusting they may appear, as long as there's no direct call for physical violence. that's one of the many reasons europe will always play second fiddle to the us

@Kienda different opinions stops there when you attack another human being. If you insult someone or a whole group of people it is no longer human rights. Bullying or hate is going too far and should be punished since it can easily evolute into violence and crime. No thanks he should rethink his life or get consequences. I can tolerate a lot but hate is going too far.

I swear I have to drag this out every couple of months.

Until articles actually post what he have said, I couldn't care less, considering everything today, joke or not a joke is considering phobic against something it is hard for me to take this serious or think less of Notch.

I’m sure Notch read his contract which gave him billions. It will have clearly stated that Minecraft no longer belonged to him. Plus, with those billions, he uses Twitter as a platform of hate. No matter what your opinions are, he spreads hate and fear. Those aren’t opinions, they’re ways to make people feel upset and angry.

So if they're able to make the statement that they don't share his views, shouldn't they then also be able to invite him?

Just exactly who are welcome at that event?

Also, I'm a little worried that Microsoft apparently doesn't share the idea of equality for all, and that everyone should take responsibility for their actions, but I guess that comes with being a multinational conglomerate employing thousands of people at wildly different salaries and benefits throughout the world.

@nessisonett
Notch spreads hate and fear?
How and to whom?

@Pod By saying that privilege is ‘made-up’ and supporting a ‘heterosexual pride group’, Notch is promoting exclusion. Heterosexual pride is the White Power of that side of things so all it does is spread division and fear, which leads to outright hatred.

Not to be an ass as this does have a random tag but was this article just for the clicks Notch articles always seem to get? Without having what he said it's kind of meaningless.

I have no idea about the drama or whatever around Notch, but this man created my childhood. Sucks to have him removed from the game, and now all the aniversery stuff.

@SBandy Can you explain what that means to me? I notice a lot of people saying it. "You have freedom of speech, but not freedom from the consequences of your speech."

There should't be consequences... that's why its called free speech. If you're getting punished for it, then it wasn't free.

Let's also apply this same set of logic to another right. Let's say a series of Muslims are killed in an attack, and you say, "you're free to believe whatever religion you want, but you're not free from the consequences of following that religion." Doesn't sound so good anymore, does it? In fact, it now seems like a bigoted and hateful thing to say.

@nessisonett
I disagree that heterosexual pride promotes exclusion, and I disagree that having an opinion on how the term privilege is employed constitutes spreading of hate and fear.
If people feel hated or fearful because someone disagree with them, we should instead have a talk about that, because these people likely have more pressing issues in their lives.

@GothicZM

You understand that you are defending free speech without consequences and then used an example of free speech that you just yourself declared as bigoted and hateful.

What point are you trying to make here?

@SBandy
No he doesn't and no he didn't.

@Pod @GothicZM It’s not being heterosexual that’s the issue, it’s the ‘appeal to ridicule’ argument that these ‘straight pride’ groups perpetuate. The only reason they promote it is to insinuate that gay pride is absurd and meaningless when it’s an effort to maintain any sort of togetherness when their very existence is under threat by the so called ‘most powerful man in the world’.

@Pod

Maybe he didn't but it is unclear to me the point GothicZM is trying to make.

@SBandy Eh, it’s not the worst comment I’ve received on here. I got called a tr*nny a couple of weeks ago.

@SBandy

Did you read it? I said that telling a group of people that they are allowed to follow any religion they want but aren't free from consequences of following that religion, sounds very hateful.

I'm telling you to apply this same set of logic (you have freedom but not from the consequences of that freedom) to other things. Take gay rights. Are you free to be gay, but not free from the consequences of being gay? Are you free to be trans, but not free from the consequences of being trans. Are you free to be Christian (or Easter-Worshippers as they're being called now.... I didn't know they've been worshipping easter this whole time). I'd like you to go to Sri-Lanka, and tell those who were recently attacked that that's the consequences they face for believing in Christianity (or Easter-Worshippness).

@GothicZM I think SBandy meant more that by choosing to believe in things that marginalise others then you should expect a backlash from those that you marginalise.

@GothicZM

Bloody hell can you not see you are agreeing with me?!

You have just listed examples of why you shouldn't be allowed to say things consequence free!

@nessisonett Huh? So, gay pride is okay, but straight pride is not? Well, that's just great. And what the hell do you mean, "appeal to ridicule." I was watching CNN a while ago, and Don Lemon straight up said that straight, white, Conservative men are the greatest terror threat in this country... I don't know about you, but that sounds like he's trying to ridicule a group of people to me. Calling all heterosexuals rapists, sounds like ridicule to me. Calling all whites racist sounds like ridicule to me.

@SBandy

Actually no. I'm saying you should be allowed to say things consequence free, because if you're punished for it than it wasn't free.

If you're saying that I'm agreeing with you, then you're saying that being punished for following a religion is acceptable, and I don't think it is. You shouldn't be punished for things you are free to do.

@GothicZM It’s a method of argument such as when you deliberately form an outrageous alternative in order to ridicule groups such as Pride. I’m not saying that heterosexual people are inherently bad as that would be ridiculous but the Straight Pride movement is partly funded by the Tea Party and marches against homosexuals existing. It’s just a downright hateful movement.

@nessisonett
That is quite the presumptious statement to make about other people's motives.

Regardless of your opinion on the tweets etc. it is all a matter of money and brand. Major corporations do their research - if market research and sales demonstrate that opinions are toxic to a brand they will do their best to remove themselves from it. It isn't fear of one side or another, it is purely economic.

@Pod Why would you participate in a Straight Pride March then? What would be your motives?

@nessisonett

If being called a tranny is really the worst comment you've faced, you wouldn't have lasted a second in the imdb forums back in 2008.

@GothicZM

So to use some of your examples:

You are saying you should be allowed to say the following consequence free:
"Let's say a series of Muslims are killed in an attack, and you say, "you're free to believe whatever religion you want, but you're not free from the consequences of following that religion."

"go to Sri-Lanka, and tell those who were recently attacked that that's the consequences they face for believing in Christianity (or Easter-Worshippness)."

Is that what you are saying?

@nessisonett
Pride in being straight?

@GothicZM So when you look around and see that you’re marching alongside Nazi skinheads, what separates you from them?

May as well collect my "5+" dislikes on this.

If Microsoft wants to unperson him for being insufficiently woke, that's their prerogative.

However, I don't really think that there should be a requirement for people to be woke (PC, Far-Left, what have you), but in the age of where a brand's momentum lives and dies by the Twitter Mob...

@SBandy Out of context... yes.

In context however, I'm pointing out that your logic (punishing people for doing things they have the freedom to do) is wrong and hateful.

@GothicZM

I said consequences, I never said punishment.

So let me get this straight Microsoft is trying to change basic biology. The thing that he said that’s so controversial is that he said that trans women aren’t actual women which is true...that’s basic biology...a man can’t magically become a woman no matter how hard he tries at the end of the day he was born a man and you will die a man. Every chromosome in your body is XY which makes a male. He didn’t say anything that was offensive he just stated a simple fact. I have read all this “controversial tweets” and he wasn’t being a jerk to trans people. The problem is that trans people will get offended for literally stating a biological fact. At the end of the day he leaves in a free country and he can speak his minds freely. This is sounds to me like a measurement from Microsoft to squash freedom of speech by bullying the guy!! Like believe what we believe or we will make your life miserable until you do. Is crazy that things here in the US are getting so out of control with the ridiculous PC culture.

@dacangri12 Google ‘gender reassignment surgery’. It’s a magical process where you become a man or woman!

@nessisonett

Having hair, for one. Not being white, for another. What would separate someone the most, however, is that the person's ideology doesn't match up with that of a Nazis ideology. The great thing about being humans is that humans aren't monolithic. We are individuals. That's why we don't call Ilhan Omar a memeber of the KKK after she got praised by David Duke.

@SBandy

Okay... let's change it. You believe that people should face consequences for following a religion. I don't agree with that.

@nessisonett

It is "magic" indeed, because "magic" isn't actually real.

@GothicZM So you refuse to believe that the surgery exists?

@GothicZM

Don't put words in my mouth. Those were your examples.

@nessisonett oh yeah totally! I forgot that I can turn into a Pony and a leprechaun can perform the surgery while we at it! Let’s get real here man. Is not transphobic to state a basic biological fact. I have trans friends who are not only accepting of this fact they embrace it. Let’s stop acting so delusional.

@dacangri12 So what makes a man a man or a woman a woman? If it’s solely biological then surely getting surgery to physically make you the opposite sex will make you biologically the opposite sex?

@nessisonett no not at all. I never said that at all I’m saying is if you have gender reassignment surgery it still doesn’t change the fact that you where born a male or a female. You will remain the same. That’s why I mention that every chromosome on your body is XY or XX depending on your gender. Again basic biology, you may look like a woman, you may act like a woman but at the end of the day you aren’t one. You don’t have the reproductive organs of a woman, you can’t bare children like one.

I’m not saying that people should be a**h**** to transgender people because frankly I don’t support that at all. They’re people like everyone else they have the same rights like anyone else so they do what they please. My issue is with people feeding into this delusion that gender reassignment surgery is this magical process where people can magically change sex. That’s not the case whatsoever. BTW while we at it there’s a big portion of trans people who do not in fact get the full surgery for very personal reason that quite frankly nobody should care about. So are you saying that they aren’t trans? That they can’t be consider the sex which they identify as? Because to me that’s a far bigger problem that me explaining basic biology.

Give me a break. It's not his IP anymore, he sold it. That's how property works - when you dispose of it , it's not yours anymore. And why would they want to invite a legal liability to their party so he can cause workplace problems? Im sure McAffee doesn't invite John to events because he's a kook now too.

@nessisonett

I refuse to believe that you become the other sex. All you've done is removed the reproductive organs and replaced them with other reproductive organs. Human beings are more than just reproductive organs. In fact, if you really want to change your sex, you would need to remove several bones (the pelvic bone, for example) and have that replaced because male and female pelvic bones are actually shaped so differently, that you can tell when someone is a male or a female just by looking at the bones. In general, you'd have to completely change the body (blood, DNA, chromosomes) to become the opposite sex. So, I'd say its possible to become the other sex... I don't think that's what's happening with current sex change operations.

@tr573 yeah that’s actually a fair point, I agree.

@dacangri12 @GothicZM I don’t think it’s anybody else’s job to tell people what sex they are or aren’t. It really isn’t their business and by people like Notch marginalising them, it can only be construed as being malicious.

@nessisonett
To proudly be heterosexual, and show that heterosexuals aren't boring, and aren't against colorful celebration of sexual freedom. There are those who would wish to broadly paint a different picture of the majority.

That said, I likely wouldn't participate. I'd join the regular pride parades, as heterosexuals are very welcome at those as well. Quite few parades still incorporate the word "gay", opting instead to be inclusive of all sexualities, and celebrate the focus on freedom, which I think is lovely.

@GothicZM and that’s exactly my point. It is not transphobic to just state a biological fact.

At the end of the day I have zero problems with you getting reassignment surgery. If you feel like is going to make you feel better about yourself and help you live a better happy life then go for it. I support you 100% but we can’t feed into this idea that the surgery actually turns you into a the opposite sex because it isn’t. I really wish it did though, I have a very close friend of mine who is going through this process at the moment and I got to tell you this is a very hard and intimate process. He has gone through a lot of depression but myself and our circle of friends have help him go through this and he’s infinitely more happy now that he transitioning . So the surgery definitely helps but he never claimed to be an actual man because he is very aware he was born a woman and that’s something he has made his peace with.

@Pod Honestly, well said. I would never exclude heterosexual people from Pride and I’m sure that others wouldn’t. The whole point of it is to be proud regardless of what or who you are. The problem is that these ‘straight pride’ events are mostly set up by Neo-Nazis and perpetrate feelings of hatred.

@nessisonett I would agree with your statement but he didn’t marginalized anyone. He literally said that a man is a man and woman is a woman. That’s fact and not attack on anyone. People are blowing this up way more than they should.

@dacangri12 Make no mistake, no trans person would claim that they were born the opposite gender. That’s why they transition. The problem with Notch is that his argument is that they will, and will always remain the gender they were born as. He insists that trans people are in fact mentally ill and that the media ‘celebrates body dysphoria’. Notch also makes the Twitter mistake of constantly replying to comments on his tweets and calling the users names. Which is childish, if nothing else.

@nessisonett I get that, but again he’s stating a fact even after you transition you will still be the sex you where born. Just your reproductive organs re arrange of course. He’s not wrong about Gender Dysphoria it is in fact consider a mental disorder. That’s not a bad thing is just another fact. Like I mention before my friend is currently in the process of transitioning and he suffers from this he has gone through many years of close physiological help to help him fight he’s dysphoria. But I think the part you’re getting upset here is him being a d*** to trans people on Twitter and calling them by name? Is that right? Please correct me if I’m wrong here.

@nessisonett
While that might be the case in some instances, one does not need to know Markus Persson particularly well to know that he wouldn't personally support hatred against a minority.

He DOES support a hateful minority's right to express their feelings, however, which is a very Scandinavian trait of his, and one that I share. Though I will conceed that Persson is being unnecessarily snarky and unapologetic toward those he takes issue with.

Hit me up the next time you're joining a parade.

@tr573
No break needed, I'd assume. Notch wouldn't want to be there. As you say, he sold it, and made no secret of selling it in part to get away from the fan community.

This is really just a news article about Microsoft feeling a need to damage control.

@Pod - To a huge company like that, this guy is just a liability waiting to happen. Their overriding concern is "make sure the shareholders are still getting good value" and literally zero else.

But...what exactly DID he say?

@tr573
The only other thing on their agenda aside from profits in that regard seems to be "let's make sure angry parents are angry because of something WE did with our draconic micropayment schemes, and not because of something a hairy moomin in a fedora said."

@PBandSmelly
As per usual in this kind of stories, he just didn't agree with the majority on how to correctly handly a delicate case of feelings vs facts.

I blame it on the Social Media. Before them we had no idea how awful some people were lol. The "You never should meet your Hero" is spot on. After I fallowed a couple of my childhood heroes on Twitter, I realized how petty, belligerent they actually were.

@mellatte

People forget that about freedom of speech. You have every right to say what ever you want because of that freedom. You are in no way promised the right for there to be no consequences to you exercising that right. I don't know why so many people misconstrue those consequences as some kind of censorship or removal of a persons rights. It's not. You can say what you want. If you are continually saying awful things I'm not going to invite you to my party. That's not an attack on anybodies right to free speech, it's me choosing not to be associated with someone who I feel isn't a very good person.

@MattFox

Social media has turned "never meet your heroes" into "never meet anybody, they're all terrible!".

@GothicZM

Why do you care either way? To me it's no different than people being gay. It has zero impact on my life, knock yourself out.

@GothicZM "Social media has turned "never meet your heroes" into "never meet anybody, they're all terrible!"."

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I couldn't agree more lol.

@MattFox

I was being more cynical than anything. It's true in a lot of ways. People say stuff on social media they would probably never have reason to come out with face to face. The ignorance of not knowing the person you're talking to is anti-vax really is bless.

Reminder that equal rights isn't a matter of opinion and if you disagree you don't have a right to anything

@MetalGear_Yoshi True. It's a lot easier to say something online than in real life, and not knowing the personal views of people really is better in most situations.

I use an extension called Unspoiler on Google Chrome to block subjects that I find either offensive,belligerent or down right stupid. Around here there's a mass movement against all Men, saying basically we're all woman rapists/killers etc, so I use this app to block these types of articles...

@MisterDevil I’m sorry but I disagree. I don’t think something has to happen to him for having a different viewpoint.

I will admit I don’t know everything he posted, but from what I have seen it just seems he has a different viewpoint. I don’t think we should hate him and I wouldn’t criminalise anything he has said.

The reality in life is we all have different opinions. Some things I believe will offend others and so forth. But in this modern day and age we are becoming too extreme. Someone tweets something and we condemn them forever. Someone has a view we disagree with and we want them imprisoned. For what?

The world has always been this diverse, but only now has it become this hysterical.

Everyone has said or done something that will offend someone else. The difference is usually if you know about it or not. It is ridiculous to demand that everyone associate with to have never said or done something offensive to you.

@Kienda When it comes to protecting a brand from today's political correctness, Microsoft made the right move. It's either they remove his name and association with him, or face a social media backlash storm and loss of revenue.

Business is business.

Better stay out of this........ RUNS AWAY

Well it's their party, and their franchise now. Unless Notch specifically made a deal to mention him in credits he can be erased from any Minecraft game from that point on.

Likewise when I have a party I don't invite the body confused like 'trans' and anorexic / boulimic people, no matter how lovely they may be. They're mentally ill. As soon as the taboo on that subject is gone, Notch will be cleared from being ostracized as 'wrongthinker'.

Thats kinda harsh..

@BAN Okay, with everything I've seen here, his comments don't seem that bad. The hyperbole takes it too far, but his opinions themselves are pretty standard views for Christian conservatives. There is indeed nothing wrong with heterosexual pride in itself as an alternative to gay pride (although, really, anyone's sexual orientation isn't really something to be proud about any more than having pride in having an "innie" belly button). There's also nothing wrong with opposing gay and trans lifestyles as long as you respect the people themselves. It certainly is "OK to be white," and there is a legitimate argument to be made as to whether certain pro-minority actions cross the line into reverse discrimination (although he is incorrect if he thinks all traditional rasicm is now gone).

His conspiracy theories may be troubling, but I can't judge them, since no one here or on Wikipedia has yet provided any examples.

Cheese, this article is making him out to be some kind of nasty racist or other kind of hate-filled ranter, when that isn't the case at all!

@mellatte Equal rights don't apply to matters of immorality. Do smokers have equal rights on where and when they can smoke or how much their cigerettes are taxed?

Meanwhile, call me when those equal rights are extended to all unborn babies, who have more of a right to live than their mothers have over a temporary part of their bodies.

Sad new but he got the money.

Lord Herobrine, grant me the serenity to not read the comments, the courage to not read the comments, and the wisdom to not read the comments.

reads the comments ugh

@Dogorilla awww.

@BAN is it not ok to be white? Or to be proud of being heterosexual?

@nessisonett Yeah, I'd totally forgotten about those unicorn surgeons that can change your chromosomes!

Honestly, I don't much care about if this Markus guy is allowed to the celebrations or not but what about Chad? Chad has been by far, the worst game developer on minecraft. He's done nothing but create controversy. I can understand a lot of things and Mojang are allowed to invite who they want but Chad? He should not be allowed. He's shown himself to be an anti-cat propagandist and a fascist.

Do not let him in over Markus. SMH

@BulbasaurusRex very eloquent. I wish I had read this before posting because you said everything I would have said, but better

lol, I think this time round was even worse than the previous article on the same subject. this is why normal people are reluctant to play online

I do think 'offended' gets bandied about too freely though. I'm basically impossible to offend but I do have an extremely low threshold for arseholes.

Edit to add: since posting this I've been wracking my brains to think of examples of things that offend me in order to test my statement. I've only come up with 'taking up three fold-down seats on a packed train with your sodding bike'.

@Nurfhurder If you’re asking me personally, then I think it’s fine to think and say whatever you want. The scary thing is that we live in a time and place where a large number of people think you should be condemned or even legally punished for refusing to censor your thoughts and your speech.

@TheAwesomeBowser Yeah, normally it'd be rude to not invite the creator who sold you the franchise, but Notch chose to distance HIMSELF from his game by making his misogynistic views public. He's only got himself to blame for this.

@Yorumi Couldn’t agree more. People are too eager to give up our rights in the name of not offending someone. But the avoidance of hurting people’s feelings is not even remotely worth sacrificing the freedom to think, speak, and act according to one’s own conscience.

He can say what he wants on Twitter, within whatever established bounds. Microsoft can fill out their own guest list. Comment explosion raging about people being offended. Nuanced as expected from the community that raged against a sick kid getting to play a game. I'll go back to not clicking the comment section.

@nessisonett "By saying that privilege is ‘made-up’ and supporting a ‘heterosexual pride group’, Notch is promoting exclusion. Heterosexual pride is the White Power of that side of things so all it does is spread division and fear, which leads to outright hatred."

lol

Marcus "Notch" Persson hated Nintendo..good riddance to the guy

@BAN

I've always been baffled by the need for white/male/straight rights groups... and I'm white/male/straight. Sure, my life isn't always perfect, and sometimes people treat me poorly for being who I am, but I've never been harassed on the street for holding my partner's hand, constantly had religious and government groups try to outlaw and vilify my life, or had to worry about getting pulled over because of profiling.

And being THAT upset when some overzealous SJW calls you out that you think you're oppressed just means you're a wuss and the not the tough man you claim to be.

Complaining about white genocide is never an issue worth bringing up yet Notch talks about it all the time. When ever that subject is talked about I don’t care if they are blacklisted from certain gatherings. Those people should be sent to their own island somewhere and if they get too rowdy we should ready the nukes.

@R_Champ I’m not upset and I never used the word “oppressed.”

@Protocol_Penguin considering how psychotic liberals are becoming "far right" views seem to be somewhat normal.

looks through comments section
This article was a mistake.

@mist Your opinion doesn't actually matter if you preach hate. Freedom of speech doesn't free you of the consequences of what you say.

@MetalGear_Yoshi

Not getting invited to a private party is a legitimate consequence. Not getting invited to an event at a publicly traded corporation, where the event has nothing to do with your controversial comments, is a completely different consequence, and shades into a form of coercion.
The actual consequence matters. Not all consequences are acceptable.

@BAN are you saying that it's scary that there are people wanting to legally attack people for speaking their mind? Yes I definitely agree.

@Yorumi I don't find that funny at all thats harsh there the makers of that game and there not aloud to a party about there game hows that funny..

@mist 20 years ago, people didn't broadcast the banal inner workings of their mind to millions of people. people need to get a handle on themselves, and if you want to talk about controversial topics, find the appropriate venue to do so. Mr. Rogers ran a children's TV show, was he on the news speaking to children about his views on race? no. He was on TV displaying his views for people to see. I agree with the repercussions, I understand folks that disagree though. Freedom of Speech still exists, however, a band like Black Sabbath should not insist they get to play say, St. Paul's Church. Conflating this with Notch's Freedom of Speech being infringed upon is highly hyperbolic.

@Nurfhurder Yes, that is what I’m saying. There’s a very large, very coordinated effort to stifle freedom of expression. Thankfully there’s a lot of opposition to it, but the fact that there’s so much effort being poured into a movement that seeks to invalidate our rights makes me nervous for the future.

Alright well I must have taken sarcasm seriously and I'm sorry for that. I completely agree with what you just said

It would've been nice to have some more context in the article as too why they wouldn't want him there. I know some of it is way too horrendous to put on this site, but you could always paraphrase.

@Pod He was endorsing racist theories that certain ethnic groups are naturally less intelligent and he said transgender people should be stripped of their human rights.

@LuckyErika Differing views? He literally peddles racism, homophobia, and transphobia. There's a difference between simply holding different opinions and promoting hate. People actually are targeted and list their lives due to this kind of thinking.

@BAN ok. Thanx for your answer. But I dont get this really:

”He also committed the unpardonable sin of tweeting “it’s okay to be white.””

Why is that an upardonable sin? Isnt it ok to be white anymore?

Corporations giving their creators the boot & shunning them is nothing new. The video game indestry is absolutely notorious for it. An industry where publishers retain ful rights to a francise, fire & replace the entire staff after completing a game, firing anyone who refuses to participate in overtime crunch, shelving completed games at the last minute that will never see the light of day, lobbying to discourage developers from unionizing, etc.

@SuperMlem Dude, did you really made an account just to say I was a fascist for comments I made tuesday? I'm sorry I made you feel that way but:

1. This has nothing to do with free speech. He can say whatever he likes as long as it is legal, and not being invited to a party doesn't change his ability to do so. Saying otherwise is pure nonsense

2. No one is being "depersoned" for "wrong think" (seriously, read the book please). As said multiple times. He is not invited to the party. He is still a person, he can still have all his money, and can make whatever project he wants. Microsoft just doesn't want to work with him, and that is their right too, or do you want to live in soviet russia where it's impossible to fire someone? Oh my (i'm just messing with you my friend).

3. The fact that I said 2 times "let's not make this comment thread a flamewar" yet you decided to join to say that my views were fascist makes me not like you very much. So yeah, you're allowed to say that I guess, that's your opinion. But now, you might understand that I really don't want to invite you to my nintendolife-commenting party. I believe you might damage my brand.

As a send off before you start insulting some new people on a random website, I just want to say to you that it's okay to think notch is right without forcing us to want to listen to him.

Just, take a deep breath dude. Calm down. No one is out to kill you or make you shut up. I just won't listen, and that's also my right

@Kienda nah I never said that we should hate him. As you have said I disagree with him based on my opinion since, as I have already stated, hating or spreading hate or fake news is going too far. Free speech stops there where you are going to hurt someone else's feeling. If not the world would turn into another chaos like back in the 30s with a new world war comming toward us. hates and lies combined creates more lies and hates which causes aggressions and tensions, never good.

@LuckyErika I guess racism is subjective so it's okay. What the hell?

@daggdroppen If you couldn't already tell from my tone in that comment and from every other comment I've made on this story, I was being facetious/sarcastic. Because these days there are a lot of people who genuinely believe that being white, or at least being proud to be white, is problematic and worthy of disdain. I'm not one of those people, I'm just pointing out that they exist.

@NIN10DOXD sadly, because of the overuse of the word, racism has become partly subjective.

Most people can define racism as hatred or discrimination against someone because of their ethnicity. But this is not always how it is applied.

Someone can say something like, “It’s okay to be white”, as this game designer said, and because of that he is labelled racist.

The reality is it’s okay to be any race. So a statement like that is not in itself racist.

I don’t know if he has made follow up comments to that (so the could be racist undertones) but I do know he was called a racist for that comment alone when there was no evidence of anything else.

Think about this though. The people saying that phrase is racist could themselves be accused of racism. They are saying it is not “okay to be white”. Or that one race cannot express self-pride.

In this case, racism is subjective. One side sees the first comment as racist. The other sees the aversion to the comment as racist.

@NIN10DOXD
That's a bit of a stretch.

@GrimReaper
Persson doesn't actually have any desire to be present at the event. He hasn't even commented on this news piece.
Microsoft makes this statement presumably because fans and news outlets are asking them.

@LuckyErika sorry I haven't write it clearly enough. What I meant was direct attacks like calling someone a b*tch or f*cking n*ggas in a mean way. Like calling a german: you f*cking N*zi, you should die. Ofc everyone can get offended by different things but I didn't mean it in every way like: you are my neighbor and I suddenly color my house in pink and it offends you, well too bad it is ok.

You get what I want to say? English is not my first but 5th language so it is kinda hard to explain -.-

@LuckyErika the ww2 was definitively impacted too with hate and lies (free speech in a way). Look up what Hitler said about the jews, nothing but lie. Someone got sick? The jews did it. We lost ww1? The jews. You got no money and job? The jews etc. Ofc Versailles played a big role too and the big crash in the 20s and 30s with the hyperinflation but you cannot denie the fact what Hitler did and said about the jews or the slavs, romas, etc had a big impact on the war too.

And I never denied that we have problems nowadays in fact I even said we have problems today too but with the hate going on in every possible way, we are going into a next world war.

There is no black and white and you are saying that it is funny that 12 years old kids are debatting here. Do you know how ignorant that comment is?? First of IT IS ALWAYS positive to talk about the past because then one thinks about it and it won't be forgotten. WW1 and WW2 should not be forgotten for example. On top if the adults don't big bullshits in every possible way why should teens and young adults protests and have so much frustrations? Based on your comment I will assume that you are a bit older now. So what have you done in your life for the future generations or even for yours? The climate change is gonna impact you too even if people say I will die in xxx years. Well good luck weather is already chaning drastically even today, people are already fleeing in million sbecause of weather but keep on doing nothing. Bombing whole Orient into nothing for oil helps too, millions of reefuges and so on and it fuels more hate especially in many old people but also young ones who get no job, no future security and garantee for a 'good' living. But keep on blaming the 'kids'. Keep on making everything like basic surviving more expensive, more costly, more destructive toward the nature and then be surprised why many young adults find no job, get depressive, angry etc.

Bye.