Soapbox features enable our individual writers to voice their own opinions on hot topics, opinions that may not necessarily be the voice of the site. In this piece, editor Damien picks apart Huawei's recent bold claims that its new Mate 20 X smartphone trumps the Nintendo Switch as a gaming platform...
This week, Chinese tech firm Huawei announced a new smartphone with a massive 7.2-inch edge-to-edge AMOLED display, gigantic 5000mAh battery, in-screen fingerprint scanner and one of the fastest (if not the fastest) chipsets to grace any portable device. The Mate 20 X is the company's flagship handset for 2018 and, short of a major announcement from one of its many rivals operating in the same space, could end up being the most impressive phone of the year – in purely technical terms, at least.
However, during the lengthy presentation which took place in London on Tuesday – during which the company also lifted the lid on the Mate 20 and Mate 20 Pro – it was one relatively small segment which seemed to capture the attention of the masses. Huawei bravely (or foolishly, depending on your opinion) compared its shiny new fondleslab to the Nintendo Switch, even going as far as to display an image of the console next to the phone during the comparison segment. CEO Richard Yu was bold enough to proclaim that the Mate 20 X is the "best portable mobile gaming machine" money can buy, and in terms of pure power, he has a point. Huawei's phone outclasses the Switch in practically every respect; it has a bigger and better screen, superior stamina and a faster processor. The thing is, specs mean little in the portable arena, as Nintendo has proven time and time again.
Remember the Game Boy? It had a black and white display and looked terrible when compared to the likes of the Sega Game Gear, Atari Lynx and PC Engine GT, yet it utterly smoked all of them and was still selling millions of units years after all those rivals had bitten the dust. The Nintendo DS was a similar story; facing off against the glossy and highly-desirable PlayStation Portable, the dual-screen handheld managed to shift over 150 million units, making it one of the most successful gaming systems in history. While its successor, the 3DS, isn't going to get anywhere close to that figure, it has nonetheless comfortably outsold its closest rival, the PlayStation Vita.
Nintendo knows that power means little in the portable sector; it's the content that is king, and the Switch has the likes of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, DOOM, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Dark Souls: Remastered, ARMS, Splatoon 2 and Super Mario Odyssey in its library, as well as a seemingly endless selection of amazing indie and third-party releases. Granted, Huawei made a point of highlighting its phone's ability to host the likes of Arena of Valor (a recent Switch release) and PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds, but even with the weight of the Google Play store behind it, the Huawei Mate 20 X can't hope to seriously compete with the Switch when it comes to pure quality. The gulf between smartphone and console gaming remains pretty huge, despite the presence of some excellent mobile titles (a lot of which end up on Switch in the fullness of time anyway).
What makes Huawei's approach interesting is the fact that it has taken inspiration from the Switch Joy-Con to create an optional game controller which bolts onto the side of the Mate 20 X and, in part, backs up the company's claims that this is a 'serious' platform for gaming. The visual similarity between this controller and Nintendo's Joy-Con is plain for all to see, but hands-on reports from the event in London suggest that it's a million miles away from providing the same user experience. For starters, there's no right-hand portion to this controller, so the player still has to use clumsy on-screen buttons for many actions. The device also makes the already huge phone feel even more unwieldy, which is hardly what you want when you're gaming for prolonged periods of time.
Putting aside the massive disparity in price – the device is expected to sell for over £1000, but mobile contracts obviously mitigate that expense to a degree – it's impossible to think of this as anything but an attempt to grab the attention of potential customers; does Huawei genuinely think its phone can challenge the Switch in the console space? I'd suspect not, and I'd like to hope that the firm has looked at previous attempts to usurp Nintendo with products that fall outside of the games arena and decided against putting too much stock in such claims, beyond headline-grabbing. Lest we forget the legendary failure that was the Nokia N-Gage, or even the Sony Ericsson Xperia Play – a handset that, even with the backing of the PlayStation brand, couldn't challenge its mobile rivals, let along the might of Nintendo itself.
Nokia – which was arguably at the top of its game in 2003 – assumed that it could challenge Nintendo's Game Boy Advance with a device that offered a similar degree of power but twinned that with the ability to make calls and send text messages. It managed to marshall a reasonable degree of software support from the likes of Sega and Electronic Arts, but fumbled some key points; the phone's portrait screen was terrible for gaming, and on the original model, you had to physically remove the battery to swap cartridges. And how could we ever forget the 'meme-before-memes-were-a-thing' wonder of side-talking? The N-Gage QD solved some of these issues, but it was too little, too late.
The Xperia Play wasn't quite as disastrous and actually garnered plenty of praise at launch; it used Google's powerful and popular Android OS and was capable of playing classic 32-bit PlayStation titles as well as standard Android games – retrofitted with physical controls, of course. Even so, sales were reportedly poor because smartphone owners didn't want to be seen with what could be misconstrued as a gaming device; surprisingly, no one has seriously attempted to completely fuse a gaming interface with a phone since, with the accepted trend being wireless controllers which bolt onto your phone (as is the case with the Mate 20 X).
When you see a company like Huawei – which, let's not forget, has been stunningly successful in the mobile space and is now the second largest manufacturer of smartphones, after Samsung – claim that it has created the best portable gaming system available, it's vital to recognise the importance of marketing at a time when many handset makers are competing with very similar products. Pretty much every smartphone you see these days is aesthetically identical to the next, and many are even running the same processors and basic OS, or use the same screen technology. Differentiating your phone from countless others has become something of an art form, and Huawei's boast should be taken for what it really is: a promotional tool that is expected to shift a few more units.
Taken at face value, it has worked; would we have reported on the handset had the comparison not been made? Of course not, but we did, just like many other sites who would have ordinarily ignored it, and now a much larger potential customer base is aware of the Mate 20 X's existence. Perhaps a small percentage of those people will think twice when they're next shopping for a new phone (hollow boasts aside, the Mate 20 X does look pretty special, as long as you're comfortable with a phone that won't fit on your pocket), and Huawei's cunning plan will have worked.
If anything, Nintendo should be flattered by the comparison; when you're trying to make your product stand out, it only makes sense to contrast it with the best example already available – and if you're a handheld gamer, then that's Switch.
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Wait...so the Huawei controller attachment is really just in one side of the phone? Hahahahaha! I thought that was just in the slide. What an awful design. Man, that company is the worst!
So do you want a Switch, from maybe the best know gaming brand in the world, or a half baked attachment from a company that was banned in the us (from govt use), caught cheating on mobile benchmarks, and blatantly copies Apple & Samsung, while costing 3X as much as Nintendo’s offering?
I’ll take the Switch for my gaming needs and almost any other manufacturer for my mobile phone needs.
A big fail. Trying to think Switch owners want to pay high prices for the phone and not to mention the data plans will outstip your funds because you went over your data limits. Forget about storage it doesn't have the power dedicate to gaming.
Who would even buy their phone? Gross.
This is good, competition breeds excellence.
@NewAdvent The only issue is that the portable console they make would then compete with the playstations and be weaker. And people buy playstations for power not exclusives like Nintendos large library
@Dazzle I have the One Plus 3 which is a Chinese phone. I bought it when it came out 2 and a half years ago and it's the best phone I've ever bought, it's a beast and still going strong to this day. .I used to always buy the top of the range Samsung's but no more. From what I've seen in the past couple of years it's the Chinese phones that are setting the standards now, screen size, huge RAM etc...
Who cares?! Competition is great for us consumers.
This article is embarrassing.
I hope it will be the last who try that in such a bad, dumb and ugly way. I actually would like an alternative to Switch because of that subscription, but not something as bad as this Mate 20 X.
It must have many more physical buttons of course, I mean good quality buttons and good quality D-pad since quality is very important too, and be less expensive.
It is so stupid to make the most powerful device possible when you don't even have games for it lol
Why one should buy this to play Candy Crush or something like that when there are games like Skyrim, Mario Kart, Mario Odyssey and many more on Switch lol
I would have considered buying it if it was A LOT more cheap and had A LOT more buttons.
It could have been even less powerful than Switch because games that need such a powerful device are not available anyway
Buttons and a much cheaper price would have been so much more important in that case!
How is it possible that NOBODY at Huawei thought about it???
They must be completely crazy!
This isn't genuine competition for the Switch, it's a marketing stunt. Calling a device with a 7" screen a "smartphone" is absurd. If you want a portable gaming system then you buy a Switch for a third of the price. If you want a smartphone then you look for something that will actually fit in your pocket. Nobody is going to buy this thing.
@Dazzle I mean, it’s not like internet-connected personal devices weren’t already at risk of privacy issues. I’ve always assumed that anything I put online is going to be free for anyone to see. Like having a conversation in a public space.
Can i ROFL right now ?
@Dazzle How is being made by a big Chinese company any worse than being made by a big American company like Apple? Corporations are all as shady as each other, no matter where they come from.
@Dazzle all smartphone are "Chinese Made". So is the Switch
Not like they making iPhones in Germany or the US 🙄
Lest not forget they cheated on their smartphone testing so that's all you need to know here.
I refuse to buy any Huawei products due to their connection to the CCP. That is a personal reason, and I do not expect people to care about that. But, this is laughable from top to bottom to be any real competition to Nintendo's sheer dominance in the portable market.
The last real attempt to take their crown was the PSP which has the title of being the portable that got the least demolished in the sales department by the GB/DS line of Nintendo products. That and the PSP actually did very well as a Nintendo alternative.
The Mate 20 seems like a product from a company that does not understand the gaming enthusiast market. It will not appeal to the casual audience because it is too expensive and has no real benefits to those already playing Candy Crush on their iOS and Android devices. That and those who want a portable experience for dedicated gaming will just buy a Switch due to the massive cost difference between the two products. That and due to Nintendo's robust 1st party offerings and strong Japanese support will maintain control over the traditional markets. And if they really want a portable gaming device with the top of the line graphics and AAA games and cost is a none issue, they will just get a high-end gaming laptop and install Steam. That and do not get me started on the lack of buttons...
This entire display just seems like a very shallow attempt to get headlines with no real bite to the bark.
@Rafke it is even worse than the N-Gage because back then it was difficult to understand how bad the N-Gage was before trying it yourself.
This is something everybody already knows exactly how it will be: a smartphone with uselessly big amount of power with less exclusives than the N-Gage (0 exclusives is less than the N-Gage lol) and no physical buttond priced more than 1000 bucks
lol
It is much easier to understand how bad it is even before you see it with your own eyes lol
Might be okay for TATE mode games...
Honestly. Huawei's phones aren't even bad lmao. Yea, they're failing with this one but I have the Honor 7x and I'd much rather have this over any overpriced iPhone or even Samsung
love people here trying to make it about Huawei and China, and not that it is 1K to play trash like FF Pocket Edition and random Puzzle Games
The same garbage people later try to defend when it comes to the "Made in China" Switch
Mobile games in general are the problem, no hardware will ever fix that - not even the Switch. The Hypocrisy is laughable. Thank your lucky stars for Valky, ZBOTW, Xeno.
@Agramonte Oh, I have personal misgivings toward Huawei and the CCP. But my own feelings about a company has nothing to do with how much of a bad idea this is. This device has no real appeal to the Gaming Enthusiast market (which would be the prime target demographic) or even the causal phone consumer market. This is a specialised device with no real ace in the hole outside of the fact that on paper it has more horsepower than the Switch. But the software quality is not even close to comparable and it does not even well enough equipped to get console experiences on the go without major control compromises.
The phone is actually great. It might not do gaming better than the switch but surely it’s a phone that does other things like call. Texts. Email. Work
@Wexter
I ALMOST bought HuaWei smartphone 2 years ago (Well, cheap HuaWei smartphone).
I bought Vivo Y31 instead just for working in school purpose (Notification from WhatsApp) & NEVER use it for gaming (Except Miitomo, but it was discontinued on May 2018) because i know mobile games are Mostly BLAH.
@Anti-Matter in the same boat. Bought a Google Pixel 2 and almost never use it for gaming except Fire Emblem Heroes. Whenever I'm in the mood I just pull out my Switch. That is why I do not see this product as any real threat for Gamers time or money. I mean a $1,000 for a glorified mobile gaming device is laughable.
@Wexter you can fix the control issues. MFi adapters exist. And Apple spent billions trying to jump into gaming also. The Apple TV was going to be a Home Console. People made fun of the 3DS screen and WiiU at MacRumors and called me a fanboy when I would post it will never work.
You nailed it... "Specialised device with no real ace in the hole". Just Tech (and horsepower) for tech sake.
Nobody needs this to play Candy Crush. ZBOTW is what makes the "Tech" in the Switch an "experience"... If you do not have the software, just another gadget.
Three things that phone can do that the Switch can't, surf the web, call your freinds and family, use multimedia apps. Just seems like every other phone to me.
I'm just suprised EA hasn't jumped on that phone yet.
Why does this keep getting brought up? Several articles openly mocking competitors looks petty, everyone with a brain knows no one will be able to compete with Nintendo unless they magically gain the first party library. You're giving attention to something I guarantee no one had even heard of until it was brought up here multiple times. Who cares?
A PS4 portable on switch factor would make sense anything else would be dead on the water.
@Dazzle Like an iPhone then, or maybe a Samsung.
@RedMageLanakyn @SBandy
I guess Nintendo consoles being superior to phones is what we have to cling to nowadays.
@Agramonte As far as control compromises I was referring to the out of box usage. The expectations that the end user has to fix a device to do what it was more or less designed to do with 3rd party products is a bit silly. Especially when the entry fee is a grand.
But yeah, the biggest issue mobile phone companies (Apple/Google/Amazon) have had to really penetrate the market the same way Sony (1995) and Microsoft (2001) did is that they treat it like a phone/tablet that can be used on the TV. They lack killer applications that turn it from a novelty device into a must have product. Sony had Final Fantasy VII, Spyro & Crash, and Microsoft had Halo & Fable (eventually Gears of War) and we all know what that did for them at the time. Without that they are just generic consumer devices that will lack that "must have" element that these devices need to really captivate the rather fickle market that is gaming.
I do not seen anyway Huawei can do what Apple, Google and Amazon have all failed at doing.
@Mountain_Man The only people who could be interested in a phone that big are women who can put it in their handbag, and I don't think gaming is a big draw for that audience.
There's nothing special about this phone and to be honest the whole mobile market has been stale for a few years with no real advances in hardware that make any meaningful difference to how we use them. As far as mobile gaming goes, we'll frankly it's garbage dominated by apps disguised as games that are designed purely to take your money and with less depth than an Atari 2600 game
@Wexter
"The expectations that the end user has to fix a device to do what it was more or less designed to do with 3rd party products is a bit silly. Especially when the entry fee is a grand"
100% with you. It is also an "extra" that publishers have no idea how many people own so will not even implement. I'll give you that also.
FF Pocket Edition, Dragalia Lost and Lineage 2 Revolution are not even MFi controller compatible on iPhone. Basically hit or miss.
The only ones rattled are Nintendo Life.
this company continues to make itself look like a fool theres no way this device can compete with the switch and no way in hell anyone would pay that extreme price for it.
This thing looks like complete and utter crap lmao, too big to be a good phone and too crappily designed to want to game on.
As for copycats, I do hope Sony makes another portable and slaps Bloodborne, Persona 5, and the God of War games on it. That's if they bother supporting it, because we all know how well they treated their last one.
@Dalarrun i agree its going to flop big time for them.
@PrincessBowsette
It'll do okay in China I think, but that's it. Actually scratch that, even if China is big on mobile gaming I can't even see them paying $1000 for a phone that's entirely too big.
It's a big ass phone ain't it??? ... I love Huawei but not in games ... The ngage was awesome but it came out at the wrong time, looks cool though
@Dalarrun they cant just rely on china on sales if they dont get other sales from other countries the company is going to lose alot of money.
@PrincessBowsette
Oh I know, I was just saying that if it'll sell anywhere it'll be in China. Even if it does okay there it'll be a big flop.
@River3636 Huawei had a bigger market share than Apple last quarter. This phone, in particular, has the strongest Android processor and triple cameras on the back, and their Pro version has an in-screen fingerprint scanner. Definitely think they will be lots of potential customers mate.
But how do I play MARIO KART with friends ON MY TV with Huawei and the others? 🤔
@Hgos i dont see any gamer from any console buying this overpriced garbage its a dam ripoff.
Competition is great but when you're offering mobile phone games on an already over priced phone (this thing would cost upwards of £50 quid a month on a 2 year contract), you are not going to be competing with the Switch.
@Razer it's not even going to compete with other Huawei phones, at least I don't think it will. It's as big as a tablet, I know I wouldn't get a phone that big.
Cant hellp but wonder if the 455 Hats that make that GameVice will attack Huawei over this... as well.. it more closly resembles there tacky accesory way more than the switch and yes iv used one... there stand alone controler is far better even if its just a XBox clone controler
While Huawei phones are actually very good, people here are too stuck in their own worlds of brand loyalty and denial. Lets be honest, the switches specs are nothing to brag about. There is a market for big phones, especially for actual professional grown ups, and they're honestly not even trying to compete with Nintendo. It's marketing that's actually working, getting their name and phone brand out there and actually making Nintendo fans twist in their seats because a Chinese phone company dared to challenge the switch.
It's funny too because if you're going to copy the Switch and GameVice accessory, why only go with one side? This Huawei design is beyond stupid because you still have to use touch controls for buttons and a second stick.
@Epiales
Lmao dude you don't seriously think this phone is going to compete with the Switch when it comes to core games do you? Make your device as powerful as you want, doesn't mean much when your selection of games comes from the Google Play Store.
@Dalarrun you know what i would have probably gotten it had it not been so expensive.
Im due an upgrade this month and have been looking at new phones, I'd have defo looked at this on the merit that its a gaming phone and I'm a gamer.
But as it stands its just too expensive, i hardly want to spend £35 a month, which with most the phones I'm looking at nowadays, it seems to be that. But let alone 50+ a month, thats just really over priced.
@Epiales sorry dude theres no way this garbage device is going to compete with the switch since the switch is way ahead of it in sales and big game library.
@Dalarrun and consider I'm actually talking about on a 24 month contract...
Imagine buying this device outright to replace your Switch with... That actually costs £900+ and plays nothing more than Android games 😂😂😂
@PrincessBowsette It's never meant to be a console. It's an Android gaming phone. You can now play Fortnite, Arena of Valor (league of legends) and PUBG Mobile, which are considered "real" games. If that's not your thing, it'll certainly be perfect for Netflix and Youtube.
@Razer
Well yeah, I just think that until we start seeing more actual games on the Play Store instead of cheaply made free to play puzzle games, marketing your device as the most powerful Android device means very little. I have the Galaxy S9 and it's not ridiculously big and plays every game I've downloaded on the Store. If people want a good phone for phone games, fine, but this thing isn't going to compete with a dedicated gaming device with actual good games.
@Dazzle sarcasm? All smart phones and the Switch itself is Chinese.
@Hgos eh, those three are still considered pretty casual, and playing with touch controls is objectively worse than with a controller for shooters.
@Hgos im not saying it can be used in other ways but competing against the switch in gaming market thats a big no.
I'm afraid that the way gaming is going with paying additional money to unlock the full game and FtP that eventually console games will become just as janky as mobile. Hopefully that never happens though.
@Hgos see this was what i was thinking... And i get my phones on 24 month contracts... But phones of a similar price on 24 month contracts are costing £50+ a month.
Thats a bit much when you can purchase a phone that does the same things you just said for £30 a month.
This is just going to be too over priced.
@Dalarrun @princessbowsette Y'all clearly don't read well since you are all clouded by your own judgement. I literally said this it was a marketing statement because it's not actually trying to compete with Nintendo. There's actually a fare amount of mobile games available that have masses of players. Huawei has sales of 50million last quarter, the switch sold 20 million. People use phones more than the switch. If you want numbers, look them up. Next time read someone's comment before you act like an unknowledgable brand loyalist. I said clearly that it was a marketing statement which clearly works since you're trying so hard to defend the switch.
@Equinox I switched from Android to Apple in February and couldn't be happier...
@Epiales
Phones sell more than videogame consoles? It's almost like one is a thing you NEED in modern society. Hmmm. Next you're going to tell me grass is green lmao. Next time address my actual argument instead of stating the obvious. Mobile gaming isn't going to eat at Switch sales my dude. I've downloaded hundreds of free to play mobile games and don't remember 98% of them, because the best of them were only fun for like two days. Mobile gaming and dedicated gaming are two different things.
@Epiales bs man the company ceo stated they want to compete against the switch which is not going to happen and dont be that one guy man.
Also another thing to consider is lifetime here... Phones get old after 2 to 3 years and are not even sold in main stores after, only ordered online. You won't find anywhere official that stocks a smart phone from start of 2016 and we're only at the end of 2018. My phone now is an LG G5... Released in April 2016, cannot find it at all now.
This is about 1/3rd - 1/4 the lifespan of a typical console these days.
@Dalarrun Had to point the obvious out to you since you obviously couldn't read clearly and obviously didn't get a simple marketing stunt.
@Razer phones get milked to death just like cod to many different versions.
@Epiales
It's a bad marketing stunt that no one takes seriously. No actual gamer believes that mobile games offer the same experience as core ones.
@PrincessBowsette Any publicity is good publicity, try thinking outside the box instead thinking from your fanboy mindset.
@PrincessBowsette yeah it's a bit ridiculous at the rate in which their released... Twice a year new models get made, each company taking turns... Once in Spring again in Autumn...
It's past stupid now to be honest.
I mean these guys proclaim their competition to Nintendo and by that time the year after will have a new phone in the market with better specs and the year after that even better specs and the gaming phone you got for 900+ is worth less than 300...
Then by year 3 its not even supported in OS updates anymore 😂😂😂
It's prohibitively expensive. It's not vying for Nintendo's audience, it just needs enough people to buy it to make back their investments, and even that'll be a challenge.
@Dalarrun again, all publicity is good publicity as long as they spell your name right. Not that many people in the western market know the name, now every Nintendo site is talking about it. Easy.
@Epiales
So you label anyone with common sense here a fanboy? Nintendo sites are talking about it and making fun of it, not all publicity is good publicity my friend. If they had just marketed is a good phone for mobile games that'd have been fine, acting like it's serious competition for Switch just turned it into a meme.
@Epiales really resorting into insults man grow up dude i stated a fact that this device has no chance in competing with the switch in gaming wise.
@PrincessBowsette
He calls us fanboys because we have some common sense, it's hilarious and pathetic.
@Dalarrun Your lack of arguments and facts are pretty apparent. You use your opinions and the obvious is mobile gaming revenues covers more than 50% of the industry.
@princessbowsette it's only an insult if you find that term offensive. I never stated that the phone was trying to compete with the switch and you jumped right on my comment because it clearly offended you.
Anyways, y'all have fun. Business is business after all.
the Game Gear was better than the Game Boy in my opinion
@Epiales
I think I've made my argument pretty clear. Mobile games are mostly casual cash grabs that do not have the same appeal to gamers that games like Breath of the Wild, The Witcher, Dark Souls, Red Dead, etc. do. You coming to a fan site mostly consisting of core gamers and arguing the opposite to us is a fruitless endeavor. If you're not arguing that, I don't know what you're doing. "Phones sell" is not what we are discussing, we're laughing at an obviously bad marketing ploy that no one with any knowledge is going to believe. Calling me a fanboy because I'd rather play Zelda or Mario than Candy Crush Saga makes you look silly.
@NOOGA
Loved my Game Gear! Pokemon and Link's Awakening were my favorite handheld games during that time, though.
I still rather to push buttons instead touch screen. It doesn't feel fluid to me at all
@Dalarrun don't get me wrong. I LOVED my Game Boy. I just enjoyed my Game Gear more lol
Smart business strategy. Bad product, but smart business strategy.
By that I mean “challenging” the Switch. The Switch has quite a name for itself at this point and even non-gamers have heard of it - when I take mine out around friends and family who aren’t gamers they still ask, “Hey, is that a Switch?” It’s fairly well known at the moment... by calling it out, news articles all over will post articles about it (seems to be working). If they hadn’t done that, I guarantee they’d have a fraction of this attention... but as anyone is business knows all publicity is good publicity. The goal is for as many people to know the name as possible, that’s the first step in marketing. And that is good business sense.
Do I think this will do anything other than flop? No, as I said it’s a bad product. It falls into the trap other “gaming phones” have: too big for a phone, too powerful for a phone, not enough good games, too expensive, etc. Most people don’t spend $1000 on consoles, let alone handhelds... and by relying on Android they literally only have the games every other phone has. Games optimized for every other phone, meaning that power is wasted.
Their mistake wasn’t their marketing, it was the product design. Had they had a good product, publicly challenging the Switch would have benefited them. It’s a quick way to get the name out there, and while nobody would’ve used it as an alternative to the Switch, if it was a good product (such as a good phone for a reasonably price with a controller attachment, take away most of the power to cut the cost way down because the power is unnecessary) then people would buy it. This was clearly little more than a marketing stunt, and it achieved what it set out to do (get people talking about it), the real problem is that it’s just a bad product, and no matter your marketing you can’t really save that.
@baller98 I was with android from 2011 until this year. Lots of Samsungs and LGs. I preferred LG over Samsung though.
@ShadJV
Yeah I mean I guess you're right as far as marketing goes, but isn't the point of marketing to sell a product? I actually believe that comparing their phone to the Switch might do more harm than good in the long run. People who want to game but don't know much about the Switch might take more interest in it, realize it plays better games with a better control scheme at a much better price, and turn to that instead. Like you said, the power of this phone is wasted on the kinds of games it can play, and it's barely pocketable.
@Epiales
Can you tell me AAA & lower from Mobile compared with Nintendo Switch ?
@Anti-Matter Flappy Bird of course!
@Dalarrun
Olala....
@ShadJV This is EXACTLY what i think.
Had it been reasonably priced with that attachment, essentially a modular gaming phone, i would have defo got it.
I'm due an upgrade and i would defo had looked at it on a 24 month contract... If it was about half the price... On a 24 month contract this thing at it's current price point would cost you upwards of £50 a month.
After 24 months thats £1200 at the very least, for Android games too?... Nahhh buddy... Not for me.
@Dalarrun yes and no. Marketing majors generally teach you the first goal of marketing to get people to KNOW about your product. However you can do it, the more people that hear of it, the better, which is why a small fish calling out a big fish is generally a good strategy even if the small fish can’t take the big fish. A GOOD product sells itself and all marketing really needs to do is get people to hear of it (reaching as many people as possible) and get people to remember it (jingles or memorable events). Once again, a good product sells itself. Had they not done this, much less people would have heard of the device... and it would still sell bad, possibly even worse, because the fact remains that it’s way too expensive and powerful for what it does. The marketing was fine, either way the only people who will buy this are people with a lot of money to burn who are either lacking in intelligence or just like novelty (who once again, have a large excess of money so this is peanuts). It’s highly unlikely they lost more sales than they gained here due to more people hearing of it this way.
Once again though, none of it matters as a bad product will almost always flop unless you already are ahead in your industry (at which point brand loyalty can do a lot for awful products... but naturally it will still damage the brand loyalty when they start to realize how awful it is). This device was dead on arrival and whoever in marketing told the CEO to present it in the way that they did was doing what they could to try to salvage it. The most they can do at this point is shoot for some short lived internet fame, get a small number of rich people to buy it anyways day 1, and... that’s about it. The people who buy it likely won’t recommend it to anyone so I don’t see many sales outside the first couple months if its life. For less than a grand you can get a much better phone that can more or less match this as mobile games don’t need so much power... and the “gaming” aspect was really all that set it apart in the first place.
@Razer yep. Biggest problem there, and I’m certain they could’ve at least cut the price in half by lowering the power and its “gaming” potential wouldn’t have notably suffered. No matter how they marketed this, it was never going to succeed. It wasn’t well thought out it seems, baffles my mind that no one in development was like, “guys, is this all really necessary for Android games?” Or maybe people did and some bonehead leading the team made them do it anyways, as mobile gaming is big - good intention, bad execution.
This whole issue is made worse by the fact that by January 2021 this phone won't even be sold in official phone shops and will have dropped in price by 75% costing about 1/3rd than it does now.
And also won't be supported in OS updates by the start of 2022 as is standard practice nowadays.
Switch will still be going strong, especially if they can get same time frame out of it as they did with the 3DS and DS... Switch will be good until 2024 with tweaked versions along the way.
Yes but look at the power! Power people, power!
@Razer couldn't be more to the truth-they have to keep making money so why should they keep supporting it. They always have to update the phone to make money. And Nintendo if it is the 5 year plan until the New Switch 2.0HD comes out. But can still play the old games and upcoming games will still play in the older Switch models. This is not something Smartphone do and the O/S in the Smartphone most likely would put a end to that.
@SwitchForce Waaaay before 5 years... Phones drop OS support after only 3 years now... By April 2019 my LG G5 won't be supported by OS updates anymore.
Sony's slide phone/ gaming device was ahead of its time. If someone tries that again with actual support and quality software it could easily take off
@SwitchForce The worst part actually is the value... Like you said they need a new phone on the market by the end of 1 year for this phone.
Meaning you spend £900 quid say in April 2019 for this phone, by April 2020 it will cost £500 and by April 2021 will be below £300 and by April 2022 won't even be supported anymore.
Essentially losing all it's value within 3 years.
Remember the OUYA console was failed android gaming devices.
@Razer I left that out on purpose because I'd be talking to the wind only at that point. Smartphone is all about hey look at my new phone I went Broke buying it and now I can't eat the phone when I am hungry.
@NOELQUEZON that actually failed for a plethora of other reasons.
The Nvidia shield actually does okay as an Android gaming device.
Basically the issue with this isn't the type of games or OS.... Its 100% down to price, even for a phone this is expensive. Also after 3 years the OS support will be dropped, which makes the price worse still, but that's beside the point. The price kills it at the door.
However, Huawei Mate 20 X have Augmented Reality. But does not announce Mixed Reality Headset for Huawei. Is there a Huawei Mixed Reality Headset making still up too.
It's amusing to see people genuinely upset over this phone.
@HollowGrapeJ
Yeah I don't get it. I know they basically got on stage and tried to take a dump on the Nintendo Switch, but that's all on them.
This device doesn't change anything if you're a fan of Nintendo, except maybe competition making everyone try harder.
@Alucard83 agreed playing games on actual consoles with controllers is far better then playing on phones where your fingers get cramped over time plus phone have over heating issue the longer you play on them.
It's interesting that Huawei's unveiling comes shortly after Sony's announcement of withdrawal from the handheld market.
Well the Mate 20 X Pro can play Mario, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, and Fire Emblem*, so it much be a competitive portable gaming system.
*Mario Run, Pokemon Go, Animal Crossing Pocket Camp, and Fire Emblem Heroes
@PrincessBowsette It's not 2012 anymore. Most big budget phone games support Bluetooth controllers nowadays. The whole "Phones only do touch controls" narrative is naive. Here's a couple of examples of what phone controllers look like in 2018:
@yuwarite doesnt change the fact majority of gamers like gaming on their tv and play an actual handheld that doesnt over heat like a phone does.
Nintendo: https://media.tenor.com/images/7124164cbf717a4b3f072fa8d44fe34e/tenor.gif
Serious post, Huawei makes some pretty damn good phones. However, fighting Nintendo on this one takes balls. Whatever they do, competitors always struggle going head to head with the big N on this one. Of course, there could be a moment in time where Nintendo loses to a competitor, but I don't think Huawei is the one to challenge them seriously.
@PrincessBowsette But that's not the point. You were talking about controls. How someone prefers to play is irrelevant. And I'm not sure why you keep bringing up heat as if every phone is going to blow up or something. Plenty of phones including mine handle that just fine over long periods of time.
Sony gets by OK without Nintendo games and so could Huawei. My Sony Xperia can play PlayStation games, if I had a PlayStation that is.
It's not if but when the Switch gets serious competition.
@HollowGrapeJ i never said they ll explode but phones are not meant to play games for along period time hence phones do get over heated at times plus the phone battery gets drained really fast as well but doesnt change the facts phone games are inferior to console games.
This irrelevant, garbage company knows that it can’t compete with the Switch. They’re just using Nintendo to get some free publicity. You should stop helping them do that.
I don't think any Nintendo fan here is concerned or upset about this, more than anything we just find it hilarious. Stay in your lane, phone games.
Is it actually a competitor to the Switch though? Correct me if I'm wrong but the Switch isn't even officially sold in China, where this thing will, by far, do the best/will be the main market. And does Huwei's phones really have a market outside of China? Another thing, the prices for the Switch and this device are night and day. Third, this thing is a phone that has a (half baked imo) controller attachment. You buy a cheaper and smaller phone with a better functioning controller attachment for less money.
If this wants to capture the would be Switch market in China, it also needs it's fair share of top quality games. Not saying all mobile games are bad, but can you play something on the levels of Odyssey, BotW, Skyrim, Doom, etc. etc. on mobile? Not really.
I think some people don't even know that phones with built-in controllers (other than the Xperia Play) exist. The Much/Snail W3 and there was one by JXD too. Both chinese companies, I admit, but lately, I found that most innovative products are comming from chinese companies like Xiaomi and GPD.
I played Skyrim on the go on a GPD Win quite some time before its release on Switch. The GPD Win is actually a Win10 PC the size of a 3DS with built-in controls. Played Marvel vs. Capcom 3, Xcom, replayed the Mass Effect Trilogy on it, Borderlands, Crysis, Life is Strange, Final Fantasy X remastered, Lego games and countless other PC games. It was about the price of a Switch when I bought it. I just recently sold it because I'm planning on getting the GPD Win 2 soon, which is even more powerful (but also a lot pricier).
I also bought recently a Xiaomi Mi Box, which is the best Android TV box you could buy for under $100, and the build quality is practically Apple-level.
Chinese products aren't always crap. You just need to buy products from established chinese brands.
I wouldn't have a single problem buying a Huawei or Xiaomi phone. Most companies build their products in China anyways, and sometimes use parts from the same manufacturers.... (CPUs, memory chips, storage, etc...)
@nessisonett I agree, I have no doubt that governments all over are courting big businesses for access to their clients data.
And a lot of parts from most phones etc are made in China anyway
didn't do your homework again !!!
NOT including the 3rd party portables that use the regular cartridges from the console systems, there was in fact an official, 1st party portable Turbo Grafix 16, it also took the console's original credit card sized cartridges, called "Hu-Card", it was about twice the size of the original Game Boy, but it had full color, back-lit screen, high res (for the time) 16 bit graphics, but also had a small add-on accessory that turned it into a portable TV, it ate batteries like cray, cray, but it was awesome !!! and held its own against Nintendo's portables for some time
@ICISAZEL
I love the Thunder Cats logo
I mainly watched it for Cheetara....the Thunder Cats "Ho"
Huawei got exactly what it wanted when it compared its phone with the Switch: free press coverage from outlets that wouldn’t care to do it otherwise.
Don’t you all get it? Would have Nintendo Life or IGN or most of the other sites writing about this took notice if the comparison with Switch hadn’t been made? The answer is a rotund “no”.
This was a brilliant strategy from Huawei’s PR department and it worked wonderfully.
This phone can’t compete with the Switch because it’s not in the same market, it’s comparing apples to oranges, and Huawei knew about it, but by doing that they put their phone in the point of view of people that wouldn’t have think twice about it otherwise. It was a brilliant PR move.
What actually amazes me is that not a single site seems to acknowledge this and all are doing exactly what Huawei wanted giving them press coverage that it wouldn’t get otherwise.
@KryptoniteKrunch
One thing that i'm afraid from mobile gamers is they DON'T Care with the quality of the games they played. If they think the crappy mobile games are Better than Actual Great games from consoles, they will NEVER Want to try Better games. They can make excuses like these :
"What is that game ? My... that's too hard, i don't know how to play or what should i do. Ah, my mobile games are still easier than that console games."
"Is that game FREE ? I don't want to pay anything. I want Free games."
"I don't need games like consoles. Look, i have Free mobile games that looks like from the consoles, so why should i spend more money if i can get like this for Free ?"
"What a strange looking games. That games like copycat from games i played on my phone. I'm not sure it will be interesting."
"Made by Japanese ? Yikes !! I want games from China !"
"Sorry, i don't know anything. I only know my games on my phone."
"Does it have Mobile Legend or Fortnite ? If not i don't want to play consoles."
"Gosh, console games are so expensives. I don't have enough money to buy video games. I still have to buy something important, games are Not important. They should make it Free for all the games."
"Is that game (Console games) also on Google Apps Store ?"
"What the heck was that ??" (Keep playing with mobile games, didn't care with console games existences)
"Is that games (Console games) can be pirated ? I want to buy console games but must able to be pirated. I don't have a lot of money to buy Original video games because the police here will NEVER arrest us. They (the police) also buy pirated video games, so ....."
"Is that thing can call someone or watching Youtube ? If just only playing video games, i don't want to buy. We are too old to play video games. Video games are for kids, right ?"
If those peoples keep making excuses to NOT buy console games with Better games experience, No matter how great the titles, they will ONLY Care if the games are FREE & Can be pirated. Otherwise, they will stick on their smartphone. In my opinion, i blame them for their lack of knowledge & stubborness to NOT educate themselves for something Right. Their laziness will make from Business aspect thing if peoples keep buying the Absolute Ridiculous Overpriced smartphone, as long they use it for gaming, doesn't care the quality of the games, they (the Business company) can call it a Huge Success. They don't think about the quality of the games whether they know or not about the games on the consoles, they just only care with sales of smartphone selling. Also, since some peoples do NOT really cares about gaming trends, No matter how popular the franchises, on some country, those franchises treated like NOTHING.
@maruse
just because they got attention for it by comparing it to the Switch, does not mean it was brilliant, believe it or not, not "any kind of press is good press", they offer a screen resolution that is becoming more and more common among newer cellphones now, so BFD, it's screen size is ridiculously too large for a phone, but has also become more common now a days, again BFD, better battery ??? is it really ??? the phrase "up to" has ALWAYS been a misleading (but effective) phrase in marketing, and if trying to play REAL games that are heavy on processing resources, the battery life will probably be comparable to the Switch battery life....BFD, then the hand control.....
a single side, sold separately accessory that even some other phones have available, hell, it's not even a remote controller and as far as been said, there is no TV out ?!?!
so what are they REALLY bringing to the table with this "Switch competitor ???
oh yah, a $1,000 price tag, the cost of 1 Switch and 9 $60 games
so again, it's a regular, over priced cellphone, with a sold separately accessory and none of the benefits or abilities of the Switch, how does this compare at all, it's not a gaming system, there's nothing to distinguish it from most high dollar modern cellphones, it's a clone
no one is going to fall for it, even a small little survey was done here, everybody thought it was dumb, the marketing idea was dumb and no one was going to fall for it....
so I ask, "how is this a genius marketing strategy" ???
@PrincessBowsette Most phone heat is completely normal; processors are generally designed to stand the heat. Also, Switch uses a mobile SoC like the ones found in phones and it too also gets pretty hot. It's less noticeable because the Switch is held by the Joy-Cons, but Bluetooth gamepads for phones alleviate phone heat in the same way, so it's a moot point.
There was a time when smartphones were largely just relegated to casual games, like Candy Crush, etc, but times have changed. Mobile SoCs get more powerful each year, and more people are buying modern high spec phones. As a result the market for big budget phone games is growing, which is why we're now starting to see more hardcore games come to phones. Also, hardcore games are doing incredibly well on phone; last I heard, Fortnite on iPhone was making $2 million a day.
@jhewitt3476 You’ve got everything I said backwards.
I never said or even implied that the phone is good.
I don’t even think is good for gaming no matter how beefy the specs might be.
What I said is that the PR move of comparing it to the Switch was a brilliant move because it gave them coverage that they would not have gotten otherwise.
Please, read again my post.
There’s probably enough people just in China who have too much money, pump lots of cash into games they can play on this, and would probably jump at the opportunity to plop down just for the swag of flashing an expensive phone to cover investments. Probably not even a main phone, just something for mobas and selfies on IG.
@maruse
I didn't misunderstand, I got it, I also said, that it got them the wrong kind of publicity and will make them a joke, people aren't stupid and that attempting that kind of publicity is far from brilliant
@jhewitt3476 Well, they got what they wanted, which is to make people that wouldn't care otherwise be aware of this phone and all gaming outlets playing to their tune writing articles about it.
So, yes, it was indeed a very clever and brilliant PR strategy, even if I personally can't agree with it.
Huawei is the first company who thought releasing a powerful mobile phone with half of the needed physical controls via a half-assed accessory, a ridiculous Apple-esque price tag, and no new compelling software whatsoever was going to be competitive in any way.
Basically, Huawei thinks "horsepower = success and nothing else matters."
Here's more reason it won't work...
Huawei caught cheating performance test for new phones:
https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/06/huawei-caught-cheating-performance-test-for-new-phones/
Huawei was caught cheating on phone benchmarks (updated):
https://www.engadget.com/2018/09/07/huawei-was-caught-cheating-on-benchmarks/
Huawei caught cheating benchmark test for P20:
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/9/6/17828534/huawei-benchmarks-rigged-p20-3dmark-ai
Now tell me again you want to gift them 1,000USD? Plus has no real way to vent cool the system properly. But all their comparison has given the Switch free ads that they must spend 1,000 to equal what a 299 system can do and Portable/Dock to your 1080p HDTV along with multiple players and Online(Splatoon 2)and local LAN gaming. That's all the best they can do.
Id love to see some proper competition for the Switch but this isn’t it
@yuwarite not disagreeing but phone games in general are meh at best with a few exceptions but overall i think console and hybrid system/switch are worth playing on for better gaming experience.
@jhewitt3476 thanks man
@PrincessBowsette I'm not questioning your preferences. The point I'm trying to make is that you're using outdated precedents to discredit phone gaming, and not factoring what's actually happening right now (and in the future) for hardcore gaming on phone.
If this were a few years ago, I'd agree with you. But with the way mobile technology is rapidly evolving, with a userbase of millions of people buying high spec phones, it doesn't take much common sense to see that phones will eventually become the next major platform for AAA development.
@electrolite77 how could they. They don't have IP rights to those games to start with. So right off the start they are a massive fail.
@NewAdvent Slow down there, bud.
I hate to be "that one guy," but your logic is too extreme to be taken seriously. Now, there's no doubt in my mind that Sony could create a good Switch clone if they tried. Big name IPs, a good pedigree when it comes to hardware, deep 3rd-party ties... all they'd really need to do is ensure PSN works consistently and we have a moneymaker on our hands.
But eliminate Nintendo from the West? Pardon me, but in what alternate universe are you living where that is a possibility?
The West will never lose its love for the Big N. Even today, Americans still get hyped when new Marios and Zeldas get unveiled... and with good reason. What makes Nintendo work isn't their exclusive titles; it's that said exclusives are (usually) crafted with a level of care and effort you won't find anywhere else.
If Sony were to do what you said and make a big effort ro compete with Nintendo (and I think they will, considering how much cash the Switch has made), Nintendo would still be a dominant force. It wouldn't be a rout by any means - rather, it would be a back and forth similar to Genesis vs SNES or Playstation vs Xbox (and perhaps PC).
TL:DR Can Sony make a good Switch clone? Yes, and they most likely will. Will this be a fatal blow against the Big N? Hell no.
@NewAdvent they had a proper crack called the Vita and it sucked
@sauce
between the PSP 3000 & all the Vitas, I didn't see the point of upgrading, if they had made them with a complete button set like on the PS 2, all the PSP's & Vita's would have sold 10x better because the the ports from the original PSX & PS 2 would have sold it by itself
ok, that was weird, posted my same comment 4 times ???
I think that Huawei wants attention. They want people to talk about them. Outside of China they're not well known. I don't think they want to seriously compete with the Switch - but if they can get some gamers to buy their phones instead of a Galaxy or iPhone, they did their job.
@MarioFan02 Sony could've it was called the Vita but they made quite sure to kill any future developments for it as it came from their very own mouth. Sony already gave that up to Nintendo when they kill the Vita that made it quite clear to any developer wanting a portable console to go against the Switch. Why else would they now jump to Switch where more user of all ages and gender can have a more immersive gaming experiences. Most of them aren't looking for AAA games but games made with care as you mentioned that graners more than just hardcore gamers. That's where the real gamers are coming from and will keep your business going.
@NewAdvent Sony couldn't make it otherwise why kill their Vita as I posted before there were very obvious reason why it never launched with fanfare. They were their own worst making and have no one but themselves to blame for its demise of the Vita. They were so rabbid on the PS4 Pro and forgot the bigger picture AAA wasn't going to carry you over. Nintendo is staying ahead of the curve - they are ahead trying to say otherwise show very little forethought in such comments.
@NewAdvent
A Sony portable would have been DOA whether it was released 2 years before or 2 years after the Switch.
I don't think you remember how badly the Vita flopped, not just in its hardware sales but in its software sales. As badly as the Wii U sold, it had an engaged audience that bought a ton of software, which helped the Switch immensely.
@NewAdvent Yes... and one of those devices will be a new Switch, as reported by the WSJ.
Oh, and they apparently have enough cash to go 30 years without selling stuff... and still not post a loss.
Nintendo's gonna be just fine, bud. They'll find a way - always have, always will.
Funny thing here is we got people going into depth talking as though they are Nintendo insiders but couldn't be more out of touch with Nintendo happenings inside. For the rest of us glad Nintendo came back roaring and the others got scared.
Meh, from what I've seen it's only the journalists talking much about this. The rest of the consumers just laugh at Huawei's expense. Let the folks enjoy Candy Crush at 60fps, we'll enjoy our First Party games on the go. Nintendo is letting the games do the talking and so should we shrugs
One thing missed by the article:
Nintendo managed to snag the portable gaming market in a simple way – GameBoy was cheap. It had Tetris, which helped a lot, but it was less than half the price of Lynx.
DS sunk at first until Nintendo adjusted the price. It was a failure and many predicted big N would be retreating from that market, giving ground to PSP – but then they cut the price and DS rebounded.
And now Switch costs a lot less than $1000.
If anything ever was capable of convincing me to actually buy an Apple phone, it's Huawei.
Remember when Sprint and Clearwire merged and part of the terms of being allowed to merge was the removal of 100% of Huawei provided WiMax tower equipment as they were caught using it for spying? Yeah...good times.
Everything on the internet is possible to be stolen, sure, but it does help if you don't give Al Capone the combination to your safe so he can check on it for you.
Comparing to the best in the industry will give Huawei free marketing exposure. Smart dudes.
@NEStalgia You know there are plenty of other completely trustworthy Android phone manufacturers, right? And have fun jailbreaking your Apple phone just to run emulators.
@yuwarite Of course, that was kind of my point though I avoid Apple like the plague....but given a choice between them and Huawei even I'd end up with Apple
No need for emulators though. I own a Switch and 3DS precisely because phones have enough going on to eat their batteries without needing games to do it too.
I'm not sure if you mean running emulators on your 3DS or Switch, or just regular games for those systems. But... if you were talking about running emulators on 3DS and Switch, then that requires even more effort than jail breaking an iPhone, and comes with a much larger risk of being banned from Nintendo's online services.
Nintendo, objectively, does not want you to hack or run software from unknown sources on your Nintendo devices, and you can't say for 100% certainty whether they are or aren't working on measures to ban such users now or in the future.
As for battery life, that's subjective to how you use your phone. But millions of people are playing games/ playing emulators, etc, perfectly fine on their their phones, without any battery life related problems.
@yuwarite Nono, no emulators on Switch or 3DS, I just meant gaming devices rather than phones.
There's a lot of reasons to not play games on phones for me (battery, controls, not liking most of them, etc) but battery sure is a thing. Yeah people do it. But people also rely on recharging it more than once a day and putting extra cycles on the batteries etc. On an average day I have 55-65% battery remaining. Sure there's more to spare but constantly deep discharging isn't the best way to use Li-Ion, and since it's a phone and useful for things a lot more important than games, I'd rather keep that power reserve available. Kind of a mute point though, as I'm not into touch controls, and if I'm going to carry around a controller, why not just carry a 3DS or Switch and get better games and not wear the battery?
@NEStalgia couldn't agree more on the primary reason for my mobile when you need to make that call it has the juice to do so. Wasting on games that doesn't pay me to use my phone battery and data charge plan that's pointless. Playing candy crush on the phone does nothing to help when you need to make that call.
@NewAdvent I doubt it if only because Sony couldn't unify their platforms.
The best part of the Switch is that it's Nintendo's primary (increasingly only) platform with most if not all of their effort poured into it.
They're able to do this because they had no strong hold in the home market to lose and their last home console wasn't particularly powerful so a hybrid console like the Switch doesn't feel like a downgrade to past customers.
If Sony tried this their efforts would be immediately bifurcated. You'd have the PS4 team, the new Vita team, and probably a PS5 team as well.
Sony can't unify their platform because of the limits of portable technology. The Switch can play some modern AAA games with a lot of elbow grease (and help from Panic button) but it's clear that the hardware is at its limit with those.
We're at the end of the current generation and as the floor rises for AAA games a Sony hybrid console would have to rely on its own ecosystem separate from that of the PS5 which will undoubtedly go on to square off against a greatly specced up Xbox Two(???)
Now if they did this they could get some devs on board like they did with the PSP and less so with the Vita, but I think its highest aspiration would be a PSP type situation. A decent amount of sales made but a clear second place player in the market.
More likely then not though Sony wouldn't likely be patient enough with it in order for it to grow into a mature platform and you'd probably see another Vita situation.
Sony as a whole isn't what it use to be and its Playstation division is what brings in the most revenue, so its tolerance for failure and mediocrity there is likely quite limited as the rest of its divisions from mobile to films continues to flounder.
@velvet_spaceman with the updates to the rendering in Wolfenstein has improved alot that seems to poke holes at the wording hardware is at its limit.
Here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04abxSm7Vz8
@SwitchForce it runs fine on the Switch but with a lot of additional effort, and this is a current gen game made to run on 5 year old hardware.
Look to the next gen when the base model home consoles will be more powerful than the current Pro models. That will become the new aim of AAA game devs, and those games being ported over to something like the Switch will be either next to impossible or take way more effort than most devs would like to bother with.
That same reality would be true with Sony which doesn't have as strong of a first party game lineup to force onto their theoretical hybrid.
@velvet_spaceman 1.1 to 1.2 is called update without Nvidia GPU change. Yea the home models more powerful but can't be portable. That's not going to make sells. And those games don't sell like Switch games. Keep living those AAA dream land it's not stopping the Switch.
@SwitchForce We're talking about two different things here. I'm not talking about the success of the Switch, the Switch has two things that Sony doesn't which males their situation different --Nintendo's library of massively successful first party franchises, and a unified dev effort (all their games are on one platform.)
I think the Switch will remain successful with or without major AAA third party support, especially since for the most part they haven't gotten much of it.
Sony on the other hand relies on third party AAA game support, without it they can't compete with Microsoft. Nintendo is kind of in their own corner and has been since at least the Wii, but Sony and Microsoft work on a different strategy that demands major support from third party devs and can't necessarily break away from that strategy so easily.
And AAA games do sell extraordinarily well, last years best selling game was Call of Duty: WWII, and the next three games were all third party AAA games. https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2018/01/19/the-best-selling-video-games-of-2017/#2be0eac36226
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