Huawei Is Launching A New Gaming Phone To Rival The Switch, And It Costs Over $1,000

But isn't it still limited to just what's on the google play store?

Only 1000? Cheap!

This probably isn't gonna be people's wish lists for Christmas.

It's Android, so what users will be getting is 50% utter trash, 49% microtransaction-riddeen gacha games and 1% of ports of decade-old games.

Yeah have a feeling Nintendo is really worried about this new rival to the switch. Since everyone can just spend 1000 euro for a phone

A better screen, bigger battery and so on is all well and good, but, what GAMES is available on said device? Some good ones no doubt. I'm happier with the Switch which I can play Zelda, Mario, DK, Pokémon, Smash and the like.

LOL
$ 1,000 ?! NO Physical releases ?!
No Thanks !
Mobile games are Mostly Blah.
Good luck, Huawei.

@StarmanSSP I wouldn't tell anyone to start trusting big corporations, but I'd advice against trusting government agencies just as much. Just saying.

I doubt Nintendo will be worried about this lol

Those white joy-cons look lush though, if only they were real !

at least it's not an iPhone 😁

Because everyone knows the best games are played on a touch screen... with tapping and swiping.

“Do you think the Huawei Mate20 X will become a serious competitor in the portable gaming market”

Come on NL... you guys wrote this article knowing that they have zero chance in competing against Nintendo. Forget about that exorbitant price, the device will probably only have casual mobile games that are on App Store/Android which will never be able to compete against the Switch plays console games and have their rich IP to support it.

Even larger than the Switch and it's supposed to be a phone?!

Speaking of Nokia, remember the N-Gage?

Gaming phones is nothing special. It's just a lie and a marketing trick.
Even last years Galaxy S8 have more power than Switch.

The problem with phones, is that 98% of the game doesen't support gamepad. Only around 1000 games supports Gamepad on Android.
99% of the games on Switch isn't even available for phones.

On a 1000$ "gaming phone" you are stuck with simple touch games which works on even much cheaper phones.
There is no such thing as gaming phone until devs start supports gamepads.

Android itself have supported Xbox 360 gamepad's etc. natively, but devs refuse to add gamepad function in games.

"Yeah, but does it play Breath of the Wild?"

The Switch part is at 50:50.

It looks like the mobile phone substitute not only the Nintendo console, but also the new Iphone X, movie theaters with its Dolby Atmos thing and it also make your laundry and get the kids after school. Worth the 1000 Trumps!

Welp, at least it has a better dpad.

@setezerocinco
Dolby Atmos on phones etc. isjejdjndkdjddmfjfnnfnd. Also. Cell phones speakers is terrible on 100% of the phones existing today as there isn't room for proper quality speaker inside the "box".

Atmos sound system requires 12 speakers and a huge room for it to work.

Wait so... that comparison on the screen there, that's to scale? Who's gonna buy a phone -a device most people like stuffing in their pocket--that's pretty much as large as a Switch? These people really didn't think this thing through, did they.

It's over 1000!

@Inkling At least apple could pull this off properly. This is just utter garbage

I can't even think of a switch level game with controller support besides minecraft, which, requires a full set of buttons, not half...

But if it had two joycons and good games, it could have been interesting. I'd still much rather buy three Switches of course.

@Moroboshi876
With $ 1,000 i can buy 3 Nintendo Switch machines with assume MSRP = $ 300.

Bigger is rarely better without the proper stamina. Good games anyone ?

To be fair. It’s a phone competing with smartphones not the switch vita or 3ds

😂

Its still a phone that runs on android at the end of the day so the games wont be exclusives or quality ones beyond emulators and android games that lacks polish and depth. Still different worlds rather than competition.

A 1000$!!!!

Panic over.

This thing is going to die on its feet.

There is a reason the switch has a 720p screen, games would need more power at higher resolution which would drain the battery.

And Huawei can proudly say how low the battery life on Switch is, on both devices that depends per game + most smartphone games never run at max resolution mostly lower.

Yeah but let's be honest, the West isn't the market for this. This is going for the huuuuuge mobile gaming market in Asia, particularly China. If Apple can charge a $1000 for a phone, I think this will sell ok in its target markets.

Huawei make cracking phones, some of the most innovative premium phones on the market. Same goes for other Chinese brands such as One Plus and Xaomi. They pack real power too so no doubt this will be a beast. At the end of the day though it can have all the power in the world but if the only games to play on it are from Google Play Store, what's the point! I don't understand why they've only added a controller on one side either, I presume it's detachable so why not go the full way and add one to both sides? Even if it could run the latest console games, a half controller would surely be enough to turn some off of it.

@OberonPrime : 1000$ to play same simple touch games as on a 300$ phone.

@Robzilla That's what I was gonna say!
Nothing can be a 'best gaming' competitor when there's at most a stick and dpad only. Blegh!

@Rayquaza2510 If you run a heavy 3D game on a 1000$ smart phone, it will drain the battery in 1-2 hours.

Nope. Android gaming sucks. Microtransactions hell

@StarmanSSP

I think it's sad that you think Huawei was involved in a scandal. That is not true.

It's a bigger scandal that American agencies say Huawei can't be trusted, without giving any evidence for that.

These agencies have ruined Huawei's possibilities to get any success in the US.

Huawei has big success here in Europe though. Here they sell the most phones after Samsung. But in Europe they can also compete on equal terms with other companies. Not like in the US.

Maybe the American agencies have a backdoor in every Apple device? And then thinks the Chinese government does the same thing with Huawei devices? But apparently they can't prove anything.

@Ventilator
Atmos requires 7 speakers minimum for a reasonable setup in 5.1.2. (Which is my setup)
Atmos is just an object sound algorithm meaning it can place sounds in a typical 3D space.
With phones all it does is essentially mimic gaming headphones by expanding the sound field of stereo sound, sure it doesn't beat true multichannel setups but it's supposed to help in gaming.
Note that any mobile game is worth Atmos anyway lol

The 'Mate 20 X'? More like the 'Nah Mate x20'! Amirite?

I would say I am curious but cautious. Look at the N-Gage, also was an amazing concept for the time but had no games what so ever. As person that loves and all forms of handheld gaming I am interested but for that price range I need to know what this things can do and in detail, what it will offer in terms of exclusives. So I will keep an eye on this for now and start saving but will see closer to the time whether it is worth buying.

LOL

@NIN10DOXD

Yeah... Like the Americans were putting chips in Angela Merkel's phone.

I don't trust American agencies, just like I do not trust Chinese agencies. Non of them are trustworthy from a European point of view.

I fully expect this to do just as badly or worse than the NGage.

@Ogbert
Yeah or the nah nah nah nah nah mate mate mate
(Lol the big lez show)

What, it only has the controller attachment on one side? That's just weird. Seems like a throwaway peripheral that very few people will actually bother using. But I guess it's fine as an option for those who want it.

@felix330 Atleast N-Gage had physical controls and got supported by Sega, UBI soft and others.
N-Gage's strength were Half-Life, Quake and tons of other free ports from PC.
N-Gage got new software/games daily for over 2-3 years because of it's big homebrew community.

The PSP couldn't beat the GBA, this won't even come close to the Switch...

Lol! Pass. I'll pick one up in 10 years time for €50 if emulation is good on it

This is like a YMCA player trying to dunk on LeBron.

so, it costs more than 3x the Switch (or a Switch and NINE $60 games), and the control is optional, sold separately and no mention of ability to hook up to a tv.......
I particularly like the mention of "Increased Portability", when the device looks the same size as the Switch base, add on the "optional control" and seems like it's "increased portability" drops to almost equal to Switch", misleading marketing, yah, nothing new there.

sounds like any regular iPhone, but they hope for third party game producer support

that is NOT a "Rival", it's an attempt at a "Marketing Campaign" against Apple, they will not be able to "Ruin" anything for gaming or Nintendo

@SmaggTheSmug Yes, I had an Ngage original and an NGage QD. I actually liked them, a few unique games released for it including Ashen/Pathway To Glory/System Rush and The One a great fighting game...... I still have an NGage QD packed away. I remember Sega released quite a few games for the thing, Sonic, Puyo Pop, Virtua Tennis and Super Monkey Ball. They even did a very limited release of Sega Rally but it was rubbish... Civilisation released on the NGage and Call of Duty.....

@NIN10DOXD

I am pretty sure, there hasn't been given any evidence that Huawei was involved. Then it would have been a big issue for European agencies and governments as well. But it isn't.

There are many Chinese companies, but the American agencies likes to make a scapegoat out of Huawei. But they seem to have no evidence behind their distrust.

@NIN10DOXD
"This is like a YMCA player trying to dunk on LeBron."

LOL

@Ventilator Yes it had good support from Sega & EA Games released Two Fifas for it and a version of SSX/Tiger Woods. A great version of the original Tony Hawks was also released on it.

How would you hold that without your right thumb permanently resting on the screen?

They remembered the D-pad, forgot the right joycon

@Yozora146_ : I use 7.1 setup myself, and it costed me around 4000$. I use 2 front, 2 side, and 2 back speakers + Center and Subwoofer. Good subwoofer is very important, so i bought a fast one at 1500$.
For full usage of Atmos, it's recommended with roof speakers too.
You don't get Atmos 3D sound with only wall speakers.
DTS:X and Auro 3D 11.1 have same requirements as Atmos 3D.
No phone game supports Atmos, because it's only a gimmick on a phone.

This is funny. I would afraid Huawei but at this price no chance.

This is gonna play Hay Day so well.

With no good games to play the battery will last forever!

the smartphone market is going insane. anything with a screen that large is a tablet in my book. wish there were smartphones with smaller screens and good specs available, all these new ones are too big for me. yes, I'm old.

Well, it has a proper d-pad... Yet no actual physical buttons.
One step forward, two steps back.

While I own what would be considered a gaming phone (Razer phone) I would never think of it replacing my switch. In fact I only have 1 game on it because there was only one decent game I could find. Honestly it only appealed to me for the 120hz refresh rate and long battery life.

@StarmanSSP keep eating the blue pills.

I appreciate the STEP towards making their phone a "portable gaming machine", but it's literally half a step in essence, and it doesn't seem like the rhetoric motivated Huawei to at least add a second USB port (which is what I assume does the trick) for the second half of a traditional control scheme. A stylus is still a debatable alternative to face buttons. And while a bigger battery is nicer on paper, Switch is not something you need for phone calls, chats, photos and tons of other purposes people tend to use smartphones almost 24/7 for.

As for competitors, GPD Win 2 has also been touted as a Switch killer in some circles - at 700+ bucks for a portable PC you'll have to tinker with for many (ironically including older) games to work well. Although with its built-in gamepad and an OS that opens the door for multiple compatible titles and gaming libraries, it still seems like a more viable and relatively cheaper option. ¯(ツ)/¯

Personally I almost hate mobile phone gaming at this point. I am not a fan of touch screen gaming I will take buttons anyday and the microtransactions I mean the pay to win has more than jumped off the deep end in my opinion not to mention all the advertisers you are subjected to just to play a 15 minute session within most phone games . I will take the Nintendo Switch over phone gaming anyday even if the phone was priced at 100.00 dollars . I own a Samsung Galaxy Note 9 its a nice phone with tons of potential for gaming even VR gaming but when I want to have a gaming session it is the last place I go, I pick up my Switch or place it in it's dock or grab my 3DS or play the PS4. Mobile phone gaming has become insane in my opinion and not in any good way.

I'm having a bit of a "haha" moment seeing them do this comparison. Huawei has no idea how to brand or sell something like this properly.

Future standards for phones and tablets will likely allow any device to hook up with others close by, to emulate quite well what the Switch does in table top mode. Which really is it's selling appeal. The graphical power isn't.

The input/output configuration of Huawei's phone here appears to be largely the same as it has been for smartphones since the first iPhone, however. Which is why it probably won't move anything anywhere.

@OberonPrime : I would compare Gameboy to Atari Lynx as Lynx were the most powerful handheld competitor. (Nintendo were offered Lynx, but Nintendo didn't want it.)
You forgot Wii which outsold PS3 and 360.

I always said the same. The weakest systems always outsold the best ones because of games.
3DS sold tons even with "gaming phones" existing for years.
Switch sells great, because it's superior to 1000$ "gaming phones".

dont think this is a worry, firstly switch is home/mobile device, i mostly use it on tv but some times take it outa the dock, also a grand to play angry birds? really unless they will have some special content but they dont got the IP N has

Huawei just made themselves the laughing stock of the gaming community with this dumb comparison

Huawei chill u didnt make a gaming console

two positives about this 1) more press for switch because of comparision 2) switch needs to get into china market, having a device that is trying to compete with it could help

Sign me up for NONE.

@Ventilator "99% of the games on Switch isn't even available for phones."

The Switch is actually getting a lot of mobile ports (and for some: viceversa) - a recent, famous example being FFXV: Pocket Edition HD.
So I think 99% is a bit too exaggerated. 83% would be closer, I think.

Just wait till the Nintendo Switch Pro comes out and how Huaweis phone will be like compared to it

I dont understand why many phone companies are trying to rival the nintendo switch by making their phones being more powerful than the switch. Do they not realise that nintendo has been making consoles since the 1980s and games like Zelda, Mario and Donkey Kong are something which many have played in their childhood

Ahh Huawei, the company that always lies about what their hardware can do. Good luck with that.

@MasterJay tbh I don't think Apple could pull off a console, they tried recently with the Apple TV and that just fell apart

@jockmahon Switch can't actually get into the China market, the China market is heavily monitored and controlled by the ruling government in China.

The same government that has been stealing IP's from the west for years, the same government that hasn't had the most cordial of relationships with their Japanese neighbours.

Although China would be open to letting Nintendo or Sony or even Microsoft into their market, those businesses are not stupid enough to do such a thing as within 5 to 10 years they will be facing stifling global competition from random Chinese gaming companies that will pop up outta nowhere with billions in funding provided to them by the state.

It's EXACTLY what happened when Apple went there...

@OberonPrime :Exactly. You can't get 3D sound from 2D setup.
If you go full "nerd" for 3D sound, you hang a chair from the roof and place one speaker on floor below chair too.
And as we know, it's technically impossible to get 3D sound from stereo. Especially not on a phone where there is only 5-10.CM between speakers. Dolby Prologic decoded from Stereo, but you still needed atleast 5 speakers for it to work.
In most normaly living rooms, it's pointless to have more than 7.1.

12 speaker setup requires a great distance between speakers to get the proper flow of sound between speakers.
I can barely get the right flow, if any even with 7.1, because the living room is 6 meters long. There is 2 speakers every 2 meters, and that's too little. "Living room".. It's actually a home cinema/gaming room room in my cellar.. lol

I use a Monitor Audio GSW12 Subwoofer (Black polished wood, and not gold) and you get sub sound on old movies which you can't get sub sound from a standard 500$ subwoofer.
Specs here:
https://www.monitoraudio.com/en/support/past-products/gold-gs/gsw12/

You can catch me on da bus crushin’ dat candy at 600fps in HHHHD.

@Ventilator
Totally agree on phones it's a massive gimmick
Oh I forgot my setup is 5.1.2 the .2 being two overhead
my av receiver only supports either 7.1 (with no atmos)
Or 5.1.2 (with atmos)
atmos is totally worth it though just wish switch supported HDR and atmos via HDMi

Here is a possible scenario:
You load up an intense JRP and are hours deep into a fierce battle. You are set to give a last ditch effort to launch a sneaky counter attack when suddenly the game freezes and the screen displays " Unknown number".

Right about now you realize you forgot to turn off your phone and you have not reached the save point essentially wasting hours of effort. Phone gets hurled and now you are $1000 poorer.

Yea nooo thanks. I'm happy with my $200 phone from them but there's no way I'd ever pay $1000 for one of their phones. I'd rather just go back to Apple at that point

If they don’t have any compelling software and are just relying on existing mobile games like PUBG or Fortnite to sell it, it is unlikely to make much of a splash.

The PSP made a nice dent in Nintendo’s portable division because it actually had some very good games, and one of the greatest launch lineups in gaming history*

Top of the list is probably the original Xbox, followed by the PSVita.

lol good luck with that

@OberonPrime

Greetings fellow audiophile

will sell my switch tomorrow!

@OberonPrime : Sorry. You had Wii on the list.
Electronic Arts didn't believe in Nintendo Wii and Xbox 360, so they had a bunch of exclusives for PS3.
When PS3 failed to sell, EA ended up making many Wii exclusives, also focus on 360 for other EA Games.

Sega does indeed have a huge catalog with great games, including lots of killer arcade games. It's more than what Sony have as you say.
Sega doesen't push much of their franchises, because they don't have their own console. It sucks that the wonderful Dreamcast "failed". Infact Dreamcast didn't fail. It sold 10 million consoles in short time, had a killer line up. The new Sega boss killed off Dreamcast without even giving it a chance. It would easily have sold as many as GameCube/Xbox 1 did. Dreamcast had a huge list of quality games, and didn't have much showelware.
PS1, PS2 and Wii were the kings of showelware.

I have Atari Lynx on my shelve here, and still working.
It have it's best game inserted. Californa Games.

The wierd thing is if you want to do voice chat you will have to download an app on your Switch and use that.

How can it directly compete when they fail to mention how it compares to the Switch when its docked? Basically, I'm saying at the end of the day - it's still just a phone. Unlike with the Switch, everyone already has a phone and no one will pick that one up just to play games. It's absurd. Switch does a few things it's closest competitors don't and that's why its thriving. This, however, is just another phone.

Give credit where it's due, it circumvents the Switch's need for a phone to do voice chat by being the phone.

@RadioHedgeFund Top of what list?

If the gamepad MotoMod never took off, this thing doesn't have a chance. (and I own a Moto Z Force and Z2 Force, and still bought two Nintendo Switches instead, $70 MotoMod vs $300 each Switch)

It’s nice to see that this company is thinking about gaming more seriously on a phone.

I’ll still take the technologically-inferior Switch any day for one reason: Nintendo IPs.

You are not going to see Zelda, Mario, or Metriod any time soon on the Mate 20.

razer makes one too that looks better.

gaming phone is a silly way to market it. there's very few good phone games and the best are iphone.

i guess it may make a good emulator device but N need not worry about these things.

razer makes one too that looks better.

gaming phone is a silly way to market it. there's very few good phone games and the best are iphone.

i guess it may make a good emulator device but N need not worry about these things.

@OberonPrime
I laugh when people buy a Dolby Atmos sound bar for their TV bundled with 2 small wireless speakers, claiming their have full Atmos setup.. lol
I also laugh when people claim 4000$ setup doesen't give better sound than 400$.
Funny thing, is that 4000$ isn't even that high-end and nothing to brag about. (I have a "mediocre" setup for that price.)

A great home cinema setup with Atmos probably costs around 8000$ +/-.
If you want to decode Atmos, DTS:X and Auro 3D 11.1..you need a pricey amp. Atmos is not enough. I have Blu-Ray's with Auro 3D and DTS:X too. All 12 channel formats.

Anyway. there is no such thing as a good Soundbar. I always get flamed for saying that, but it's true.
And people claiming a 500$ is about the same as a 1500$ TV...

Even my mom which have no tech skills at all bought a 500$ Samsung TV, and said it had terrible picture, and swapped it in and added another 500$ to get satisfied.
If my mom can see the difference, anyone can.

Anyway. My Lenovo tablet have a Dolby Atmos logo, and to date i never found the "Atmos sound" on it..haha

Hardware does not matter. You can do 2 side controller like a Switch with an iPhone also.

Problem is, Most Mobile games are garbage.

So "IF" I were interested in buying this, I would be buying it to primarily use it as a smart phone. Personally I'm heading in the opposite direction in the size category. I'm looking for a phone that is smaller then the one I currently have, not bigger. Also, my first thoughts were in regards to the games. Nintendo with it's fairly large install base is having trouble with second party support. What chance does this company have? Very little. I'm also talking about non-smart phone games.

But I have to give them credit for trying.

It’s the spiritual successor to the N-Gage

@Yozora146_ : 0 games on Switch supports Atmos, so you wouldn't get any benefit with Switch supporting it over HDMI.
Very few games supports Atmos. Dolby Vision from Switch would be great. The chip inside Switch supports HDR btw, unless they removed the feature on Switch. Full version of Tegra X1 inside NVIDIA Shield TV supports 4K/60+HDR+Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos 12 channel and DTS:X 12 channel.

Battlefield 1 and Star Wars Battlefront on Xbox One is among the few 12 channel Atmos games that were ever made.
My guess is that Battlefield 5 on Xbox One also supports 12 channel Atmos. PS4 version have 5.1 or 7.1, and no Atmos support.

No PS4 games supports Atmos sound at all btw, because Sony don't care about it.

@BumpkinRich richest launch lineups. Microsoft had a lot to prove with the OG Xbox and cane out guns blazing with PGR, Halo, Panzer Dragoon and JSRF amongst others.
The Vita had an incredible lineup, with WipEout 2048, Uncharted, Lumines 3, Ridge Racer and Super Stardust Portable amongst others.

@Bensei : You are probably right, but Switch versions still supports Gamepad, and Phone versions doesen't.
Android supported games natively for 6-7 years now, and yet devs ignores it. Funny thing is that for years there is 100 different Android Gamepads being sold for phones.
These gamepads also works on PC and more of course.

Touch games with advanced controls sucks hard, because you need to have your fingers all over the screen so it's hard to see what's going on in games.

So, it's a phone. It will have the same fate as any smartphone.

Good luck, Huawei....

Oh man, Nintendo must be preparing to throw in the towel with this announcement.

The balls on these guys to compare their overpriced, one Joycon mobile game playing phone to an actual gaming system.

@MasterJay Even Apple themselves are completely clueless about what gaming on the go should be like!

Getting this just for pokemon go! /s

It's still a phone at the end of the day. People don't want to haul annoying extras like a controller shell along with them. If it can't use the stock screen and fit comfortably in your pocket, people over the age of 13 won't give a S HI NY U NIC ORN

Switch is still considered a primarily gaming platform and isn't competing in the mobile phone space necessarily. Yes, it is a portable gaming device, but it's seemless integration with TVs at home and use of tactile buttons are is it's biggest differentiatior compared to devices like this. Most would agree touch-screen gaming outside of the more rudimentary mobile games is garbage.

Never-mind the fact it's costs 70% less and many games on the Switch are a hell of a lot better than the endless shovelware on the google play and ios stores.

@Ventilator
Yeah I know no games support Atmos (Nintendo doesn't pay for any audio licences) that's I why I said it would be great if it did.
Its weird that the PS4 doesn't though
Even though their AV receives do (mine is a Sony STRDN1080) it's just seems like a missed opportunity to me, God Of War would've been even better.
Btw 12 channel atmos is just 7.1.2.2
(7.1 with 4 overheads) and is usually only found on 2000GBP or 4000USD av recievers.
If you could pick any switch game to have ATMOS what would it be?

This is why I personally hate it when mobile gaming gets hyped to no end to the point where these mobile phone makers act like that their powerful modern day smartphones are somehow better gaming devices than dedicated handheld gaming devices like the PS Vita when in reality they are completely wrong in that aspect!

F

they didn't mention anything interesting in the gaming portion, typical phone stats

@ThatNyteDaez You can easily display your phone screen on modern TV's, just need to cast it or activate screen mirroring. For an even better picture and minimum lag you can connect the phone with a USB to HDMI connector, which is basically just what the Switch dock is. The only thing the Switch has on this is a right sided controller and most importantly games.

The only time Nintendo will need to worry is if Apple finally decides to dip its toe back into gaming. Then it could be a real competitor but this won't take off.

As someone who own a GPD XD (Android based console) I can assure you that while it's tue most of the games on Android are F2P or pay to win trash, there are many good games available and I had tons of fun on there with many games that were ported over to Android that I was previously playing on my Vita. Many Telltale games on there, Lego games as well, and a lot of those indie games available now on Switch were available on Android before, and still are.

Granted, you won't get the AAA games coming from the Switch, but there is still plenty to play. And I personnaly don't care about games being "old games". If I haven't played a game before, it's new to me. And I often prefer good, older games, over many of the recent offerings out there.

The only reason I wouldn't be interested in such a device, is only having a left gamepad, and relying on touchscreen for buttons. This is dumb. I'd LOVE the idea of such a device, provided it gets a proper gamepad. Maybe a slide-out one similar to the old Xperia Play (but better). Get me ONE device that can do everything, and I'll be a happy guy that won't have to lug around two or more devices.

But this "gaming" phone seems like a half-assed solution to that. Unless you have a PROPER controller built-in, I can't consider that a gaming phone.

I don't buy consoles for consoles, I buy consoles for games. I held off on a Switch until Splatoon 2 came out (I bought Breath of the Wild for Wii U), and waited almost 3 years to invest in a ps4 as that was when Uncharted 4 came along and there was a decent library of other titles by that point. Showing off a new console is all well and good, but it needs games. I suspect this will end up playing tarted-up smartphone games and not much else, as has been the case with most other apple and android game machines.

@OberonPrime You are right. Sega released far too much hardware and add-ons in too short time, messing up their own market.
They tried to hard to get ahead of others all the time, when in reality they only needed one proper hardware...Dreamcast.
Comparing Dreamcast to N64 and PS1..That's like night and day.
DC kinda belonged to that generation as it "died" when GameCube/PS2/Xbox 1 launched.

Dreamcast have a soul like GameCube.
I own PS3, PS4, VITA, Xbox One and Xbox 360, but they are all soul-less systems. Too PC-fied.
I have to say that VITA is a great handheld, with terrible hardware designs like no SD support, No TV out, Rear pad on backside that almost ruined controls in many games, 3G which didn't even work with SMS. Let's not forget that big third parties abandoned VITA after only 1 year, and Sony stopped releasing AAA games on it already in 2013. Doesen't exactly motivate other devs.

Anyway. Microsoft is currently on a shopping spree, so they should try buying Sega again and re-live franchises as exclusives for Xbox. Actually Dreamcast is the reason why Xbox 1 exists, as MS helped out on Dreamcast by making it's firmware.

My Dreamcast still works fine. I even completed Propeller Arena on it as late as last year.
Did you notice that all ports from DC is worse on PS2, PC, Gamecube etc.? The colors looks wrong on all ports.
That's why i never play DC ports. I play them on DC instead to get the best versions.

No cell phones is exciting anymore as they reached the limit already "for now". There is barely anything new in new phone models anymore.

Sega is close to Nintendo nowadays, but i doubt they will go Nintendo only economically. Sega could still support PC as usual.
I were Anti-Sega mostly until a friend bought a Dreamcast.
After trying Daytona and Crazy Taxi, i bought Dreamcast the next day.
I were more of a Commodore and Nintendo dude and loved CD32, CDTV and Amiga during 1990's. I also had PC for it's exclusive killer games.

Gaming phone can't be gaming phones when devs still refuses to add gamepad support on games.
As i said, it were more common 5 years ago than today which is weird. With no devs on board to add gamepad to games exclusive to than brand, there is no such thing as gaming phones.

Also. When you play on phones, games can close, crash or whatever if you get a phone call during gaming.

I originally saw an ad for this on Tumblr and thought they were doing something weird with the style of the ad. I thought "Oh, there must be another controller for the right side too!"

Then I started seeing more about it and... No. This is really dumb. How is it that phone companies can't get this right? How hard is it to get a traditional set of controls integrated with a phone?!

This is just one more reason I brush off mobile games 90% of the time. Because 90% of the time they only put in half as much effort as they should! And I think saying that even 10% of mobile gaming is decent is me being very generous.

@Ventilator
"PS1, PS2 and Wii were the kings of showelware. "

Wrong !
I got Tons of Dance Dance Revolution games from PS2 + PS1 & Wii, BEMANI Rhythm games on PS2 + PS1, K-1 on PS2, Bomberman games on PS2, Good SquareEnix games on PS2, Kiddie / Party games on PS1, etc.

@Yozora146_ Yeah but just because your phone's stereo speakers (if your phone has stereo speakers) may very well support Dolby Atmos doesn't mean that it is gonna properly encode it as Dolby Atmos software based stuff, much like other similar things, are really just high quality audio tweak for Dolby Atmos supported devices that won't fully work until you connect said Dolby Atmos capable device to a proper Dolby Atmos sound system!

@Heavyarms55
Wait and see peoples accidentally drop their $ 1,000 Huawei smartphone due to Not firmly attached on the Huawei "Joy Con".

Wait, when did phones start getting 7.2" screens?! Surely that is a tablet.

@GamingDude800 If this phone had the ability to attach a controller on each side like the Switch and access to a big library of proper console games what would the Switch have over it other than Nintendo games? The Switch is basically a tablet without most of the functions of a tablet. If a phone was released that had access to the Steam library then it has to be taken seriously.

It needs two joysticks to be taken seriously.

A gaming device is only good if it has good games. I highly doubt that we'll be seeing Zelda or quality games on this device anytime soon which justify the steep price point

@Anti-Matter People drop their 1000 dollar iPhones and Galaxies all the time. Nothing new there. I have students with 800 dollar phones that look like they play catch with it...

I mean accidents happen, I get it... but ya gotta be careful with these things!

@OberonPrime
$10.000 speakers isn't something i could buy right now either, but it's also about money priority. People who focuses on audio only, usually don't spend 10.000$ on gaming in a 5 year period.
Also speakers doesen't go out of date. Same models is sold year after year. Depending on speakers and quality, you can use the same ones like 10-15 years. The yearly cost is actually low for having high quality sound.

I have heard too good speakers too btw. The sound were too detailed for my taste. Loads of details is fine, but details to the extreme can make certain sound sources, music etc. sound weird.
Atleast if you aren't used to it.

As we know, budget and high-end is two different worlds.
It's worth all the extra money up to a limit you are satisfied with.

@BionicDodo It's more of a 'Phablet', a term I hate. Most modern premium phones have very little to no bezels though so they are able to increase screen size without drastically increasing the size of the device. 7. 2 is big though, mines is 6. 2 and it's a tight fit in my pocket.

Oh please. A 1000 dollar "gaming" phone that plays mobile games and has one joystick and doesn't fit in your pocket? Looks like a steal.

@Anti-Matter Sweet. So you missed out on the shovelware then.

@OorWullie Well there is Steam Link for Android devices but the thing is that the Steam Link Android app unfortunately requires internet to work!

@Ventilator
But those are my favorite PS2, PS1 & Wii games.
They are Not even a shovelwares.
I'm a Huge Fan of Dance Dance Revolution series on PS1 & PS2 + Wii, and i still play DDR on Arcade until today, so those games are definetely Not shovelwares.

@GamingDude800
You mean decode atmos right?
That's why I said nothing beats a true atmos setup something which phones including my galaxy note 9 which has "atmos" could not compete with.
also smartphone games are mostly not good enough to even have 2 channel stereo let alone Atmos lol

The controller look terrible, you will need to use touch screen anyway, this sounds like the most idiotic suicide possible for a company, and it is priced over 1000$, this look worse than the N-Gage and N-Gage was so incredibly awful...

@Yozora146_
I think games on Switch supports Dolby Digital 5.1, but that's a old DVD standard thats almost free to license.
PCM 5.1 is unlikely on Switch as it requires far too much storage for most games even on PS4/Xbox One.

Sony doesen't care about sound anymore after they sold alot of their hi-fi/tv assets.
Microsoft wants Xbox to be a media center, and is why it supports 12 channel sound, HDR and Dolby Vision, and 50-60 video formats natively in firmware. Xbox One S and Xbox One X supports 4K + HDR + Dolby Vision. Standard Xbox One supports only Atmos and DTS:X. Xbox One S and X also supports 4K UHD discs.
No PS4 console even supports any 4K discs.
Sony have become very sloppy this gen.

Doom won awards for it's sound design, so i guess that would be my #1 sound game on Switch.
Upcoming Bayonetta 3 would be wonderful with Atmos as it's heavy on sound like Bayonetta 2.

Yes! HUAWEI LETS GO!

@Yozora146_ :
"also smartphone games are mostly not good enough to even have 2 channel stereo let alone Atmos lol"

Good point..lol. Stereo on phones actually sounds almost like mono, because of the short distance between speakers.
How do you get 3D sound from ~mono? lol

Thanks for the morning eastern standard time laugh straight from America (aka Turtle Island)...

I'm not a big fan of Nintendo anymore because of the subscription, but if I was I would have a boner right now seeing Switch competing against a devastating falure like this thing is going to be.
I'm not a Nintendo fan anymore but I'm still laughing so hard at those poor fools who think such an expensive wreck can stand next to the Nintendo Switch!!!!
I's unbelievable I feel the need to laugh, to cry and I don'tr even know what else all at the same time!
I wonder how bad will feel the very few poor fools who buy somewthing like that will feel after a couple of months!
Lol

There are 2 things that phone needs to do to rival the Switch. 1 - Not be a phone & 2 - not cost a thousand dollars.

Costs $700 more than the Switch and can only play the same games you can already play on your smartphone. Nintendo better be shaking in its boots! Doomed!

@Yozora146_ I completely agree with everything you've stated including the part of your comment whereby you've similarly stated that nothing beats a true Dolby Atmos setup because you can't have a proper Dolby Atmos audio setup on a Dolby Atmos capable device without a proper Dolby Atmos sound system.

@kopaka XD!

@OberonPrime BTW: There is only one console thats complete for media.
Xbox One S/Xbox One X:
4K UHD Disc support, Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, HDR and Dolby Vision.
50-50 media formats. All natively supported in firmware.

PS4 does not support 4K UHD Discs, Atmos, DTS:X or Dolby Vision. Just shows how little Sony care anymore.

@OorWullie Phablets were phones between the size of a normal smart phone and a tablet. A 7.2" phone is just a tablet with a sim card!

@Ventilator The other reason as to why phones with stereo speakers can't properly produce a proper stereo audio experience is that even stereo speakers on phones that have them are just too small to reproduce a proper stereo audio setup!

@BionicDodo And with an earpiece speaker!

In the point of view of hardware, may be. The problem is it's still a Android Phone without any real gaming function that is not in others Android phones. If thwy have they're own game store and real devs start to work on this thinking as a handheld console, may be, just may be, some day some idiot in the world coud think "why I should buy a Switch if I can buy this?"

It's a nice device.

What Huawei does not understand is that the Switch was under powered well before launch. That's not the issue.

The issue is games. Fortnite cannot sell your phone. Emulators will not sell your phone. You can get any android phone to do this. And if you want to hack a Switch that too. Heck, even a Raspberry Pi can do this.

In terms of hardware, yeah, it looks nice, but bring some games over. Until then, you're looking at a phone with controls to attach to it. Nothing special.

@OberonPrime
"Nvidia is still one of it not THE best supporter of a proper console experience based on Android. But the sad reality is proper controls could have been made standard 7 years ago when Android began to support USBHost natively. It's too late now IMO."

I owned 2 Shield TV consoles since year 2015.
NVIDIA still updates it with new features in 2018, and will continue next year too.

Shield TV supports 4K/60, Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, HDR and Dolby Vision soon. Everything like Xbox One X/S, except for that Shield TV doesen't have a disc drive.

Shield TV haven't gone out of date in 3.5 years, because there is still no competitor, and also because it were ahead of its time.

Here you can see gamepad compatibility on Shield TV.
Incomplete list, because not everything have been tested. Also. It's also pointless to add all 1000 different Android gamepads from Ebay as 100% of them is supported.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/934542/shield-tv/list-with-compatible-usb-adapters-and-gamepads-for-shield-tv/1/

@Ventilator
The switch does support 5.1 PCM
as that's what my amp decodes it as (I pass the audio directly)
As to whether the audio is truly uncompressed and hasn't been upscaled and passed off as PCM I don't know, no Google search will ever go that much in depth especially audio wise the surround effects don't seem too great either but Nintendo definitely don't use Dolby digital as they don't pay the license fee.

@GamingDude800
They also literally have no bass

@Anti-Matter I loved Rock Band and Guitar Hero games, and bought all of them.
As for Shovelware. That's games like Barbie doll dresser, Feed a cat, and similar crap games.

@OberonPrime
Have had too many bragging about their amazing soundbars
No soundbar beats 5.1 let alone anything with more channels.

No time, too busy playing tomb raider on my ngage.

@GamingDude800 : Yes. And the speakers inside is so tiny that there is no way you can get bass out of them either.
The size of the micro speakers makes it impossible for them to get any good sound.
I don't know how, but could be possible sometime in the future.

@Yozora146_ I don't think there is any license fee on PCM, but you won't get proper PCM on Switch as it's compressed far too much.
Too bad Nintendo is too cheap for even supporting standard DTS 5.1 and DD 5.1. Sound standards which is 20 years old on home media.

wow who ever came up with this and the person that greenlighted it should be taken outside and shot at dawn. Okay you can play the same shovelware mobile ports that switch has on a bigger screen but mmmmmmm the big games nope. will anyone make games for it nope. plus it looks terrible

@Ventilator To me, the only way for phones and other portable with stereo speakers to reproduce proper stereo audio would be if small enough base ports were to be made for both phones and other portable devices with built-in stereo speakers.

The good thing about the switch: if I drain the battery, I can still use my phone. Also I doubt we'll see Zelda on a phone any time soon.
Also also, I doubt the phone can be hooked to a TV.
It was only a matter of time before someone tries to copy the Switch and this is the reason why Nintendo kept it secret until its release.

With the Google Play store being a wild west minefield of cheap cash grabs, self-running collectathon economies and blatant copy & paste jobs I don’t see myself rushing myself out to get one.

The lack of buttons and that Huaweinis basically the PLA’s civilian communications arm also means I’ll never buy this.

@Ventilator
That's what I thought it's still compressed audio contained in a PCM codec the dark souls remaster actually confirms this.
Yeah I don't know why Nintendo don't give us the option to buy the licence ourselves like the xbox one X does with atmos headphone or download hires audio on certain games for free if we have the storage space
I'd happily pay for at least Dolby 5.1 at least then I'd get better LFE in splatoon 2

@GamingDude800
Or shove an SVS sub in it somehow LOL

@Dr_Corndog ""Yeah, but does it play Breath of the Wild?"

It's Huawei. It likely does.

it is fascinating how such a big companies, with so much resources do not understand simple thing. They do not compete with the hardware!!! They are competing with the whole eco system, with the actual software. Games what makes Switch amazing. Ok, it is have some unique features and etc, but if there would be no Mario Odyssey, no Zelda Breath of the Wild, no others then Switch would be just a gimmick, like this super uber phone.

@OorWullie I just ditched Samsung like a month ago and got a Xiaomi. This thing is friggin incredible. And half the price of this years IPhone or Galaxy.

@OberonPrime

Yeah, I know. But still, while not perfect, some manufacturers of Android-based consoles include an utility allowing people to map on-screen touches to physical controls. I successfully played many games on Android with this that weren't even designed for gamepads from the start. And I'm pretty sure the manufacturer could have "profiles" already made (and updated) for games that lend themselves to such controls. Granted, this would rely on dedication from the manufacturer, but it's not technologically impossible to do.

Also, if a proper "gaming phone" would exist, nothing would prevent anyone from not using the gamepad and still rely on the touch screen when it works better (or when gamepad isn't supported). Touch screen still makes a lot of sense in some type of games, like some puzzle games and point-and-click adventures.

I've been a strong believer in the idea of a "do-it-all" device for gamers. I find it profoundly stupid that there's no company out there (aside some cheap chinese manufacturers) that tried making such a phone (and not do an half-assed job at it). And I laugh whenever a company launches a "gaming phone" (Acer, Razer) that lacks a physical gamepad. I mean, what makes it a gaming phone? That ridiculous "gamer aesthetic"?

I really wish Nvidia would make one, even if slightly underpowered compared to the Switch (needs to be passively cooled). I'd be lining up to buy one.

Hauwei, does your new gaming phone have any exclusives for me to stick around?
if the answer is no. then im not buying

@GamingDude800

The future sound of cell phone get's worse if you wanna connect them to a better sound system, because less phones will have Jack, so you must use Bluetooth instead.
Wireless sound is bad. Works for voice, and stops there.

@Indielink The newer Samsung Galaxy Note phones from the Note 8 and upwards are good because of the S Pen and touchwiz on them not being as laggy as it once was to me.

It's gonna be a no dawg. Just release a controller. No one games enough on a phone and if they do they're sad

@Yozora146_

Dolby Digital 5.1 costs almost nothing to license, and wouldn't affect the price of games...and yet, they still refuse to use it.

I don't know i i mentioned this, but Xbox is the only complete console for sound and video.
Xbox One S/X.. 4K UHD Disc support, Full Atmos, DTS:X, HDR and Dolby Vision. No PS4 supports 4K Discs, Atmos, DTS: and Dolby Vision, because Sony is as cheap as Nintendo.

The point of PCM is to have uncompressed 2.0/5.1/7.1 sound, and i guess Nintendo didn't get that memo.

Ever played Battlefield 3 on Xbox 360? The LFE is insane there. It's like a big budget Hollywood movie.

@Ventilator I completely agree with everything you've stated there as less and less phones coming with AUX ports is definitely stupid as that completely prevents you from using superior sounding analog audio equipment right out of the box without an adapter.

@GamingDude800 Exactly. In my car i still use jack instead of wireless for music. I have Galaxy S8+ and it has a jack. S9 also have that, but other brands started to abandon it. They claim people don't use Jack, but it's jsjdljdnowjebksnd. It's to cut costs, and earn more money on each phone.

Also. Bluetooth isn't working perfect all the time, and in the future there is not much alternatives.

Don't get fooled by the screen diagonal. This screen is not a 16:9 ratio.
It is probably in fact smaller than the Switch screen size

@fR0z3nS0u1 Are you saying this as a IOS fan or are you just saying this because it's not actually a cons

@Indielink Nice one, I may go with Xaomi for my next phone. I too was with Samsung, I had the S2 and then S4, both served me well for a while but after a couple of years you start to get issues with them.I bought the One Plus 3 when it came out 2 and half years ago and I'm so glad I did. Still going strong like the day I bought it. Great phone!

So it costs $1000 for a powerful Android gaming tablet that doesn't even have a right analog stick/the ABXY buttons or any compelling software that takes advantage of that power.

Hahahahahahaha

@jeoncs How does that even make sense ? The only difference between a phone and a console is the phone is more portable

Impractical, overpriced, and an underwhelming software library?

Take my money!

No, not really.

@Deeran113 What good is portability and capability without content? There are a handful of real games vs libraries.

@Deeran113 I'm saying that because I've been using Android for years and this is quite literaly the contents of Play Market out there.

@Ventilator
Yup hot my xbox one X to partner with my switch it even support audio pass through for blu ray movies which is completely unbeatable (wish games did that though)
Didn't play BF3 but I know 4 had lots of LFE too and that was when I was using an old HTIB.
I'm a student now so my current setup took a lot of saving who knew it would cost £500 for cable.
Bluetooth audio is improving especially as Sony has allowed free use of the LDAC codec 990kbps
FLAC is usually around 1000kbps so it's getting there. Just 411kbps short of CD

Let me know when it has BoTW.

but does it have smash?

Potentially a cool idea, but I'd much rather get an 8bitdo controller with a clip than that awful side-mounted thing. And then if that's the case I'll stick to my S8 for now, which runs my personal selection of games and emulators perfectly well already.

😂😂😂😂😂😂👌 Good luck with that 💩

From a capitalist position though, someone has to try to outperform (saleswise not necessary tech specs) the Switch so it forces Nintendo to feel less cozy. Sometimes being cozy slows progress (looking at you Apple and all you Trump supporters).

No physical buttons = no clue

Good joke.

@Yozora146_
Battlefield 4 used same sound engine, so it had same killer sound of course.
Cables is expensive for HI-FI, but for HDMI it's pointless to buy expensive ones. It's known that a 3$ cable have same picture quality as a 100 cable.

Looks like BT have improved alot then. I haven't followed it that much lately, but i know BT 5.0 were done long time ago.

The price is what any high-end mobile phone costs, the focus here is on the battery and the left gamepad, but I think that this needs a right gamepad with physical buttons too. The OLED screen must look gorgeous compared to the low-quality Switch screen.

I scrolled through all these comments and I am very disappointed that no one mentioned that Nintendo is Dooooooommmmmmed!

More expensive, needs to be put on a plan, every game is digital only, can only play mobile games (which majority are trash), and no first party games like Mario and Zelda? This ought to sell like hot cakes!

@OberonPrime Could be.. hehe. There is many of us on the net.

Google seem to do very little for Android TV overall which is sad.
It's almost like they abandoned it.
Did you know that Google forced devs to add keyboard movement in all apps?
Most, or all apps seem to support PC mouse too. the same for loads of touch only games.
I have sideloaded several strategy games for touch, on Shield TV and they worked fine with PC mouse.

I bought 2 Shield TV's within one week for 2 reasons.
Very satisfied with the first. Secondly, i placement were a problem. I would need to swap it between 2 living rooms every week and that could ruin HDMI connector after x amount of times. Solution. Buy another one so none of them have to be moved.
One of my Shield TV still use firmware from october 2015, because of compatibility. Not everything works on newest firmware.

Shield TV 2017 is actually a degrade over 2015. It does not have the third USB port, No SD slot, No IR, and something else were gone too.

As for Apple TV. I remember when the newest one came in 2017, and it even had more outdated connectors than Shield TV.
Just shows how little Apple care.

I always point to NVIDIA too for Android box, because it's still #1 and still have full support from NVIDIA.
Noone can beat Shield TV unless they make their own GPU superior to Tegra.
Did you know that Switch is clocked down around 30% vs Shield TV?..And it can still run a bunch of games at 1080p/60.

I use one separate room to store all my consoles, add-ons, etc.
I have 2 Amiga 1200's, where one is in tower. Amiga 500+ and A500. All of them with CPU upgrade cards and loads more.
I also have 2 x CD32 consoles.
I have a bunch of retro consoles stored too.

CD32, Dreamcast, PS4, PS3 slim, 360 slim, Xbox One, Wii U, GameCube Shield TV and Steam Link is all connected to my amp.
Toshiba HD-DVD player, Pioneer Laserdisc, Samsung Blu-Ray, PBO Pro HD box also connected. It's a cable mess behind the amp.
My amp also have 2 x HDMI out, where one goes to Samsung 3D TV and one to a BenQ 1080p 3D projector. Both is Active 3D with 1080p on each eye.

Anyway. I bought VITA 3G+WIFI early 2013 for only 130 bucks used including a 32.GB card. That were 1/3 of store price.

PC and MAC from 1985-1995 vs Amiga were LOL.
Amiga were superior and is why TV channels also used it due to lack of software, proper gfx card/chip, system fluidity etc.
to be fair, PC got Doom in 1993 which were a big thing Amiga 500 couldn't do, but Amiga 3000 were powerful enough to run Doom.

Amiga gaming were the best in 1980's and up to 1995.

As for gfx artists. Electronic Arts created the best freehand painting program ever, and still is today...Deluxe Paint, the only competition is still only on Amiga with "Brilliance".
EA also made the picture and animation on Amiga which became the standard. There was a time when EA were great.

Amiga still lives on. The newest Amiga's uses PC GFX cards, but have a modern 4K os.
Amiga never died, but the market decreased to niche. There is a bunch of companies that still lives on Amiga only.

Anyway. Amiga 1000 sure were ahead of time vs anything, and it were a low cost machine as a bonus, which A500 also were.
A1000 also had the first motion controller. Years before NES got Poweglove.

Did you know that loads of gfx on SNES, Megadrive games etc. were made in Deluxe Paint on Amiga? It's not like devs had much choice as PC had nothing.

The demo scene on Amiga and Commodore 64 still lives in 2018.
Most legendary C64/Amiga games musicians is also active in 2018 btw. Very few of them quitted. Demo scene were very good and still is. Commodore 64 demoes in recent years is insane.

This is not the best C64 demo, but still gives an insight on how sceners are doing impossible things on C64.
https://youtu.be/rEZGt7aaIG4

If the screen is bigger than 5 inches, it ain't a phone, and that's final. Heck, I use old AF phones just because any screen above 4 inches is uncomfortable to use with one hand. It is simply too big.

I also don't know who would seriously spend 1 grand on a bloody phone... to play games on. It's a phone. You're limited to MOBILE GAMES.

This couldn't even compete with the Switch if it wanted to. Heck, their example where they use Arena of Valor is invalid since you're not playing the same game on Switch as you are on phone. The Switch version is custom made and standalone.

Ah, the foolishness of Huawei. You don't compete with anyone when you're not able to release the same games as they are.

@Ventilator And wireless still having more connection drops than wired is not only the main reason as to why I personally hate wireless with a burning passion but also the main reason why I personally prefer wired you have almost no connection drops completely making it more reliable than wireless.

How much the rog phone are going to cost, again?

What a joke. I'll take my incredibly easy to use, gaming dedicated, Switch any day over something like that.

It's fantastic to have a hybrid gaming system that doesn't have the interruptions of a mobile phone. When I'm on the Switch, I'm exclusively gaming. My Galaxy S8 more than handles everything else... Thanks Nintendo!

@GamingDude800 I hate wireless too.

In my house i have wired Gigabit in 3 floors including cellar floor where my gaming room is.
All consoles is wired to Gigabit switches on Cat 6 cables even if it's a old console with max 100.Mbit. I have used Gigabit LAN since year 2004, and stuck with that. All old gigabit switches and routers have been replaced with more modern of course.

The only thing i use WIFI for is 3DS, VITA, Phone and Tablets.

I see people here and there complaining that they get too much signal drops on WIFI, and some of them says cables is a old obsolete standard.
Sure cables is obsolete when it's superior to WIFI....Cables have way less latency vs wireless too as a bonus.

I have tried 5.Ghz WIFI on short distance from PS4 and Xbox One, and that still sucks. Menu movement alone is slower on WIFI vs cable.
It doesen't matter if you get 300.MB/s on Wireless, when any wired still beats it on speed, reliability and stability.

Yeah... no, sorry I don’t see any competition. If there was a Switch upgrade with everything more powerful, a better dpad, 1080p screen and so on that cost the same price of 1k people would still buy it. Why? Exclusive games and no gambling gachas. The Switch might have less features than a phone with Bluetooth headphones and even integrated voice chat but it overshadows mobile phone games by exclusive and nindies. Also the phone should still have a right button controller for that price. it’s just ridiculous and I don’t care how powerful it is, if you wanna compare a Switch to a phone try and see the basics in what the Switch has instead of more power.

All that and still stuck with Android and crappy phone games?

The switch killer has no zelda, mario or pokemon. It has no fire emblen, no Xenoblade or metroid
No smash bros.
What a joke.

I look forward to watching this burn.

Good luck, but at that price its a totally different market really.

It's worth $1000 ?!?!? That thing is D.O.A.

P.S. If you want to compete against Nintendo, providing a more advanced (and a lot more expensive) portable machine is NOT the solution. Just ask Sega, NeoGeo and a long list of companies that tried that when the Game Boy and DS were around.

To kill the Switch, this company will need to provide GAMES that can eclipse Nintendo's IPs. And sorry to say but a bunch of mobile games ain't gonna cut it.

I can't believe they went to all the trouble of adding a joystick and D-Pad but not the opposite attachment for buttons! surely both or none would be better?

As for the price I think it's reasonable. That's what phones cost these days. In comparison to the Switch of course it looks steep but that's not a phone.

I could buy a Laptop with that kind of money. Seriously, you guys for real?

Ha! Yeah... This will TOTALLY replace my Switch...

The one sided controller is strange, and it's not going to see much support for the peripheral. Meanwhile, no matter how good the processor may be, I don't think it'll compete with the Switch in graphics performance, at least not when you factor in the better docked performance. That said, 7.2 inches isn't even a phablet, that's straight up tablet sized, and 1080 isn't great when flagship Android phones typically have 1440p screens. It may still see moderate success in China, but they're never going to compete with the Switch

@RazumikhinPG Your avatar goes perfect with that comment. Give 'em the ol' 1000 needles!

Nvidia Shield had Half Life 2, Portal and other exclusives, had Google Play and was much cheaper. Still it flopped. No Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, Pokemon Animal Crossing

This machine ain't got no soul, baby

It needs some games, it needs to tell stories, it needs to be a machine for the imagination! No one cares about 105% better hardware. You have to make history if you want to be history!

If I was Nintendo, I wouldn't exactly be trembling in my boots right now. The price tag is outrageous for a gaming device and there are apparently no exclusive games so why would any gamer go for this? It doesn't matter how much "better" the hardware may be. People don't buy gaming devices because of hardware or technology. They buy gaming devices because of the games.

This thing isn't even going to sell to people who just want a phone. Those people will be turned off by the gaming aspect of the device. So I see this thing bombing with all consumers, not just gamers.

Competition is a good thing.

I can't wait to not buy this

I'm not huge fan huawei phone lack of third party game google play store is always casual game and free pop-up annoying advertisement. But All App are useless while playing game. Anyway we love Nintendo Switch is a huge fan and high end tablet now. Don't bother huawei phone might be disappointed lack of heavy graphic games. I'm not Interested social communication featured. Huawei compare OUYA or PS VITA.

Expect the Switch has console games on the go (Whether it be first party or the third party offerings). All you're offering is mobile games that everyone has access to on cheaper phones.

Seems they forgot one of the key things about the Switch.

Imagine if Huawei Mate 20 X Gaming Phone compare OUYA console is there considered a failure.

It has a d-pad. But I’m an iOS user.. So much for that. I’m never going to get a gaming phone unless, I get and iOS gaming phone. That’s never going to happen. That also means I’m never getting an Nintendo gaming phone. But Nintendo has consoles, so I’m good for now.

@GamingDude800 They're still great phones and I like them but this Xiaomi that I'm typing on has the exact same innards as the Galaxy 9 but with literally half the price.

I'd sure hope it better for being over a $1000. Will it only see mobile games that are available on any smartphone these days? Or will it get some exclusives that actually make use of that hardware?

Seems like they don't even know what they want it to be... So they figure they can charge Apple prices for a phone and it's a "gaming phone" with a half baked controller attachment...Okay, so you would expect to have a semi decent gaming library, but no, you just have the same games you have on mobile. Which, I'm not saying there's no good games on mobile, but for it to be a "gaming phone" that directly targets the Switch as a competitor, you might want to have some high quality games.I just don't think bragging about battery life and screen quality really does much without any games, especially at $1000.

Who knows, maybe this do decent in China and more power to 'em if it does. But here in the west where you can buy phone, a legit controller attachment for said phone, a Switch AND a few games for less than a $1000, this thing looks ridiculous.

(Looks up from Switch)

But does it have games?

(Goes back to playing Switch)

I keep my switch in a zippered case. I carry my cell in an otter box in my pocket. I am not dropping1K on a hybrid I will have to risk dropping and destroying or de-otter box when I want to play... then get a call, jump, drop and destroy.

@Inkling If they wanted to, they simply could do better than this...

Huawei game will be losing because of high price and so similar to a Nintendo Switch. I support Nintendo Switch, hand down!!!

Nintendo's competitors didn't fail because of the power issue. That's the mistake every competitor makes. They think to beat Nintendo at the handheld gaming...game by making a more powerful unit, without understanding the appeal that goes with handheld gaming in the first place. Console-like gaming on the go...with actual buttons, actual good well developed games that aren't ridden with microtransactions, and exclusives.

People play games, not hardware, not teraflops or framerates or processors. Huawei is wasting their efforts here.

I like the idea of a gaming phone, but I feel like it would need to come from an actual video game industry leader to be appealing. I would like a console with a phone function, not a phone with a console function because ultimately issues like storage space, frame rate consistency and a games library will be what decides if it's worth owning.

What is it with people spending £1000+ on phones? Not in my lifetime.

Where are the buttons? Buttons are actually more important than analog stick or d-pad for most games. Also, what is their plan for having high quality games dedicated to the platform? That is actually more important than having buttons and a screen at all. Nintendo could probably make something more fun using only cardboard.

...April fool's was like a few months ago.

Taking price out of the equation, considering how android hardware as a whole covers a wide range of specs, I doubt anybody is gonna develop games specifically to take advantage of such a device.

When the android hardware market is so diverse, any influence Huawei gains over the android software market is gonna be minimal at best

It's probably going to heat up like an average cellphone while running a mobile game. The Switch actually has a cooling. While phones often are made to be light and thin, they greatest flaw is lack of temperature regulation.

Also does Huawei realise, on a trip people have several hours of gaming with a New3DS and Switch. As well, as PS Vita.

When you’re a smartphone comparing specs with a gaming console that is almost 2 years old and costs 700$ less.

Go home Huawei, you’re drunk.

I sense Nokia n-gage and ouya

Why so many biased replies. I like and played commodore, ngage, nokia snake, atari, playstation, nintendo and yes, mobile games like supercell and many more. All good and some horrible experience. This new gaming phone can be good experience as well, why not? Play it and then judge.

This phone dealy will never be a competitor to the Switch. The console market is practically impossible to break into. The last successful entry was Microsoft's XBOX back in like 2000. And some zillion $ phone with crappy controls isn't going to cut it. It might be great for phone sized gaming but competing directly with the big 3 just doesn't happen.

This is just a phone with some gimmick attachment, they have had similar accessories for years.

@SmaggTheSmug Nokia... disconnecting people. lol

So it's a Switch version of the Neo Geo but with worse games, no physical face buttons, no local multiplayer, and no way to connect to a TV? I don't see it as a credible threat. After all, there are reasons why the PSP and Vita failed to outsell Nintendo's handhelds despite having much better specs.

I would rather buy an N-gage than this $1000 Paper weight.

Lol

@cadaver138 Well technically, no, it's limited to what can run on Android. Fortnite isn't on the Play store. There are tons of Android emulators out there too. I don't think they really expect people to cross-shop it with a Switch, but here we are on Nintendo Life talking about an Android phone, so I'd say the marketing worked.

at this rate phones are going to go back to the massive things we had in the late 80s and early 90s lol. The whole point of a mobile phone is its not supposed to be to large to fit in your pockets. Add the 1000 pounds price tag and games that will be nowhere near as good as on switch apart from maybe ftp games like fortnight and you got a recipe for instafail.

Put this way Huawei is a Smart Phone and Switch is a portable/Docking gaming console. EOD

Couldn't get any different.

Compairing phone SoC to Tegra X1 is stupid. None has a full pledge featured GPU like Tegra.

Geez! I can finally play Candy Crush in GLORIOUS 60 FPS!

Hahahaha, no. If I'm gonna splurge on a gaming phone, I might as well just give Razer my cash. Guaranteed better screen, with standard Android UI (YMMV, but I find Huawei's EMUI to be bad).

Umm, Bluetooth "button" controllers have been available for phones and tablets for years. This makes no difference.

Unless the software is designed for the device, it's more of the same.