It's fair to say that the Virtual Console was quite a significant part of Nintendo's plans back when the Wii launched; it was certainly significant in the development of the site you're reading now, which some of you may remember as Virtual Console Reviews prior to the triumphant merger with Nintendo Life in 2009. For a company that is so often lambasted for being hopelessly behind the curve, it was a startlingly forward-thinking concept; a service which allowed you to download classic titles from a wide range of vintage systems at a low price, all in one place.
Thanks to the Virtual Console, gamers got to experience the likes of Castlevania: Rondo of Blood, MUSHA Aleste and Earthbound – games that cost extortionate amounts of money in physical form today – at a reasonable cost, thereby exposing them to an entirely new generation of players. While there were annoyances to speak of – the most grievous of which were the 50hz speed issue in Europe and the agonising drip-feed of titles, the latter of which was infuriatingly reset once the service hit the Wii U and 3DS – the Virtual Console must surely rank as one of Nintendo's most notable success stories in the digital era. So why then has the company seemingly turned its back on the idea with the Switch?
Just to be clear, we don't actually know what Nintendo's plans are for retro games on its latest system; the much-hyped online subscription service is yet to launch, and Nintendo has previously mentioned "classic" games being part of this package – and even then, it's hinted that retro games won't be 'for sale' as such, but rather included as free downloads in your subscription. Nintendo's vagueness on this point means that when the paid-for service eventually arrives, it could well be accompanied by a Virtual Console of some description – however, it's looking increasingly likely that if that does happen, it will be almost unrecognisable to what has gone before.
Look at the landscape of the Switch eShop now; not only have we had a flood of Neo Geo games since launch – titles which have traditionally been released as part of the Virtual Console service – but last week saw Sega announce its AGES range, which will include Master System, Mega Drive, Dreamcast, Saturn and coin-op titles from its illustrious history. In addition to this, we've seen retro releases from Zerodiv and Flying Tiger – such as Gunbird and Bad Dudes – which would, during the Wii era, have been prime candidates for release under the Virtual Console banner. What gives?
If companies like Sega are willing to bring classic games to market under their own steam rather than as part of the Virtual Console service, it would suggest that whatever Nintendo has planned will be very, very different from what we've become accustomed to on the Wii, Wii U and 3DS; Sega – and other companies like it – has presumably been briefed by Nintendo regarding its plans and has therefore decided to bring its vintage games to the Switch eShop as stand-alone downloads rather than as part of a system-wide classic games service. While this might seem odd, we perhaps need to remind ourselves that the Virtual Console, despite its name, was effectively just a sub-branding of the eShop on the Wii, Wii U and 3DS anyway; perhaps Nintendo is doing away with this branding and instead adopting a more open approach for retro on the eShop – very much like Sony and Microsoft do with their respective stores.
Should this be the case, then the death of the Virtual Console name shouldn't mean an end of quality retro gaming on Switch; quite the opposite, in fact. It means that companies will be free to release titles (as they have been doing thus far) with the same regularity as standard eShop releases. We can't say for sure, but we suspect that Nintendo has strictly controlled the rate of Virtual Console titles in the past, being careful to ensure that a neat balance was achieved between purebred eShop downloads and recooked retro titles. By ditching the Virtual Console sub-brand, the gates are open for publishers to release as many retro games as they wish – so it could actually be a good thing for players.
The catch is that with the Virtual Console, Nintendo (or, to be more specific, M2) handled the emulation side of things to ensure that quality was maintained. Games would be packaged up with top-notch emulators which were largely standardised across platforms, using the same basic interface and blessed with embellishments like save state support. By working outside of this framework, publishers lose the valuable experience of M2 (although, in Sega's case, it has commissioned the Japanese company to handle its AGES ports) as well as a built-in UI which is instantly familiar with players. The upshot is that companies can do unique things with their games; Hamster includes various screen mode options and high-score settings with its Neo Geo games, and M2 is apparently working on adding unique enhancements to each Sega AGES title, just as it did with the superb 3D Classics range on the 3DS. This means that we could see less retro games being released as the amount of effort required could potentially be more – assuming that is that publishers actually want to go the extra mile and aren't content to simply dump emulator-plus-ROM releases onto the eShop.
So, to say that the Virtual Console service is dead perhaps isn't actually as dramatic as it sounds; it was only a name, a banner under which publishers could flock in order to gain some valuable revenue from their older releases. However, we perhaps shouldn't underestimate the amount of preliminary work Nintendo – along with M2 – undertook in order to ensure that all of the supported consoles were properly emulated; if Nintendo does decide to "kill" the Virtual Console – or at least restrict access to third-parties – then it could result in a flood of poorly-ported titles, or a lack of content altogether.
We'll no doubt have a better idea of what Nintendo has planned later this year, but it could well be a future which doesn't include the words "Virtual Console" at all. Let us know your hopes by posting a comment below.
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The Virtual Console didn't die, it just ... evolved.
I think it's just going to be different more than anything and that could be a good and bad thing. Nintendo has already said they will add online multiplayer to some of their classics which to me says it's not dead, it's just different.
M2 didn't develop most of the emulators, just a few of them. I believe the excellent Wii Genesis emulator and the Wii U's GBA emulator are two of the most notable examples.
NES certainly wasn't their work.
I think VC is dead regardless of this announcement. Nintendo would want both Nindies and the Classic Editions to keep selling.
It's not dead. It will be different, however. With E3 less than 2 months away, let's stop with the conspiracy theories.
I sure hope so. Outside of GameCube games I have zero interest. I'd rather the Indies and 3rd parties get more of the spotlight!
Now if they want to give them to me for free when the paid sub goes online I will play something there but not getting my hopes up.
I love the Classic Mini systems and what SEGA is doing with Ages and the Neo-Geo releases. That said, I liked the idea of a Virtual Console; a separated section of the eShop where all the retro games could be found. It was easy and the enhancements like save states and (on the 3DS and Wii U at least) Miiverse additions were great. I was hoping that Nintendo would do the same thing with the Switch. While the Classics Mini consoles are nice to own, they're limited to the games they ship with. And you can only add others through hacking, which actually voids the warranty should anything happen. I would have preferred a true Virtual Console service on the Switch in addition to the Classics/Minis. The most logical option would have been to have a higher tier price point of the Online Service that people could buy in to each year/month and have access to discounted retro titles in the Virtual Console. All we can do though is see what E3 will bring us, and any new announcement in the Fall regarding the Switch Online Service, provided it hasn't been postponed yet again.
"that it that does happen"
"Let us know your hopes by posting a commet below."
Quality editing.
EDIT: Also, sorry if I sounded rude, I do appreciate that you fixed it.
I've been worried this is the case for a long, long time now, and the more I see the more I worry.
It's such a sad thing that Nintendo very likely doesn't see the true and huge value in having a proper unified Virtual Console on Switch--one that's actually done right this time (i.e. like it was on the original Wii VC but even better yet).
The Sega Ages series exsisted on PS2 before there was a Virtual Console on the Wii, and the 3D classics exsisted on the 3DS together with a Virtual Console.
@NinjaAceTrainer Apply for a job!
On the WiiU, Nintendo's retro titles always dominated the charts, I reckon Nintendo have deliberately kept their retro titles off the eShop to allow the Nindies to thrive. And thriving they are.
Nintendo needs to keep third parties happy, so if keeping them happy which in turn leads to more third party support then the Switch virtual console can stay away. It's not like there aren't alternatives to play these games.
@Iggy-Koopa You know, I should . @Damo Can I please just take care of quality control?
I want more obscure titles that aren't included on the NES or SNES Mini. I wish Nintendo would also offer the games as downloads for Switch. It really doesn't make much sense to me to not offer both options.
Bring on the n64 mini.
@DarthFoxMcCloud "And you can only add others through hacking, which actually voids the warranty should anything happen."
Not anymore if the recent news about companies illegally telling people that doing stuff like that invalidates the warranty is true:
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/04/nintendo_may_be_facing_heat_from_the_ftc_over_its_warranty_policy
Nice move on the part of consumers/gamers, FTC.
The VC was initially created for the Wii well over a decade ago. Media consumption based on "ownership" of a media item is dying (unless it's in the form of a novelty item like NES Classic, which has collectors' value). The VC concept needs to evolve and a streaming service similar to Netflix or Marvel Unlimited really is the only thing that makes sense.
It's as you guys say. 3D Classics didn't kill Virtual Console on the 3DS. It's WAY too soon to say it's dead.
I hope we still get classic Nintendo titles on the Switch in one form or another. I don't much care what it's called.
That and I would love to see some GCN games on there. I miss them, and I don't have a Cube anymore. While I could get one, I'd far prefer those games just be available on my Switch, for at home or on the go.
If it is dead then Bayonetta 3 is dead since they said they would lose motivation to make it.
@NewAdvent Exactly: One of the big things about the VC, especially if you think about it going forward, is that it should provide a central place where all your retro games on Nintendo's consoles are kept (stored digitally online), and you should be able to re-download any VC games you've already purchased previously on future systems as part of the same VC service. The other companies do this as far as I'm aware, like with the whole Xbox Live setup (dunno which games but I believe I could sign into my old Xbox [1] Live account now and get access to at least some of my digital content on Xbox One and PC), and it's just a total rip-off and mistreatment of consumer loyalty imo if Nintendo keeps abusing gamers and making them pay for the same old games over and over and over, certainly with its first part retro games at the very least (can't really blame third parties for trying to sell to see you their games again on new consoles rather than having you buy them once and Nintendo basically owns the rights to re-distribute them to you at no additional cost to the company for all eternity).
@Shiryu what you posted is more along the lines of "virtual cartridges", I dare say.
As for VC, I wouldn't be surprised to see an overhaul or just moving on from underneath the banner. As far as I've seen, 7-8th gen VC was already first-party from the selection of Nintendo platform libraries by and large; as the article recalls, Sega 3D Classics were an example of a separate thing. Yes, we got games like Capcom's and platforms like TG16... but while it may be odd to discuss the demise of VC as a unified concept at the prompt of five games that used to have nothing to do with Nintendo, the news does come in the wake of earlier announced Classic Game Collection (which now aims to include a growing list of games for permanent subscriber access) and the plethora of arcade ports. Perhaps Nintendo is really leaning towards handling their own titles their way while simply encouraging third party retro content under respective labels. Lest new gerations pf kids should mistake Alex Kidd and Mario for having been on the same console way back when... XD
Id love a physical Switch cart or digital compilation with the NES/SNES classic games on it. I dont want yet another system cluttering up my HT setup.
Couldn’t care less about VC. We’ve had our fun with it, but time has moved on. I’ll take quality new IPs and sequels to existing franchises over VC any day.
Considering on how well Vs. Mario Bros. sold on the eShop, Nintendo would be downright idiotic to dump Virtual Console. It has the potential to be a massive cash cow with very limited development costs. We will see it, but not until they launch their online service properly. I wouldn’t take what Sega is doing as an indication of what Nintendo‘s plans are for releasing classic games.
Not really, Sega and capcom have been selling their games in collections, a la carte and VC for years (decades). This is only an indicator of one route Sega is using to sell its games right now. No need to panic.
I hope we at least get VC releases of Nintendo's own classics. Of course, there's always the risk that flooding the eshop with classic Nintendo games will nuke the sales of third parties and indies, which might be why we haven't seen them yet.
@NinjaAceTrainer Yeah the spelling and grammar isn't great, is it that hard to read it before you publish it?
I think VC isn't dead, just changing into different things. Would be pretty annoyed if nothing else happens with the Wii/3DS/WiiU VC games we've already purchased though.
I still think we're looking at some kind of subscription service, but it will likely only cover Nintendo platforms, giving other companies like Sega the freedom to develop and monetize their back catalogue as they see fit.
Well, i have older games to play (GBA, Gamecube, NDS, Wii) & no need to worry about lack of VC.
‘Virtual Console’ is just a trademark - it’s not a technology. So I don't know why people insist on questioning where 'it' is; is 'it' dead etc.
The more relevant question is why Nintendo wouldn't make their classic games available on one of their greatest ever products. This is not a case of hardware driving software, but rather the reverse. The company has made its profit on these games for years, so the major selling point today is how the software can drive Switch.
This is why all the odds are against individually purchased - Reggie himself has commented that the company is aware of the issues surrounding repeated transactions. A new way of releasing their software would drive the Switch because it wouldn't have the stigma of 'Virtual Console'.
That is (to coin an example); they could release a compilation, wrapped-up just like the NES/SNES Mini with the new emulation, save states and fun navigation, and you immediately have an enticing experience.
For now people just need to be patient, because this back-catalogue is Nintendo's trump card and they're simply waiting for the right time to re-introduce it. The demand and anticipation that has been built is, in affect, to their favour; they could drop an announcement for their plans at a moment's notice, and it would instantly steal some shine from any of their competitors news.
Plus right now, there is no pressure to as their Nindies and other eshop titles are selling so well. This is largely because they have had the space and exposure, which would not be so obvious when Nintendo's classic titles are there too.
So I would bet on either a second tier of their online service being with the inclusion of classic titles, or a series of compilations.
The idea of enhanced retro ports is exactly what is needed these days.
Metroid on real Nintendo hardware with slowdown removed? Sign me up.
I can’t wait to replay Phantasy Star.
I believe the old pricing for Virtual Console Games is low enough that it’d destroy the competition of the indies and third party games on eShop. Whose gonna Buy Blossom Tales for $15 when LttP is $8? If a familiar DS or GBA games costs $10, why would I risk $20-30 on something new? (Yes, there are some who still would rather try something new, but I think you get my point)
The VC is alive and well, just in a different form. Tons of Neo Geo games, a few Nintendo and other arcade ports, all of them seemingly well done from a porting and development standpoint. Soon to come, Sega games and some sort of online service we still know nothing about. There are plenty of retro options and retro inspired options on the eshop currently for prices that are in line with what VC charged. Would I like access to every game I ever loved as a child/teen/young adult right now......yes......but sadly half are licensing disasters, another 1/4 wouldnt sell to anyone else but me, so the other 1/4 are working their way to my eshop and I will buy them when they arrive.
@Damo Wait, why is this article displayed in the old, blue design?
@shani That's the Virtual Console colour scheme.
I reckon if there is to be no VC on Switch they'd of said something. The fact we're in the dark suggests they're still working on it. Plus, VC is a cash cow.
Virtual counsel is dead, at least as we know it. As Youtuber BeatEmUps recently explained, indies have flourished on the Switch. Nintendo wants them to continue to do well since it still remains to be seen if we'll get a lot of third party support and Nintendo can't just keep coming out with AAA games month after month (as we're seeing in the first half of this year).
There will be some classic games made available but by and large Nintendo doesn't want their classics to compete with the indies. They'll just continue to put out mini's every holiday season and cash in with that.
@Damo Ah I see! Didn't know the VC had its own colour scheme, I assumed the whole site had switched to red. ^^
I don't know about the virtual console as a whole, but I sure am excited by this new Sega Ages property. Segs has most of the classic games I haven't gotten to play at this point. Bring me some Jet Set Radio, NiGHTs, and Space Channel 5 to my Switch! It is begging for it! I can only imagine the countless gems buried in Sega's library that could make an appearance.
Not going to happen, but I would love retail releases of classic games for the Switch. How about Super Mario World on a Switch cartridge with its own box and everything?
the virtual console is not dead. it never was.
We already have the Virtual Console, they just didn't call it that. We've got Arcade, Sega, and Neo Geo games, all the Mega Man games are coming next month, and Nintendo games are coming with the paid service. The only thing missing is the name.
Well, seeing as the Virtual Console service wasn't entirely dependent upon Sega's retro catalog, I'd say the answer to it would be a definite 'no'.
Other initiatives combined with SEGA Ages (such as all the ACA releases and similar things) could obviously be the death knell for it, but it is a bit of an over-exaggeration to think that the SEGA Ages service alone could be the thing that marks the end of Virtual Console as we know it.
I think the fate of VC is solely dependent on Nintendo's plans for the paid online service so SEGA AGES doesn't mean much if at all.
I've always preferred using ROMs and emulators to play games legality be damned. Nintendo charges nearly 10 bucks for Earthbound and refuses to give us Mother 3 so whatever, within 20 minutes I was playing both on my computer with no issues.
I don't mind paying for VC when it's available but for glorified ROMs they were overpriced and the release schedule was ass. Tons of classic games never saw the light of day.
I don't particularly care if they call it Virtual Console or not, but it would drive me crazy if it's just 1 game a month release with the online service subscription.
Would certainly hope Nintendo's back catalog was available, the Switch is perfect for it i think. especially as it's the hybrid successor to the WiiU and 3DS.
Sega Ages is going to be native ports instead of emulations. There's still a possible chance that emulated Genesis/MD games could be part of whatever the Nintendo Switch's equivalent to the Virtual Console is.
I think what will happen is the Virtual Console branding will be a tab on the eShop but inside it will be content from all the retro rerelease teams like Sega AGES and ACA Neo Geo. I think Nintendo will use "classics" for their own emulation efforts but the question will be will they live with the other VC style games or entirely as the sub.
As long as I get GBA and GC games, I don't care if it is called Virtual Console.
I think Nintendo will be doing VC for their own systems only, since they mention about having a online netplay system for the NES titles all of the arcade and I guess SEGA Ages stuff don't have that.
besides I rather have more SEGA Ages if it means their arcade ports and remakes. bring on Dreamcast and Saturn games!
Who cares what they call it, as long as they show up!
@Shiryu If the mini consoles are supposed to replace the VC, that's disappointing. I haven't even seen one on a shelf yet so that's not much of a replacement for me.
I personally am not too bothered. I got fed up of waiting (and missing out on nes and snes mini) and bought a retro console a few months back (also figured it'd save me £££ in the long run) so I myself am ok without the virtual console.
Sucks if others miss out though.
Did Nintendolife asked this question when the SNES mini and NES mini came out?
I don't think it means that since the vast majority of Switch owners do not own any of those consoles
@Xaessya I'm pretty sure that was a joke. At least Hideki Kamiya got the D-Pad Joy Con he wanted
@Awesome_Man Strangely the SNES Mini was never out of stock for more than a couple of days and the NES classic has been restocked since last Xmas in my country. Hope you get lucky.
I think the VC as we know it, is dead. The existence of the Arcade Archives Nintendo titles solidifies that.
I think whatever Nintendo has planned will be a spiritual successor that doesn't share the same branding, but the same overall idea.
@BlueBlur101
I would think so, but again this is Kamiya we're talking about
I feel this is something that Nintendo should still pursue. Virtual console titles are available on the 3DS, so it should be a matter of time before they are ported to the Switch. While this is good for first party support, they should also consider partnering with studios for old third party titles as well. New deals and partnerships have been created with many of these companies. It can't hurt them to explore the idea of having these companies port old software titles in addition to the new ones they are working on.
There are enough retro games out already, and loads more in the pipeline, to keep me happy.
With such a vibrant indie scene on the eShop, why would Nintendo want to take attention away from it by flogging old games again, that everyone will complain are too expensive and not ported the way they want it anyway? Many of these old games have not aged well either. Let the VC die and focus on Mini consoles and more remasters like the Zelda HD games.
I honestly don’t care what method they use to get classic games onto the Switch eshop, as long as they get there. Without a virtual console service so far, I can say so far so good especially now that Sega will jump on Board!! Big player as far as the classics go- let’s just see how diverse Sega is with its library!! 😉 I’m also actually quite surprised that Sega Ages wasn’t announced for PS4 or the One. 🤔
I have mixed opinions.
Personally I think this gives publishers great opportunity to improve classics - frame rate, glitches etc. But there is also the risk of a shoddy port... I don't think the VC name needs to continue, just give them somewhere that makes sense to live on the eshop
Yeah. I think collections, physical on carts, would be MUCH better than a VC.
@Muddy_4_Ever Let me see if I understand this. Virtual Console should become like Netflix because people don't buy digital games anymore?
I'm okay with no Virtual Console...provided we are given another method of obtaining classic games. Specifically games for the consoles that have yet to get a Classic device released. So I'm expecting a N64 Classic and a GameCube Classic.
Or as some have suggested, the VC is continued in some fashion or in another iteration
Sega and Nintendo have the more enticing libraries from their past consoles. Even if not under the VC banner, so long as their past titles get released. It is nice to see other platforms like Neo Geo with their own gems to experience. I hope there is a wide selection from Sega and Nintendo as there was with the Wii VC service. Maybe another company will port PC Engine releases.
Yeah, I reckon its dead, at least as we know it.
I'll definitely miss it but I imagine that the way they're doing things now probably makes everyone more money. I have no data to base this on, but I can't imagine that (with the obvious exceptions like Mario games) Virtual Console was ever really that popular, whereas the NeoGeo games for example are selling great.
@JaxxDuffer I think you are completely right, putting virtual console up would decimate the amount spent on nindies.
That's fine if it means getting proper ports. Fix the ancient bugs, give the games more features and better translations.
However that could also mean we'll get less games than Wii U or even the 3DS when it comes to classics since it'll take more time and work to release like this.
But as long it comes to the Switch i'm fine with it, otherwise people will start relying on emulation via homebrew.
I believe they’re still hedging their bets waiting for the install base for switch to get even bigger
My guess? They haven't released a VC yet because they are afraid it will cannibalize the sales of new games on the e-Shop.
I don't think anything a third party company does should lead you to believe that
We won't get a VC like we've seen in thr past. Nes SNES mini are to blame with their huge success. Personally I dont really care about VC because of emulation. I just want nintendo to make a n64 mini asap. 😂 They may try a subscription for VC in the future. This is the only way I can see nintendo implementing it on the switch.
Why would it mean that?
@Shiryu
Nm that plug n plays, official and unofficial have existed before there was an virtual shop.
If the VC returns, I hope they well think long and hard about how to introduce it.
The 3rd parties are enjoying some digital presence on Switch that wouldn't have been possible if everyone were cluttering their systems with Mario World, Ocarina of Time, and Megaman X for the umpteenth time.
I think it will be exclusive to the online service. Nintendo will make a lot more money that way. Apple is essentially doing this with Apple Music.
Don't care what it's called, just give us access to GBA, SNES and N64 titles. And work out a way to make GameCube work too. Thanks, Ninty - that'll be all.
To be honest.......I really only want NES, SNES, GBA, and Arcade perfect ports. The N64, Gameboy, DS, 3DS, Wii games would be better suited for some remakes considering how poorly most of that generation has aged. Even the GBA I'm on the fence about....they just don't seem to work as well on the new TV's as much as the NES or SNES games.
Still there are a lot of N64 and Gamecube games I'd love to be able to download if they had a fresh coat of paint and a little love to update their looks.
I really hope the VC does come back, and not just as part of the Online sub, i want to be able to outright buy VC games and not just have them for as long as my subscription is active.
@Shiryu That’s all very well for the people who could actually get a hold of one without forking out to scalpers.
@HappyMaskedGuy Exact same words people where writing 10 years ago when the Wii arrived. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Will retro titles still be around? Yes. Will the Virtual Console branding itself persist? Probably not. As this is all speculation, I'm not gonna bother drawing any conclusions just yet.
@Shiryu With only 52 total titles too, big whoop
@mikegamer ...right, "52". ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@Shiryu
Devolved. SNES Mini lacks key games, such as Donkey Kong Country 2.
I have been saying this since the Switch came out. Virtual Console as you knew it back in the Wii, 3DS, and Wii U era is over and done with. The Wii U had arguably the best Virtual Console support we have ever seen, and hardly anyone bought it. So it only makes sense for Nintendo to conclude that Virtual Console is no longer a big selling point for a console, and looking at the Switch's success without it I would have to agree with that.
We might get some titles included with the paid online service, but that is about it and it definitely won't be Virtual Console as we knew it before.
Basically, if you want to enjoy all of the old Virtual Console games, get a Wii U or a 3DS, this is also why I was telling everyone to get whatever you are interested in from the original Wii store before it closed down. ACA games are the closest thing we will probably have to Virtual Console on the Switch.
@Muddy_4_Ever I dunno...I'm not a fan of game streaming. I've had nothing but headaches with PlayStation Now.
That's not to say a subscription service can't work. The way things go on Xbox, you can download titles from the catalogue. Also, both MS and Sony's premium subscription freebies are a good example- you simply lose the licenses (with option to buy) if you lapse your sub.
@JayJ Mario VS is perpetually in the Switch charts. Folk are buying retro games. So...maybe you are misjudging the market? Maybe.
3rd Party VC consoles are certainly dead, but hey least you can buy those Neo Geo games on other systems too.
With the trend of these retro releases, Nintendo would be fools not to release their classic games on the Switch in some way. Super Mario World alone could fund a new F Zero. XD
SEGA AGES doesn't prove the Virtual Console is dead in any way shape or form.
SEGA's 3D Classics lived side-by-side with the Virtual Console on the 3DS.
The virtual console (and the ACA series) were barebones rom dumps.
These releases and the special collections (SNK, Street fighter, Megaman & X Legacy, Namco Museum) are way better.
RIP VC, but what we have now is better...
@Kisame83
Yeah, Sony botched PS Now pretty bad, the streaming was probably the least of its troubles.
I think a service like PS Now could work, but the ability to actually download the games(not forcing people to stream em) etc.
Does the lack of any Virtual Console mean it is dead?
To me the “Virtual Console” was always a set of software emulators for Nintendo systems, so having Sega games fall outside of that doesn’t have me particularly concerned at all. Not sure if other systems have been there in the past, but if they were they were never the draw cards.
I think it’s coming. They obviously did development in the emulators for the mini consoles and I’d be at a complete loss if we don’t see that work reused down the line.
@1UP_MARIO I'm gonna assume you are gonna get rid of the N64 if they ever do a N64 mini, well I would keep it! (well just my opinion, since the N64 is the first console I played hehehhe).
@GrailUK Those would be the ACA games I was talking about. This is all about the Virtual Console, something that was heavily supported by the mostly ignored Wii U.
@IceEarthGuard not get rid of it but replace it. I did the same with the nes and snes. Saves space. N64 is wide and the gamecube is a mini on its own
Eh, I've got my wii, wii u, and snes mini, not really interested in triple dipping on old games.
I hope they do bring us a decent library of snes games to switch at least. Much as i love the form of the snes mini andthe selection of games on it, i haven't bitten because the ability to play those games on both the tv and portable would trump that for me. I never felt the 3ds screen quite did justice to classic snes games, but the bigger switch screen, and ability to flip to tv when i get chance, would make it much more enticing.
If the plan would be to sell the same games as before in a trickle of weekly selections at terrible overpriced value, then don't bother, I say.
There is enough Indie games with 8bit etc graphics, it is exhausting.
Nintendo need to focus on the now, not the past, save it for later at best.
Edit: It would be nice to be able to bring my previous VC library over to Switch!
At the end of the day Nintendo is all about money and their back catalogue of retro games is a goldmine that will always make the company money. They're not holding these back to let Nindies have a chance, as Nintendo only gets a small portion of that profit.
The reason we're not seeing VC games yet is because they'll either be used as an incentive to get us to sign up to the online network (which has obviously been free to use so far) or they want to change the branding so that we'll have to buy each of the individual titles again on Switch, with no discounts as offered on the Wii U for previously owned Wii VC games.
@Shiryu Snes Classic can't even emulate Earthworm Jim 2 right, most of the sound if completely gone.
@damo
I’ll miss the VC. There also used to be an awesome website called vc-reviews.com
I feel like the Switch was the perfect platform for virtual console and retro gaming as a whole. The simple fact that we can enjoy the Switch on TV or on the go with no fuss, no hassle makes it perfect in my mind for almost any classic game. It not coming to the Switch would make me very very sad.
That said, if individual companies bring their games, including Nintendo games, and we get games from the N64, Gamecube, Gameboy and GBA eras too, then I will be satisfied.
I am in a minority, apparently, in that I don't like the "Mini" systems. I don't want a pile of plug and play systems that I have to swap out, I want to gather all the games onto my Switch and play them whenever, and wherever.
It would be disappointing, as many N64, Gameboy, Gameboy color, GBA, gamecube titles, etc., aren't really available directly from Nintendo. And I was really wanted for these titles to be available on the Switch, to have them easily available on the go.
For now, emulation seems to be the best way to go. $35 can get you a whole lot!
Mini-consoles? No thanks, because they are just a soc(system-on-a-chip), with no way for me to officially individually tailor the library to my own tastes.
Ability to play games, only through a subscription service? Absolutely not! I like the ability to, at least, d/l, and own a license for said titles.
A drip-feed of VC games, like 3DS/WU, and the latter half of Wii? Not interested in the drip feed, but in my opinion, it is better than the above 2 options.
If any options are added to Nintendo's retro emulation catalog, I'll take full Super Gameboy support(16-bit play, dynamic colors, dynamic borders, sound), and support for each respective system's peripherals. For ex. WU Gamepad with stylus would have been a great(not perfect) emulation of the SNes mouse, like with Mario Paint. I also will take more of Nintendo's arcade titles, and licensed out. Like d/ling Super Special Mario Bros.(PC88), just for the sake of experiencing it once.
@Shiryu now evolve once again into handhelds.
Unless there is some kind of unified virtual console I'm not bothered. I have literally hundreds of games on the Wii/Wii U/3DS and I'm not going to buy them all again.
I hope so, so that people stop going on and on about it. Ninyendo aren't stupid what would they gain from not selling someone the same game for the sixth time?
@Shiryu I don’t think you understand my point. Nevermind.
I wish it wasn't so, but I think if we are realistic about it:
I for one don't care. What's the point in having the Virtual Console? Having all the retro games in one place? Well, isn't the Switch already one place? I don't care if they launch them separately, usually they add extra features anyway.
And while retro gaming is one of the advantages of Switch's portability, sometimes it seems like all people care about is VC. Why? You bought a modern system for its modern games. Virtual Console is a perk, not the main feature.
@abe_hikura Or just call it a "Retro" tab. Alongside an "Indie" tab.
I'd still like a virtual console on Switch regardless. Have the SNES mini but would like more choice and some of the less well known games to be released on virtual console.
There's no way that Nintendo is keeping their 1st party back catalog off the Switch.
Classic compilations and the like existed a long time before the Nintendo Wii launched.
@Xaessya Yeah, his games are like a hybrid of being incredibly serious, but incredibly nonsensical at the same time. He's like a younger Hideo Kojima
I can not wait until Wonder Boy 1 and 2 and Flicky come out
It means alot to me it's why I pre ordered the switch in the first place ! I have been looking forward to play games like Zelda II - The Adventures of Link on the go and when I get home keep playing on my TV !
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