This week brought us the latest notable update to the Nintendo Switch system, taking us to version 4.0.0; there was also an update to the Joy-Con controllers that does... something. It was a notable update in that it added a few major changes - the main additions were the ability to capture the last 30 seconds of gameplay to share on Twitter / Facebook, the ability to transfer data and purchases to another Switch, and the functionality to pre-purchase / pre-load specific eShop titles (likely major retail games). The stand-out was that upgrade to the Capture button, meaning that social media is now full of snappy videos.
So, how far has the Switch come through its major updates? Well, first of all, let's acknowledge that Nintendo's been a bit cute with naming conventions. Version 2.0.0 was really the launch day Switch; it rolled out on 3rd March and 'added' standard features. Prior to launch day review units were basically Zelda: Breath of the Wild machines; no online functionality or even the eShop was live. Version 2.0.0 was basically version 1 as far as consumers were concerned, and it was a pleasingly quickfire update that kicked in the moment you setup the system's WiFi connection.
With that in mind, then, we've really only had two major updates since that launch day setup, with each major version having a few 'system stability' additions and, in one case on 9th September, the activation of online play in some South American countries. The major updates were on 19th June and then, of course, this past week.
Version 3.0.0 was lacking any blockbuster additions, arguably, adding features that will now feel quite minor. News 'channels' were added, there was a welcome increase in the maximum volume through headphones, adjustments to friend list functionality, tweaks to controller synchronisation and the option to play with the Pro Controller wired to the system. Away from that Nintendo also targeted an issue with the Switch disrupting the HDMI input on some TV models when in Sleep mode, a problem that was certainly irritating for some and needing a fix. Nevertheless they were small changes, all told.
And then we had the most recent update, but unsurprisingly some were left a little underwhelmed. Outside of the Capture button addition - which we'll get to - the changes were simply helping to bring the system up to scratch. You can now transfer data and content to another Switch, a feature that we have on 3DS and Wii U. Some games can be pre-loaded and pre-purchases ahead of release on the eShop, something else we already had with previous hardware. The News tab had a minor layout adjustment. The Joy-Con controllers had an update (potentially targeting some rare but awkward synchronisation issues that can pop up). Some tweaks were made to how the system deals with wireless networks, too.
Not enough to get the pulses racing, which is why the ability to capture and share video was a nice touch. We know the hardware is more than capable of it, but Nintendo finally buckled and - uncharacteristically - gave up some control. We all know that people will be posting spoiler videos all over social media, so it's down to us to dodge and ignore those that do so - Nintendo saw the upside, ultimately, of more buzz around Switch games on social media.
To be fair, the tool works exactly as advertised. It works quite quickly and quietly, capturing the last 30 seconds as you carry on playing with no disruption; that's why a chunk of RAM is kept aside by modern systems, to handle these tasks. It saves quite rapidly, you can then edit start and end points, and then share it rapidly to Twitter and Facebook. Unlike the ponderous setup of Mario Kart 8 TV on Wii U it's efficient, easy to use and feels like a modern touch. In an era of GIFs taking over the web, these short videos give that social vibe while being better quality.
Of course, it's Nintendo, so there are aspects in the implementation that could be much better. For starters, the fact it's limited to four first-party games - initially - suggests it's rooted in software accessing the tool, not deployed at a system level. For a comparison think about the Share button on PS4. That goes much further in what it does - supporting extended streams, 'Share Play' etc - but the key is that it's there at the system level. It's supported by default, with developers having to then go out of their way to block it (as some did with the Share Play feature). It seems to be the opposite with Switch, so developers will seemingly need to update their titles to opt in. Reports suggest this will all be rolled out gradually, but it's another reminder of Nintendo's occasional control-freak instincts. Rather than a feature immediately available to all, it'll be managed.
So, right now, its restriction to four games gives it a slow start, limiting its impact in terms of social media posts. Moving beyond that, though, the update merely prompted the usual wave of comments highlighting simple features and apps we don't have. There's still no consumer-end cloud saves or data, but in truth that'll likely arrive (if at all) along with the Nintendo Switch Online service in 2018.
Yet some basics are still needed, ideally soon. Apps are near the top of the list. Netflix, YouTube, Amazon Prime, Crunchyroll, Hulu; all of these have been on other Nintendo systems at some point. As more get used to their Switch hardware and perhaps treat it (at times) like a tablet-style portable device, the more apps like these would help. A web browser is another one, and when travelling we often see people using all sorts of media on tablets. If the Switch can embrace media apps, both streaming and those that allow users to (legally) watch downloaded shows and films (various broadcasters allow this), then it'll be a significant string to its bow. The more services it offers, the more people use the device; increased awareness naturally follows.
The obstacles to this? Getting companies on board, for one, though we suspect the bigger examples are pretty eager considering the device's strong sales momentum; rumours that Netflix is around the corner have persisted for a while.The other obstacle must be Nintendo, however. As we've seen with the Capture button's video update the company still can't quite let go of control, an attitude that occasionally serves it well but can also, it must be said, be a hindrance.
We should acknowledge one reason why Nintendo's caution isn't surprising, however. When both the Wii U and 3DS were jail-broken / hacked, exploits were mercilessly exploited via web browsers and streaming apps. Apps like these were the source of multiple breakthroughs, causing Nintendo to close some apps down and continually fight fire with 'stability' updates to try and shut them down. Nintendo must see the value in these sorts of apps and services, but may be attempting to go further than before in terms of shutting off potential exploits before they roll out.
All of this overlooks one key fact, too - the Switch is in a very good spot right now. Sales momentum seems high, there's plenty of buzz, and it's achieving its main goal with confidence; that, of course, is selling games. As a gaming device it has a rapidly growing eShop and an increasingly exciting retail line-up, with Nintendo and third-parties producing some truly exceptional titles. Making it a hot games machine, after all, is the number one priority - on that score Nintendo is doing pretty well.
Still, we hope that system version 5.0.0, when it eventually arrives, will do more to make the Switch a fantastic and more 'complete' device. For now it'll have to remain a compelling gaming machine, and that alone.
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Just please give us a cloud, or even SD card save option for save files. Is that really too much to ask from a system with 32 GB internal and games like NBA 2k18 that require 5 GB internal space for a save file?
Best Nintendo system since the GameCube.
Just need super mario
Poised to be my favorite system since the SNES. It’s the best of Nintendo’s console + portable hardware rolled into a snappy hybrid machine. I truly adore it. I haven’t felt this optimistic about Nintendo’s hardware in ages.
All I really, really, really want it the ability to transfer over my VC games from WiiU to Switch. Some sort of backup system for save files would also be nice. A few different colors for the main menu other than black/white would be cool too. I don’t really care for themes like the 3DS has. Keep it minimal. I don’t need Netflix really - I never use it. I’d actually prefer Spotify, if anything, and the ability to use music from my Spotify playlists in certain games would be really neat.
Can’t wait for Mario. I’m absolutely DYING to play it. Quality 3D platformers are such a rare breed these days and I’ll admit I adore collectathons. I’ll be trying to stay off the internet all week to avoid spoilers. Oh, how I hope Isle Delfino can be visited. I also hope there is a better reward for collecting every moon than say the reward for Korok Seeds. That was just insulting and I quit collecting them after someone spoiled the reward for me (but I’m glad they did so I didn’t waste my time).
Excited to see what 2018 has in store for us after the stellar year 2017 has been for Nintendo fans. Fingers crossed for Animal Crossing Switch, Smash 4 DX (or 5 reveal - I demand Inklings), Metroid Prime 4, Mario Maker 2, F-Zero, New Donkey Kong Country 3 (with Kiddy, Lanky, Tiny, and Chunky Kongs + King K Rool!), and maybe Pokémon Switch in 2018 (and while they’re at it, Pokémon Snap 2 with gyro aiming), and of course the VC. I know some of this is wishful thinking, but one can hope.
tl;dr: The Switch is great.
I’m glad I can use my wireless headset now. Just need VC games now.
@justin233 yeah, I’m going to avoid Mario spoilers as much as possible too. I want to be surprised and awed.
@justin233 "Oh, how I hope Isle Delfino can be visited."
This line made me chuckle. Here's to hoping your wish comes true this Friday!
I'm so busy with the slew of games the Switch keeps receiving that I really haven't had time to think about improving the OS. Though, if I objectively take a look at it, the console needs quite a bit of work to be brought up to modern standards. My biggest beef comes with the lack of Virtual Console and the fact that no controller option has analog triggers, rendering GameCube VC games like Mario Sunshine, Luigi's Mansion and F-Zero GX impossible.
Needs a web browser more than anything. I have Netflix on every device, probably wouldn't use it much on Switch anyway.
Glad it has games.
Maybe I'm just old fashioned but I really like the simple menu layout, beats the **** out of the one on the PS4, and definitely the one on the Wii U, now that one was awful.
Just add those goshdarned Virtual Console games already.
Netflix with download support for on the go would be nice.
I don't need any streaming apps, that's what my PC/tablet/phone/Chromecast is for, though I can understand why other people want them. Web browser, though, I don't get why some people are so vocal on their insistence to have one on Switch. If I'm playing a game and want to look something up, I'd much rather just put down the controller and get my phone out. It's faster and I can keep the game on-screen in the event I need to keep referring to whatever guide I have open.
@justin233 That would be a huge nostalgia trip. Sunshine is awesome.
@KirbyTheVampire Even seeing some locations from Galaxy or 64 would be amazing. I’m excited (but also bracing for disappointment).
Great article, love my Switch!
Just waiting on VC. 2018 here we come! 😄
It'll get there. Nintendo is always very, very slow to make changes. Their fans will always allow them the time they need, though, because in the end their games are worth it. I don't need my Switch to play Netflix, keep track of achievements, or even provide in-game chat options (as much as I know many would like that) as long as games like BotW and Mario are on its platform.
As others have said, though, give me the Virtual Console and a run of good games and I'm happy.
It's Nintendo's finest console in my humble opinion. It's getting so many creative games. Sure, companies like Capcom, Konami, Namco and SquareEnix could bring some of their golden age IP to the Switch and devs like Platinum and From could bring over their contemporary IP but it really does look like it's success is going to be difficult to ignore. Anyhoo, Nintendo said they were starting again from zero, so their next console needs to be like what the SNES was to the NES. They have found the perfect concept for a games console and now it just needs tweaking (cough cough analogue triggers). Early days for a format that I reckon is here to stay.
What games can be pre ordered on EShop? I can't find any?
They're so backwards, they've got to modernize. Get rid of that screen, and make it 10 pounds heavier and 20 times the size.
"Occasional control freak instincts. "
That's a very accurate quote, to be honest. Thanks for the read.
Perhaps it's important to consider that not everyone who had embraced the concept of sharing is caring freely had succeeded as much as most people would like to suggest. I'm not sure I'd want most of the things listed as critique in this piece.
I love how the system sleeps and wakes in an instant. I love how quickly it switches between play setups. I love how quickly I'm I a game and out without breaking a sweat.
I don't need more features. I need that snappiness to remain.
A theme will be so damn good for the switch which i was thinking about lately.
Ok. Had my first switch experience last night and it was great and a lot of fun but then also amazingly I mean amazingly hilarious how bad did Nintendo switch is for certain aspects. I don't have a switch yet but at this party I was at last night at Halloween party we had 9 people, perfectly split between men and women and three people brought switches. It was very good we had a great time we were playing Splatoon and we also played something called jackbox games which is hilarious, but then I should have recorded this because I am not kidding you three guys that own switches we're trying to friend each other and it took them more than 20 minutes to figure out how to do it and it was the most awkward ridiculous BS I've ever seen in my whole entire life.
It looked like a SNL parody of Nintendo...
You have these three guys each saying the new had a friend each other and each trying to figure it out and they finally got friended to each other and they were all cursing Nintendo saying well it's not like this on my PlayStation and I heard a lot of stupid Nintendo and things like that.
I would like to see Nintendo put that kind of BS at the end of their commercials.
I am definitely going to buy switch As I absolutely love the machine but WTF? It's like Nintendo intentionally tries to be stupid and Incredibly idiotic with the online portions on purpose. It's like a literally a fourth grader did all those processes I cannot explain how bad it is...
Ugggg.
@KirbyTheVampire I personally find both the DS and 3DS better than the Gamecube.
@justin233 you won't be disappointed.
@1UP_MARIO I hope you didn't just spoil a certain something.
I rather keep the Switch performing admirably like it does now without clutter than having it slowed down by too many features and 3rd party apps. Switch is for playing games and I love this focus.
Netflix is a must, and VC is clearly something that needs to be implemented in the near future. Personally, I would like to see a much better solution for voice chat.
Cloud saves ! And a better option for voice chat other than that I love my Switch.
Cloud save, actual universal online service (the app thing is a joke), and Bluetooth audio.
The apps are ok, but reality is my phone is always connected. When on the road most probably it will be a better choice for Netflix anyway.
@JHDK
3gb. NBA 2K18 saves require 3gb.
@justin233 lol. No. 5 days left and we can all wait. We did for the past year didn't we
Indeed it needs Netflix.
Nintendo has done everything right with the switch and they keep improving, so yeah thumbs up for them.
to me this Hybrid console is the best they ever made. I can choose the way i play on a big screen, or take it with me as a HDhandheld. Its a dream come true.
I think its been a good first 7 months and to be honest im not surprised all these various features are rolling out over the first year, I don't mind at all to be honest.
My only complaints really are:
Games that don't fit on one cartridge, they really need to increase the size options available to publishers.
That they didnt include a big chunk of flash memory on the system, they could have at least put 128gb on it or even given two options at retail.
The very slow roll out of the e-shop and online services, I still find it quite basic even when compared to the wii u offering. They could have even kept the same store front for switch really.
Other than that I think they've done a great job especially courting potential 3rd parties like EA, 2K games and Bethesda. Now if Ubi, Capcom, Squenix and Activision could step up their offerings we could be on to something really special with this one.
While it's good to see the Switch get more features. I really admire it's minimalist approach to UI and OS design. It gives the Switch an almost retro console feel, and it's refreshing to see a video game product embrace the fact that it's a video game product rather than try to be some bloated, all-purpose entertainment hub filled with garbage nobody really wants or uses.
Hopefully the Switch can evolve with more functionality, while still keeping it's minimalism.
My only wish for the system itself was a browser. Now that i have bought a cheap tablet its not really needed anymore but still it would be welcomed.
Besides this and the joycon problems i had i was very pleased with the switch and its only getting better because the real problem for me were the games. Of course thats no problem anymore. Nintendo is really doing a great job. If they can hold this pace its easily my winner of this generation and maybe of all time.
I don't need Netflix on Switch. It's already on every other device I own.
@JaxonH Yea, I know. Actually my save file is only like 220 MB but for some reason it takes a full 3 GB worth of space. At the time of release all the articles called it 5 GB so it's more dramatic to go with that.
Everything is half-assed, and is typical Nintendo. At this point it's clear that they refuse to offder industry standard features simply because they are expected. They think they're too cool for school I guess
As long as Nintendo remembers that the Switch is a gaming device first and a multimedia capable machine afterwards thats fine by me. The only thing I personally need at the moment is a way to back up saves, preferably non-cloud. Honestly, anything else would be a "nice to have" feature as in almost any scenario I'd use an alternate device.
Cloud saves, some sort of VC with GCN games and Netflix
Nintendo should offer the apps we want through the eshop, rather than forcing them on the OS.
To me it indicates that the entire 'rushed to market' argument is correct. Everything mentioned in your piece should have been in place from day one.
I'm also more an old-fashioned type person and don't care too much about this stuff. OS could use some work, I guess. They should really add stuff like an internet browser, Netflix, Amazon Prime etc. too.
So yeah, in terms of the non-gaming side/tech/apps stuff, it needs some work. However I don't mind if they come a bit late.
@dAvecaster It means the "brought to market before all intended features were available" argument is correct. The way it's selling means the "rushed to market" argument is incorrect.
"Nintendo is slowly modernizing"...
Sure they are Nintendo life. Sure they are...
@dAvecaster I have no doubt they released it before it was quite ready. They could have delayed it until the holidays and launched it with Netflix, YouTube etc along with the online subscription so it would feel more complete but then Nintendo wouldn't be sitting on 6 million + console sold, there wouldn't be any of positive news articles, promising sales figures for games, nor would there be 3rd party's like Bethesda on board, at least right away. Most of all though, there wouldn't be the stellar library of games it's built up in these short few months where it can go into its first holiday season with real momentum behind it and a strong sales pitch . I think all of that vastly outweighs a delay so they could add a few extra apps/features
I'm fine with the slow roll out. Quite frankly, I adore the OS as is. It's so fast and efficient! I want to get into the game as soon as possible and that's what it does. The Switch is so much more pleasant to use than the PS4. The PS4 I had constantly chugged while navigating the game list.
Web browser and Netflix are fun for the Switch, but not necessary in my opinion. I rather see cloud saving, themes for my Nintendo Switch (Slick and smooth, not like the chaotic 3DS themes which just look ugly), normal voice chat and a better eShop, because god, it's bareboned.
On the other hand, just bring out the web browser and Netflix so people can stop whining about it.
@Mando44646 At least they're adding stuff. God, this fanbase can be very impatient.
Netflix and browsers are cool and all but what we REALLY want is Virtual Console baby!
@justin233 yes! New DKC3! You’re speaking my language man!
Netflix, YouTube, Twitch, and a virtual console and the Switch will be darn near perfect.
@King_Johobo The Virtual Console, but I've seen a few writers make the argument, that I accept, that Nintendo has withheld the Virtual Console to allow third parties a chance to be successful. Last week Kotaku published an article about how only two of the ten most downloaded Switch games were made by Nintendo; also included were examples like SteamWorld Dig 2 and The Flame in the Flood, which did better on Switch than all other consoles. I believe Oceanhorn did better on Switch than all other consoles combined. A number of developers have had great success on the eShop, and I can easily see the Virtual Console cutting into that, which is exactly the opposite of what Nintendo needs to entice developers to bring games to the system.
I like the Switch just the way it is. Sure, my PS4 has a lot of functions (that Ive never used), but its like 10 times slower than Switch, both in starting up and navigating the OS. The only 2 things Im missing is a fast but simple web browser and ability to exchange data between system memory and memory card.
@dAvecaster
The Switch was not half finished or 'rushed to market' in anyway.
Nintendo have just learned from previous mistakes, and have done it all much smarter this time around.
You and others are underestimating the time and resources, that are needed to make a whole new OS from scratch. A console OS is not easy to make in these modern demanding age.
Nintendo really had to start from the beginning, because the Switch hardware was so different from anything else they made before.
A console OS must be fast and efficient, with very little overhead, so almost all the hardware resources goes to running the games.
But customers still expects all kind of features. They want the Switch to be smooth, responsive, fast and with touch inputs like they know from their phones and tablets. They want all the big media streaming apps and a browser. They also want all the previous thousands features from previous consoles, that was developed over years, from day one.
All this is not possible with a whole new OS, that was developed over a few years. Think about how many years Apple and Google have used to refine iOS and Android!!!
I didn't think, that Nintendo could have pulled that off, after how bad the Wii U OS was. But they really managed to make a modern and sleek OS for the switch. They made all the right choices.
Nintendo have leaned form the mistakes they made with the WII U OS. It was packed full of features form the start, with Wii backward capabilities and so much more. But it was also really slow and sluggish, and had a lot of errors. It took them a while, before they manged to make it somewhat stable and usable.
With the Switch, they took a modern and smarter approach. They released a much smaller core of an OS, and focused on speed, smoothness and stability. It's the Apple and Google way to do it.
If you have a solid and simple foundation, it's much easier to build and improve upon it later, and prevent bugs and errors while doing so.
You can't test everything in-house, but need to get things out there, to see what really works. Release small, simple and fully tested first versions of new features, to prevent to many bugs and errors. And then slowly improve upon it.
Nintendo have done exactly that, and It's the right way to go. In a year or two, we will have what we all want. But the Switch will still be stable, fast and smooth. Hopefully
I'm praying it gets the WWE Network App soon
Excellent article.
I love how Switch is super responsive. Gaming is up and running in seconds, and the easy switching between games and settings / album / news / eShop is sublime. KISS exemplified.
The exploit angle with third party apps seems entirely plausible. Perhaps Nintendo are trying to perfect locking eShop streaming apps down to prevent access to the kernel. It is after all best to get it right first time. I lost count of how many times Amazon video completely crashed the PS3 in the early days.
Hopefully though they'll pull their finger out before my ageing LG smart TV stops supporting streaming apps. YouTube is already on its last legs stability wise and Netflix has been misbehaving a lot lately. Hey Nintendo, if you need a beta tester...
Edit: Having had my wee nephew visit, I'd love to see a "find my joycon" feature in the controller settings, by making it vibrate out of its skin for example.
Honestly, I just can't wait for the virtual console. Hopefully it will go from NES to GameCube.
I am against piracy, but I hope the switch gets hacked soon. It's Nintendo's most obnoxious system, and full of garbage shovelware at at 20-1 ratio!
@NintendoRob1977 Lol, you are pathetic, i pity you
@yeayeanaynay
Yes. To compare it with my samsung smartphone, wich have much faster memory (Universal flash), Android its like 100 times slower and most apps have some or many technical problems. I hope Nintendo keeps Swhitch bar-boned, fast and stable.
For those, that hate on the switch, keep hating because the switch will get better and better. Like some people say, patience is a virtue. nintendorob1977, if you hate on the switch, why make comments. 95% percent of us. loved switch and appreciate what Nintendo is trying to do.
A means to run Kodi on the Switch would amazing, though I guess Netflix would suffice in a pinch.
People don't buy a 300$ hybrid console for Netflix, Spotify, youtube and browsing but in 2017 they should be on Switch from day one. After 6 months Nintendo is still silent and thats just sad. Yes the console is a success for now but still needs to build its install base. And its supposed to be a next gen machine so VC shouldn't be only NES/SNES/N64 era.
edit: apparently the purchases are actually linked to the account (not NNID, the new nintendo account), but this still leaves the problem of recovery of content, since Nintendo has a "activation" system that allows only one Switch to be able to play games purchased online, and you can't activate a account in another Switch without deactivating the previous one.
@dres
"Nintendo have just learned from previous mistakes, and have done it all much smarter this time around."
No, they didn't. Nintendo played the ignorance card again and screwed up (again) something major on the Switch: not having purchases linked to an online account. You can say all you want that a videogame can break and you will lose saves and games, but that's not really true nowadays, is it? If my PS3 breaks, I still have ALL the games I bought on PSN. If you have a system that you can take out of your house (and, therefore, is prone to breaking, be stolen, all sorts of hazards and risks) then this is not some little detail, is a MAJOR flaw (specially when you live in a country like mine, without official Nintendo support.. even if I get another Switch, how am I going to retrieve my games? And even if I could, I shouldn't be submitted to the ordeal that is getting your stuff back, you should just log in with your user and get your stuff back yourself). Having your purchases linked with the system is a incredibly dumb decision. I understand all the Nintendo worshiping here, but what you and other people commenting don't get is that we shouldn't just accept everything Nintendo throw at us, we can and should question their decisions. Saying that Nintendo learned from their past mistakes is incredibly far fetched, the Switch is indeed a better console but is plagued with all the mistakes (in this case, this one, major mistake) Nintendo insists on making. Don't get me wrong, I love the Switch, I bought it the second week it was released and now, knowing that you can preorder online, I'm sure I'll have Mario Galaxy waiting for me, ready to be played on Saturday (I have a test Saturday morning, so I'll only be able to play after that =p), but I don't want to sugar coat Nintendo's mistakes, and they still exist on the Switch. Purchases linked to the console and no cloud saves are the biggest ones (the lack of apps is understandable, but those other flaws don't even have a fix).
Is not having Netflix, Amazon, Youtube, etc, such a big deal? I have or can have all of those apps on my phone, tablet, TV, and computer. You guys really don't already have one of those available to you at home or on the go?
I get there's an argument of convenience for convenience's sake, but that will also have its own downsides. I love the Switch because it's fast and focused on what a game console should be: games. I don't really want another bloated tablet.
I don’t need or want a web browser. I find no use for it on a gaming machine and it’s the main culprit of hacks and jailbreaks which I really despise.
Netflix and other streaming apps on the other hand... I don’t like to watch Netflix on my phone and my only streaming machine is an old second generation Apple TV that crashes most of the time, so I’m eager to replace with my Switch.
Cloud saves and saves transfers to the SD card are also sorely needed.
And VC... obviously.
I don't care about video capturing, though I understand that this is a feature that has appeal to many people. Personally, I would kill for a share play feature. It's probably the best thing Sony ever added to one of their systems with an OS update.
It just great being able to play games like Chariot or Lovers in a Dangerous Space Time online, and not just locally, esp. since only one party does have to own the game. It really is an incredible feature and adds so much value to dozens and dozens of games I already on, but I only rarely used because of their limitation to local play.
My biggest gripe with FE Warriors, the lack of any online co-op, could also be addressed this way. I doubt it'll happen on the Switch though. I have no idea, but I imagine that this kind of constant capturing and streaming would be a considerable drain on the system, so if anything, it'll probably only be feasible in docked, if at all. Still, even that would be amazing.
Of all the things I'd love to be changed about the system, this is probably the least likely to happen =/
Anyways, I'd really love to see some My Nintendo Rewards support for the Switch - that is just beyond high time - and also to finally see a VC being offered, preferably one with a substantial launch line-up and - pipe-dream incoming - one that allows us to use purchases made on the (N)3DS and esp. the WiiU. The NNID can be linked in, so why not?
Other than that, having support for BT headsets, or just something else besides that horrible app-wire--console-wire-adapter-wire-headset setup would be welcome. This would have been considered convoluted 15 years ago, today it's just a joke - simple as that.
Support for (automatic) cloud back-ups for save games is also a must as we are about to enter into 2018. In general, we are talking basic features here, like background images, folders and the likes. None of this is essential to the purpose of gaming, but it's just so basic that one has to be kinda irritated by the lack of the very same.
It's like a restaurant not selling Coke. You might not necessarily want one, and maybe it's like a super fancy place or whatever, but once you notice it's not on the menu, you can't help but feel irritated. What if someone feels like a cold Coke? That stuff happens! It's an easy fix, too. Who doesn't sell Coke? Weird ... just weird Oo
Hit the nail on the head with this article. Nintendo is SLOWLY but surely starting to monetize. I especially agree with the nagging tendency that Nintendo has to try and control everything about their games and systems (see Nintendo's YT policy).
I do hope that they eventually realize that it's impossible to control ever aspect of their games and systems. Their repeated attempts to gain a choke hold over how people can play and share their games makes them feel at best like an extremely overprotective parent and at worst like an antiquated company that has no idea how social media works and how people tend to naturally share and communicate about games
@zumbertinho I might be wrong on this but I'm pretty sure it's just a case of de-activating the old console and signing into a new or 2nd console with your Nintendo Account details and you're good to go, all your games are available to be downloaded again. I'm not sure how to de-activate the other console if it's broken or stolen though. I'm not sure if that needs to be done on the console itself or if it can be done remotely? At worst it would take a quick call to Nintendo and have them de-activate it. Regardless, all your purchases are safe and (relatively) easy to get back. It's not quite perfect but it's a big improvement over their past consoles. Save files though, that's another story. They need to find a way of letting us back them up, Pronto.
@justin233 spoken like a true Nintendo fan. Even though they rarely disappoint me
Continue to focus on becoming the best pure gaming device in the world.
@Donutman I can't decide if you are being snarky or not.
@Oscarzxn I’m sucking hard through my teeth but have to say, yeah, I agree with this...but I did love my GC.
@OorWullie Wow... apparently you're right (to some degree).
From the nintendo support:
"Information:
Once you have created a Nintendo Account, you can use your Nintendo Account to purchase digital games in the Nintendo Switch eShop. Digital games that you purchase are tied to your Nintendo Account, but everyone on your active Nintendo Switch console can play them. More info
If you want to move your digital games to a different system, you can deactivate your current console, then use your Nintendo Account to access the Nintendo eShop on the new console. The new console will automatically become the active console for your Nintendo Account, and all of your digital games can be played on the new system."
If this is true, the only problem that could arise from that is a broken/stolen console that you can't deactivate, but probably a way to deactivate remotely a console would fix that (maybe an option on your Nintendo account page, listing the active consoles you have and giving an option to deactivate them... although it's clear that there is a way to abuse this, unless online connection is mandatory, which is impractical). As I said earlier, I'm from a country that recently lost Nintendo support (Brazil), so I'm not sure a phone call is a good option to me. I couldn't find any information about remote deactivation, I would love to know how this works (if it exists). Still, this information is kinda reassuring, although it doesn't erase TOTALLY my fear of taking my Switch out of my home, or giving it to my nephew for him to play (I only let him play it docked, I'm positive he would drop the Switch, he already dropped the joycons a few times).. I even have the cool Zelda special edition pouch, but I never had the chance of using it.. =(
Anyway, thanks for the info! I'm really embarrassed for not knowing this =((((
@Swoltacular Wow you got two? You wonderful privileged individual. 😮
Best handheld since 3DS.
The Switch is so great. If it keeps up the pace it will rival SNES IMO, gamings golden age.
@Mr_Zurkon I was this way at first until I ran into a Switch demo display, and the first thing I checked for was Mario Odyssy! Glad I did because it looks waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy more beautiful in person! When I say this, I am not fibbing. Literally gorgeous graphics that online videos cannot display. Can't wait!
@cbeezly82 good to know, I’m so excited to play it.
@Danrenfroe2016 My brother in law and I friended each other in literally 10 seconds when he got his Switch. They give you about 5 different methods to do so. So I'm not sure why those guys had such a hard time.
@JHDK While I agree with what you want, that 5GB save file is absurd and unneeded. 2K takes the blame for that.
@JHDK
The Switch is the first cartridge based system I've ever owned where the save files don't save on the cartridge.
Yeah, the non-transferable save files in such a limited space really scares me the most. I hope I never have to delete any of my save files just to make room for more. Totally absurd! You really have to ask "What were they thinking?". But, I have faith. There HAS to be an upcoming update that will fix this.
I turn on my game devices to play games, not fool around on the Internet. That's what my laptop and phone is for.
I understand that having apps and such allows the Switch to fulfill more niches and that's perfectly all well and good. But above all else, the games are what's important.
Photo Channel is all I need. Everything else is a plus for me. A welcome plus, I'd be glad to have videos and music on my Switch, but photos are the only thing I really miss and I really want no matter what.
Photo Channel is all I need. Everything else is a plus for me. A welcome plus, I'd be glad to have videos and music on my Switch, but photos are the only thing I really miss and I really want no matter what.
Photo Channel is all I need. Everything else is a plus for me. A welcome plus, I'd be glad to have videos and music on my Switch, but photos are the only thing I really miss and I really want no matter what.
@zumbertinho
Ok, I am happy that you got enlightened. But please inform yourself before posting wrong stuff about the Switch in the future. Don't just assume.
All this doesn't help anyone and just confuse people. You even received two likes from others, that are just as ill-informed.
Nintendo released the Nintendo Network ID some yeas ago, to address some major problems with their products. Some of those problems you mentioned. Of course they would take fully advantage of this feature with the release of Switch.
Nintendo has actually leaned from previous mistakes. And now they just released a Switch "transfer" feature as well, so you can transfer all your data and saves directly to another Switch by yourself.
The last big feature we need to address all the major problems with previous Nintendo hardware, is a Save game backup functionality. And we will surely get this down the line.
Lol what. Video apps are on every freaking device already. Sure add them on the Switch. But really, not neccessary. At all.
@Morph
How does larger capacity cartridges help, if publishers cheat out anyway, and releases their games on smaller cartridges to save money?!?
The whole NBA2K18 game could easily have fit in one of those nice 32 GB cartridges, but they opted for one of the smaller ones, and forced the customers to download half of their game.
Other publishers have done exactly the same, because the large capacity cartridges are to expensive for them.
So what point is there for Nintendo, to release a even bigger and more expensive 64 GB cartridge right now, if publishers doesn't even want to use the 32 GB one?!?
Surprised no one is talking about Atlus' SMT Switch news being live-streamed in 5hrs time from this comment post.
That Zelda video in the middle of the article made me cry laughing. Also VC please! But please let me not have to buy again all the ones on 3ds/Wii U
@dres About my previous post, I already edited it to reflect the new information. Now, even though the purchases are linked to the account, Nintendo still has problems with how they deal with internet services. You have the problem of how to deactivate a broken or stolen console, the account page (and also the Switch eshop) doesn't have a purchase history.. the eshop has a redownload area but it only shows games currently not installed in your system, and there is no clear way of showing your purchase history, so it's not the same thing, and you also have other problems of the sort, like the horrible way they decided to offer voice communication, problems with connectivity... I understand when you're defensive about this, we're on a site dedicated to Nintendo, after all.. but saying that they're taking full advantage of the Nintendo Account (not Nintendo Network ID) is a stretch (just look at how they insisted on the friend code system), and they didn't learn everything that they could with their past mistakes. If I call them out it's not because I spite Nintendo and purely want to criticize them, it's because we need to point out those problems so that they can work on them and make the Switch even better than it already is.
Odyssey will vindicate the Switch for many, and I'm eagerly awaiting Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (I'd be shocked if that game's not utterly amazing). I don't really have a problem with the slow rollout of features (or arguably new 1st party games) on Switch, since I also have a Wii U and Playstation. I bought the Switch for the eventual Fire Emblem game, and to lesser extent Shin Megami Tensei (which I'm sure will also be amazing)
This console has much better marketing than the WiiU. I swear to god, just look up compilations on YouTube of WiiU ads. You’ll be cringing to death by the end of it.
The lack of media apps is just baffling. I think Nintendo have missed a trick there. At least have the option.
The Data Management (or lack of) is a massive oversight as well. The cynic in me suggests this will come with the paid Online subscription next year.
But the OS being so quick and slick is a huge plus and helps with the Systems key flexibility. I struggle to see how being able to download Netflix or YouTube from the Eshop would slow it down but hey, it's Nintendo. Far more likely explanation is just that they're behind schedule.
They've got the basics right so far-hardware, games, marketing. They just need to keep improving things as they try and reach the mass market.
@justin233 even look at the article. Even though we all love our switch or any games Nintendo releases, we always want more. Nothing Nintendo does is good enough for most people.
I just hope that people keep complaining and buying switches and games at the same time. The only thing I really want (apart from save data) is to keep the stream of single player games (both 1st, 3rd party and indie)
@PanurgeJr that’s a good point. It is great to see indie games selling so well on the Switch and hopefully developers will continue to bring them! (Still secretly wishing for some GameCube VC games )
@Donutman it’s true, we are like rabbid dogs.
@JHDK same request from me : I want to be able to backup my savegame on SD card and also to give them to my children or my friends or try theirs !
The Switch will be hacked. Using a catridge slot ensures that there will be a flash cart at some point. This gimping the O/S so it doesn't get hacked is nonsense. I mean I get wanting it fast and the focus to be on gaming. But I don't understand why official apps for some of the more popular things like Netflix aren't there yet.
@PanurgeJr
All new game services have the opportunity for the games on those services to do well. Overtime as the system gets more games (as you're starting to see) it gets harder and harder for games to stand out. So while I could see the argument for no VC in the first 18 months of the systems life to help early supporters, after that it doesn't seem as effective. At some point it there will be a critical mass on the eshop and just being on there won't guarantee sales. At that point there should also be a large diverse market of gamers for the system so having a program like VC is important to reach to those gamers that don't necessarily like to focus on modern games, but would love a way to play older games on the go.
Wait, so they have already upped the volume when using headphones? For me it’s still too quiet when using certain ones.
@dres ok let me re-word, Nintendo should find more affordable options for the larger cartridges to encourage publishers to use them rather than putting the cost back on the consumer
just never add a web browser and we are good, think about the past, most consoles including the wiiU were exploited and hacked through web browsers, pirating and hackers in games destroy everything
I wish we could stop talking about browsers and streaming services.
I can't agree with all these people crying out for netflix and other such unnecessary apps on a gaming machine. How many people realistically use these features on the other consoles? I've tried the browser on my ps4 and its absolute rubbish. everyone has around 2 or 3 devices already capable of doing those things so why do we need it on another device like the Switch? For me all it needs is themes for home menu's and the eshop. Its very fast as is and I'd personally like it to stay that way without all the unnecessary clutter
@zumbertinho No one should have to fear that they could lose everything just because of company policies, including due to the inability to backup saves to separate media at will, or being in a country that Nintendo doesn't adequately support (but really should, especially since Brazil is a significant economic contributor). You're basically being held hostage psychologically. Seeing so many people giving that issue a free pass makes me think that a case of mass Stockholm syndrome has been developed. (I'm coming from a position of favoring DRM-free PC gaming, though, which is unorthodox around here.)
I wouldn't consider this to be hyperbole, either... It matches the gaming equivalent of Stockholm syndrome's three basic traits:
1. A severely uneven power relationship in which the company dictates what the customer can and cannot do with their purchased devices
2. The threat of losing out on several long favored gaming series should the customer not agree with the policies of the company and decide to not purchase the associated products as a matter of principle
3. A self-preservation instinct on the part of the customer to desire the associated products made by the company so they can continue supporting their favored gaming series which had become part of their identity, especially when it's been part of their life for decades
Issues like that prevents me from wanting an NS, it just seems backwards in that regard compared to past systems. That said, I eventually want to get it for certain titles like Shin Megami Tensei 5... But I would hold off on it for another 2-3 years at least. Maybe by then, the policies will have improved... What you're describing is part of the real problem with the NS ecosystem. The lack of modern features like a fully fleshed out UI, web browser, etc is telling, but those almost feel like a distraction compared to the more serious issues.
@hughesy you still need to go in the options and change it because it is blocked under the parental control
@PanurgeJr That sounds like backwards logic, considering the Wii's early and steady implementation of VC, however anemic it may have been. (VC released on Wii's launch day.) Different people want different things, giving people options for retro games ASAP isn't a negative.
I don't get the push for apps like Netflix etc. It's really not that necessary, and I'm glad that they are keeping their focus to games for now.
VC + games we all expect to come (Smash, Mario Party, Donkey Kong, etc) is where Nintendo should focus, along with a few ways to personalize the switch with themes etc.
I'm glad the Switch is a fantastic hybrid system, instead of an "everything device".
@Balta666 I don’t have parental controls on, as I’ll never be a parent😉 Using cheap n nasty headphones the volume is ok, but using good ones not so much. As an audiophile I can’t use cheap headphones haha. I could get a portable amp, but that’s just more stuff to carry.
@PlywoodStick
Those problems with the NS ecosystem, you had with all previous Nintenod systems. But Nintendo actually did some steps forward this time around with the Switch.
All your digital content is now tied to your Nintendo Account, and not to the console anymore. You can only have one active account, and need to deactivate it on the console, if you want to switch to another Switch. But you can do it yourself.
If your console get stolen or brake, you have to call Nintendo to deactivate that Switch. But you do not need to send anything in anymore.
Is this a perfect solution? Absolutely not. But it is still a nice step in the right direction, compared to previous Nintendo consoles.
Also, it is obvious that you do not own a Switch. The Switch OS is really fast, smooth and a joy to use. Much better than the slow and sluggish OS of the Wii U. Nintendo clearly focused on performance before features here, and that is a good foundation. The features can come later.
We deferentially still need a proper way to backup our save games. But it will come.
When it comes to activation and deactivation, the Nintendo Switch is very similar to what Sony offers for PS4:
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps4/settings/activation.html
Except, Nintendo still have to make a online solution for deactivation, that Sony already has. Although this will probably require some kind of online license controls, that Sony also has:
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps4/settings/license.html
@Hughesy Are they high impedance? If they are, say, 64 Ohms, they're designed to be used with a hi-fi separate that has an active headphone amplifier.
@PlywoodStick Oh, wow, I wouldn't go that far.. I mean, nobody put a gun to my head and forced me to get a Switch, right? xD
I think you should give it a go now, I agree with @dres, it's MUCH better than the Wii U, and it's a very nice system. I'm not regretting being a early adopter, at all! And it has some great games coming, I'm super hyped for Mario this week, and also Metroid Prime, Xenoblade and all. I mean sure, it has some problems (specially for people like me, I'm pretty sure you would be able to solve everything with just a phone call.. when you can spend a lot of money on online content, you should be absolutely transparent about how you can recover this stuff in case of an emergency), but I still think you should try to get it now and ride the hype bandwagon with us o/ I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to hold off 2, 3 years!
What they did here in Brazil wasn't very nice, they had official support and they had a huge 3DS installed base, so withdrawing from here shows some disregard for Brazilian users... still, I couldn't live without my Nintendo fix... maybe it's more like an addiction, and not being held hostage? xD
@zumbertinho
Can't you use this for support? :
https://www.nintendo.com/countryselector/regions/brazil
If your Switch get stolen or brake, you should be able to contact them there for deactivation, I would assume?
Ok, if you select Portuguese as language, you have limited options. But if you chose English or Spanish, you can chose Switch support.
Also:
http://pt-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/ask
Or you could call them on the second number (Spanish) - if you are outside of USA:
Para llamadas desde EE. UU.: 1-855-548-4693
Para llamadas desde el exterior de EE. UU.: 001 (425) 558-7078
@dres Unfortunately, Nintendo doesn't have official repair orders here.
From the site:
Se você está localizado nos Estados Unidos ou Canadá, poderá iniciar o processo de reparação pelo telefone (somente em inglês), ou poderá ligar para o nosso Departamento de Serviço ao Consumidor ligando para 1-800-255-3700. Temos assistência em espanhol das 7:00 às 16:00, todos os dias no horário do Pacífico.
Translation: repair orders only in English, and calling from US or Canada. They also list a number for Brazil, but it's just a 3rd party repair company, so I highly doubt they would deal with things like unauthorizing a broken/stolen system. Also, the Switch is not even mentioned in the support site, just the 3DS and the Wii U (they withdrew from Brazil before the Switch launch, and they even prohibited online stores from selling it here for a time, but apparently this has been lifted since now you can find them again for sale).
@Donutman That’s not really what I was saying. I’m happy with Nintendo and appreciate what they do.
@zumbertinho
Ok, that is unfortunate
If you are so unlucky to get your Switch stolen, or it brakes, you should probably just call all the available support numbers they have listed for the americas.
It's not like you are sending your machine for repair or something. They just need to deactivate your account on the active console, so you can transfer to a new one. I think they can do that quite easily with the Switch.
The Support in the US most have access to that, if there isn't any official support in Brazil anymore?
This number must work somehow:
Para llamadas desde el exterior de EE. UU.: 001 (425) 558-7078
@BustedUpBiker The ones ive tried aren’t, they all work great with phones and other mobile equipment, so it’s down to Nintendo. I do have a few pairs that need a headphone DAC, but the ones I’ve tried with the Switch don’t.
@PlywoodStick It'd be backwards logic if you were looking at it from the consumer's point of view, but look at it from the developer's point of view. Would Oceanhorn have sold as well if The Wind Waker were available? Stardew Valley if Harvest Moon were? Just as more competition is good for consumers, less competition is good for producers, so by limiting how much competition developers would face in the form of the Virtual Console, Nintendo would make the Switch better for them, which is exactly what they need to do.
@hughesy do check the options anyway. What is was saying is that as they wanted to block for kids it was not available right way and you need to check directly on the menus (where kids will not get access... I know because I have the parental control activated to see the time spent on the games in a more accurate fashion)
@Balta666 There’s already an option separate to that which if on restricts maximum volume. But that has always been off for me and volume still isn’t great. It’s the only thing annoying me with the Switch.
Forget the social gimmicks, forget movie streaming. Just let me back up my save data like I can do on my 3DS! That's all I ask! Honest!
Count me as one of the ones eagerly awaiting the web browser and apps. I don't mind waiting, but it's the lack of confirmation that anything is actually coming, eventually, that has me annoyed at Nintendo's usual backwards ass ways...
@hughesy ok, that's strange. I had the same complain prior to the update but now works fine with all I have (maybe wall crap lol)
@UmbreonsPapa lol. I'm not sure either, but it was somewhat embarrassing and funny...
I can't wait to get a switch, butt I do hope that they use some common sense and continue to improve...
My first reaction to holding the switch was of awe, as Splatoon 2 was booted up in it and I could not believe I was looking at this image and then you turn the device to see it from the top and it's like so skinny it's like there is nothing there. Absolutely stunning.
Nintendo needs to get the switch in more people's hands I mean people that are on the fence because it is so impressive to hold it and play it.
Needs a proper account system like Sony has that ISN'T attached to the console.
@justin233 i think isle delfino will be accessible post-game, like in mario 64 you get yoshi (well they took a lot of inspiration from that and sunshine ) what other animated accessory Mario used as an ally to have access to flight and walking on water and reach higher levels ? Well the jetpack gave mario a lot of these actions, cappy is doing the same
@thesilverbrick It doesn't really make them impossible, it just makes them less controllable than the GameCube version. Pressing the digital trigger could essentially just be pressing the analog all the way down. They did this with Most Wanted on Wii U, and it worked fine. It's not ideal, but it can still work.
@TheBoldman67 That would work if there were only two degrees of input on the analog triggers. Problem is, in a game like Mario Sunshine, you could shoot variable flows of water from FLUDD the harder you pressed the trigger, and that's even before clicking it entirely. A puzzle in the hotel casino in Sirena Beach comes to mind, where you needed to ever-so-slightly graze the trigger to spin the pieces of a puzzle with minuscule amounts of water. Such a task would be torture given the Switch's current analog stick situation.
@thesilverbrick
SCENE: Nintendo HQ
Engineering manager: "Ok, let's get to work on this port. Lots and lots of people would really love to see Sunshine on the Switch."
Junior engineer: "But sir, this one dude on the internet with a Tina Fey avatar said there's this one puzzle that won't work perfectly with the Switch controls."
Engineering manager: "WHAT? Why didn't we realize that before?! One puzzle from the entire game won't convey the exact same experience as it did back then?? This whole project is pointless! Scrap it!"
@KnightRider666
Well, it already has. Maybe you should inform yourself better?
When it comes to activation and deactivation, the Nintendo Switch offers exactly the same as Sony does for PS4:
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps4/settings/activation.html
I can't really see the big difference here to how it works on Switch?
Except, Nintendo still have to make a proper website for deactivation, that Sony already has. Right now, you have to call Nintendo for deactivation, if you loose your Switch.
Although, a external deactivation feature would probably require some kind of online license controls, that Sony also uses:
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps4/settings/license.html
Because of Sony's license controls, you can actually sign in with you PS account on a different PS4, and play your games there. But you can only have one "primary system" like on Switch. All this is a nice feature from Sony, but not as important on a hybrid console as the Switch.
Backup of save games is the biggest feature, that the Switch is still missing. But it will also come.
@kokirii I have to admit, I did laugh while reading your post. Well done; I mean it. And perhaps it seems like a relatively small thing to most people, but omitting analog triggers on the Switch is a symptom of the larger overall problem of Nintendo refusing to modernize, cutting corners to save a buck or two while still charging an incredible premium for their products. The GameCube controller (if you ask me) was the best controller Nintendo ever made and was arguably the most comfortable and functional controller of its generation. Interestingly, Nintendo included analog triggers on the original run of Wii Classic Controllers, but then scrapped the feature with the Pro version of the same controller, effectively cutting a corner and losing parity with Sony and Microsoft, who to this day still have analog triggers on their controllers, which arguably make for more intuitive and functional driving and shooting games. Ever since then, Nintendo kept cutting that corner with subsequent controllers, making potential ports of driving games and shooters on their consoles more awkward by default. And now that they're in a position to rerelease GameCube games, they've pigeonholed their console into a place where some flagship titles from a 16-year-old console of theirs will play awkwardly and poorly, all because they've devolved, taking an effective step backwards in shoulder button functionality. It's sad to think their most "modern" console's controller can't accurately emulate button inputs from a game released in 2002. It just represents a corner-cutting lack of foresight on Nintendo's part, and I think that's what really bothers me the most.
For me, cloud saves (or at least SOME way to back up save data) is #1 on the list, before Netflix or anything else. I'm terrified of taking my Switch out of the house (which is arguably the whole point of the system) because I know if anything happens, I'll lose all of my save data in all of my games. That's bananas.
Approaching 200 hours on Zelda and it fills me with dread at the thought of my Switch dying...Hope we can backup our saves soon. :/
I’d enjoy having streaming apps on my Switch, but with so many devices to do that in 2017, I don’t mind having a gaming console for...gaming.
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