New Z-Moves Revealed In Pokémon Ultra Sun And Ultra Moon

Yawn... is this really the best they can do? Hard pass so far.

I am reading every article that comes out for USUM but everything I read just makes me happier and happier that I decided to not give it a go. The only reason I am keeping my 3DS now is so that I can transfer all of the mon to the bank and back into the Switch version, which hopefully is better than this Generation of Pokemon has been.

I don't know who deserves to be fired more. The developers or the marketing department. At least releasing a Switch port alongside it would have given it some appeal.

Worst main series Pokémon ever?

@sillygostly A Switch port would be impossible right now. For starters, they only just started working on the gen 8 games for Switch, which will take another two years minimum. They have to have been working on Ultra Sun and Moon since before they could start developing for Switch, seeing how complete they were in the initial announcement less than a year ago. If a Switch port were to happen, the entire engine, the interface, the features, and the gimmicks would have to be COMPLETELY reworked in order to make it work on Switch, even moreso than previous games. They've been using a dual-screen handheld for a decade now, so making the main-series jump to a home console for the first time ever is gonna take even more work. That's why they always wait until the next generation to start on a new console. You're calling it the worst main series Pokemon game ever just because your Stars fantasy didn't work out? At least have some more common sense.

Omg the most boring trailer ever lol

What about new mega evolutions ?

@Yorumi ...Do....Do you read what you write before you post it?

"Oh wait they wrote a new story-"

You say this, then immediately follow with:

"-sun/moon story should be classified as torture by an international body, why in the world would anyone want to suffer through that again-"

-if it's a new story, then it can't be like going through SuMo all over again... What the heck man?

I was never a fan of Z moves

I'm still waiting for this game's "hook", so to speak. Here's hoping within the next month they show something big like a return to Kanto, or at least some new Alola forms. I know they have been backing off of Mega Evolution this generation, but I would love to see another batch of starters get that treatment, like the Johto or Sinnoh ones. The sad part is, the most exciting thing I've seen so far is the addition of three more rather dull Ultra Beasts, which didn't exactly set the community ablaze.

And yet you are surprised Game Freak is doing this. Third version have always been like this. And I’m not a sap for being excited for this game. There is enough for me to want to go back into this world.
And for those who keep saying this should be on the Switch, shut up already. They already announced a new Pokémon game for the Switch, which I’m sure will either be out in 2018 or early 2019.
Also Game Freak isn’t forcing anyone to buy their games.

My kids and I enjoy this game for what it is, a fun time waster.

@Yorumi I agree. Frankly, this is the first Pokémon game I hesitate to get. I see next to nothing new besides the story, and while I don't agree about Sun/Moon's story being absolute garbage, it certainly wasn't great. Meanwhile, Sun/Moon already felt like incomplete games to me, between the boring Battle tree, the way the Ultra Beasts were handled, the lack of a national Dex... Although Pokémon games have always handled third entries this way, the last ones were B2/W2, and those were handled well, making them worth the buy. Even disregarding those, other games had the Battle Frontier, adding several more hours of truly original content. This... just doesn't feel worth it, given that seemingly doesn't fix issues or expand upon necessary aspects of the previous iterations.

TL;DR: It doesn't feel like there's enough new stuff in these games to justify a whole new set of games.

This is the least excited I’ve ever been about a Pokémon main series release. Also happens to be the first one I’ll ever miss unless they show off something substantial soon.

Why are people disappointed about a third version release? We’ve had 4 of them already.

@LegendOfPokemon Everyone was too caught up fantasizing about the obviously-fake "Pokemon Stars" leak, so because this game isn't Stars, the law of the internet says everything about it must be bad.

@Yorumi

> Practically nothing.
> Making things that require new assets, new coding, planning for gameplay mechanics... Bug-testing, and more...

... Just shakes his head....

This is why don't take you seriously.

@Yorumi Yeah, but do you know what goes into 3D modeling work, texture assets, and animation? I can tell you from personal experience that stuff takes a while to do and perfect for anything.

You only know one aspect. Don't try to act like you know the whole.

And yet we don’t know if these don’t. All I was saying is that if you don’t want to buy these games that’s your right. But don’t call me a sap just because there is enough here for me to want to visit this region again. And I’m kind of getting sick of everyone acting like the Switch deserves all the games. Not everyone can afford a Switch ($452 with tax) and the games. Here a 3DS game is $50 and a Switch game is $90. For me it’s cheaper to just keep using my 3DS.

This game looks good... But won't be getting it cause my wallet is already crying over some games I'll be getting.
I feel like many people say this port is lazy because they overhyped themselves into a Pokémon switch.... That's why they just hate this game. I kinda was disappointed that it wasn't a switch port, but logic kicked in and I was alright with this game (it takes more than a year to make a game, especially with Pokémon, with different sizes and shapes)
I will definitely pick this up down the road

I hate how Pokémon is becoming more and more unnatural. It was great getting to see what the wildlife had to offer in the past Pokémon games, now it just feels like they're mixing in Digimon, Transformer and/or Dragon Ball Z aspects for no reason whatsoever. At least that's what it feels like to me, and I simply don't like it.

I'll still be getting these games and will play it through, but the excitement is just not there anymore. And I used to get really excited for new Pokémon games. Now it's just.. egh, whatever.

@LegendOfPokemon Because now DLC and sequels can take the role third versions serve and those both offer much better bang for your buck. Third versions feel like an outdated concept and the fact that Game Freak is regressing back to them after BW2 blew every third version out of the water speaks to how lazy and cash grabby they're being with this game.

We haven't seen the whole game so it's too soon to say if it's bad or lazy. It's the subtle changes that make remakes better.

Anyway I actually really enjoyed Sun & Moon so hopefully I'll enjoy this one too.

I'm still interested, but not enough to get one of the two Day 1. I'm still messing around with Sun anyway; overall the game has met a lot of my expectations, and I can honestly say that it's the most enjoyable main series game that I've played since Black 2. I prefer Mega Evolution to Z-Moves, and tbh I find the handholding near the beginning to be a bit much, but past that I haven't had any issues.

Z-Moves, Necrozma, etc...

Pokemon nowadays is really weird.

This seems to have the most content of any definitive version TPC has ever released. To the people complaining, what would it take to convince you this is worth it? If you're not interested by principle why bother commenting to these articles? I mean, we're getting the ability to explore multiple new WORLDS in this version and people still say that's not enough? No definitive versions has EVER had that many new areas.

@Yorumi um, we also have several new Pokémon (not just forms, POKÉMON, never done that before), over a dozen new locations, and we likely will get something like a battle frontier, why would they announce that over a month ahead of time??

@Pokefanmum82: I'm personally in the "wait and see" camp for multiple reasons (mainly budget, recently finishing Sun, and backlog). While I understand some of the grievances floating around about this one (particularly for those that preorder), I still think people are being too quick to judge these entries.

Honestly, many of those complaining about it and other 3DS games not coming to the Switch clearly forget about both the large established install base and the fact (as shown with some games skipping the Switch) that porting/re-optimizing a game originally made for other platforms isn't all Poke Beans and rainbows.

Nice avatar change btw.

GameFreak, fix your game. If you're going to "give" (force hot turds down our throats) things that no one wants, couple it with two things people actually want.

Who asked for Mantine surf? Give us a surfing Pikachu. Who asked for two Z-moves in one battle? Give us Friend Safari. Who asked for more photo opportunities? Give us better battle options.

@3dsgeek333 : You're being awfully condescending over a simple remark about the perceived quality of the game. Well, duh, a Switch port is unfeasible at this point. I don't need to be lectured about the complications of porting a game so late into development. And I said nothing of "Stars" (which was a stupid and baseless rumour). You're not their marketing department. You don't have to be so aggressive in defending the game or jump to baseless conclusions about a person in doing so.

I just pointed out the fact that the novelty of having a main series Pokémon game on Switch, even something as uninspired and lacklustre as Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, would be its only saving grace at this point considering the complete lack of any new content that longtime fans would find appealing as Game Freak seems to be completely ignoring the requests and expectations of what the fanbase wants.

I had already theorised elsewhere that Game Freak may be deliberately presenting a lacklustre and disappointing experience here so that the eventual reveal of Pokémon on Switch will arouse a lot more enthusiasm. It feels like TPC are pulling a "New Coke" with Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon so that they can make more of a splash once they're ready to announce Pokémon Switch.

@justin233 This, and other new pokemon and Ultra Beasts. Along with new areas in the Alola Region, and allowing you to go into new dimensions for more story action, and new features such as surfing, the photo club, and much more. This game is just meant to be the definitive version of Sun and Moon, nothing more. And for that this game is truly amazing in terms of the content it offers over the original game

And why do people want a Switch port of this? Yes it could happen but why beg for a port when we are getting a brand new pokemon game made just for the Switch? You all have 3d's, if you want it so bad then buy it for the 3ds. The Switch Pokemon game will come out soon enough, give or take 3 years

I really like the Necrozma designs and new UBs, but unless they announce something game-changing like a return to Kanto I can't see myself getting this. Too close to the release of the previous games. I'd need a really good reason to go back to Alola so soon.

@3dsgeek333
Yeah, really is a problem in the fandom internet, Everyone takes the rumors as true, when they really are RUMORS, but, oh well, all angry for their own merit instead of enjoying something new, and if they did not like, okay, we know that not everyone likes something, but as you see here, when there are a negative opinion; is true, for some we do not like to know negative opinions, but of course this, that if they say with the correct points of why their negative opinion, let's go, all ok; but really, in many cases, like any certain users who does not mention name, XD; really its negative opinion is already in the absurd and with the desire to annoy those that if we are interested in this, in this case, the games of Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon; but, oh well, welcome to the internet.... sigh...

@patbacknitro18
Really is annoying that many people want something instantaneously, and not "" wait "" for it to be done as it should be, without problems, and that can be to the liking of all; that silly rumor that a game for the Switch only caused more problems than not knowing anything ....
oh well, again, internet, a world very strange...

@ShadJV New areas. Tons of new areas. BW2's expansion was the equivalent of adding a 5th island to the main game, and we haven't seen anywhere near that much content added in this game. Yes, we do have Ultra Space but all they've shown of that is a bunch of linear pathways leading to UBs, that's not the same as BW2's new routes and cities and everything.

@Bolt_Strike what new areas are you speaking of in BW2? Because all I can find is it used a different route through the same areas (there was several routes in BW that were only accessible post game and they changed which ones were during the story and which were post game).

It seems Pokemon fanbase is in dire need of a new more mature or down to earth and aesthetic focused game. Porting Coliseum and XD would be a start of breathing some new fresh air.

@MegaVel91
It has always been a thing for developers to reuse assets like animations, models, textures, etc.

Seeing the main character still doing that expressionless smile while Solgeleo and Lunala are doing DBZ battles is evidence that thy haven't changed much.

@ShadJV Are you kidding? Did you not play BW? The start of the game in Aspertia City up through Virbank were new areas not seen in BW, Humilau, Rt. 22, Rt. 23, and that game's Victory Road was new, Lentimas and Reversal Mountain were new, as were various other areas throughout the game (Castelia Sewers, Relic Passage, Clay Tunnel, Plasma Frigate). BW2 didn't just take a different route through Unova, it significantly increased the size of the region, the changes were striking. USUM, on the other hand, is a virtual copy/paste. At best it'll be like Emerald, same core design with a few minor extras sprinkled throughout.

@Banjos_Backpack

: /

Yet piles of sludge, magnets, a literal tree, and more object based designs are just fine?

@Banjos_Backpack Yeah, what MegaVel91 said. I'm not a fan of the likes of Garbodor, Vannilite and Klefki either, but design wise they're really not that much worse, if at all, that Muk or Magnemite. I was mostly aiming at those Mega Evolutions, Z-moves and all that crap, which all feel super artificial and goes entirely against the usual feeling I'd get from playing Pokémon. Before it felt like playing with your pet, even with legendaries, now it's more like playing with your super OP Final Fantasy Eidolon especially with Mega Evolutions, Ultra Beasts, and Z-Moves. And I like Final Fantasy, but it's just not something that belongs in Pokémon, IMO.

@Bolt_Strike I did look back and check, I forgot the first few towns were new, but on the other hand we know there's a new island for this and, based on the other island sizes, that could easily be just as sizable of a new area.

@ShadJV No, we don't know there's a new island. We know there's clouds covering enough space for a new island, but we have no confirmation that we're getting BW2 levels of new areas. More than likely we're not, if they had that many new areas to show, don't you think we'd know more than just a Pikachu trailer, a handful of beaches, and linear paths with UBs at the end?

@Bolt_Strike no, I don't think we would know, they've been slow to give us any new info, with the only sizable news coming like a week ago when they talked about the recon squad and visiting ultra space. There's still a month to release more info as well as the potential for surprises. I have my doubts that, in the first definitive version to actually contain completely new Pokémon (not event Pokémon), there won't be new areas. It takes more work to do all the coding, wire framing, and modeling of new Pokémon than create new areas like they did in BW2 (which involves just repeating the same textures on grid maps and a few lines of code to determine the catch rate. We HAVE confirmed at least one new Island trials, with it strongly possible ryuki will have his own trial too (as the dragon "trial" had no captain, just one battle), and of course there's other things that have been left quite mysterious like the fact that he has clearly been shown in Lt Surge's gym (seriously, it has the EXACT layout, whether this is just some cutscene based thing or the player travels to Kanto is hard to determine, heck an Ultra Wormhole could lead to Kanto from the alternate universe for all we know). The Pokémon Team has only made bigger and better definitive versions every time, so I don't know where your negativity is coming from, but they don't need to (and shouldn't) reveal EVERYTHING new, otherwise there's no point in getting these, there'd be no surprises and it'd just be S&M with the new stuff they already showed us.

Obviously we start on the same island so any new areas would be late game, spoiling the late game isn't ideal. I don't see reason to assume there will be less new features than previous definitive versions though, you're judging a game that hasn't come out in a way that goes against the trend the company has had. They're not stupid, they know if they make a dud here then fans won't trust their definitive versions anymore. If you aren't interested that's fine, but you can't base an argument on a lack of evidence, they've never been idea with their marketing. Heck S&M they pretty much spoiled the entire game by launch, at least they're trying to give surprises this time.

@Bolt_Strike also, "that many new areas" (BW2 amount) was 3 towns and two routes. It's not really that much, if that's all they add in areas then I'd recommend not showing us that ahead of time because people will expect more than that. Plus that was the start of the game, they always show what's at the start of the game, if this is late game then there's reason to keep it secret. I'm sure someone will leak the entire game a couple weeks before launch by usual, if you need to know ahead of time so badly look out for that, I'm glad they're trying to keep surprises for the average fan though.

@KO-Cub I was talking about making the new assets and animations.

@ShadJV There's a reason why Game Freak is typically an open book when it comes to pre-release, the more they reveal the easier it is to sell the game. Even more so with a game like this which is just an update of a game we've already played, explaining what's different is crucial in selling this game so the fact that they've failed to do so implies that they simply don't have much to show, not that they're trying to keep it a secret. They do keep some things secret, usually plot spoilers and post game content. But a BW2 size expansion? They would want to show that off big time, that would be a key selling point for this game.

Also BW2 had 5 routes, 5 cities, and about a dozen other areas. And yes, that is a lot, that's about a 33% increase in areas.

I really want this