Not long after the Nintendo Switch launched your humble scribe wrote a lighthearted article about taking it on a weekend roadtrip. Its hybrid nature means that it's either a quirky Nintendo home console or, alternatively, a powerful mainstream gaming portable. Ultimately it's both, even if that makes its categorisation tricky - some compare the system's capabilities to the PS4 and Xbox One, others to high-end tablets.
That's not exactly a problem for Nintendo, however, as it arguably thrives when carving out its own area in the market. Satoru Iwata often referred to a 'blue ocean', best typified by the glory years of the DS and Wii. It's easy to be blasé about those systems now, but they were downright strange when they were first revealed. The DS wasn't the first clamshell portable Nintendo had ever released, far from it, but a touch screen, microphone and the resultant range of 'Touch Generation' games helped it stand out, especially in an era before smartphones had taken off. Likewise with the Wii, which shunned HD graphics in favour of motion controls with the Wii Remote, an idea that succeeded to such a degree that within a few years Sony had mimicked it with Move and Microsoft tried a controller-free approach with Kinect.
In the past generation, of course, Nintendo has had to work hard to secure its place in the market. The 3DS is a natural evolution on the DS and, after a rocky start, has established itself as a successful platform - not on the scale of its predecessor or even the Wii, but a strong performer nonetheless. With the Wii U Nintendo kept aspects of the Wii concept but tried to change direction with the GamePad. The idea was interesting - when you think back to Nintendo's pre-E3 2012 presentation the company spoke of bringing living rooms back together. Portraying a scene of a family all glued to their tablets, phones and the TV (which is still the reality!) the GamePad and Wii U were supposed to be unifying. The idea was to take that living style of staring at screens and flip it into shared experiences, such as asynchronous multiplayer and added functionality for gaming at home. You could play together with the Wii U, or it was a 'friendly' option for screen obsession, with marketing showing one half of a couple playing New Super Mario Bros. U while the other watched TV.
The theory was sound, it seemed, but the system ultimately failed. There were multiple reasons for that, but among them we'd suggest the system's design and timing worked against it. The Wii U was quite expensive, but the design of the GamePad was child-friendly to the point that it was somewhat cheap to look at, clunky and lacking in style. The limitations of the GamePad also meant consumers with only a passing interest were likely put off by its short range and look, as products like iPads and smart devices were already gaining incredible popularity while being slick devices. The Wii U was, like the company's success stories, in its own bubble in that it offered different qualities to other gaming devices, but its fundamental hook didn't lure in the public.
We don't yet know how well the Switch will fare in comparison, but if it hits Nintendo's targets - and of course that's a big if - it'll be close to overtaking the Wii U lifetime sales by the end of March 2018. At present there's little doubt it'll do this, too, with plenty of analysts and investors queuing up to say the system has a good chance. General vibes and publicity around the console seem positive right now, too - not only is there noticeable interest from the public, but after some launch week chatter on early issues there's now plenty of optimistic coverage around the system.
Quite right, too. It's often been trendy to target Nintendo for snarky commentary in recent years, some of it deserved but plenty of it not, but the Switch has managed to make an early impact to silence that narrative. Having a game like The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild at launch helped - even if the Wii U iteration is sometimes forgotten in the scrum - and now Nintendo is pushing hard with Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Tapping up 'last-gen' content old and new is relatively standard in the early days of hardware, but because the Wii U has been so far off the radar of the wider public it hasn't seemed to matter too much. You can still easily find people that still don't really know what a Wii U is, but are more immediately familiar with the Switch. In terms of brand awareness the new system is already well beyond its predecessor, and as we've argued before the hardware looks and feels like a grown-up, modern piece of technology.
So, the Switch has had a terrific start and there's optimism for its future, but Nintendo has raised eyebrows a few times by openly stating that it's targeting Wii-level sales over the lifespan of the Switch. That 100 million+ base is so far away, yet Nintendo has made that point multiple times. Speaking to investors, Tatsumi Kimishima highlighted how this could be achieved, and mentioned one factor of households with multiple Switch owners.
Plus, considering that Nintendo Switch is a home console video game system that you can take with you on the go so you can play anytime, anywhere, with anyone, we think there will be households that feel as though one is not really enough. This is another point that drives us to match the scale of Wii's popularity with Nintendo Switch.
Now, of course, there are households with a couple of conventional home consoles, perhaps one PS4 / Xbox One / Wii U in a 'family room' and another in a bedroom. But when we think of the most realistic scenarios where there could be multiple systems in one house we think of portables - to take 3DS as an example, we suspect many reading this have bought 2-4 models over the years due to new iterations and limited editions, and then there are families where kids might have a 2DS and parents may have a New 3DS. Nintendo has often done this with portable ranges, catering to different desires and often fulfilling multiple needs within one house - the New Nintendo 2DS XL is coming out to try and fill another gap.
With that business model you can boost sales beyond your actual userbase. The 3DS 'family' has passed 66 million sales, but how many individuals is that? Nintendo doesn't specify, because it doesn't really care beyond a desire to have a sizeable audience to buy games. As long as hardware sells it doesn't entirely matter whether it's someone new on board or a dedicated fan buying their fourth 3DS. Consider this - at the Switch launch (the month of March) 2.76 million copies of Breath of the Wild were sold against 2.74 million system sales. That's a particularly bonkers example so let's be more realistic - check out top selling games on DS, Wii, 3DS and Wii U below.
DS systems sold - 154.02 million
Top selling DS game - 30.8 million (New Super Mario Bros.)
Wii systems sold - 101.63 million
Top selling Wii game (apart from the bundled Wii Sports) - 36.95 million (Mario Kart Wii)
3DS systems sold - 66.12 million
Top selling 3DS game - 16.11 million (Pokémon X & Y)
Wii U systems sold - 13.56 million
Top selling Wii U game - 8.31 million (Mario Kart 8)
Even accepting that MK8 is a bit of an outlier within a small Wii U userbase, consider the other examples.
More than a third of Wii owners bought its most popular game aside from Wii Sports, but you're down to 20-25% with top-sellers on portables. That's a limited analysis we admit, but the point is that there weren't 154 million individuals that bought a DS, nor are there 66 million individual 3DS owners. Some may have bought multiple Wii consoles, of course, but we don't think it's inaccurate to state that buying habits with portable 'families' of systems is notably different. Many of the most eager fans scoop up XLs and 'New' systems, but maybe only replace a home console if one breaks or a particularly tasty special edition rolls along. There are less tempting alternatives, ultimately, with home consoles - short of malfunctions plenty stick to their original hardware.
The Switch, of course, is a hybrid, and Nintendo will undoubtedly leverage its portability in years to come, especially once 3DS eventually retires (unless it is 'replaced' by another dedicated handheld, of course). It's not hard to see a scenario where a more rugged, kid-friendly Switch that sacrifices a couple of features for a lower cost arrives in 2019, and we see young gamers playing these while their parents carefully hide away their pricier core unit. A target like 100 million seems so high and almost fanciful, and there is positively no way to predict whether Switch will hit this year's targets never mind those set for the coming years, but as a portable it has a chance. Iterations, extra units for different family units - it's the portable aspect that can drive so much of that. Even a slight redesign without a dock in the box - like those 3DS models that don't include an AC adapter - could be pitched as an extra household unit, one to ensure parents, kids and family members need not squabble over playtime.
We recently posted a few polls to gauge how our community views and plays the Nintendo Switch. The split in how it's played - primarily as a docked console, primarily as a portable, a relatively equal mix of both - was remarkably close, about a third of the vote for each. Yet a question about how the Switch will evolve as a product in the coming years brought a thumping majority for the system being "a true hybrid of home and portable gaming". That, right there, helps to explain why the Switch has a great chance.
Its core form is that of a tablet, so there's scope for multiple units per household for different family members, like we see with handheld devices. Yet those Joy-Con controllers transform it not only into a handy portable, but make it a multiplayer machine out of the box. Its form factor is familiar and reassuring to those interested in gaming as a hobby, but it offers convenience through its smart design. It looks like a tablet yet has Nintendo games like Legend of Zelda and Mario Kart, and also has controllers to play like a dedicated portable. Then it just drops into a dock and right away you play on the TV, or you can take it with you and prop it up to play on a tabletop. It can't compete in gigaflops etc or 4K gaming, but the prospective audience that populates that 'blue ocean' drawn in by DS, Wii and to an extent 3DS don't often prioritise those qualities with Nintendo hardware.
The flexibility of the hybrid concept, that Nintendo sprinkle of magic, and a form familiar to consumers with tablets and smartphones in their lives. It's easy to see why early interest in the system is so high.
If Nintendo successfully harnesses the positive momentum and ensures the Switch has a strong games library (and eventually a range of apps for TV streaming and social media), its very form could help it defy modern challenges and push for those 'Wii-like' sales.
I have full confidence the Switch will be a major success, due to it's pick up and play functionality. And let's not forget how Nintendo said there are many unannounced games that will boost sales.
As much as I love the portable aspect running full on games like BOTW and Mario kart , I actually enjoy playing it docked more . Idk I prefer playing it as traditional console .
Little thing I didn't like about the Wii U (a system I generally loved). My daughter couldn't take the gamepad to her room to play her favorite games (BotW and MK8, if you're wondering). I searched regularly for some sort of "boost Wii U signal" product, but there really is nothing. The Switch takes care of this. It's a system that far more comfortably folds into the moving spaces of your life.
The thing is state of the art! It carries as much horsepower as you can squeeze in to a box that size, you can play it anywhere and manages to amalgamate all the conventional and unconventional controller options Nintendo have developed, cluttered and confused us with over the years, but managing to squeeze them all (and more!) in to 2 controllers that fit in the palm of your hands! Genius console.
I don't find myself ever buying some sort of Switch Mini that sacrifices features to make the console smaller and cheaper. The Switch is a good sized console that you'll know pretty much immediately should it get stolen. An even larger Switch with longer battery life on the other hand? You can count me in. Maybe Nintendo will do a Switch Pro even more power in the vein of Scorpio/PS4Pro?
However, all of this is just wild speculation that can go either way. Right now, Nintendo should just focus on shipping the OG Switchs.
Nobody will get more than one Switch in a house, it's not a 3ds. More docks maybe, but not more consoles itself.
That was a great article.
@BezBot Really? My household has two. Two people I work with have multiple in their house.
I use it mainly as a portable though BOTW kills the battery, still need to get used to a tiny controller.
Games like Pokemon Stars and Animal Crossing should help boost sales.
@Fashegoy That's a lot, and most people aren't going to do that I think. The Switch is a lot of money right now. I just can't see most families buying multiple. That's why the Wii sold so many, because it was affordable.
@BezBot The Switch is very affordable, especially considering compared to what the Scorpio and PS4 + will cost. But that's not the point, you made an empirical statement "Nobody will get more than one Switch in a house, it's not a 3ds". Just because you feel that won't happen, doesn't make it a reality.
Making the Switch a success is really easy
>bring mainline Pokémon and Animal Crossing to the Switch
>convince all the DS-3DS big franchises / dev to move on the Switch (Monster Hunter, Level 5 games..)
>sell dockless Switch for 199$
Then there is no way it isn't going to print money.
@oatmealwarrior92 the games do look good on the portable but I to prefer playing on a T.V. I think it's the ultimate way to experience games on a bigger, more detailed display. Especially cinematic games like BOTW.
I might pick it up I have it for Wii U and having from the Switch will save my neck from looking up and down at the TV.
@BezBot I already need a 2nd system. My 2 kids are jealous of my switch and they stuck with 3ds'. By the time Mario comes out, I'll have another. As it is now, mine isn't hooked to the family tv, but in my bedroom and isn't allowed to be used by anyone but me.
Besides, it goes with me to work so how are they going to play then?
@gb_nes_gamer exactly . Once I got the pro controller and docked to play BOTW there was no way I could play that game in portable mode . It was just the best experience playing it on the big screen .
I love my Switch. If the game library grows powerful, I'll likely purchase a second just so I can have my own tournaments and gamethons, thus turning my friends to the dark side when they come over. It's so crazy it just might work. It has already begun too. My son got one for his birthday and my best friend bought one.
@BezBot 3 in our house
My house is aiming for two. Me and my kid.
@Muddy_4_Ever pro tip: If you don't use a TV for WiiU, you can just plug in the console in her room and play on gamepad.
Yeah I love the idea of it being portable. But I don't like actually playing it as a portable at all.
Love Zelda as that's my only game but reading things like. NBA playground being 540p in handheld has me curious what deva think about making games for the Switch
I know it's better docked but portable is a big selling feature
I feel like we've seen this article, written slightly different, about 20 times now. Or is this an old article with updated info? Not sure anymore.
@wiggleronacid Comedy, isn't it?
@Donutman It's amazing, I've read so many times in here that it's way too expensive, yet at the same time I read multiple accounts of people saying they need to get a second or even third...Everyone has different circumstances. I think some commenters in here should stop thinking they speak on behalf of everyone.
Good article. I agree on the need for media apps. I also think of they want multiple purchases in a household they need to come up with some way of moving and copying save data and also some kind of family Account system that allows users to share digital games.
Still Switchless over here....
The Switch works incredibly well as both a portable and home console. I'm very pleased with the fact that I can sit down with my son and play Mario Kart in a two player mode, on the same screen, and he doesn't need to create an account, or log in as a guest etc. the Switch is great and it's easy of play reminds me of the way consoles used to be. Turn it on and just play. My favorite system hands down,
@gb_nes_gamer @oatmealwarrior92 @WOLF1313
I love the TV docked, and if I'm at home that's how I play, but for when you're not home, playing in handheld or tabletop mode is a deluxo experience.
I'm on my way home from work, just got done with an oil change, tire rotation and car wash at the dealership. Sat in the lobby chairs and played Zelda for a full hour while I waited. And of course, earlier today I was playing at work in tabletop mode.
That's the stuff I'm talkin bout. Love it on the TV at home, love it in handheld in public, love it in tabletop at work or friend/family's house.
@Nintendoforlife It's amazing how the pickup and play aspect changes the way you game though. Being able to play Tetris for 5 minutes on the couch casually or binge Zelda for a few hours om bed is amazing!
IMHO the Switch is a dream come true.
I have a 3DS, second hand, but having never really invested in much software I typically prefer playing games such as Ride 2, Fallout 4 and Shadow of Mordor on my ageing PC, especially as games are so relatively inexpensive on that platform. Bought a Wii for the kids but skipped the Wii-U, so this is my first experience of owning a Nintendo console that pumps out HD.
So far I only have BotW and MK8D but I'm more than satisfied with these top class games. I'm in love with Switch for sure. The hardware feels "grown up" and premium, and I love showing it off. I take great care of my tech (often being the go to guy for old spare phones that are good as new etc) and I find the ruggedness of the Switch reassuring. Great screen, nice speakers, and the Pro controller is, well, it's the shiz.
The sheer versatility of the system is pleasantly surprising every day. Brilliant on the telly, and for me just as good as a portable for a visit to Hyrule or a blast of karting before bed. I'm confident my love affair with Nintendo and particularly Switch will endure.
@VENOMVSCARNAGE Wow, means you spent over $1000, that's crazy!
@Fashegoy It is affordable compared to that, but not compared to the 3ds. If parents didn't care about price points then no kids would have a 2ds, everyone would have a New 3ds XL. This isn't the case though, many parents won't just go out and spend over $500 on something.
@Donutman I think many parents will share with the kids, or not play it at all. Of course those parents are the ones who are waiting to give that to the kids for Christmas.
What I said was just my opinion that I would not buy more in one household. These are good points and I can see why some people would want more. I think most people will only have one Switch in a house and Nintendo shouldn't try marketing it too hard depending on that. I should have put most people instead of nobody in the original comment, but didn't think too far ahead.
We are in for quite the ride!
I'm one of those who doesn't normally buy systems within the same family if I already own a system that still works. I'm planning on breaking that pattern with the 3DS tbh since I feel the "New" iterations do enough to warrant an upgrade.
As for the Switch, I don't yet own one and very possibly won't until about the time an upgraded version comes along.
@BezBot Just waiting for the inevitable announcement of Monster Hunter 5 for Switch, then I'm buying a 2nd switch for my wife. ^__^
Can't wait for some awesome MH co-op!
I have full confidence that the 'fad' response buyers have shown will wear off quickly and the thing won't sell anymore.
As soon as they figure out how to sell Switch colors, and none of this dual neon garbage.
I had a feeling statements like that would start popping up.
From "the Switch will only sell well for a month like the Wii U", to "just wait, sales will collapse at any moment now..."
@TsukiDeity Yeah but rn there are no games you can play only with 2 switches and not just on one Switch. Plus there has been nothing said about multiplayer on Monster Hunter using two switches
@BezBot You are wrong. Theres 2 switches here in my apartment for me and my brother. And a friend of mine has 2 switches he shares with his wife and kids. There are stories everywhere where families buy more than 1 system.
@TsukiDeity man I can't wait for that . Probably my most hyped unannounced game lol back in 2010 when MH Tri came out I put 700 hours in once I finally retired from the game . Great memories during that summer out of school & playing online .
@BezBot Sorry if i sounded harsh. I know what you mean, but the switch is more comparable to personal devices like smartphones, tablets and 3DS'es. Even though it's also a console. And households tend to buy more than 1 of these devices, plus, most electronics bought are even more expensive then the $299 price tag.
@oatmealwarrior92 Rumour says that MH5 will launch in feb/mar next year.
A really well written article. Bravo!
@BezBot I didn't spend a grand, I bought mine, they bought there's.
I have however bought 5 3DS systems, got an Ambassador New 3DS plus the 4 Zelda ones, lol.
I'm a sucker for Zelda merch.
@Alikan a nice idea, but I play on tv regularly, too. I'd basically need to set two docking stations (one next to the TV and one in the bedroom). It's an inelegant solution (hence my switch enthusiasm).
Just wait for the E3...
Just give me a Switch mini. GBA SP design with 720p and 6 inch screen.
It's a Wii U made proper portable but with certain drawbacks.
... and Pokemon. Lots of Pokemon.
@VENOMVSCARNAGE Okay makes sense if it's like that I guess. @Robsnoow I know some people will buy more, that's not what I was trying to say. All I want is Nintendo realize many people won't have that, so it shouldn't be marketed for people buying more than one Switch, because many people won't.
@theRED1 Okay, but personally I don't find that experience worth an extra grand. I have done this with my friends, but that's also because we need Zelda time alone ofc.
I will probably get one next year when they're readily available at stores and more than 5-6 games I want to play.
Till then I'm still super happy with my Wii u with mk8 and botw (among many others)!
Switch will be a big winner - I`m counting on it.
Switch needs to marketed more as a handheld first and console second.
@StarmanSSP STARMAN!!!!! loved Pro Wrestling for the nes.
@westman98 Not from me you didn't. I've said from the beginning it would have an initial surge of sales and then drop off. Even the Wii U had that much. So my suggestion would be to take your condescending attitude and shove it somewhere the sun doesn't shine. I posted my opinion and I have every right to do that. I don't see you attacking the people that posted their opinion it will do well.
Great article. Belongs on financial websites.
@ThomasBW84 I have 34 3Ds and 2Ds (and counting, take a look at my profile pic) so, yes, I can relate to the fact that portables always gonna have a units/major game ratio well above 2 (even 5-6, easily).
Portables come with several special editions (more than 50 on the 3DS) compared to home consoles (like 3 on the Wii, Nintendo's most successful console to date) so the trend is going to continue.
I guess I'll cross off "the Switch is DOA at launch", since you never said that.
I remember a couple occasions people buying wii u games for their wii, that's how bad the marketing was for the wii u where as the switch it's the total opposite and i can see it passing 3ds sales.
@westman98 Cross the other one off too. I've said from the beginning we wouldn't know how well it would sell for months after release. And we probably won't know for several more.
I see the Switch as more of a high powered portable that can connected to the tv, and that is definitely not a bad thing at all. Portables are very, very popular in Japan and sell a lot better their, and the idea of a very powerful handheld that looks like a tablet and can connect to a tv and also has the motion controls would be very appealing to most people.
Personally, I think that Nintendo should soon quit production of 3DS and put all their focus on the Switch. Bring out a lot more systems, get all the games that would go to portables and systems, and I bet the Switch will sell amazingly. I know I plan to pick one up, but the problem is their is barely any games or systems
As a father of 4 kids, the first thing I thought when the switch was announced was "damn, one one be enough. I'm going to need to buy multiple units". Def think this is going to continue to keep Switch selling well.
To address Nintendo's interest in seeing multiple systems in the same house, my daughter and I each have a Switch bought at launch. We each own a copy of BOTW and MK. I can definitely see the chance of multiple Switch sales to individuals in a single home. It is a portable, so one for each kid. Big or small. 😊
I think Nintendo's two big mistakes with the Switch thus far are the lack of:
1) Support for free-to-play mobile apps
2) Tablet-esque features such as an internet browser or media apps like Netflix or Youtube
I am a firm believer that Nintendo can convince a decent subsection of the tablet/phablet market to buy a Switch off of the back of Nintendo's own first party support, some Japanese 3rd party software, F2P games, indie games, and media entertainment apps.
Multiple systems per household at $300? (Or more if you're in Europe, especially the UK.) Maybe for people who are well off, but most households are only going to have one. Most people make exceptions for multi-purpose devices like phones, tablets, desktops, laptops, etc... But for single purpose electronic devices? Those are a tougher sell than they used to be.
Nintendo should aim for one in as many households as possible, like they used to for their home consoles. (Since, you know, that's what they're advertising the NS as... Even if they are portable.) Multiple in each household is biting off more than they can chew. Especially with stock in many parts of the biggest markets (like the USA) being sold out more often than not at the moment.
Of course, considering the Japanese price for the NS is ¥30,000, which currently equates to about $262... Almost $40 cheaper than in the USA, which is practically in a different price bracket altogether... It would be much more likely for the Japanese to own multiple consoles per household than anyone else.
I mean, since the NS is being billed as a home console, and it can host 4 players locally, Nintendo's statement here is not so wildly different from saying, "certain households may feel that one N64, GCN, Wii, or Wii U is not enough." That's called greed.
Very good article - enjoyed it a lot!
It's funny, the early marketing of the WiiU that you mentioned - where one half of a couple would play the WiiU off-screen as the other watched TV - is pretty much how the Switch is being used in my household! ..if there's a sporting event or gripping drama on TV that one of us wants to watch, the other is quite happy to un-dock the Switch and get their game on!
The core concept was there with the WiiU - but the unattractive hardware, limited flexibility and lack of system selling software meant that it fell short.
The Switch takes the core concept of the WiiU and stretches it even further - you can now play completely untethered...you can take your AAA home console with you, anywhere!
..they also seem to have learned some other valuable lessons from the WiiU; the WiiU's styling was often compared unfavourably to a Fisher Price tablet - so they made the Switch look sleek and modern...the mistakes with software have also been noted and improved upon - the early titles are stronger, with shorter gaps between big releases. It's a recipe for success
I cannot describe just how good the Switch actually feels - it's blown me away! I pre-ordered one and hoped that I'd love it as much as I had some of Nintendo's previous consoles...if you ask me right now, I'd say that the Switch is my favourite console EVER - if I'm still saying that in 5 years time, I'll be a very VERY happy customer!
However, thanks to the ever-growing list of home improvements that I'm having to attend to - and the ever-growing costs - there probably won't be a second Switch in my household any time soon though! Haha! (..don't get old kids!)
@westman98 Yeah, it's a huge missed opportunity to not bring over Nintendo's own mobile titles to the NS, to complete the loop and bring mobile users over to Nintendo's infrastructure. It's not too late, though, they can still do this by the end of the year and see good results.
@BezBot given that it launched at a time when no other new console is out, people have more gaming budget for it.
My household has two units, and my neighbor's has two as well.
Having said that, I know several people who are holding out on buying a Switch until a Pokemon or MonHun game comes out. Another neighbor is waiting for a "Switch XL" (which I think will not happen) before buying two consoles.
The Switch is already selling well, but I wholly believe Nintendo will release a Switch "Pocket" and mainline Pokemon will eventually come to the Switch. When that happens, that's when Switch sales will be evergreen.
Lol @ all the parents spoiling their kids with their own $300 portable gaming console, instead of teaching them to share one with a group of people. Getting multiple controllers should be enough, since each NS can host 4 players... Everything I got as a kid, I had to share with my sister, friends, and possibly other kids if I brought them to the day care. (Unless it was really cheap, like the $80 Game Boys. But those weren't $300. And I was super lucky my mother was gracious enough to get me a Sega Nomad for $180!)
I really really like the Wii U. In my opinion it goes down the trail of a lot of missed opportunities there are so many possibilities missed ., Still it is a system still worth owning if you are a Nintendo fan it has a wealth of great titles that offer a lot of replay ability . Yet we are now with the Nintendo Switch which I think has got right what the Wii U got wrong in every way the Switch is an excellent piece of tech and is sleek and stylish in design and most importantly right now the Switch is gaining in promise and potential every day so far I am more than happy with my Nintendo Switch.
@SomeWriter13 Yeah RN there is no reason to buy it in my opinion. All the multiplayer games you can play with multiple switches you can play on one. Later when those come out, I can see that.
34? Why so many? Not a typo?
I don't own a Switch (so I can't really argue about it), but I will say that until nintendo shows some other games for it, it's still not on a wish list for myself, my kids or my wife...just nothing appealing at the moment, and if we look towards the end of this year (which E3 could show a lot more) there's only Zelda, Mario Odyssey and Mario Kart to look at...have no interest in Splatoon or Arms. Other than that, we have the PS3, PS4, Gamecube, Genesis, Super NES, NES, 3DS and PS2 to keep us occupied, and the Gamecube is still my favorite nintendo console to date (over 200 games we own for it). Could prove me wrong, and as long as the 3rd parties keep releasing the games for it, I won't complain. I've been worried about the 3DS, which hasn't seen many games from companies other than nintendo within the past few years, and it seems to be falling off the scales...games are even becoming harder and harder to find for the 3DS, which is very strange. We did own a Wii U...absolutely hated the system and only played Mario 3D World...didn't really find a ton of enjoyment out of the other games for it, as they seemed rushed to keep the consumers happy who bought the system...the games weren't long enough and didn't really have the long replay value that nintendo usually puts into their games. The Wii was great for it's time, but many people started to walk away from it after it's first 3 years, and I'll admit that it got boring after a while too, I wanted to have the option of playing with the motion controls, or just a regular controller that didn't have me flailing my arms around like I was taking off for flight!
I do have concerns for the Switch, as I'm wondering on if nintendo will let the 3rd parties have their shots...advertising their games besides just nintendo's own, and keeping the 3rd parties happy in the mean time too. They need the 3rd parties, and as long as they have the various genres...especially the REAL sports sims and some other decent goodies, then it'll definitely hit its peak and surpass the Wii U...I don't see it being a problem of out selling that system, and I see it outselling the Gamecube's life cycle too...but I don't see it coming close to the Wii....man that was a long comment!!!!
@BezBot definitely. Many big titles like mainline Pokemon and MonHun games require multiple consoles to play multiplayer. It's hard to imagine playing a co-op MonHun quest in portable mode with that tiny screen and limited single-joycon controls. XD
@PlywoodStick I agree the price is a real eye-popper, but it's not one or the other, mate. Kids can be taught to share and have separate consoles at the same time. You said it yourself: the Switch's two joycons allow sharing. Nintendo promotes sharing. But with two consoles, kids can play 4-player local coop on some games. You gotta admit that appeals to everyone's inner child.
@BezBot 3 in my house.
The thing that absolutely kills portable mode for me is the lack of Bluetooth. Wired headphones just aren't that nice in handheld mode.
And for absolute success, get more main series games out with strong communities like animal crossing and pokemon. Spin of stuff like pokemon Stadium and happy home designer should be addons rather than their own game.
Be more transparent with patches, Updates, problems and plans for the console.
@PlywoodStick I agree with you (On the parenting piece) but I can still see a use for multiple switches in the house. My son isn't old enough to play games yet, but if he was, I definitely know I would want a second Switch. As it stands, I'll likely end up with a second one for my Wife, eventually. I doubt I'll ever get a third, even when my Son is playing games. My wife and I can share, and if we have another kid, they can learn to share too. Though, by then, we'll probably on the next get of Nintendo devices.
@BezBot I personally am going to buy two more for my two boys. That way they have their own and we can play games together without sacrificing screen real estate.
@BezBot speak for yourself. The wife and I have already talked about getting a second one just as soon as the is a game she wants exclusively to herself.
"Multiple systems per household at $300?"
It will drop in price over the years though. Then when different iterations come out at different prices, the older machines will get handed on elsewhere in the household etc....
It may not happen a lot but the current price isn't the thing that will stop it.
So I am in the "can't find one on the shelf" camp. I look forward to getting one.
I play exclusive games on my docked Switch. But if people like it as a portable, good.
@PlywoodStick Switch won't be over running households any time soon, and it won't do so at $300 either. There are 6 versions of the 3DS in 6 years, from $79 to $249. 3 versions of the PS4 in 3 years soon to be 3 versions of x1 depending on what they name Scorpio.
Either they simply dump the dock to drop it $50, kids don't need docks, or they make a smaller cheaper kids version. It's a year or 2 out, but when next Gen Pokémon releases, yes every kid will want, some will even say need, their own Switch.
"Switch" as it stands is a hybrid, but there will be more. Just think, if in a year they can get the current bundle to $249, drop the dock and it's the sweet spot, $199. Maybe drop the Grip too, kids don't need that either since it won't be docked.
Have you seen the DQ New 2DS XL? Back of the Switch is just waiting to be emblazoned.
@Don Nope.In the pic alone there are 16-18, and I have some rare special editions that don't leave a display cabinet (like a Peach Club Nintendo special edition 3DS, or my "We are Twins", Super Mario iQue from China).
I'm planning to go to Korea in a couple of years to get a shot at getting a Blue Doraemon 3DS (possibly 1,500-2,000 dollars). Only three were ever made.
as soon as splatoon2 hits my home will need two switches minimum. i'm normally really careful with my hard earned money but Nintendo is doing really well out of me at the moment and will be for the foreseeable future.
@PlywoodStick $180 in 1995 (when the Nomad was released), adjusted for inflation, equals $290 in 2017. $80 in 1993 equals $136 today. So you had $426 worth of gaming devices all to yourself in the Nineties, but you think today's parents are spoiling their kids if they buy them a $300 machine. 😛
@JasmineDragon Inflation is always a tricky thing to account for. $180 wasn't worth $290 back then. So that's definitely interesting to compare, and it's a reminder of how screwed the economy is going to be, but that's false equivalence to relate it to today. Especially since the 1990's were so prosperous by comparison. $180 was generally easier to earn back then than $300 is today.
So yes, it is spoiling kids to spend $600, $900, or even more between one, two, and whoever else on consoles that can support 4 players for each one, just so they can each have their own. A set of controllers and one console is enough.
Also, the Game Boys were shared between my sister and I. They weren't only mine to use. Nothing gaming related was. She just wasn't interested in a portable console like the Nomad... Oh, and no extra money was needed to be spent on extra accessories for the Nomad. The original package was enough.
"Nintendo is aiming for multiple systems in each household"
At €330 a pop, not to mention all the hidden extra costs, eh, ya, good luck with that. And yes, for it to have any chance of success, it has to be in the "portable" market, because that's what it is. As a Wii U owner, I find the Switch an extremely big disappointment as a "console" successor. Look at the games, so many ports and they don't look really any better. And there's many more reasons besides that.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE ... and yet Apple seemed to have succeeded in getting multiple iOS devices in my household (7 at the last count) all of which cost more than the Switch.
@Yas Completely different and ridiculous argument.
@BezBot My family already has 3 of them and I have a friends and they have 2 so I think your wrong. There are tons of people out there that will buy more than one switch per house hold.
@BezBot You have to remember that this is a bastion of Nintendo fans, which can skew perceptions. 99% of the population would not buy more than 1 NS for a whole family when it can host 4 players with controllers. NintendoLife is part of the 1%. (Buncha suckers! )
@electrolite77 How long will it take to drop in price? The Wii U practically never dropped in price, excepting bundles. The 3DS only got it's price drop based on a position of weakness. Nintendo is coming into a position of strength. Are they really going to lower the price any time soon from that position? And what guarantee is there that we will see a strictly portable model? Won't people be confused by Nintendo marketing a similar product, with it suddenly no longer being a "home console you can take on the go"?
@rjejr There's plenty of opportunity there, to be sure, but... Seeing that image...
"Out of shot is a concerned parent with a sizeable credit card bill"
At the moment, if Nintendo's statement is taken to heart, that's $1200 spent on Switches right there. Not counting extra accessories, of course. For that money, it could buy a family PC instead... Or the month's rent or mortgage payment.
love mine so far would like to see more wii u ports. Not only as it had some great exclusives. But being realistic there is a good chance a lot of switch owners present & future wont have played or even seen some of these games in the wild. Trying find a wii u section in a gaming shop nether mind anywhere else was a challenge
@BezBot I'm actually considering selling my ps4 and wii u, just to buy a second switch.
The joycon's cost me 80 € for a new pair ... Might as well get a new switch, so i can play future games that don't have split screen but still allow for lan play.
plus i have 2 kids
and i can use the 2 new joycons from the new switch also on the other switch to play with 4 people mario kart split screen.
I think Switch will be successful but Nintendo need to sort their stock logistics out as they don't help themselves. Look how many missed sales they incurred with NES mini. Switch stock is laughable too. They never seem prepared for high demand.
@Anguspuss Me too. I'd actually really love Wii U ports on Switch...
@Anguspuss I don't get people asking for more Wii U ports. Mmm, ya, please give me more of the same games that I played to death on Wii U only a couple of years ago. And let me pay Nintendo another €60 for the laziness. What a bargain! Is this really what people buy a "new" "console" for?
But will it blend? That is the question.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I never owned a wii u so never played the games to death. Same with my ps4 I played ports of some ps3 games I never played due to no owning a ps3.
My main reason for buying a Switch will be Nintendo games. I need more games out before I will buy one. I am glad I'll be able to play it in any room in my house though (unlike the Wii U which I couldn't even take out of my bedroom).
seeing as you can get the dock seperate now. I could see them releasing a switch only pack for people that only want handheld or a 2nd switch for the household
@SomeWriter13 Yeah but right now there is no reason and still some people won't want to buy more so they should continue local support
@Banemus Personally I wouldn't sell perfectly good consoles to buy another console I already have for LAN play, but that's just me
@PlywoodStick Yeah I've seen that, viewing how many people have replied to that comment. All I was trying to say was Nintendo should not intend on people buying more because many people won't
@hendie001 There are also even more people with one Switch! Some people will buy more, but most won't due to the price.
@derickw69 I was speaking for myself thanks, I knew some people would buy two.
@cloud36426 Yeah I was talking about parents who don't care about games, they prob won't buy more
@BezBot True! Don't get me wrong, I **love** the local support. I hope they keep putting out new games that require only one Switch console for multiplayer. I There's something uniquely fun about huddling around a single console.
(Of course I wish they'd also announce Pokemon and MonHun soon, too!)
When METROID is shown off at E3 it will be a done deal. Nintendo will have hot it's 3 core franchises right out of the gate and give all gamers no excuse to not pick the Switch up.
Glad to see 'handheld' and 'portable' being used as separate terms... people have been getting them confused for too long, and understanding them properly could really help people to understand what exactly a Switch is and how it relates to the 3DS.
@WiltonRoots. I've always looked at it as which console gives me more for a buck. Nintendo does. I have 300+ games for my Wii U, 100+ for my 3ds. Lots of free Vc games from club Nintendo. I could play smash 8 person day 1 with everything I had because of backward compatibility.
On the other hand, lots of gamers have been paying for Xbox live and ps+ for over 10 years...which is $1000s wasted on what...a couple free games 3 years after release that I got for $10 off eBay, or online services that my pc and Nintendo didn't have to charge me for.
I am not rich enough to buy $60+ AAA games every week while paying for online services. I not even sure if I'm going to pay for nintendos online service. Prob going to have to eventuality though.
@datamonkey same happened with Sony and Microsoft. They also were sold out. Nothing new here. Each time when a system gets a release it's always out of stock
Multiple systems at the current pricing range is not only total non-starter -but it is also a fantasy.
If I only needed 1 copy of MK8+ or Splatoon 2 for local wireless play, I would get a second switch for the kids. But buying multiple copies of $60 games on top of the expense of a second switch too much for me right now. Maybe at the holidays . . . .
@BezBot Last time i played ps4 was a year ago when uncharted 4 released. That is also the ONLY game i have ever played on it. So yea, it is just collecting dust, I have already played more on my switch. I also have a serious gaming pc rig, which makes my ps4 very very worthless.
Wii u is outdated and useless to me now.
There's really a different set of rules here as far as ports from past systems go. It should wind up being much more useful than putting something like Super Mario Galaxy on Wii U virtual console, as an example of an almost completely unnecessary double dip. What's the selling point there? "Hey! Now you don't have to activate the built-in Wii mode"?
For those only thinking in terms of "played it...what's next?", then sure, you don't want to see a parade of games you're done with come out all over again. I personally am more prone to revisit favorite games at times even on the same console as before, but with the Switch every port offered comes with a brand new feature - portability. That may not be enough for some, and for them we should hope a good supply of brand new titles is on it's way. For those of us that enjoy going back and replaying, the ability to take all these once home-bound titles to wherever we want is icing on the replay cake. Some people pay large amounts to get a classic cabinet game that gives them exactly one title to play, so let's not act like it's a crime to put out a version of an older system's game on the newest hardware. I've even been annoyed that Nintendo's been ditching the 3 save files approach they used to use so often, since I often start a new file just to go through from the start again.
Now if we could just get to the part where we start seeing ports of..., let's say - older NINTENDO games for the Switch, along with the steady stream of Neo-Geo we've been seeing, it would be fine with me.
@Banemus If that's how you feel, sure do it, nobody's stopping you
@SomeWriter13 Yeah the games it needs such as pokemon but at the moment no reason for it besides your own screen and stuff
Dang never replied to so many people or replied to so much because of a single comment
@oatmealwarrior92 That is the beauty of the device and, in my opinion, something that should be maintained at all costs (it being a hybrid and not either of one that is).
@BezBot What your saying is true, but some people prefer to have their own screen instead of sharing half a screen. To each their own. Well MH5 hasn't actually been announced. But it will certainly come to the Switch as Capcom wants to keep the series on handhelds (that's what made it popular in the first place). The Switch is the best handheld on the market. It will certainly be 1 player per system with up to 4 players co-op (how the series has always been) and online (since it's introduction with MH3G Wii U). Until playing locally with 3 friends (in japan) is no longer popular, it's not going away. It may not look like it, but MH is quite the social game in Japan.
@oatmealwarrior92 Wow that's alot of hours!
I racked about around 400 hours myself playing with my wife. I was never interested in this game, I didn't even enjoy the demo for MH3G on Wii U. I just randomly bought the Wii U and 3DS version to make my wife happy, and low and behold 400 hours later we switched over to MH4! haha Super excited for MH5 on switch.
Get the convenience of playing the game out and about with friends locally (like 3DS or PSP) AND the ability to play on the big screen (like Wii U). Super hyped! ^__^
@TsukiDeity Ik Monster Hunter is coming, but at the moment there are no games that need it now. In the future I understand, but now, nope.
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