Ever since the Wii U there's been a wait for GameCube on the Virtual Console. Nintendo's current home console never received that library of games, though it was backwards compatible with Wii games and its Virtual Console went right up to Nintendo 64; in other words, the GameCube is the only major Nintendo home console not represented on the system.
Of course, that makes it a long-running part of the general fan wishlist. In late December, Eurogamer published a report based on its understanding that the GameCube is coming to the Nintendo Switch Virtual Console, but that's a rumour still on ice as Nintendo is yet to get into the detail of the system's eShop or VC. A kicker, of course, is that the Switch controllers - Joy-Con and Pro Controller - have digital triggers and not the analogue equivalents that graced the GC pads. That's not a complete deal-breaker, but is clearly far from ideal in titles that made smart use of the analogue inputs.
In any case, French outlet melty.fr spoke to Shinya Takahashi (Director at Nintendo, General Manager of Entertainment Planning and Development) and Yoshiaki Koizumi (Deputy General Manager of Entertainment Planning and Development) about the Switch, and tried to get information on lesser-known aspects of the system. Neither would be fully drawn on the GameCube for a Switch VC, but did give vaguely reassuring words while highlighting wariness of Joy-Con designed with GameCube inputs in mind.
Koizumi: We cannot give a concrete answer, because we have nothing to announce at the moment. But there's something I can tell you: we are working on some things along those lines.
Takahashi: The technology is open enough that in the future, other accessories will be grafted on the console. If one day we think of creating Joy-Con GameCube Edition, we will think of putting in analogue triggers. I can imagine a GameCube Controller in Joy-Con; it might be a bit big and ugly, no?
Another detail that could prove useful with headphones and gaming headsets in the future is the fact that the Switch console's audio jack will still work as expected when the system is docked. So if you're using wired / wireless sets (including Bluetooth) and the docked system is more accessible or practical than the TV jack, that's apparently an option. The dock is the only way to bring the console's image onto the TV, though, so those hoping to hook a Switch up through third-party accessories using USB-c will be unsuccessful.
A mix of the speculative and the practical, then. Before you get too excited about the GameCube remarks, though, just remember that Reggie Fils-Aime said this in September 2012 with regards to GC games on Wii U.
That is a great question. And personally I would love for that to happen, but we have nothing to announce right now.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst...
Thanks to all that sent this in.
[source melty.fr, via melty.fr, perfectly-nintendo.com]
I'm excited about the head phone jack!
Never really bothered with N64 and Wii VC games because I already have the ones I'm interested in and I wouldn't have bought them again for pure convenience's sake. Never cared for a GC VC on WiiU either. But the idea of taking all these grand games on the go is simply amazing. I'd buy stuff as new as the Mario Galaxy games in a heart beat.
This strongly indicates that the rumors of GameCube VC at launch were false. Such a bummer.
So the news is they didn't say no? Lol is this the state of Nintendo gaming?
As an aside, since I'm new to Nintendo, the VC is of huge imprtance to me. I would like to try Mario sunshine as well as a few other games. It was one of the reasons(albeit a lesser one) that I jumped on board the preorder train. It doesn't have to be a day one thing, but I would like to know if it is happening or not.
Ridiculous. GameCube VC is a must for the eShop.
So digital triggers killed the GC VC in the Wii U. Digital triggers should kill it on the Switch as well, no?
Also, did fans make up that excuse, or did Nintendo confirm that as the reason?
I'm getting a little sick of the will it or will it not coyness from Nintendo about GameCube inclusion in to the Virtual Console. Frankly it was promised for Wii U and never came, it better be on Switch. And a Switch Pro Controller can pretty much do what the GameCube controller can. But fine, make an adapter similar to the one made for Smash Bros Wii U and allow us to plug in GameCube controllers to play the games on Switch but just give us the possibility. Nintendo has really let Virtual Console slip in the 3DS/Wii U era, GameCube games really should be added. It's not like the Switch can't run them graphically and it's not like they need access to the touch screen like some Wii U games or even DS games would need.
Um, so it sounds like the lack of analog triggers is actually quite literally the reason GCN games have not been announced.
It would be really nice to have a Gamecube VC, but it definitely doesn't seem ready in any form. I feel they would make a Gamecube-Joycon hybrid because of how gung-ho they are about the idea of taking your home console anywhere (rather than just letting the Switch use the Wii U Gamecube Adapter). It's pretty hard to say if the Gamecube VC will happen at all, but if it will, I expect it to come in 2018.
***preorder-decision-meter slips towards Cancel***
Koizumi's comment kind of makes me think they might be working on HD remakes of GameCube titles, rather than just doing a direct port onto the VC.
Wind Waker and Twilight Princess were successful examples of that, so they could be planning to do the same with other titles.
They could always used the Joy-Cons gyros in lieu of analog triggers, with the stick buttons for the click.
GameCube VC games aren't possible without analog triggers. I have no idea why this keeps coming up.
Ok. About the analog triggers, it should be a default thing straight from out of the box. But, Nintendo loves selling accessories. What a ya know....
I am more concerned about the older VC honestly. I can still go buy GCN games for decent prices (I already have most of the scalper rip off fodder) but older games not so much. Either way I am buying the NS to play current games...VC is gravy. Although if they want to use the GCN VC as an excuse to update a few franchises with sequels I won't say no either...
GameCube joycons sound a good idea to me though it's annoying they didn't put analog triggers in the normal ones.
By the time they get round to putting GameCube on a Nintendo system VC everybody will own cheap laptops powerful enough to run Dolphin at High Settings with texture packs anyway.
Has Nintendo ever really promised GCN VC? While I'd love for it to exist, I think most people have confused rumors with fact, and now consider lack of GCN on the Switch as a failure or broken promise, even though it (to my knowledge) wasn't ever really promised
I got my old Wii up and working again so I don't really mind if there's no GCN VC. And if there's a Gamecube game I want that's too expensive... well... yeah.
You really would only need a different Right Joy-Con controller for Gamecube support. Did any Gamecube games make use of the analog L-trigger? I can't think of any, and the layout on the Left side is perfect for gamecube games.
It sounds to me that GCN VC isn't in the plans.... The comment from Takahashi of the GCN Joy con sounds like they tried, it was ugly and uncomfortable and they scrapped the idea.
It may come down the road as HD remakes, though. They already made Tantalus port TP, they may outsource to them other projects since they already have a working engine.
I was hoping for gamecube games so I could have another play through super Mario sunshine. It's the only Mario game I've ever traded in and I deeply regret it.
Its probably the only game I'm bothered about though if truth be told so if they're not coming I'd be more than happy with a HD remake if you happen to be reading this Nintendo
the only thing confirmed here is that Joy-Con triggers are NOT analog.
Nothing surprise me anymore.
Edit: Nothing literally nothing Nintendo has said post reveal in January speaks to: you must get this console". DLC, higher prices in amiibo, lack of games at launch, high prices in accessories, paid online with only a rent game per month and we still don't know anything about how it will work the service, lackluster Virtual Console, possible not account base system yet again, possible not trophy system again. All this screams more to do not buy than buy.
@ricklongo everything Laura tweeted was plain wrong.
Wait, wait, wait... the triggers are still digital? WTF Nintendo, it's 2017, it costs a couple extra pence to implement and makes porting over to Switch so much easier for devs (while Project Cars for Wii U was still a thing they mentioned having to use the second analogue stick as a replacement).
It's kinda funny how they add HD Rumble and an IR Sensor but can't chip in for some proper triggers...
It's stupid not to have Game Cube VC. Games like Mario Sunshine, Path of Radiance and Luigis Mansion would have sold well and covered up the blank spots of the launch line-up and the first few months.
I'm still hoping for good news, but to me the radio silence on VC means: There is no VC, only some multiplayer updated NES and SNES games, like the short lived 3D Nes Classics on 3DS.
The system is clearly not designed for VC. Handheld mode has no D-Pad. Four separate buttons that look like a D-Pad, but not a real D-Pad. And as the article mentions: No triggers analogue triggers means some GC games are not or barely playable.
Maybe there will be special Joycons for VC, but for now I wouldn't be surprised of Nintendo is avoiding to talk about old VC purchases etc., because they know what the say would ruin the pre order excitement of a lot of people.
HD remakes please. All of the gamecube games, all HD remakes! Don't want gamecube VC. As good as those games are, a lot could do with updating and would fill in a lot of gaps over the next 5 or 6 years.
Could there be a classic controller in the future with standard triggers?
Im sure it will come for switch. I think it will be anounced at E3 together with other big news.
@MisterKorman hmm nope please no. I have a photo of her shenanigans, I wish I could upload it.
Stupid decision to have digital shoulder buttons. Not just for Gamecube vc, but also because it limits development options for future games compared to competitors.
I play Gamecube games on my Wii U using the awesome USB GX interface and Nintendon't as the loader.
I came across an awesome Gamecube Wii splash screen or whatever they call it that includes the full Gamecube animation and sound for Wii U USB GX by some guy on YouTube called Jonny Allison. Very slick.
So here's what I think:
Nintendo is testing demand for NGC VC
This is totally out of left field, but I think VC on the Switch is going to be an emulation app that can be downloaded from the eShop
There will be a Gamecube Pro controller released around the time of NGC VC to satisfy the 10% of games that utilized the analog triggers and the fans who prefer to play NGC with a NGC controller
Only my own speculation, but it's nice to know that Nintendo is caring about the NGC in some capacity. Personally, I think the games can be reworked to strip the analog triggers for digital, but I digress
I play cube games on wii so not to bothered about VC cube but it would still be a welcome edition. Only gripe I have with VC is the lack of games released for it, you know what I mean 1 game here 2 games there then a drought. They just need to ramp it up that's all
@DarthFoxMcCloud it was never promised for Wii U. I can't tell if you're trolling or serious. Show me one piece of evidence that Nintendo ever promised GCN for VC. Heck, this article even quotes what they said to the idea originally. There were plenty of rumors, but that's far from a promise.
Digital triggers: Either Nintendo is utterly clueless and/or stubborn as mules (NiH), or they deliberately made them digital in order to sell us analog Joycon 2's down the road...
Since when has Nintendo cared about their hardware "looking ugly" !? N64 pad, says hi. LOL
@YellowFighter easier. Wii U already had a Wii emulator. It took very little resources to throw Wii games onto the eShop. GCN games would require creating an emulator and making a solution for he lack of analog shoulder buttons. Much more work for them.
@BonafideInfidel Take that back please, the N64 pad is a thing of beauty!
After the Wii U and 3DS, I don't know what to even expect for Switch VC. Ignoring the fact that they've been pretty silent on the matter... like, I'd love to purchase old games I can play both on the go and on the tv but I don't wanna get my hopes high. I don't think they've even said if we'll have VC at launch.
@duffmmann the greatest racing game of all time F-Zero GX
We keep hearing about all the great, gee whiz tech in the joy cons.... Except proper analog triggers.
Hmm. I guess the reason the triggers are digital is because they wanted to allow using a single joycon for each player. Although I'm sure that could have been solved on the strap thingies.
@ShadJV It doesn't. The Wii is a Gamecube 1.5x. Most, if not all Wii software would run easily on GCN.
Hence why Nintendon't is on Wii U and working perfectly.
I wouldn't likely buy Gamecube VC games, since I still have the originals by and large, but no analog triggers is a missed opportunity for modern development.
Adding them in later, to a Joy-con+, if you will, is a nonstarter from this perspective. History has shown time and again that the crushing majority of devs don't develop for a split userbase when it comes to control schemes.
@beazlen1 What did the L-Trigger do in F-Zero GX? And did it need to be analog for it? I'd imagine that most games that need an analogue trigger to accelerate would use the R-Trigger, and of course the FLUDD in Mario Sunshine needed to use that analog R-Trigger.
There's still no news about VC whatsoever. Not good
So what games actually used the analogue triggers? It's been ages since I played on the GC so I can't remember any.
It seems to me a compromise solution on the Switch could be to map a half press of the analogue triggers to the L1 and R1 buttons and a full trigger pull could be mapped to L2/R2. That only leaves the Z button which could be mapped to the touch screen.
@readyletsgo I want my Super Monkey Ball 1&2 HD!
IMO it actually doesn't matter whether or not GC games made wide use of the analog triggers. The reality is they have become a standard on practically every home game system since the late 90s.
Kiss goodbye to intuitively controlled driving sims on Switch
Yeah they're probably do 'new controls' HD graphics remakes.
I'd love to see Fire Emblem Path of Radiance for $20 instead of ~$100-$150. That would push my Switch decision from "I'll get it eventually when it's cheaper" to "I need it ASAP".
@duffmmann Steer your machine to the left. It would be playable with digital triggers, but the gameplay would take a severe hit.
@ricklongo More LKD bull...
Don't care too much about anything GC has to offer but I'm still down for GC VC coming to the Switch of course.
Should have left out the HD rumble and IR sensor if it means we don't get analogue triggers. I would have enjoyed a GC Virtual Console way more than gimmicky rumble and an IR sensor that will probably never be used in games. I hope they release analogue trigger JoyCons eventually. Kind of a bummer that that's gonna be necessary for GameCube VC, because the accessories are already pretty pricey, especially the dock.
Honestly though, I don't really understand why they weren't there to begin with. They've been the industry standard for how long now?
@electrolite77 This is where I thought the Switch was going. Cut an NES controller in half and slide then into the switch. Cut an SNES controller in half for SNES games. Cut a GC controller in half for GC games. Cut an N64 controller in half...well that is more awkward.
Oh ya, we'll see GameCube VC. Of that I have no doubt.
Um, can you link to when they "promised" GameCube on Wii U?
Cause I was there from day one, and never recall any promises being made.
I think fans imagine things they want, then those imaginings turn into "Nintendo promised me" when Nintendo never did anything of the sort.
Even if they did say they intend to bring them, that's a far stretch from a promise, where they say "I hereby promise to bring GameCube to Wii U_. A promise is an oath taken. Simply saying "we plan to do such and such" is not a promise. But that's a moot point anyways cause they didn't even do that.
I want em too, but let's keep it real here. No promises were made.
"In a July 2011 interview, Nintendo's Amber McCollum stated that select GameCube titles would be made available for download on the Wii U console via the Wii U's own Nintendo eShop."
Quote from Wikipedia
"Interview" link below (start at 1:00 and end about 1:50)
And look up Amber McCollum Nintendo and Gamecube VC news links are everywhere but most of them are in rumours so... I guess your point is still valid.
GameCube on Virtual console?! Then yes i will buy switch!
Nintendo, give me Phantasy Star Online episode I & II and III playable on the Switch at home and on the go and I won't ever even look at other consoles. I won't have time.
GameCube has some gems. I really mostly buy physical games.
If people really wanna play GameCube games, I'd suggest a Wii. You can get one used for as cheap as 11 pounds and a generic pad for 5 pounds. You can still get GameCube games for cheap. There are 1 or 2 titles which are expensive but you can still buy most for cheap
@drich255 oh god yes! The two of them on one cart! We can only dream for now but hopefully Ninty have some 3rd parties doing HD remakes for them now
What about wireless, Bluetooth headphones? Will Switch be able to use these?
I remember the whole debacle saying they might appear, but never got official confirmation from Nintendo.
Which... ya. To construe it into a promise being made... just seems a stretch.
I truly believe they didn't appear because the Wii U failed though. There's no reason they can't just use the GC adapter in the Switch dock. I dont see any reason why it can't, or won't, happen.
In fact I'm expecting it. Some may say that's a foolish way to get your hopes obliterated, but I expect to see GC on Switch. If we don't I'll be very disappointed. But I'm not sweating it because I really do believe they'll come... at some point.
If there's a chance that Joycons or a pro controller might be released with analog triggers, then that's another reason NOT to burn money on any of Switch's controllers.
@nab1 Nintendo themselves have NEVER confirmed Gamecube VC on any of their platforms.
There was one staff member or manager in NoA that said it but no one really high up has ever confirmed something like that.
They should just cut the analogue trigger input and make it digital only, sure the games won't be true to original design but I'd take it. Also it could mean games like Mario sunshine, wave race, f zero and 1080 at launch 🤔👍🏻
Oh and rogue squadron around the time of episode 8 would be nice too
@Hordak Yes, Yoshiaki Koizumi confirmed that bluetooth headsets will work with the Nintendo Switch.
@Kunteper Fantastic news! Thanks for the reply.
@duffmmann L trigger did slide turn left and yes analogue helped. GC JoyCons with basic rumble, no IR camera and no motion controls should be a lot cheaper than current JoyCons. And they should be purple!!
@JaxonH When Wii U first launched there was an official Nintendo page that listed all of the aspects of the Wii U, and there was a line for VC that listed Gamecube alongside the older systems. It was there for about a year before they removed the word "GameCube" from the list. I linked to that page a few times over the first year then stopped when they removed it. I don't have a screen capture of it but trust me it was there. My guess is they intended to bring it, probably using the adaptor, then decided remaster were the way to go, see WW and TP HD. Super Mario Sunshine remade with that Mario Odyssey engine would be awesome.
So you'll get your Gamecube games on Switch, but half of they might be full priced remakes rather than $20 VC. Nvidia chips should be as good as your bionic Wii U to run them in HD.
My Gamecube is still plugged in under my tv. No biggie to me. Might be nice if they release titles I don't have though - but I get the impression it will be all the obvious titles if they do bring them out.
@nab1 I don't think it has, no.
I trust your word. Still not a confirmation but, it wouldn't surprise me.
What I was saying though more pertains to a "promise" being made, as if Nintendo announced at e3 GameCube was coming and they swear an oath it will happen...
I've always believed they intended to bring them but decided against it when the Wii U showed itself to be a bust
It would look ugly? Aren't the joycons in a dock the same thing as a gamecube controller except without analog triggers?
Btw... I'm counting on it.
I'd much rather have a remastered Fire Emblem Radiant Collection, or remastered Metroid Prime Trilogy, or Pikmin Collection, than a VC game. But VC will do nicely.
We need to see GameCube VC. Most games don't need analog anyways. Even for the ones that do, can release a special GC edition Joycon. But ya, it needs to happen. Wii U I understand why, but with Switch... it's gotta happen
Of course there is no gamecube support on WII U.. that system is too weak to emulate the NGC games. Period
Ugh. I really, really hope there is a GC VC games so that I can play Fire Emblem Path of Radiance again. That game is absurdely expensive at the moment and doesn't play particularly well on emulators.
@HyliasHero Still glad I got mine back in 07. It was $40 then and while it is my favorite in the franchise since the Awakening explosion finding an affordable copy is insanely expensive so it becomes hard to recommend to people.
I would love to replay it in HD on Switch!
You gotta be kidding me. THEY STILL HAVENT FIGURED THIS OUT???
The reason why Gamecube on the Switch's Virtual Console is being brought up is because Eurogamer has leaked that GCN VC is a thing, with Luigi's Mansion, Mario Sunshine, and Smash Bros Melee as the launch titles.
Eurogamer's track record with leaking Switch info has been pretty spot on, so when Koizumi says they are working on something along the lines of GCN VC, then it's probably more of a confirmation than a generic "we are looking into it" statement that Nintendo typically spits out.
Super Monkey Ball - bring it !
I wish they never asked
Why would it need to emulate them? It can play them natively. You can do it now with Nintendont.
@Wexter My old copy unfortunately was sold my by older brother. It's been ages since I've played it.
@Alucard83 why emulate when it can play natively
@HyliasHero What a savage beorc!
Luigi's Mansion and Super Mario Sunshine both require analog triggers. This isn't really a discussion that we need to have. Please do not expect GC on the VC. If it does make it through some work around, then you should be surprised, but don't be surprised if it's not there...
I've thought for a while they will make GC Joy-Con's. It wouldn't feel the same having to play GameCube games with the diamond shaped layout. They need to release GC Joy-Con's with the same layout with the C-Stick and everything.
Or we could just use our old, trusty gamecube controllers with the adapter from wii u.
I definitely would love to get my hands on Super Mario Sunshine and a few other titles that I had for my GameCube. Sadly I never completed that Mario installment prior to selling my GC (something I regret now) so it would definitely be nice to load it up and finally get the chance to check that one off the list.
I always figured they could use the gyroscopes or something to emulate the range of input values that you would have with analogue triggers if it was really necessary but a new joycon with analogue triggers instead of digital ones would be preferred.
@DarthFoxMcCloud I see no reason why Nintendo couldn't make a Wavebird equivalent with Bluetooth that would natively just link up with the Switch. The age of plugging in controllers is over. I'm not even going to bother with the charging grip. Getting a pro controller and the joy-cons are going to stay on my switch unless the game I am playing requires I remove them, like Arms or something. I'd love them to bring some of the better GC games over. I want to fill my SD card with goodies. I see this being my favorite system of all time, finally one I can bring everywhere with true console quality.
Bluetooth headset it is then! Now just tell me about the dam voice chat!
@JaxonH Yeah, people really shouldn't throw the word "promise" around, nobody in business ever "promises" anything. But, since businesses never use the word "promise" you can't really fault somebody for believing something is going to happen when a company says it is going to happen.
All companies say things that never come to be, for whatever reason, that's just how life works, but I do think Nintendo is worse than others b/c they do try to not say anything and hide all the time. Then when they do finally get around to telling the truth they make up really cock-n-bull stories that nobody believes for an instant. They are a very Japanese company that is all about pleasing people and trying to save face at the same time, which is a tightrope Nintendo is constantly falling off of, and westerners have a hard time dealing w/ them. Nobody more than me.
@Alucard83 That's stupid. The Wii U can actually play GameCube games psuedo natively and the Switch is more powerful than the Wii U
@JaxonH "But ya, it needs to happen."
At this point GC VC kind of does, for everyone's sake. Though I'd be more than happy w/ a 30 for $30 GameCube bundle. OK, that's not gonna happen, maybe 5 for $50. Oh it doesn't matter I'm never getting Starfox Adventures HD anyway. I do want Sunshine HD and Luigi's Mansion HD much more than VC though. $40 instead of $60 would be nice. $50 w/ a Mario w/ FLUDD and Luigi w/ Polturgust amiibo. I know you'd buy 2 of each.
That's the nature of games really. Scalebound cancelled is a perfect example. Companies announce their intentions at the time, but situations change, priorities change, and decisions change.
Nintendo in mobile is the best example. At the time they explained they didn't want to dive in, they meant it. It wasn't a lie... they truly had no intentions of doing so. But those intentions changed as the gaming climate changed. It happens.
GC on Wii U, absolutely believe they intended to do so. But as the climate changed ... they reevaluated and decided against it.
Wii U did it through BC with Wii OS though. Switch will have to emulate, which takes far, far more power to do.
That said, I fully believe Switch capable of emulating GC. Nintendo are excellent at building emulators.... they're wizards even
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@JaxonH Nintendo is excellent at building emulators?
I'd say they settle for adequate, most of the time at least they've come in below that a few times imo.
I can't think of any occasion where I'd have considered their emulation to be on par with the quality or functionality that third party emulators have allowed.
@JaxonH I was really surprised about that Scalebound cancellation, PlatG has a solid history, they aren't Slightly Mad or Playtonic.
Part of the problem though isn't the cancellations, it's the people telling other people that some things were never said. If sinalefa told you he was upset about Scalebound being canceled and then you told him - "Well they never actually said it was coming out, they just said they were working on it, they never promised to release it" - well sina would probably just LOL at you b/c we're buds, but some people take offense to - 1 - being told they are imaging things, and 2 - being told not to be upset.
It's the internet, people just want to vent and be joined by others venting, nobody wants to be told to "get over it" by complete strangers. You're not the "get over it" type, you're the "cheer up, everything is going to be all right" type but it's a matter of the readers frame of mind on the intent. Everybody's upset these days, and I think half of them don't even want to cheer up, they just want to bring everybody down w/ them. Misery loves company.
Well, ok... features wise that may be true. but I mean stability and quality wise.
I'm just looking at homebrew emulators for SNES on 3DS before Nintendo released their official emulator with VC games, and compared to their official one they suck... hard. What took the community years, Nintendo put to shame quick once they made their own. Even on Wii U, with DS emulators on homebrew... just not up to snuff compared to Nintendo's own.
Point being, anyone who doubts games could be emulated properly on a machine as powerful as Switch... needs to think again. Nintendo has more than proven their capabilities with emulators.
About using headsets, the article on melty.fr states that it's only the game audio that is transmitted. Chat still has to go through the smartphone app.
"Attention, ceci ne concerne que la partie audio type musique de la Switch, et non pas la partie chat-micro qui passe par l'application proposée sur Smartphone"
I understand the resource arguments, but not sure how this is going to work. Headphones connected to the Switch to hear the game audio and headphones on your smartphone to hear the chat? That can't be right. Is the game audio directed to the phone app, then? Even if you have the console playing the sound normally, any headphones for voice chat will surely muffle it. I hope this is somehow wrong. It's not as if I'll use it, but this just sounds crazy if there isn't a way to somehow divert the Switch audio to the Smartphone app.
Then there's that headset description containing the following info:
"Inline volume control unit for simultaneous chat and game sound adjustment."
I guess there could be some kind of innovative marvel, but unless you tell us, Nintendo...
Fair enough. It wasn't ever confirmed by Nintendo though. Never an official statement on it. I understand why people would think so, I did too! But off the cuff remarks before release by some random person who works at Nintendo... that's not a "promise". Neither is scoping some listing on one of their sites.
If you didn't hear it from Reggie or announced through their Twitter or some other official channel of communication, then it was never confirmed. Intended? Sure. BUT theres a reason it was never confirmed. And that reason is they didn't want to say for sure one way or the other.
So that shouldn't be taken as "Nintendo promised me, now they broke their promise" as if it was your wife promising some intimate confession. Know what I mean?
It's frustrating seeing people get so worked up over things that never even transpired. There were some statements and (as evidenced by you) details noted that implied it was a possibility, but again, no confirmation and definitely no promise means people shouldn't act so offended as if Nintendo "broke their promise". Come on
Right now it's celebration time. New console, powerful handheld, Zelda, Splatoon, new story DLC (yay!) and the excitement is real.
But if I don't see GameCube on Switch by the end of the generation, I'm going straight postal on their Twitter account. I'll end up getting banned for harassment, of that I have no doubt.
So you see... it has to happen. Cause if it doesn't, even I'm gonna rip em a new one 😀
Gamecube VC !
Gamecube VC !
Paper Mario The Thousand Years Door !
@JaxonH Sure but the SNES homebrew emulators on the 3DS have mostly been in development for barely a year, there are homebrew emulators on the DS! that can emulate the SNES as well as homebrew emulation of it on the 3DS, so give it a little more time and I have very little doubt it will easily pass Nintendo's own emulator.
I mean the PSP which is weaker then the 3DS can do decent N64 emulation, so with time third parties will probably do SNES extremely well.
I don't know what the state of homebrew WiiU emulators is, but certainly on the Wii their far far better then Nintendo's emulators.
I think Ninty's own emulators on WiiU are some of the weakest offerings they've had IMO. Their capable of far better then they put out.
Again, features wise I agree,
But name one emulator that runs better than Nintendo's own VC in terms of framerate and bugs... they don't exist. Their official VC releases dang near rival native run counterparts.
Thousand Year Door doesn't need analog triggers right?
Should have had analog triggers anyway, it's the only Nintendo innovation that isn't represented on Switch.
Ultimately I think it's a shame that it now looks like the GC won't be on there at launch, not just because of the retro gems we all are potientially missing out on. The reality is that these games along with nintendos back catalogue are already out there and on many PCs!
I think it's a shame that they aren't available legitimately on Nintendos new hardware from the get go, and not just the GC, but a good representation of their whole back catalogue. It should really be a couple of games from each home system to at launch, with a steady constant flow filling it up with new games for each old system every 2 weeks.
These games can be emulated for free, if we look at their entire retro catalogue from game cube back then these games are 15+ years old! Nintendo should be in control of their own back catalogue through their own VC. It sucks that so close to launch we're still in the dark as to how the switch will handle this.
Personally I'm not into emulation via PC and in 2017 it would be nice to play the retro Nintendo games I want on the switch using the controllers out of the box .
It's a shame and a missed opportunity as the classic nes mini highlights how many people feel about this. It wouldn't take much, Nintendo are missing a real easy win here say nes games £1.50, snes £2, n64 £4 and GC £7 and they would sell like hot cakes.
Nintendo could have not just generated some quick and easy revenue, this model would also have made up for and padded out the launch line up for those who wanted more. They could have also generated a new interest in old forgotten franchises and used online interest and download numbers as market research to gauge if its its worth dusting off old franchises for new games.
Don't get me wrong I'm not being negative regarding the switch as I think it looks awesome and I'm really getting behind it in a positive way, but I want Nintendo to succeed and be the presence they used to be. They are my favourite games company and shouldn't be thought of as always catching up or as being in the shadows of Sony and Microsoft
wish nintendo would release details about the virtual console asap,only pre ordered the switch hopin for a awesome v/console on the system..they should have told us all the info at the switch event
@ThomasBW84: I was thinking "yeah yeah, GC VC on the Switch" while I was reading your article, until I read the Reggie quote, which was a real headscratcher...
I was seriously considering doing that, but I decided that my Wii U's safety was more important than playing GC games, which my GameCube could already do with zero risk. Not to mention it's only about 5 inches to my U's side.
How was the total installation of Nintendon't and The Homebrew Channel?
Why not just play the actual game cube?! Forget virtual consoles. With those, we only have access to what they want us to play. When we play our own older consoles, we get to play what we WANT. Just a thought!
Not only should GameCube vc be a definite on the Switch but they hopefully have had talks with Sega on adding Dreamcast and bringing back Genesis and master system!! Grab hold of Konami and get the turbographx 16 going strong cause on Wii U it's only 5 games so far!! Hell even reach out to Atari and Midway(warner bros) and get hold of those countless classics? Has everybody forgotten that Square Enix owns the entire classic Taito library?? There's so many things Nintendo can do with this service they just don't seem to try hard enough!! Fingers crossed!!
Or you could use let the Gamecube Adapter from the Wii U work with the Switch Hub? Or make brand new Wavebird controllers in time for Smash Bros?
Come on, Nintendo. They haven't been working on GCN VC? What could "something along those lines" even be?
We need a Direct!
@CheezIt It is a good thought, plus you can use the original Wii. But some of the titles are a bit pricey ($50+ for 1000 Year Door) and it would be nice to have them on a console with HDMI support (in addition to having them on the go with Switch).
Wish they had just made the triggers analog to start, or at least put them in the pro controller, for the possibility of GC VC. While I'm glad the Switch has potential for custom joycons, at that point it'll just make things too confusing (the Wii assortment of accessories already can be confusing for the average consumer).
That all said, the main thing I want is Smash Melee on the go via Switch. If Nintendo just makes a remastered/ HD / or single port of that game to the Switch (just re-code it to make the shielding [when pressing a trigger] act as though player pressed a ~full shield, with slower decrease time) then I wouldn't ~care as much if the other GC games came out.
If they manage to get full GC VC, though, there are some good fighting games that could be ported (Soul Caliber 2, Bloody Roar, X-men Next Dimension)
@DarthFoxMcCloud it actually kind of makes sense to not announce a whole lot. Let the initial orders sell out to people who will die anyway, then when they start showing up on the she
Fed, give this sort of info for a second quick sales kicker to get to the holiday releases (read: Super Mario Odyssee).
This is the problem with Nintendo... They made these high tech controllers that let you feel how many ice cubes are in an imaginary glass, but don't have analog triggers, something even the Dreamcast had.
The uncertainty surrounding GCN titles on the Switch is immensely frustrating. GCN titles hold a lot of value with many individually costing literally 100s(USD). If Nintendo fails to provide, they have no ground to argue against emulators and piracy.
What's so important about a trophy system? Does your sense of accomplishment need a sense of accomplishment?
At this point I don't think having GameCube games for VC is going to wow many to get the Switch. Nintendo is best to get more games for Switch first before investing in getting GameCube on VC but hey like they say there are hope. I mean to make you guys all feel better at least Nintendo re-trademarked Eternal Darkness again for the second time now.
@pandarino For some reason, this is stuck in my head as a real possibility. More Phantasy Online 2 though.
Seriously, this kind of thing should be a known entity at this point. It's a joke that we still don't have a clue what's going on with the Virtual Console and the like.
The attitude Nintendo (and other game publishers) have with the VC and similar stores, highlighted most recently by Nintendo's apparent reluctance to create a GC VC, is precisely the reason why I've recently been spending a lot of money purchasing original hardware and flash carts for cart based systems, and Xeno chip/Swiss for GC. I have bought most VC games that are released, because I do really want to give Nintendo and game makers money to play their classic games. I really do. I want them to see there is a market for VCs with reasonably priced software. But when they act like they have for the past 5 years or more with paltry releases and crappy emulation, they deserve to lose this business in my opinion.
I will still buy future VC releases where I can to 'legitimise' what I'm doing, but I gave up ages ago to expect VCs to release quality but less common games like Shadowrun on the SNES, and so I took it into my own hands. I don't see spending £70 for a copy on eBay as much more legitimate, seeing as none of this will go to the game makers themselves.
Because last time I tried to take my GameCube on the bus it was really complicated and really annoyed the other passengers. Then I bought Fire Emblem and Chibi Robo and missed a mortgage payment.
@iGen takes 5 mins. Put that GameCube back in the box. Even the GameCube controller works flawlessly with the adapter
They can easily simulate analog triggers via the use of the Joy-Cons gyros when used in tandem with the ZL/ZR buttons. For example, press the ZR button, then adjust the pitch of the right Joy-Con to control the amount of analog you wish to apply. For the click buttons, those could be mapped to the stick click buttons. But overall there weren't too many GameCube games that even used those triggers to their potential, so it's not a huge issue.
Didn't Koizumi also confirm that Bluetooth headsets are indeed supported? That would also have been pretty useful information on their infographics.
@impurekind I find the silence on VC to be interesting. I'm thinking it's because it's not going to be quite the same thing as the VC we know. They've been selling the same games on the VC for years, but so much 3rd party support has withered with the VC that it's just Nintendo's games endlessly. It's felt like they've wanted to get rid of the Kong on their back that is the VC for a number of years now. It just seems like it's going to be something very different now other than "buy individual games over a slow rollout", but I can't guess yet what it's going to be.
@Shellcore when I heard they are considering online support for Vc games, it came to mind as an excellent title we could play a lot in between a big game release and another...
@electrolite77 man, that's brutal! Sorry to hear of those problems! I usually just play mine at home, hooked up to a giant box called a TV. lol
More Switch negativity, eh? First leaked weak specs, then BotW DLC and finally likely no GC VC. That's too bad!
(I see BotW DLC as a huge positive but it seems most take it as a huge negative)
@pandarino We can but dream.
Super Mario Sunshine wouldn't be terribly easy to pull off with digital triggers. I'd think several racing games would be in the same boat.
It'll pan out guys! Remember when they promised Gamecube VC on the WiiU! Yeah!
Well I guess Nintendo will just have to make a Gamecube Classic Edition then. Well maybe 5 of them.
Ha ha. That's definitely easier.
I really fancy some portable VC. Smaller screens are very kind to old games (though GC games through Prog Scan still look great).
Luigi Mansion would be a struggle too
Are you sure? There's zero risk of installing Nintendon't and USB GX? I've installed the Homebrew Channel multiple times before, but never on my Wii U. Keep in mind that it is a discontinued system, and if something goes wrong and I have to send it back to Nintendo, they'll send it back untouched saying it was "hacked". You also need to install the HBC on the Wii U through a game exploit, you can't do it directly in the system menu, though I suppose that might actually be a plus.
It really is that safe and direct?
Oh, and I'm playing everything on a CRT, so the GC games being projected through Wii U's HDMI is a no go for me, doesn't make a difference. Is it still recommendable?
Btw, my GC doesn't have a box. I'd like to get one though.
@electrolite77 I love playing mine on portable systems too. Especially this new Hyperkin SupaBoy S I got recently for playing Super Nintendo and game boy games on. Too bad they haven't made a system like that for gamecube and Nintendo 64 yet. It's possible though. The portable PlayStation systems can play small discs and since the game cube discs are small, that shouldn't be a hard system to emulate in a portable size!
Interesting and potentially exciting news. I won't get my hopes up, but I'd definitely put more faith in these guys than in Reggie's comments. He's become a corporate shill and a bit of a greasy snake oil pimp. Not a fan of his... or of NOA for the last few years.
But the notion that peripherals are open to customization and updates is pretty cool... although given current pricing, I fear more molesting of wallets.
That looks like a nice bit of kit. I used to have a PSP Go for portable emulation purposes though it wasn't great for SNES.
I'd love to see a portable that could play GCN games. They don't even have to play the physical discs, images will do. I'd love to give Nintendo money for such things but for now I guess it'll have to be Nintendont on my Wii U.
@iGen yea it's easy. Just read the guides. I didn't bother with USB gx on my Wii u just nintendont however my Wii has everything. All you need is a 2gb sd card and smash brawl. All you need is home brew channel and nintendont app
But is the installation straightforward and risk-free?
Is it super easy to totally wipe all of it off?
It's easy. I'm from uk so I had to use the smash brawl pal exploit. All you wanna do is put homebrew channel on and that's it. Nothing else and nothing complicated.
After you go to the nintendont site and get the app, download it and put it in your apps folder in your sd card.
Again. If your worried, I wouldn't do it as you still have your GameCube plugged in to the tv. I had to do it because my Wii which played my cube games went to my kids room and I only game on the main tv.
@iGen go through some of the YouTube tutorials and guides from gbatemp. Make sure you follow the guide for your region. Hope you the best
@iGen what I told you is easy but gx needs different files I didn't bother with as it needed different files but the interface is brilliant.
Alright, thanks for the info.
I'll consider doing it when the Switch releases. Until then, I'll stick with my trusty platinum lunchbox.
Thank you again.
They did say it was coming once: https://mynintendonews.com/2012/10/06/uk-magazine-reports-gamecube-games-coming-to-wii-u-virtual-console/
@iGen no probs. Lunchbox is king and nice to know you still play it.
Isn't that just a magazine report though rather than Nintendo promising anything?
@electrolite77 Yes I read it on another site though: “You know it’s interesting that you bring up backwards compatibility and Nintendo’s history usually goes back one system,” said McCollom. “The Wii was compatible with GameCube and Wii U will be compatible with Wii and that’s pretty traditional in launches from Nintendo. … the GameCube discs will not be compatible with Wii U, but a number of the games that were playable on GameCube can be downloaded from WiiWare.”
Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/wii-u-virtual-console-will-have-gamecube-games-says-nintendo/#ixzz4YnK4HfAL
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Edit: Whoa that site automatically sites itself as a source. Good cause I was too lazy to in the first place to be honest.
Ah that one. I suspect that guy got into a lot of trouble for that. Did anybody ever heard from him again? Is he cleaning the toilets with Cammie?
As i said before... Switch isn't a native gamecube machine. It needs to emulate it! it's not that easy if you don't have much power. No wonder that they don't have answers yet. You need a decent machine to emulate games! Nuff said
@BigWhoady it looks cool and why no.
@MisterKorman if u want to believe her go ahead; I will not.
It looks cool? So when you accomplish something, you need something to tell you that you accomplished it? That's a little narcissistic isn't it?
@BigWhoady omg dude stop reading into it. I like trophy system because its cool plain and simple. There is nothing wrong with Nintendo giving alternatives to gamers. If u don't like the achivement system thats on u and its cool but I do. So yes I want Nintendo to give me one.
@MisterKorman and that somehow justify all the bull she said? Got it.
@MisterKorman no it doesn't but if you can't back up ur akdjsjskak then don't "report it".
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