Project CARS 2 Creative Director Loves Nintendo Switch, But Don't Expect A Port

Just one after another huh.

Boringgg.....
Not interested at all by realistic car.
I prefer Cartoonish Mario Kart 8 with Wacky items, Insane racing, Anti Gravity and Cartoon characters.

Just give me a decent 90s Sega arcade racer... Like that one that was meant to be coming to the Wii U but then kinda disappeared. Can't remember the name of it.

Everyone loves the switch but love is not what it needs it needs games lololol. whats happening

As a player of racing sims, totally get where he is coming from. The Switch is a cool device but a racing sim that requires a lot of power to pull off and is focussed on the car fans with their expensive wheel peripherals just isn't going to take off on the Switch.

PS4 has GT, Xbox has Forza, but I've always seen Project Cars as a successor to the classic PC racing sims like rFactor and Simbin's games.

So racing sims, no, but an arcade racer would work (sadly a lot of the classic arcade racing games are past their heyday).

I think people are jumping the gun on the doom and gloom predictions. It's not good to keep hearing that certain games aren't coming to the platform, but it doesn't mean it won't have third party support. Yes, not being able to play pretty much every game that's released might turn people away who can only afford (or want) one console, but that's just the consequence of Nintendo doing what they're doing. It can still reach a large audience.

Also, the people saying things like "I don't care." Good, news like this won't dampen your excitement for the Switch, but it still doesn't mean it's not overall disappointing news. Variety is a good thing.

MK owns this little game, to say the least...

"Our publisher knows that we lied to Nintendo fans so they aren't wasting their money porting a game for people who will refuse to buy something we developed."

At least they're honest now.

They've caught a lot of hell for skipping the Wii U, but I completely understand why. They just really, REALLY suck at being completely honest in a timely manner. But they've joined what is becoming a chorus of voices letting us know that once again Nintendo has a system that - in spite of a relatively small number of cheerleaders producing games that don't need the horsepower - is just not powerful enough to handle even current gen level games. And that is a damn shame. Once again, I totally agree with the notion that the gameplay is the most important thing and that graphics don't necessarily make the game... but they are still extremely important. Not even necessarily the polygon count or raw number like that, but performance, frame rate, draw distance, handling complex physics engines and the like. And developers don't want to release ports or even native builds that compromise the game to the point that it effects the gameplay. Which we have affirmed is the most important thing. Additionally, why release a neutered version of the game on a system that has a small user base? The inferior version is already going to sell less, will probably be released last (for many reasons including putting the game's best foot forward for reviews) and won't offer the same value or gameplay experience.

I'm not saying the Switch is doomed, just that Nintendo is trapped in their own echo chamber and needs to be more aware of the world around them... or at least stop drinking their own koolaid. You can't keep released last gen systems and expect to sell enough to stay in the game or attract serious 3rd party support. (Support isn't a few launch window/year games/ports and then nothing, it's developing for the system throughout it's life, native builds instead of straight ports and games that take advantage pf the system's features)

"News: X Game isn't coming to Switch (at least for now)"
Read: (never)

I need an Excite Truck/Bots HD version or even a brand new game.. Man would that be freaking AWESOME!!!!!!!

All we seem to be seeing is story after story of "not coming to Switch".

I don't mind, genuinely, but the millions of other gamers interested most likely do. Nintendo needs to accept that power = support = games people want to buy...

As far as third-parties go, it feels like we are still living in the Wii U era. The days where the weaker system get all of the faithful if visually compromised big name ports died with the PS2. The Switch could sell gangbusters and i still don't think it'll happen.

It's sad really since Nintendo has seemingly gone out of their way to make it far easier to port to Switch but in-truth, AAA third-party devs don't need Nintendo to sell product, they have PS4. XB1 and PC for that, and they don't see the financial gain in even trying to port to Switch, esp. when to start with, the user base is going to be relatively tiny. Launching systems mid-gen is going to be an uphill struggle for anyone, and moreso with Nintendo in relation to securing third-party support.

Haha, I've learned better than to expect anything at all from this guy in the first place!

@Link118 The problem is, aside from indie games, the Switch really isn't getting much third party support of any kind. Any indie games don't sell a system, to anyone.

@Tsusasi Your whole point is MOOT.. How the hell is the remastered version of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim coming out? It's more about the "investment of time" See Nintendo trick bagged themselves with the Wii U and developers now just think they are offering the same terrible documentation and tools.. Developers are NOT aware they fixed nearly ALL of their previous issues, including CPU power and enough GPU grunt to run pretty much ANY current AAA game..

@FragRed NOT TRUE!!!!!! Over 80 developers and 100 games in development.. The issue is Nintendo didn't deliver kits to everyone so you will start seeing more 3rd party AAA games around Nov/Dec of this year. Stop posting FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!!

Just an observation: being relatively new to Nintendo gaming i find it interesting that there are so little interest for simulation games among nintendo fans.

@Link118
Um... not everyone have same interest about certain titles. Maybe some people like this game, but the other don't like. Maybe the other players looking for different titles for Switch, but not this title. The important things for game is first impression. If first impression failed to attract, probably people will never care anymore.

Screw them. That is all

@FragRed Agreed, but they help for people who do own the system. And E3 hasn't happened yet. Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting For Honor, Injustice 2, and CoD to be announced for the system, but if the developers who worked on games for the 3DS also make games for the Switch, support will be there. Now, will they be AAA games? I don't know, but let's actually get passed E3 before we all shake our heads in disappointment.

@FragRed Because the Switch is based on the Tegra X1 and not the New X2. That is the problem it won't get any serious 3rd party support. Sad really.

Games like Project Cars are just graphically very demanding and was already pushing the PS4 to it's limits.

The Switch doesn't even come close to PS4 performance wise.
I really had expected that it would at least match the performance of the XBOne and PS4. /sigh

@Smug43 Like what games?

We know no AAA 3rd-party titles are coming to the Switch.

Why the need to post a story highlighting every single game which the Switch is too weak to play?

Of course everyone in the comments is gonna hate on this game now that it's been confirmed to not be coming to the Switch.

@FGPackers the two games aren't really comparable. They are different types of racer that offer a different experience from one another. It would be great if we could have both games but it seems Nintendo opted not to make a device capable of running modern games.

I think Nintendo really dropped the ball here. AAA third party support is going to be very slim on the Switch.

Really it's the Project Cars guys that are making us all doom and gloom? Yeah losing FFVX is disappointing, but that is more the fault of Square's by designing an engine like Luminous which is already developer unfriendly. I mean they are bringing Dragon Quest XI over (which runes on UE4) already and we have support from other third parties.

The Project Cars guys not bringing the sequel to the Switch is more them covering costs because they know they burned Wii U owners who will be the first of the Switch adopters. It may come in time, but it is not a sign of things to come.

I am officially ready to be finished with the "This game isn't coming to Switch" articles. We don't need to know what won't be coming. We need to know what will. We can expect the things not announced to not come, no post about it needed. There are enough negative sites online about Nintendo being doomed.

@Jeronan I was expecting to be somewhat near Xbox One levels of power, but seeing it as a hybrid I knew it wouldn't match in power.

Give me vc of all the Nintendo history on the switch and I'm sold

I remember TOCA Touring Car Championship on PS1 which looked quite impressive for that time. It had so many cars on the tracks and the gameplay was great.

And nowadays, with machines so much stronger and faster, we can't get a game like Project Cars on a new console. Weird.

@Anti-Matter I said that. I said if you don't care about this game that's fine, this news isn't bad news for you personally, but it's still disappointing news that a game won't be on the platform for people to even have the chance of playing.

That rage post the Project Cars guy did still hangs in the air questioning the legitimacy of how much the CARS people cares about us Nintendo fans...................and yeah. I think a proper apology is in order. Some justification that what happened in the past should not be replicated again because the Internet does not forget easily.

If I had a history of a port I promised and then was forced to quit, I would avoid making more promises, too. The rest is for time to tell. Realistic racing sims are all about as much realism as possible and the devs want all the hardware juice they can get for them, but even PSP got a Gran Turismo game - and Vita would have likely got one as well if proprietary storage hadn't been a ball and chain on its sale legs in the west.

What really is a different question is what exactly goes into Project CARS 2 - if they're aiming for some kind of feature that would allow to make omelette on one's PS4 Pro, then the margin of compromise would indeed be too big to make plans. You never know with these simulators. XD

@Link118 I agree, E3 will be the true telling point of what games will be coming to the Switch. They don't need to be all the big triple A titles but they need to be retail games because that's what people see when they're looking for consoles, not the growing number of download games. That's my main concern.

@Tsusasi
That's the reason why I never like ps4 & xbox1. Their perfection of ultra hd graphics just killing my impressions and my interest. The more realistic their looking, the more I felt unimpressed. Tainted by tons of adult games, their machines just completely destroying my interest, instant hate for both of them. Forget both of them, forget those nefarious companies, say hello to Nintendo with their mesmerising Cartoonish and Creative games as usual.

@Smug43 Prove it. Give me one source that proves devs aren't aware that Nintendo has fixed Wii U's issues. Nintendo has shown and explained Switch to developers, which is why we've had so many praise the system.

The problem is that the Switch is just too weak to handle the games that these devs want to put out. Even if they like the system, why should they have to compromise their artistic vision just to run on the Switch?

@Smug43 Your response makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is a freakin' 6 year old game. 6 years, not counting when development began. So it's remastered. So? It was a last gen game. Of course it's remastered. As far as developers not knowing. You haven't got a clue how things works, do you? Nintendo began courting 3rd parties a VERY long time ago... and a big part of that was evangelizing the news that developers don't have to rely on Nintendo toolkits anymore. And they get a complete tour of the system and it's architecture. What... do you think developers rely of site's like this to get their information of system specs?

Good lord. If you think my comments are 'mute' and the barriers facing the Switch aren't real, get ready to be disappointed.

@FragRed They could have based it on the new Pascal architecture - Tegra X2 and it would have surpassed the XBOne in power even when docked.

If time was an issue, I wouldn't have mind waiting 6-8 months longer. They could have then released the Switch before Christmas. More powerful (and thus futureproof) console and much stronger game line-up with Zelda, Mario Kart 8, Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey .

If the Switch was based on X2, then good Third party support would have been secured, since porting would have been dead easy due to the Switch matching in power with XBone and PS4.

That's why I am so dissapointed that Nintendo yet again dropped the ball and lost it's touch on status of current day market.

The switch has no analogue triggers. Nintendo sent a wrong message out to racing game fans and developers.

@KirbyTheVampire
Um... my comment about my disinterest about this game because I never like realistic Racing games without items to smack onto other opponents. I don't like boring racing games like Initial D ( Though I like Eurobeat songs from Initial D, not the game), Midnight Tunes and any realistic racing games because I prefer Cartoonish looking rather Realistic looking. So, I will never interested by upcoming racing games if the formula doesn't like Mario Kart. Period.

Wait...Project Cars has a sequel??

Lol here we go again.. Last time I looked the other day PSVITA has 198 games releasing for it in 2017 and counting and that machine people consider it dead. It must be noted that all 198 games are 3rd party. SwitchTwich will at least get some great games from Ninty plus some of there shovelware like 1-2 Twitch

I believed them when they said PCars was 100% coming to the Wii U.
I agree with those that say E3 is what will make or break the Switch over the coming year.

Whatever games they show at E3 must appeal to more than their diehard fans. This is what so many fans don't understand and only want games that appeal to themselves and a few other people. Recipe for disaster that strategy.

@emperor_ing it's definitely no successor to those games,miles away from Assetto,rf2 and AMS in terms of realism.

How can I put it... remember that nasty verb made of four words, one of which is an F and the others are letters featured in the word "cuckoo"? Exactly, that one verb.
Now imagine the word "verb" is that verb. Still with me?
Okay.

Verb these devs.

@Anti-Matter The vast majority of games on PlayStation and Xbox come from 3rd parties. It's not their fault that they tend to make games that are graphically impressive and/or are adult games. Nintendo charging top dollar for a chunk of plastic that is basically an HDMI cable, AKA the dock, is far more nefarious than Sony and MS allowing 3rd party devs to put adult games with good graphics on their systems, among other things.

Not that Sony and MS don't do questionable business practices, but Nintendo doesn't exactly have it's hands clean either. And questionable business practices are truly nefarious, not adult games.

@FragRed I understand and I think you're right. I hope games that aren't graphically intensive like Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite will come to the Switch. I would love to bring that on the go. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your view), at the moment the AAA games that will be selling the system at least for this year will be Nintendo games and give them some credit, unlike the Wii U, there is actual support from them. I remember Sony getting a lot of flack the first year or so from fans complaining that there really was no first party support for the PS4. IMO Nintendo has it covered for this year.

@Anti-Matter See, this is the problem. Nintendo fans have blinders on. It not about one or the other, it's about having the resources and muscle to deliver both. I've seen a few comments so far that are a lot like yours. 'I like' 'I want' 'this is how games show be/look play'.

Guess what. Your's isn't the only freakin' opinion and there are MANY gamers AND Nintendo fans that love the first party games, but are also tired of watching great games that just happened to look more 'realistic' passing them by. And they may not have the luxury of owning more than one system. Your argument is just as ridiculous as those who claim Nintendo's games suck because they are cartoonish or kiddy games - bashing them or avoiding them because of the aesthetic. Ridiculous. Skyrim is amazing! Just ask those who worked on Breath of the Wild; it was an inspiration for them while creating the open world and in particular the manner which they build it.

It's sad that people can't separate personal preference and what it takes in this generation of gaming to be a successful system that attracts talent from a wide variety of developers. Developers who have finite resources.

You can have a beast of a processor and leave it up to the developers how to use it. They are not mutually exclusive notions. But building the better, more powerful architecture can only make things easier on those companies developing for more than one system.

@Tsusasi 100%. I have no problem with the Switch because of the nature of the system, but you're right. Nintendo has always kind of annoyed me when they say systems and games shouldn't be about raw power, which they're right, but willingly limiting the hardware for their system (like Wii U), to me anyway, seemed like they were limiting their own developers by not giving them the most powerful tech they can work with.

i've been having a lot of wii u flashbacks the last couple of days...

Story repeats. But again. Who expect Switch to handle even GTA 5 level of games. I bet Switch could not run event PS3 version.
On the other side Switch utilize ARM processor. Nintendo DS has ARM processors too, making system easy to develop for. And DS has ton of games.
Switch has a great potential but not with AAA games from 3rd parties. Only "special builds".

"Oh the Switch looks cool,we love it! But WE'RE not gonna support it!", said nearly every 3rd party developer.

I usually make a habit of saying x game was never going to the switch so I'm not bothered. I never played project cars, I'm not bothered.

But I am bothered by a sentence. They love the Switch, but can't make a game for it. Why can't they make a game? Is it difficult to program for? To expensive? Too weak? And if those are problems, what exactly is it that these devs love?

I'm past the point of debating about the games. Why do so many in the industry seem to be enamored with a machine that they have no intention of developing for?

If there's going to be an article for every game that the Switch can't handle, then these writers won't have time to do anything else.

My problem isn't about specific games that are going to skip the Switch. My question is what does the Switch have to offer instead? Is a port of a 3 year old MK8 Nintendo's answer?

By the time Developers decide to make something for Switch, it will be a couple years down the road before we see it.

I'm excited about Zelda, but I know my Switch will start collecting dust until Mario comes out. There are just too many promising games coming out for the other systems.

Tell us something we don't know

Yeah, the dev was a jerk about the last "port", getting hopes up and screwing us over to those who were suckered into funding it.

I've preordered the Switch. I skipped Wii U as I thought I'd see how it went before I dived in. Missed out on some good first party games, but ultimately I'm glad I did. The Switch looks great and am interested in catching up with games I missed out on regarding the ports of Mario Kart and Splatoon 2 (sorry, not buying it being a fully fledged sequel). However, constant "X game isn't coming to Switch" articles are starting to make me feel like I did with the Wii U... I believe a couple of other commenters have already stated that these types of articles don't help, and I agree. For the potential userbase to be positive, we need a news source and community hub that can also be positive. What games are coming? What about the UI/Trophies etc... I am going to Birmingham this weekend for a hands on session with the Switch. I want to look forward to it, but it just doesn't feel right at the moment.

@Tsusasi your own quote!!
"in spite of a relatively small number of cheerleaders producing games that don't need the horsepower - is just not powerful enough to handle even current gen level games."

Elder Scrolls IS a current gen game. It relies on all new tech from lighting to texture resolution and a LOT more.. A majority of the engine is revamped for this generation.. How is Steep, Skylanders, DQ games, Disgae 5 and some others coming out which are ALL current gen games.. You just contradicted yourself.. Now stop trying to argue with me because you will lose every time.

@Mogster I don't need to because it's IMPOSSIBLE for Nintendo to have visited EVERY developer in the world to show what it can do.. They didn't even get dev kits out in time!! This is why you are NOT seeing AAA ports right now..

@Shellcore
I think Nintendo needs to break with their policy of not talking about games too early. Nintendo titles are going to carry this system, so let's hear their plan into next year. They don't want to disappoint gamers when games are delayed...but that happens every time anyway.

@Tsusasi
Okay, I will explain what I am looking for.
I am looking for :
1. Appropriate games. Rated Everyone, Everyone 10+ and Teen. Adult games are strictly prohibited in my system.
2. Cartoonish games oriented. Maybe a bit realistic style but I prefer cartoonish than realistic.
3. Cute, Colorful, Kiddie, Whimsical, Hillarious games. I am NOT looking for dark, evil, adult looking games. I will ban completely.
4. 1st party & 3rd party. I like Nintendo games but to tell the truth, I am also like some 3rd party games. But... the 3rd party games that I am looking for mostly... different by majority male gamers. I have different taste of gaming so don't be surprised if my choices of 3rd party games mostly kiddie like Cooking Mama or not so famous titles.
5. I am looking for games that 99% developed by Japanese developers than Western developers. I have almost zero interest with games developed by Western developers except The Sims series that the only Western games that completely wins my heart. So, whatever Western games released on market, will never attract me if doesn't have same charming like Japanese games. I'm very pickier about this.
Well, that's all my long explanation. Sorry to make you upset.
I have very different criteria for my games.

Not going to sit here and argue with people who continue to spout fake news and lies about the Switch.. Will be serving TONS of crow come this fall and beyond.. Believe what you want, I already heard it from developers and Nintendo there will be ports.. Not saying all.. in fact it will be selective, however saying NONE are coming is so dumb founding I can't even begin to waste my time..

@Anti-Matter I'm sure you will get TONS of this kind of style game and it's up to you what type of rated games you play. There will be plenty of styled games for everyone from children to adults.. It's going to be a GREAT system with GREAT content.

here we go again...

At the end, I would be happy with Nintendo and Japanese games, like Disgaea or a Tales game

Maybe not a port but what about a switch version of one of their upcoming games? Basically shares assets with the other versions but has lower quality graphics to make all versions run the same

@Anti-Matter
You win the internet for being kind, sweet, non-confrontational and sticking to your own opinions in the face of overwhelming hostility. Bravo!

So, if Slightly Mad told us for a year that Project Cars was absolutely definitely coming to WiiU, that progress was going extremely well on the game, and that the WiiU was in fact their primary platform based on user feedback, and that actually meant "actually we never even started development and it's not going to happen." Does their above statement mean that the Switch version of Project cars is already gold, boxed, and ready to ship?

I'm not the least bit interested in playing a racing game called CARS. It's nothing but a mere tech demo.

@Tsusasi <--- this guy gets it.

@Rumncoke25 because the Switch is a cool concept. And truly, it is. Anyone can see that, even third part devs. It just doesn't have the necessary power for them to port games without compromising their artistic vision.

@joealejos FANTASTIC assessment. Just, outstanding all around. Irrefutable, I'd say.

Until Nintendo stops making hardware for only the things they want to do internally and actually consider other developers outside of Kyoto, they will continue to have these issues they've had the last decade.

@Smug43 No... no it is not. It was released on the 360 and PS3. Remastered or not, it's essence is last gen... which the Wii U was more powerful than by a hair, so the Switch should handle it easily, even with a few more of the PC bells and whistles turned on. That doesn't mean the Switch is on par with current systems or can handle 1:1 ports.

Please Stahp.

Great positive News guys... devs Nicalis have stated they have loads of games lined up for switch

Okies I'll be a duck and say it lol... Why don't Devs make games not so graphicly impressive? Why has it it to be so realistic and all? Why not make it less about graphical capability and more on gameplay with way more stuff in it and less to go wrong? Lol

Port Cruisin Blast, Nintendo!

@Smug43 a) it's not impossible. Nintendo employs thousands of people worldwide. b) why would they visit developers? Nintendo invited devs to behind closed door events. Also conference calls are a thing.

The only one who is spreading fake news is you, DT.

@Link118 Exactly. Thank you. Limiting options and developers helps no one. They should take their own Switch meds and flip the script. Yes - maybe their design philosophy is inspired... but just think of where their own IP would be right now if they didn't go the withered tech route. Their are many examples from interviews or even Miyamoto himself lamenting being held up by Nintendo's own tech. He and other Nintendo developers have held back implementing gameplay elements and mechanics because they couldn't pull them off on the systems they were developing for.

A $400 Switch - as capable or more than PS4 or XBOXONE - with all of the wonderful, fun (if inherently gimmicky) Switch and Joy-Con tech would be an unstoppable juggernaut in my eyes.

@NintyNate specs and horsepower don't only effect graphics. They also effect gameplay. That's why you see huge framerate dips in games like Hyrule Warriors Legends; the console just isn't capable of processing the amount of on screen action.

Bottom line is.....you upset the Nintendo fans when you lied about a Wii u version, so we don't want your games on the switch!

@Lord
Speak for yourself not others mate. I for one would have liked this on switch

@Anti-Matter And that's great... but do you realize how incredibly specific and personal your list is? Nintendo aren't your personal developers. Also, many Japanese developers are producing fewer games overall and trying to find their voice and 'Nihon-ness' in 2017 while remaining relevant to the MUCH more robust western game market, the Japanese market is in a severe slump especially where it relates to console specific gaming, the arcades that normally helped fill in the gap between more substantial games with fun ports are also dying, the gaming public demographic continues to diversify and skew older... and your wish list is what you thing Nintendo should concentrate on? What you thing will make them successful?

Oh dear...

Well forgetting all of that for a moment... we need a developer to step up and build a realistic racing car game for the Switch. If you can build games as good as Gran Turismo and Forza on PS3 and X360, no one can tell me that the Switch is not capable of having an amazing racing sim! Get to grips with the machine, use the obvious power that it has and you can build an amazing game! It's a gap in the games being built for the machine so someone should see the lightbulb blinking above their head(s) and go for it! So what if it's not a PS4!! It's more than good enough to do a game of this type.. hell even Android has these types of games that are wildly better than anything that was on previous Nintendo machines (Need for Speed on Wii U possibly excepted)... To be honest it pisses me off that Nintendo don't try and plug these kinds of gaps by working/partnering with someone also.. they don't have to do it, but let someone else do it!

I'd love to have SOME kind of racing sim on Switch at some point, but not this one. While I'm a big Gran Turismo fan I got Project CARS on PS4 and I just don't like it. Hopefully one brave developer will fill this niche proper for Nintendo fans someday, though I won't hold my breath. Still can't wait to see what other racers we'll see on Switch.

@Tsusasi I was just thinking about that myself. If they could've made the Switch as powerful as the PS4 and just charge $400 I really think that would've been great. Yes, it would be more expensive than the PS4 and Xbox One, but the idea of taking games like RE 7, GTA 5, Injustice 2, etc. on the go could've tempted a lot of people. The question would be if they could make sure the system would stay cool from all that power lol

But I don't think it would've been a flawless idea. They still need to prove their online is on par with at least PSN among other things, but single player games would be an exciting prospect to pick up for the Switch just for the portability factor. I believe Nintendo just wanted to have a low price point to start and that influenced their decision on the tech. Nintendo has always said they like to be at a price range that's accessible to a lot of people.

Now, if people agree with them that $300 is accessible is another story and varies from person to person.

@Mogster Thanks for knowing things.

Couldn't care less about these idiots

@NintySnesMan looks like you will have to get another console as it got no chance of being on a Nintendo

@Tsusasi
Sorry, but I will never got interested with Western games whatsoever reasons. I have ever watched some appropriate Western games trailers and guess what ? Almost None of them can impressed me, mostly just made me bored before 30 seconds and some of them just instant Meh before 5 seconds. And I will not buy games that not including in my criteria.

@WOLF1313 that was there plan with the Wii u...show us everything. But it failed badly because what actually happened was every year we would say where is this game you showed us. And in reality it was years away!

"There's no conspiracy here"
"The Wii U is more than capable of providing the core Project CARS experience."
"All you need to know is that when you get the game, it’ll look and feel amazing and you’ll want to show it off to your friends."
"Honestly, unless we really cut the looks back I think we're looking to Nintendo's next console."
"I suppose if they don't announce something at E3 or soon after we will have a go at it."

Yea please let's not tease Nintendo fans this time around! If it isn't official don't talk about it!! Thx

@Smug43 i manage to run Skyrim:RE on my old GTX 570, for context i bought that card in 2011. Skyrim isnt really a resource hog of a game so you cant use it to justify the switchs power,

(im not saying its weak, im just saying that Skyrim is not an indicator of capability)

@Lord
I already have many game machines. Infact my favourite is Sega Saturn. I always buy latest machines but will hold back on SwitchTwich to see how things go. I am not in a hurry

If they can port Call of Duty from 360 to the original Wii, if they can put Fire Emblem Warriors, a Switch game, on 3DS, if they can put Injustice from PS4 onto the Vita, if PC releases have low settings that dip around 7th gen level, if Dragon Quest XI, a PS4 game, can be ported to Switch (heck even 3DS)...

Then it's very possible.

However, it would require some work downscaling and optimizing. It would be better to say they just don't want to.

That said, there's gonna be a long list of games that don't come to Switch. In fact, I don't know why every single game not coming is news. It makes the system seem like it's lacking when you take the focus off what it has and what it will offer, and place it solely on what it doesn't have and what it doesn't offer.

It is disappointing to see, but long ago I accepted that Western developers just aren't going to support Nintendo. I think they'll get a handful of big games, but nothing more. It's gonna be like 3DS... tons of 1st party, and support from select developers. But 3DS has an awesome library, so it follows Switch will too. Even more so given how many big games Nintendo has penned for first 9 months (way more than 3DS or Wii U had).

So ya, it'll be great, it's just gonna be different. You set Switch side by side with the other consoles, it's gonna show a completely different group of games. The ones they do share in common will be select games that sell to the Nintendo audience, such as the ones we've seen announced.

Pity. Add them to a long list of developers that can do without my money.

@Anti-Matter thats not whats his saying, your not actually responding to @Tsusasi comments.

Ooo boy, time to read through these comments again~
Its the Wii U all over again.

Can't lie; Project CARS 2 would've pushed Switch from "probably buy soon" to "must buy now." Not that I'm in love with the series, but it'd be just enough games coming out that I actually want and would pay full price for. Too bad, I guess!

@JaxonH That's how I look at it too. It's not a matter of can they, it's a matter of do they want to, and the answer is no.

Makes me think of what platinum said about scalebound and how they make the game for the nes is if they got paid for it...or something like that.

@mosaical_spirit why can't Nintendo be that developer that creates a realistic racing sim. Nothing is stopping Nintendo do this but they won't. They should have hired the drive club developers once they were let go by Sony.

Also remember the switch has no analogue triggers. That's a problem for realistic racing sims.

@mosaical_spirit Agreed. I get the feeling that if one developer would make a solid racing sim for Switch and not get hung up over graphics, way over half will swear by it and tell people it's better than Project Cars ever thought about being. Just give me a Camaro to drive in it and I'm good! 😛

@Kalmaro
Ya. I do think Nintendo can gain a piece of the western pie, but it's not gonna happen overnight. It's been 2 decades of those games not being on Nintendo... it'll take several generations, gaining a few more dozen Western games each gen, and even then it'll cap out at around 15-20% of what's on other consoles.

It's largely up to fans. If fans don't buy the western 3rd party games that do come, like Skyrim and NBA2K and FIFA 18 and Beyond Good & Evil 2, they'll eventually die off entirely on Nintendo platforms. If fans do buy those games, we'll slowly see more come year over year. But ya it won't happen overnight, it'll take a decade or two.

It's up to fans. If those games mentioned above don't sell, it makes every single complaint irrelevant. Because it proves the market demand for those games on Nintendo is virtually non-existent. Theres demand there, but its different. A desire for other types of games. The only demand I see coming is from multiconsole gamers who want those games on the go.

Why do I get the impression that the fact that @damo is trolling us is going RIGHT over the heads of almost everybody? This is Project Cars we're talking about. Slightly Mad, the studio that was the sole source of news coverage during the infamous post-launch drought of WiiU, where every week we'd hear more of Slightly Mad gloating about how amazing the WiiU was and how awesome Project Cars was going to be on it. And after years basically admitted they never even started the project.

Any mention of Slightly Mad and Project Cars in relation to Nintendo is sheer flat humor, not a cause for a flame war. It's like a headline saying "Sega: We're have nothing to announce with Gearbox at this time." after the Aliens Colonial Marines disaster.

@JaxonH All well said, couldn't agree more.

@NintyNate Because unfortunately average consumers are not terribly discerning. They often don't know what really makes the difference between quality and not, so they rely on others to tell them what they're supposed to like. Beyond that, they rely entirely on appearances to tell them the approximate quality of a product.

I love watching food places...places that spend a fortune on the building, and atmosphere, and they decorate the food nicely ornate. It's expensive. The food is low quality, barely above supermarket, and most of it is clearly pre-prepared/frozen mass manufacture food. But the customers will praise how fantastic it is to no end. They have no idea how to tell the difference between high quality and mass market food. They allow the presentation of the food and the building to tell them they're supposed to think it's fantastic and worth the high ticket price. Meanwhile the dive down the street sells food far better, freshly made, and 30% cheaper. People buy status through image.

Gaming is the same. Take a non-gamer who sees a game. What makes a good game? What's the difference between a bad, good, and great game? They don't know. But they DO know the one looks so real! It's like a movie! that must be the best one! Said consumer then enjoys the game and becomes a gamer over years. Forever more what they know is "this one has graphics even better than the last one! Higher resolution, 20% more shaders, this one is so superior to the old one!"

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Immersion can be an important factor, but photo-realism isn't the only path to immersion. I can picture in perfect photo detail every aspect of Frank Herbert's worlds....and black words on a white page is all I had to go on to see it.

@JaxonH I agree

@Mogster

Yeah I know but lessen how it looks and focus more on making sure it's smooth as possible

@Link118 If people really care to game with raw power, consoles are a joke in general. Like my consoles don't even get considered when it comes to 99% PC games that are multi system. I'm getting tired of people whining about power when a PC eclipse it so much.

@NEStalgia indeed it's just stupid, it shows so many people have no idea what makes a great game

I was never a fan of realistic racing. Played games like that on ps4 and Xbone. After a few minutes i was really bored and started playing Killer instinct on xbone lol.

Nintendo needa to bring more games like Fzero (to a next level) mario kart, arcade style racing stuff like that. Even the Sonic (sega) racing games i like alot. Those are racing games i really enjoy.

For fighting games i like games like injustice for ps4, killer instinct for xbox one, the new mortal kombat, street fighter, also the 2d fighters.
Tekken is also a game i enjoy.
I would love to see a game like Virtua fighter from sega, but nothing beats smashbros, that game is legendary.
What i would love to see is a game in the l ikes of Soul calibur/tekken, with Nintendo characters (Link/zelda, fire emblem, f_zero, xenoblade, mario, kid icarus, metroid and more, etc.

So yeah thats whatbi really want lol.

@mosaical_spirit Heh, if they can't do it. Let nintendo do it!

This has absolutely no effect on my decision to buy the system. I have enough local friends who own the first Project CARS game and say that it's gameplay is poor. Yes, the graphics are good, but it's not close to the best racing games on the market as far as controls and gameplay go. So I wouldn't buy this game even if it were coming to the Switch.....which I'm not sure I'm buying either.

Disappointing...I thought we'd have 200 comments by now

@Arehexes Yup, agree 100%. I have a PC myself and I love it. Not just for the power, but the customization of the platform and the freedom it lets you have. But yeah, people ask me a lot which console is the most powerful or say they only care about the graphics. Some friends I know said this to me and I heard this a lot from customers when I worked at a game store. I always tell them if you care so much about power, get a PC. It can't be beat.

@Aslanmagic Maybe the conversation in the comments isn't spicy enough lol

Let me just add that Nintendo's own 1st party games make it difficult for 3rd party games to survive when they actually do come out for a Nintendo System. I personally feel like there's too many games on the market. I remember when Rayman came out on the Wii U and I read great stuff about it, but had to choose between that and 3D World. I chose 3D World with no regrets and later picked up Rayman too; but I had to wait. I've done stuff like this many time before too. I think the only exception is the Monster Hunter Series of games. I chose those games over Nintendo games many times.

@Link118 Maybe add some politics to the conversation and we might get there.

Funny how every single 3rd party developer loves Switch but no one wants to port their games.

@Mogster
When you say it, it makes sense. In my mind however....

It is like being in a relationship. And your partner spouts your praises. You're so attractive, you're so funny, you're a great person. But if they never touch you, and never laugh at your jokes, and don't really spend time with you, doesn't it start to ring hollow?

It just feels like lip service. I know the system isn't out, I know there will be very little before E3 that is announced. It would just be nice to have someone do more than give lip service. There's a saying" to damn me with faint praises". Small compliments with no real action can be seen as a slight.

I think I'll pass on Unoptimized Tire Simulator 2017 anyway. But hey, we get Unoptimized Tire Simulator 2015 for free on XBox Games with gold in a few days. The less money they directly get out of me the better

Look at post number 37. The 'tainted by adult gamers bit'

Is anti-matter saying he'd rather play with children? How old is this guy seriously?

Wow, the NX really is Wii U 2.0

If the Nintendo haters had their own branded canned food then articles like these would be on the pallet all day for them to feast on. I can hear them now. "The Switch is weak!" "The Switch can't even run a game with realistic looking cars in it!" "Nintendoom!" "March 3rd is the new April fools!"

The list keeps growing of more 3rd parties with nothing to offer accept kind words and Hallmark gestures, but no games in the pipeline. Really, who needs a 3rd console to port to? The port trend is outdated imo. Creativity is lacking big time from 3rd parties.

I'm going to enjoy the Switch anyway.

@TheMONADO36
Hello, sorry for bothering you.
Okay, I will answer your curiosity.
...
I am 32 years old male gamer.
I am a Nintendo gamer right now.
I am from Indonesia.
I am a Librarian, Substitute teacher and Art teacher for Primary school.
I like Chibi, Cute & Kiddie stuffs, just like my avatar that I created by myself because I like to draw.
I like to play with everyone, it doesn't matter kids or adult. But I prefer playing with younger people than me because I can communicate better than people older than me.
I hate all adult games. It just completely evil and dangerous for me.
I prefer "Quiet and Peaceful" games like Animal Crossing New Leaf / Nintendogs, a little bit action from Street Fighter / Mario Kart 8, Rhythmic games like DDR / Para Para Paradise / MaiMai, Quirky games like 1 2 Switch / Tomodachi Life, Girlie games like Cooking Mama / Super Princess Peach NDS/ Style Savvy Fashion Forward ( My first 100% Girlie games ever).

Well, I think that's my self explanation.
Sorry if you might dismay & upset with my explanations.

At least their not lying this time.

Ummmmm we don't need this mk8 is 100 times better

@BlueKnight07 again I ask. Why can't Nintendo be that one developer to create a realistic driving sim?

People seem to think that Nintendo are just being lazy or stupid because the Switch doesn't match the PS4/Xbone's power. I don't think these people seem to realize that a portable device with that kind of power would: a) cost way more than anyone in their right mind would pay for a video game console; and b) would kill the battery even faster than it already does, forcing them to put in an even bigger/more expensive battery, effectively driving the price even higher. If you want powerful, current-gen portable gaming and don't mind shelling out a ridiculous amount of money: buy yourself a gaming laptop.

And I don't understand why this is news anyway, developers are clearly going to take a "wait-and-see" approach with the Switch because the Wii U did so poorly. We've already heard from developers that the Switch is much easier to make/port games for (in fact, I vaguely remember some saying it's the easiest out of the 3) so once everyone has a better idea of the install base and demographic of the Switch, I'm sure the 3rd party support will come. In what sort of capacity, well, we'll just have to wait and see.

@JKRiki While I agree, that's going to be a much shorter list of announcements if things keep up the way they are. Fingers crossed for some big E3 announcements...

@YeshaYahu5417
I'm not going to buy late inferior ports so I don't need them.
But many consider Nintendo's pipeline to be sparse. Some are happy with it..which is fine. But many are concerned based on Nintendo's past.
Nintendo hasn't exactly been leading creativity lately. Smash Bros WiiU was an HD deluxe version of the Wii game. Super Mario Bros U was more of the same. IMO, MK8 was the only game to take things to the next level. I would say Nintendo is behind many 3rd parties in creativity (when I used to see them as leaders).

Project Cars? No thanks.

Who cares..They screwed Nintendo fans the first time ..Never again..I refuse to ever buy any games from their company..Ever!

I'd rather Nintendo hired a third party to make an exclusive driving sim. Built from the ground up specifically for the Switch. Tired of shoddy ports with lack of effort from developers.

Okay then my money goes to Fast RMX. Maybe in 10 years you'll realize why you are bankrupt and why we know jack nothing about you.

@kobashi100 i remember playing driving sims with right analogue for accelerator/brake, and using shoulder buttons for gear changing.
I think game developers could quite easily accommodate this, making anologue triggers not necessary for driving sims

I really want a racing game on the console that is not a sci-fi rip off of F-Zero. Something along the same lines as Need for Speed or Forza. I might get fast RMX because why not... :/

@Anti-Matter lol.

@WOLF1313 Opinions are great! I still think Nintendo leads in creativity and fun factor over the others. Although obviously the U was overlooked in all areas and expressions of concerns is in abundance. Their past practices becoming more tedious to most is still an issue.

I'm a gamer, not a fanboy. And still I prefer Nintendo's creativity first party games over any 3rd party games. My opinion works for me. Good to know your opinion works for you.

Enjoy!

Excuse while I go cry into my pillow because the guys that conned Wii U owners into funding their mediocre game won't support a platform with virtually the same audience.

Guess I'll just have to comfort myself with the three superior racers that are already signed, sealed, and ready to be delivered to Switch owners in the system's first few months.

Nintendo Switch are you really the Wii U, we are on too you.

The Switch is worrying me with its third-party support!...

It's not even out yet and a lot of third parties are coming out saying they're not interested in the Switch. Bodes well for the future.

Not surprised though

@business-scrub That is the exact point I tried reasoning for awhile now. The Switch needs games that are unique to its functionalities. Ports aren't all that bad an idea only if the Switch doesn't strain to run it, and if there is a demand for said game.

@JaxonH It isn't only up to the fans to buy the games for Nintendo platforms. It's also up to the devs and pubs to make their games worth buying on Nintendo platforms, or even worth buying at all. Why buy X third-party title when Y Nintendo first-party game exists on said platform? Why buy X third-party title when that same game is available on PC or PS4? (Or perhaps, why buy it on the PC when it could be taken on the go with the Switch?) Why buy X third-party title when Z PC exclusive destroys it? Why buy X third-party title when its predecessor was simply not enticing enough to warrant another go?

@KirbyTheVampire Nah, I'm alright with that this time. The devs are terrible; I remember getting my comment deleted on their site when I asked (nicely) if the Wii U version was still in the works, since they apparently cancelled it. Other comments got deleted as well. Even their poll showed that the Wii U version was the most anticipated version, and their crowdfunding program was for a big part successful thanks to Wii U owners that donated. So yeah, I don't care about this game or any other game they produce. At least now they're honest about it...

@Octane wow that's crazy..

@Ootfan98 sorry but that sucks. Nintendo should stop releasing consoles without analogue triggers.

@kobashi100 I am kinda confused how they jammed all that tech into the Joy-Cons, but they didn't add analog triggers.

@Tsusasi And that's fine. It's hard not getting a ton of news, but I'd rather get less news than not-useful-psuedo-news, lol. I don't need to read an article about Uncharted 5 NOT coming to the Switch in place of simply no article about the Switch. Let's talk about useful things even if they aren't Switch related or something, rather than essentially "not-news" things just because they have the word Switch in them.

@Mogster The developer of Project Cars 2 is not some huge group of people. So you are saying EVERY single dev/pub attended the event right?? Come on already.. They are dug in deep with 3 platforms and the Wii U was a disaster.. There are plenty who don't know it's much better or even care about Nintendo.. Give me a break already!!

@Dakt Because there isn't a TITLE yet.. It's just a place holder.. Holy smokes.. I'm willing to bet you the version that comes out for Switch looks CLOSER to the ps4/xbox one versions than the original one that is what, 5 years old!! In fact I agree to never come back here if it looks closer to the old version.. I think you should also consider you never come here if you are wrong because you sir are filled with FAKE. Sick of it!!

@Link118 they wasn't on the Wii U console either so that tells me that for some strange reason, Nintendo don't like using analogue triggers.

Dunno how that's gonna effect the rumoured GC virtual console games.

@Tsusasi comment of the year so far! Nailed it 👍

Oh and just for reference Wii U was patheticly slow right? From CPU to GPU, yet it got current gen AAA games early on like Assasins Creed BlackFlag and more.. The Switch is anywhere from 2-4x more powerful than the Wii U and somehow you think there is NEVER one single current AAA game coming for Switch.. Yeah ok, if that isn't FAKE NEWS I don't know what is..

@Smug43 What is the placeholder for? I mean, it wouldn't be that difficult to just call it Skyrim: Remaster. And no, I don't care which version it is.

@Smug43 How is it 2-4x better? I genuinely would like to know.

@kobashi100 Yeah, it's kind of a bummer if that's why some games might not make it over. I just don't get Nintendo's dislike of analog triggers. I haven't read anything about them SAYING they dislike them.

@SteamedSquid
If that's the case, then it just shows those games aren't needed on Nintendo.

I would argue that may have been true before, but now that the games are portable, there's plenty reason to buy. I'd buy just about any good 3rd party game ported to Switch. But ya, the fans will have to decide what they want.

@kobashi100 I actually prefer that set up, opinions are like ar@eholes, we've all got one

@kobashi100 because they can't even create their own FZero lol! I have no doubt that they could but I think it's unrealistic for us hardcore Nintendo fans to expect them to deliver their major franchises (Which they don't do enough anyway..) AND come up with a genre that they haven't tackled. They need to partner better and use that as a way of filling these gaps. This whole 'The Switch doesn't have x/y/z so a game isn't possible' isn't entirely accurate. Older console generations have had great driving sims without these features, so there is no reason why they cannot do them. Just make the best game in that genre that you can with the hardware and peripherals you have and you can pretty much guarantee that it will sell on the platform. I think it's just an excuse... The 3DS has some phenomenal games that some people would say shouldn't have even been attempted, yet it has such a rich and diverse software portfolio... I hope a Nindie picks up this idea and goes for it!

@emperor_ing There is a racing sim on PS, PS2, PS3, PS4, XBOX, XBOX360 and XBOX1... Why not the switch?

You can't love something without supporting it. These developers that claim to "love" nintendo just don't want the wrath of angry gamers raining down upon them.

@gatorboi352
It's really a non-issue. Fans of nintendo already have a better racer coming out on the switch in the form of Mario kart deluxe and if they're also fans of driving sim racing games then they'll get it for the ps4. Problem solved.

@BigWhoady I think the whole problem is what if people don't have a PS4, PC, or Xbox One? Or they worry the Switch won't get 3rd party support and therefore people won't want the system because it will then have fewer games compared to PS4, Xbox One, and PC.

@TruenoGT I think Sonic might give us a good idea. (If Sonic Mania or the new Sonic release simultaneously on all platforms. As far as I know that's not confirmed, but it's the only 3rd party I can think of that has a shot.)

@Link118
Well if they're a fan of the genre then they'll buy the console the game comes on. I wouldn't buy a ps4 expecting to play monster hunter, I'd buy a 3ds.

@Link118 yeah right. What Nintendo did was totally by choice. I don't know what they have against analog triggers. They didn't get the memo on how much positive feedback regarding those GameCube controllers. Now Nintendo just ignores it like it's not important to their consumers who actually owned and enjoyed the GC. Personally the GC controller is my favorite so far.

@BigWhoady Of course, but I think that is what's leading to these comments that the Switch is the next Wii U. If it doesn't have games that people want on it, less likely they will buy the Switch. So, the less 3rd party games that can be bought on other consoles, the less enticing it is for people to pick the Switch over something like the PS4.

For example, I want to play FFXV, KH3, and Injustice 2, but I also love Zelda. It's tough to justify my purchase of the Switch for Zelda when the PS4 will have more games that I want to play on it. But, yeah, you're right. If you wanna play a certain series, you will buy the platform in which to play it. I'm just trying to explain (and understand) why this kind of news is a big deal to some.

Personally, I believe if Nintendo plays their cards right they can get an install base around the size of the 3DS currently, especially if it's the only place to play the new version of games like Pokemon, Monster Hunter, and Animal Crossing. I don't see that as a bad thing. I believe all three consoles can be successful in this industry.

@BigWhoady "Fans of nintendo already have a better racer coming out on the switch in the form of Mario kart deluxe"

The two are not comparable. Apples and oranges. And your statement is an opinion to boot.

"...and if they're also fans of driving sim racing games then they'll get it for the ps4. Problem solved."

Wow yeah let's just drop another $300 for a PS4 and this game. Problem solved.

Really just a terrible reply all around. Good job.

@JKRiki Agreed!

@YeshaYahu5417 Definitely like the Gamecube controller more than the N64's. I can't really think of a good excuse to why analog triggers weren't on the Wii U gamepad.

@Tsusasi That's BS, man. Come on guys, you're not paying attention. You're just riding the tabloid train. If you were paying attention, you'd notice that many of the games that are currently skipping the Switch are built on custom engines. The Switch was designed with popular engines like UE4 and Unity in mind. Not to mention that I'm sure many of these custom engines weren't designed with full knowledge of what the Switch would offer.

But then again Nvidia has a way of communicating with developers in providing custom software when needed.

And in consideration of that fact, maybe situations like the one with Project Cars 2 could just be developers ignoring us. They'll screw with us as long as we allow them to, you know.

Either way, it wouldn't be crazy to assume that the Switch will get decent support eventually, considering its compatability with the latest popular engines. And you know what? Future custom engines may have the Switch in mind once it's on the market.

@-Green- I doubt it would sell on switch regardless

@CircuitWrangler3

Um...

Because it wasn't crazy to assume the Wii U would get good support eventually... and everyone did assume that. So... yeah.

And Skyrim was built on a custom engine.

The custom engine argument is only valid in that: The Switch most likely doesn't have the power under the hood to handle the more advanced custom engines and even if they bring them to the system, they would most likely take performance hits... which nearly aways translate into hits in the reviews, which then results in lower sales. Who wants to spend money and tie up resources developing a lessor product that may not even make up the cost of development... on an untested system full of very gimmick-like tech... with an unknown user base at present?

@Link118 I think the reason Nintendo don't use Analogue Triggers is that another company owns the Patent for it.

Yeah we are suppose to take this as doom and gloom for the switch because a Dev who lied to the fanbase they asked money from, Lazy not to get a game running(and still has problems running on better hardware) , and throws temper tampers when he's called out about it.

Yeah everyone just go crazy cause it's not like PC's set the gaming world on fire.

@Tsusasi I understand what you are saying to an extent, but I think you and a lot of other 'gamers' are caught in the echo chamber full of people that see generations of gaming simply as incremental increases in computational power with diminishing returns each coming generation. Nintendo should do what they do best, which is try to improve on the actual gaming experience. The Nintendo Switch does that.

@Ootfan98 That's interesting. I just tried to do some quick research and found nothing. If that is true, I wonder why they had analog triggers for the Gamecube controller.

@Link118 I couldn't find anything either, but I vaguely remember Nintendo losing a case in court towards the end of the Game Cube life. I might be wrong

@roboshort I do agree that the Switch definitely improves the gaming experience for that console by being a hybrid, but people's concerns about a lack of third party support because it's not as powerful as other consoles are still valid following Nintendo's home console track record. My hope is that the developers who made 3DS games for 3rd party publishers move on to make content for the Switch. If that happens I think Nintendo will be fine. Will it outsell the PS4 or Xbox One? I don't know, but it can't do worse than the Wii U. (It can, but let's not think about that)

@Ootfan98 Hey, I think this might actually be it. https://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/features/intellectual-property/nintendo-anascape-controller-patent.html

@YeshaYahu5417 "I'm a gamer, not a fanboy. And still I prefer Nintendo's creativity first party games over any 3rd party games. My opinion works for me."

Not how it works round here sadly. The minute anything you post is contrary to one of the complainers' constant moans you're automatically in the "koolaid" camp. Even if it's just of a case of you thinking it's just not getting worth getting this mad over games.

@DonkeyKongBigBoy games like that probably only really sell to a certain demographic, probably the kind of people who stay awake during Digital Foundry vids.

I only play in my nintendo console, not pc, don't have ps4 or XBOX juan... how many years have passed since I last played a (semi)realistic racing sim?
seriously if they don't want to (or can't) give us this game for switch then there's nothing to be done...but I still feel pretty sad about it.

by the way, is it me or all this feels similar to the wii U situation?

I don't know who to be upset at. These developers of Nintendo. Someone lied to me that's all I know.
Something is being dropped as far as communication. Nintendo says third party will be there but I'm just reading Nintendo news site and getting bad news after bad news of this game isn't coming to SWITCH. That game isn't coming to SWITCH. It's Wii U all over again? Don't make me regret preordering one already.

@Tsusasi I didn't assume that the Wiiu would get good support eventually, and I would be suprised to learn that anyone else did. It's message was construed from the moment it was revealed, it wasn't pitched early to developers, and it was equipped with the I'll-fated powerpc chip, which would create hurdles for developers using modern engines. I was surprised when it started to flop, but I knew that it would struggle.

I was referring to "most" of the current custom engines, not them all. It makes a lot of sense that the creative director of Project Cars 2 has reservations about a port to the Switch, but not for the reasons that you may think. The game's custom engine, that was built with high-end personal computers and console behemoths like the PS4 and XB1 in mind, is CPU intensive, and therefore would require a good amount of raw power to run. To make way for portability, the Switch was designed to be efficient through architecture, and probably wouldn't have the raw might to properly run the engine.

A system full of gimmicky tech? You mean like the PS4 with its weird controller? The Switch is not gimmicky, in a sense that none of it's unique features get in the way of a conventional experience.

As far as the Switch's audience, you are right that it is currently unknown and untested. But, you can get a clear picture of who Nintendo's aiming at with the Switch, if you watch the ads. I would imagine that that demographic would love to take a game like project cars on the go. What do you think?

@Galactus_33 You can cancel the preorder, no? And third party doesn't necessarily mean they're going to get FFXV or Project Cars 2. It just means third parties are going to release SOME games on the system. I'm excited about the Switch, but I'm even skeptical of their "100 games from 70+ developers" claim. Exactly what games are they? We don't know.

@JaxonH I'm quite comfortable with the idea of those games not being needed on the Switch (especially since it could be getting a unique library of its own like the 3DS did), though I guess the Ninty-only and portability-needing gamers should be the ones who decide that, if there are even enough of those to make big publishers notice. How many millions will that need to be?

@SteamedSquid
More and more every year it seems. I'm thinking 2mil+ sales for larger AAA games, 500k-1m for lower tier to middle market games, and 250k+ for indies, although I think they have the middle market and indie game locked in already ( those games actually seem to sell fairly well on Nintendo).

Honestly I'm ok with it too. I mean, even a 3DS-like library is plenty awesome for me (especially where all the games are Wii U quality, and console/handheld) but it would reach Legendary+++++ status if it had a decent chunk of AAA ports also.

Like Wii U, I'll cherish the few good AAA that do come (only now there's actual reason to buy since everything is a handheld game now too, compared to Wii U where all you got was a lesser version with token off TV play on an SD screen). Skyrim on handheld is gonna be epic.

@roboshort The other platforms are perfectly enjoyable to play on. In fact, if Nintendo didn't go down the "cute and quirky" path and was an actual competitor in the console wars, complete with PS4 levels of 3rd party support on top of their first party lineup, they would dominate the gaming industry. Their Switch hardware is very cool, but I don't want more gimmicks from Nintendo if it means anemic 3rd party support. Some people might find conventional consoles boring, but at least they actually have AAA third party games. I want those on Nintendo consoles way more than portability, HD rumble, and detachable controllers. Don't get me wrong, those things are cool, but they don't enhance the gaming experience much if all we can play is Nintendo's first party games and low budget third party games.

Besides, Nintendo could just release a dedicated handheld for people who want portable gaming. I love the idea behind the Switch, but the tech isn't there for that idea to reach it's full potential, which is a bummer.

3rd party devs dropping Nintendo is a lot like trying to get out of jury service; you're afraid to be the first one to make an excuse to leave but once the first person goes everybody starts to make their stories and promptly disappear.

Yes, I got called for jury service! He's guilty as ****, whoever he is. xD

@Galactus_33 No one lied. It's just that no one clarified what's going on. We've all been getting disappointing news on a number of ports and have been left to speculate.

Don't read into all this as a sign that thirds will be skipping Nintendo, because it's not a sign of any such thing. It's circumstantial. These games that are skipping the Switch were built on power hungry custom engines and started production before the console's final dev kits came to fruition. So naturally there would be the possibility of them being not eligible for the Switch at launch.

The good news is that the Switch was built to handle popular modern engines like UE4 and Unity which should lead to some interesting ports in the future. And remember, the PS2 launched with less than a handful of titles that included some of the worst launch games in the history of gaming, but that didn't stop it from accumulating an impressive library down the line.

@CircuitWrangler3 FINALLY someone with a shred of sensibility!!! This is EXACTLY what's going on.. People need to take a breather and realize a brand new console jumping in mid generation is also a hurdle, however anything UE4, Unity and some other software dev tools will make for an incredibly smooth transition to Switch. It will happen and a LOT of people are going to eat crow.. I can't wait!!!

Some people don't seem to understand that Nintendo is NOT interested in ports of games for other systems. They are more interested in having third parties develop original software for their system.

Sure there's Skyrim being released and that's great. It's not however their focus. If it were then they would have made the hardware equivalent of a ps4one. My question is what would we all rather have? Original games offering a variety of gameplay. Or ports of games that exist elsewhere? If I was after ports It would PC all day long baby. NO game system beats the performance of even a mid grade PC.

Also, the full capabilities of the system haven't been explored yet. As usual it will be up to Nintendo to show developers how capable their machine is. Let's just be patient and let the switch prove itself. Why does it need validation by means of ports?

@BiasedSonyFan How could a console with PS4 levels of 3rd party support along with Nintendo's games NOT be the dominant console? The reason most people even buy Nintendo's systems is for their first party games. On the other hand, the reason people buy the other consoles is for the third party games. Combine those sales together, and Nintendo would be a true juggernaut like they used to be decades ago.

@KirbyTheVampire Because that strategy worked so well for the GC

@WiltonRoots I'm not boxed in to a round here mindset that you speak of. Nor am I interested. Everyone has different opinions. I was just poking fun at the things people complain about. Especially when it comes to Nintendo. I find it quite hilarious 😁

@liljmoore It certainly worked better than their cute and quirky strategy did with the Wii U. The Gamecube is actually remembered as one of Nintendo's better consoles, despite the Wii tearing it to shreds in terms of system sales. Besides, it didn't have the same 3rd party support that the PS2 did, for a number of reasons. However, it's conventional and "boring" nature and great controller is what makes people generally look back on it fondly, for the most part. It had decent third party support and Nintendo's games, thus making it a solid console that people liked. Gimmicks only appeal to gamers so much. What people really want is a diverse library of games. That truth is seen more than ever with the Wii U. It will likely go down as the perfect example of how a console can't rely on gimmicks and one company's games to survive, much less thrive. The Switch does look like it will be much more third party friendly than the Wii U though, thankfully.

@BiasedSonyFan In what world would there not be demand for a console with Nintendo games and PS4 third party support levels? There certainly wasn't much demand for the Wii U with it's Gamepad. The Wii did beat the PS3 and 360 in sales, but that was largely because motion controls were something new, and it was priced affordably and came with Wii Sports. It wasn't the games that really drew people in and made it sell so well. In fact, if you cut the Wii out of the equation, sales of Nintendo systems have been on a decline since the N64. Meanwhile, PlayStation has consistently been going strong, and the Xbox has as well, to a lesser degree. Why is that? It's not motion controls or HD rumble or a Gamepad. It's the third party games. So if a system had those games as well as Nintendo games, it would surely beat out the other systems.

This is a purely hypothetical scenario, anyway. It's gonna be years before we see a lot of AAA games on Nintendo systems, if ever.

@kobashi100 Not really arguing with you. I'm sure Nintendo could if they applied themselves. But it's not really their style or something they try to do. I think Miyamoto once said he could've done Halo, but would rather make the games that he actually makes. That's why we have Mario Kart, I guess.

I do think there ought to be a dev out there that could make a solid car sim (doesn't have to be AAA graphics, just good simulation) and make it the Switch's choice for those that want it.

I know they're not the same, but keep in mind Switch is getting Racing Apex and Fast RMX, besides Mario Kart. Switch may not have exactly what everybody wants starting out but there are some worthwhile options.

@YeshaYahu5417 Best way to be without a doubt... Video games are supposed to be all about fun. When people get into massive rows online about things that are supposed to be all about fun then I think they've missed the point about why people play games in the first place.

There's just about no chance that Red Dead Redemption 2 will be on the Switch, and that's a problem. I haven't had a non-Nintendo console since the 360 and would rather not, but if you want to play the big upcoming 3rd party games , you have to have an additional machine.

Dropping the ball on something as simple as analog triggers just makes no sense.

Lack of racing sim on Nintendo systems: checked.

@BlueKnight07 this is where Nintendo should have done what sony has done and invest in studios who can make these kind of games that we don't normally see Nintendo do.

@electrolite77 It is their job to report coverage which is of interest to consumers. I don't want to know constantly what we aren't getting, I want to know what we are. If that is such an issue, or hard to pull together, then the Switch really is in a pickle.

I can't blame them for being cautious after the weak sales performance of the Wii U. They are doing "wait and see" approach. They said currently they are not looking to port the game, so once the Switch has a huge install base, they will reconsider bringing this to the Switch.

First of all he came back to troll again. 2nd he wants to do another kickstarter for the Switch version to steal the money again & make it just for the other systems, & 3rd Nin knows better not to sell him a dev kit for a loser ass that he is.

This is starting to show that the new big 3rd party AAAs are something switch will not have the power to run. That’s fine with me, I still love Nintendo games the best. However if Nintendo wants to grow their user base this fact is going to slow them down quite a bit. But then you have to weight that up against the price of a portable that did have that sort of power. I looked up gaming laptops in Australia and the price was around 3K for a good one.

@electrolite77 Fair enough. Each to their own then.

You know, instead of being all "NINTENDO IS DOOOMED!!!!111", how about we call the Project Cars developers out on not giving Nintendo's system the support it needs? Bunch of liars.

If they could, they could totally make a custom engine to run it on the Switch like EA is doing with Fifa. Nintendo isn't the problem here, it's the developers being stubborn.

Why do I feel like this is going to be a common thing with developers?

@BiasedSonyFan Shame isn't it. Having to buy a separate console for Nintendo games is expensive.

Maybe it's coming to Nintendo Switch after all.