Nintendo NX Will "Change The Concept" Of Home Console And Handheld Gaming, Says Pokémon Company President

NX CONFIRMED

Good to have somewhat official statements, for a change. I'm sold on the hybrid idea, I just want to see the execution.

Assuming this will have mainline Pokémon games on it, it will be big.

More evidence towards the Eurogamer leaks!

More evidence towards the hybrid concept not the exacts of the euro gamer leak.

As a player and Nintendo fan, this excites me. As someone who wants to see Nintendo bounce back and be successful, this is terrifying. Gamers don't want anything that will "change the concept" of anything, they just want the next XStation clone...

Okay now that pretty much confirms the hybrid. But not how it will work. I wonder how it will work?

Nice to hear but I want to see the NX.

Well whadyaknow, is that ACTUAL NX news I see?

Can it end world hunger?

Im guessing my guesses were correct

@Captain_Toad Maybe it will. Theres alot of pokemon to feed tho

Pokemon confirmed for Nintendo's new console. Isn't this a given? He paraphrases what we already know about NX, then states the obvious.

We're discussing this in the forums. I think this DOES CONFIRM that NX is a hybrid. Also, I think this might be the most revealing statement anybody has made about it and from the CEO no less of one of the game industries biggest companies. Are the shackles finally coming off very soon? I think so, yes. Hopefully. No way would he have said this months ago.

Finally a main series Pokemon game in HD.

If the mainline series is moving to the NX then it better be an affordable piece of hardware or Sun and Moon might be the last games I play in the series.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Agreed, although I also think @BLPs has a point. The details might be different, including the specs, but the core concept seems solid enough at this point.

Sounding very hybridie @Thanos_ReXXX

Maybe we can get Nintendo to announce it w/ some "here hybridie hybridie, here hybridie hybridie" bird calls, or maybe just serenade Reggie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWXRX1UsSyw

Stupid #$%^#$*& WSJ paywall.

Just announce the NX already. I'm tired of these veiled comments and speculation.

I think we will see when the console and games are released, they said Wii U was suppose to change the way we play games and it wasn't good.

Well of course Pokemon Compnay is making games for the NX.

They already made Pokemon Go which runs on iphones, gotta believe they'll be doing it so more when Iphone 7SNES is released.

Maybe one day I'll actually play a pokemon game....besides pokemon go. lol

@SLIGEACH_EIRE a hybrid suggests one machine doing something the 3ds does combined with something the Wii U does. Play games both at home and on the move.

If it was two seperate consoles that would be to expensive and would not sell well.

So the hybrid would have to be something that would allow the same game card to be played on the 3ds and the Wii U or a Wii U 2.

I would guess that it could be a gamepad type controller that takes a game card, allowing HD graphics on the TV and 3d graphics on the 3ds.

Maybe not all games but a good number, that way the NX would not directly be replacing the Wii U, and there's still plenty of life in the 3ds.

@Grumblevolcano hardly

Pretty much confirms the device as a hybrid, doesn't it?

Ich bin aufgeregt.

Ok so I guess it really is a hybrid. Hmm. I hope it is backwards compatible with 3ds then.

Oooohh, the time for the NX reveal is approaching!!
Nintendo and Pokémon Company are just warning us!!!
Maybe at the starting of October??

This is going to get interesting.

@rjejr well what do you know, they're #kindoftellingus

I'm glad to see a bit of NX news that's not conjecture, or pure speculation.

@yomanation dude, these people will never accept NX is a handheld. They are delusional and have been living in denial for months.

I wonder if the Changes completely MindBlowing.
I still can't imagine something innovative than Dual screen or Gamepad concept.

@Ryu_Niiyama
Also, NX SHOULD Region FREE and can play all 3DS games regardless the region and can bypass the Region Lock inside every single 3DS cartridge. By doing so, it will boost the sales, we can mixed and match our 3DS games from different region.

@Anti-Matter * shrugs * I'm not getting my hopes up on that one. At this point I'm used to owning a minimum of 4 Nintendo systems per gen. At least if this truly is a hybrid I'll only have to buy two. Region free is a plus but it won't have any bearing on my purchasing decision.

I do wonder if the NX is the sort of handheld you take on a train or a plane, or the sort of thing you put in a bag and take round your Nan's on a bank holiday? Because to me it seems to be an overpowered ipad with controllers that connects to the telly.

This doesn't really confirm anything either way. If anything, it leads more credence to the idea of an ecosystem, with multiple devices able to run the same games. That's not to say a hybrid can't exist, just that it wouldn't be the only device.

Personally, I haven't seen anything in the interview that says the NX is a Hybrid console.

Double edit: Apparently Tsunekazu Ishihara is not at all the person who mentioned the blending of home and handheld. He actually says they will change what we will think of home and hanheld devices. Hardly seems indicative of a shared library or a hybrid and more of a new way to play we havent had before.

@Sir_JBizzle "news that's not conjecture, or pure speculation."

Well it's still partly speculation and a conjecture b/c he didn't say what it was, and it's the President of The Pokemon Company, and they don't actually make any video games, they license out the IP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pok%C3%A9mon_Company
https://www.pokemon.co.jp/corporate/en/interview/

Get the president of Gamefreak on the line, he's the one who actually makes the games. I'm sure this guy knows exactly what NX is, but he sort of misrepresenting what they do when he said "we will make games" b/c they don't make games, they license out the IP. Though I suppose it' shis call to have th egames made, which even in english is probably close enough to the truth. (My wife is a book production manager but she never touches a book, she just tells the manufacturer stuff like how many pages and what font size.) The president of Gamefreak would have a better working knowledge of the hardware and could tell us exactly what it was, not just what Nintendo is trying to do - "The NX is trying to change the concept".

So yes, he knows what it is and it sounds like a hybrid, but it's still a bit speculative and conjecture based on what Nintendo is trying to change. He never said what it was, and he never said what it wasn't either.

#justtellusforrealnexttime (lot of double letters in there)

@yomanation because you can't play Nintendo aaa titles on playstation.thats why I have both.nintendo for Nintendo games and playstation for PlayStation game lol its not that hard to figure out why people will buy it

So Pokemon will be on NX. That's the best news. I'm so happy. They will support Nintendo. I'm so happy. This is great. I'm so happy. Day 1 purchase for me. I'm so happy

Blast.... I'm still not sold on the concept of an hybrid console. I hope they unveil it soon to see just what they're proposing with the NX.

I'm not sure if it would be a main series title that would come to the NX, as that would cause it to compete with the purely handheld games... probably a spin-off in a similar vein to Colosseum and XD would be more likely.

@abbyhitter Who said anything about HD?

A hybrid makes sense if you look at it from the right angle: Nintendo more or less neglected their home consoles because of the success of the (3)DS. Now imagine a home console/handheld hybrid with all those (3)DS titles/franchises, but with modern HD graphics. And handheld users can play full console quality games instead of versions that feel watered down and simplified. With Nintendo focussing on one platform only good things are bound to happen.
For instance: previously, Nintendo refused to release a full Pokémon adventure on their home consoles because they were system sellers for their handhelds. Having the best version on their console would mean that handheld users would feel like they were getting a inferior product instead of a triple A game.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo competed more with their own consoles than with the others the last few generations.

Well, this is the hybrid handheld/console confirmed!

@gcunit Nintendo. LoZ: Breath of the Wild is running at least 720p on a Wii U. Aonuma said that Breath of the Wild will look better on NX.

Whow this news makes me pumped and hyped even tho he didnt reveal much, but its nice to hear something from a official company. Just like the Square enix anouncement. With those already confirmed big companys, the NX is saved. And will be sold out from day one, they are already pulling many pokëmon fans towards the NX. People already talking about it alot. And i think that was Nintendos idea before the Big reveal.

They have to go al out to explain the console/handeld in detail, reveal big hitter games, reveal all confirmed third party games and companys who are on board (future plans). As for Nintendo they should keep up with the Direct video's promote the console in every way possible. On phones (every pokëmon Go player) with an anouncement, mario run etc.
They cant afford to screw up.

I'm not completely sure I will buy an NX, but if I do, I can all but guarantee that I will never play it anywhere other than attached to the TV.

I hope they didn't make this thing too weird or gimped as a home console, as im not interested in using it outside.

@rjejr while everything you said is true, I was just looking at the angle of it at least not being someone like Emily Rogers, Eurogamer or NintendoLife's "own sources" (no offence guys)

Though the Pokémon Company only deals with the licensing, you'd think they'd be a more credible source than anyone but Nintendo themselves.

The NX stands for Nintendo eXtra. Maybe that is the biggest clue.

@Zanark All depends on how you look at it.

I think it's preconceived notions dictating how the brain translates things. I'd put up the picture of the blue-white dress but I think that's purely an optical illusion, not based on any preconceived notion.

Personally I think the 2nd sentence is more telling.
"We will make games for the NX."

"the" - I never trust anything that's been translated from Japanese to English, which I'm not sure if this has been or not or if the guy speaks English - then "the" means 1 console. Which means a hybrid. Nintneod has been very clever so far about just saying "NX" w/o an "a" or "the", so the "the" could be a slip.

Here's how Nintnedo explained it for the Splatoon tournament:

"and each player on the winning side will receive Nintendo's next video game system, code-named NX."

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/09/esl_go4splatoon_tournament_winners_will_get_a_nintendo_nx_console

(Ignore the title, that's NL's wording, not Nintendo's)

They used "system" b/c "system" is a word like "sheep", it's both singular and plural.

2 freaking years worth of word games and 6 months before launch and they still won't tell us, reduced to scouring the internet for indefinite articles.

Someone posted a video of Nintendo NX but when I click on it. The video is removed. It was just posted? Trolling? Possible. But it ain't like Nintendo is saying anything.

@Sir_JBizzle I think they are a credible source for knowing what it is, just not a credible source for explaining to us what it is. They probably could if they wanted to, but it's still just more hemming and hawing.

(I have no idea why hemming and hawing is a phrase, but it seems to work well here.)

So, he's kinda given away something about NX in that statement.

A proper Pokémon game on the TV and on the go, in one device? That sounds pretty sweet.

I know there are tons of Pokémon fans but I just can't get excited for games that come out every year. It's like I'm over it.
I got x and y that was my second Pokémon game next to the original blue and red and it was fun but I couldn't help but think how the series desperately needs to move to HD and to Console. Or better yet an HD handheld.

@rjejr ahhhhh I follow you now. So we're back at #justtellus (though you never left)

@yomanation hahahaha. Those Fools! Never jump the gun, especially if you don't know if it's loaded or not.
Boom! NX is gonna drop with a Bang. Bang bang ahhh haaaaaa. Damn dog! It's a hybrid after all... uhhhhhhhggggg

I hope this means we're getting a Diamond and Pearl remake in HD! I'd still be down if it came to 3DS instead, though.

@yuwarite And that right there is the power of a hybrid console, should the NX turn out to be a hybrid (it's pretty much a certainty at this point): You get main franchise Pokemon, Super Mario Bros., Mario Kart, Metroid, Kirby, Fire Emblem, Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi, Donkey Kong, Pikmin, Yoshi, Star Fox, F-Zero (I can dream), Mario Party, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Animal Crossing, Art Academy, Zelda, etc., games on NX that you can play and enjoy on your big screen TV and from the comfort of your couch or when you're sitting on a bus on the way to school/work or whatever, and it's a single platform that allows Nintendo to really put out a load of games without the total droughts we've often seen on its hardware in the past, and, if it sells enough as a result, which would seem likely, it will almost certainly see strong third party support too. If done right, it can really only be a win win for pretty much everyone.

@impurekind Except Sony and Microsoft

Wow... this dude just literally confirmed the NX hybrid console rumor😃😋

Maxconsole says that the NX reveal is expected tomorrow.

@abbyhitter Define 'better'. Maybe it's lower res but 3D...

@rjejr ...sorry to derail but is that image you posted supposed to make one's head hurt? I'm just trying to figure out if its just me as I can't process optical illusions very well. #cyclopsproblems

@Ventilator That maxconsole story just links back to SuperMetalDave64.

The title is wrong. He said the NX is "trying" to change the concept.

@Ryu_Niiyama Sorry. Didn't mean to cause any problems. Would you like me to delete it, wouldn't be a problem?

And all of this NX non-official news is certainly making my head hurt, but that's self imposed.

Anyone else think he's let a bit more out of the bag than the official line permits?

@rjejr "Stupid #$%^#$*& WSJ paywall."

Indeed. I used to be a subscriber, but I'm not anymore, and sometimes I forget that when I try to read an article on there.

"Sounding very hybridie"

I'll refer you to that wonderful picture you posted in comment #55. Really liked that one, and it is that very opposing perspective that has created the two camps in the first place, and it's still not clear because there could be multiple devices, where different developers have also seen a different device.

Perhaps all the indies have only seen the handheld device and the triple A people only the console, who knows?

The guy I spoke to said no hybrid, and I know I told you where he was working...

Also, the words "the", "console" or "system" aren't proof of a single system at all, and a single system itself doesn't even automatically lead to the conclusion of a hybrid.

But I've found a new representative that will tell you EXACTLY why a hybrid could possibly be Nintendo's dumbest idea ever:

The cat's out of the bag now.

JUST REVEAL THE @#$%%$@#&$@%$%$@%&$@% THING ALREADY!!!

@ThanosReXXX "Perhaps all the indies have only seen the handheld device and the triple A people only the console, who knows?"

Well except this isn't "indie guy" thread, it's President of TPC thread. And while I bet if you asked him straight out what chipset NX is using he might reply "what's a chipset?", he probably has the full picture, even if he doesn't know a dock from an SCD either. I do think he has to know the bare minimum, 1 console or 2, even if he couldn't explain it if he actually tried. But 1 or 2 he knows.

Who knows, maybe Nintod pulled a Sony and there are 2 hybrids, like Slim and Pro, 1 does TV out at 480p, small like a 3DS, great battery life, made for portability, and 1 does 720p out, large like a 3DS XL, garbage battery, really made for home use. $199 3DS XL and $79 2DS play (almost) all the same games, so there is a precedent among current Ninteod handhelds for my really stupid sounding idea. (I still think 2DS is garbage, but @Mahe swears by it, and he's a much more serious handheld gamer than I am)

@ottospooky I get that feeling too. Not anything earth shattering. But a lot more concrete info than we had coming into today.

I also think it sounds weird on the surface for him to have to declare, considering Pokemon is synonymous with Nintendo at this point. It sounds like he's putting it out there that they just won't be relegated to the 3DS. Which goes back to your point. He may have said a lot more than Nintendo would have liked

@rjejr Lol, thank you for the consideration but it isn't necessary. I think I got the point you were trying to make and I'll just scroll past your comment quickly. I tend to read your comments rather than skim them so that's how I set myself up for ze pain.

I consider myself to be a patient woman, but I'm inclined to agree with you on the NX inducing headaches. I just want to know what it is, how much it costs, and when is it releasing! * despondent sigh *

This isn't confirmation of a hybrid, it just means that it's confirmed that Nintendo are about to shake things up again.

About time.

If the NX is a hybrid, then my theory is that it will definitely use game cards. If it uses detachable controllers, I suspect that the main unit, long with the controllers will have game card slots to induce portablity. Plus the inclusion of touch screens so you can play the games on them.

Im loving Nintendo again.

@Ryu_Niiyama * despondent sigh

I really wish I could give a despondent sigh, I'm like #$%%^&&^%$## all the time. I'm not going to see my Doctor for a physical until after we know everything for real, my blood pressure must be thru the roof, and I'm too tired all the time to switch to decaf.

Hybrid NX confirmed. C'mon Nintendo.

So we at least know the console is actually a hybrid of home and portable gaming, nice to finally have someone close to Nintendo finally give us SOMETHING! Time for Nintendo to get off their a$§ and finally show us the system.

What @Frank90 said.

Wow, I was a naysayer for a long time, but if this isn't proof that the NX is a hybrid console, I don't know what is.

There's (another) rumour that retailers are heading to Nintendo Europe in Germany for a big announcement in the coming days.

https://mynintendonews.com/2016/09/20/retailers-are-heading-to-nintendo-europe-in-germany-for-an-announcement/

Whether it's true or not and whether it has anything to do with NX or not, I have no idea. Even if it is true, it doesn't mean retailers are going to be sharing anything anyway. Surely, though, the time has to be near?

I like the idea of a powerful handheld with TV out, upscaling etc.

My expectations are kept low. There are a lot of emphasis on rumors and speculations, and it's fun to speculate based on anticipation, but what about Nintendo's President Kimishima and the things he says? Before the history geeks and grammar police try to one up our comments with dates times and actuality's, I just have a comment on what Kimishima said and specifically, that he would speak about NX in 2016 and NX will launch worldwide in March 2017. Imo, I wouldn't be surprised if they (Nintendo) will do just that, speak about NX, but might not actually reveal it until 2017.

Just a thought. Even though we been seeing a lot of rumors with so called trusted sources throwing months out there in speculation of the big reveal. So, cool if they do reveal it soon. If they don't, oh well, they'll reveal it later. We'll see..

Remind me why they haven't formally announced their new console even though it comes out in 6 months?

At least some of that merchandise revenue has to be from the 20th Anniversary, as well. I know I've spent more on Pokemon merchandise this year than I have in a long time.

Looking forward to learning more about the NX backwards compatibility. Nintendo has an amazing legacy and great tradition in supporting previous generation games natively... Fingers crossed!

Can't wait to play Pokemon on the NX!

@XCWarrior Pokemon Company didn't make pokemon go, it was niantic who made it.

@ThanosReXXX I watched cursing guy vid. He was funny, but not very smart. Nintnedo combined their home and handheld divisions 3 1/2 years ago in Jan 2013, he sounded like he didn't know that. He wasn't just talking about combing hardware being a bad idea, but games as well. That's a done deal years ago. (I'm not even bothering w/ a sinlge links, here's a google search.)

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=nintendo+combined+console+and+handheld+divisions

The fact that they did that 3 1/2 years ago does kind of lead to a hybrid.

I don't play Pokémon, but this has to be good (if unsurprising) news.

Home console portable console hybrid all but officially confirmed.

Nintendo are taking a big gamble here, but it's one they have to take. As far as I can see NX is not really bringing anything new to the table; gameplay wise. It's just means Nintendo will be able to focus on one system and not two as they have had to do in the past.

The battleground will be the games and hopefully loads of them. It could be very good.

PS: I couldn't care less about 3rd party games, just give me Nintendo games.

@3dsgeek333
Because they're afraid of the angry noisy mob. You know who in talking about 😉

Detachable controllers seems counter-intuitive for a company that prides itself iron its consoles 'just working'. The Wii was a huge success because it just made sense. Going after the PSXbox crowd is a huge mistake. They wouldn't buy anything other than an HD GameCube (!!!).

Am I the only person imagining a PS Vita-style handheld coupled with an AppleTV-sized box that handles streaming of gameplay to the TV? Cartridges could then be removed from the handheld (Which better bring back the Gameboy branding 😎) and then inserted into the aTV box and continued on the TV with a regular controller or, in lieu of a Wiimote: your phone.

@yomanation Xenoblade Chronicles X, Super Mario 3D World, Splatoon, Smash Bros Wii U, Yoshi's Wooly World, Super Mario Maker and Mario Kart 8 all say hi to that ridiculous notion that there's no AAA on the Wii U. That's YOUR opinion, and it's a lousy one at that. I'm not sure what you consider to be a AAA title, but you have to pretty snobby to suggest that none of the titles I listed above aren't AAA titles.

@rjejr Yeah, 2DS is a much better value than 3DS. If Nintendo had released 2DS initially instead of 3DS, they could be in a different place right now.

Hybrid? Heck, that would make the NX the first Nintendo Home Console (technically speaking) that I buy at launch, as I've always done with Nintendo Handhelds.

See, Nintendo? That's precisely why the hybrid idea works. Handheld fans and/or other console fans would buy it because it's a Nintendo handheld, while Nintendo fans would buy it as a home console... although they (us) would buy it anyway even if it was just a handheld. In short, it's a hybrid. It is. Bam.

@rjejr
MY EYES
WHY DID YOU POST THAT PIC
I mean, it's not from a shock site or anything, but still, MY EYES

@RadioHedgeFund They won't being back Gameboy branding. It's too gendered and it's 2016.

@yomanation Actually it does change the fact. Deciding if a game is AAA or not based on budget alone is really silly. The quality of almost all of those games on that list, especially Smash Bros and Xenoblade Chronicles X, prove without a doubt that they're AAA titles. To me, it's far more than just a budget thing, but the quality and care put into the game is equally just as important, if not more so.

I gotta say though, you're one snobby gamer to say that none of the games I mentioned aren't AAA titles. It's both sad and pathetic, and it really shows how far gone of a "gamer" you are if you simply look at the budget of a game. Which, by the way, you have no knowledge that from any of the games I listed. Their quality alone proves they're AAA games.

You're more than welcome to live in your delusional world where all those games I mentioned don't meet your high standards, but just know you sound like an absolute, arrogant tool by suggesting something so asinine. Absolutely disgusting in every single way.

If the rumors are true. I hope it doesn't replace the 3DS. Gen 4-7 Has shown us how great the games became with Dual Screens. I hope the DS Line continues even with the NX being a Hybrid.

HYBRID CONFIRMED!! Can't wait!

@BiasedSonyFan The most annoying thing to me personally, is that everybody talks, but no one shows, so what so many call "proof" is actually no proof at all. Suffice it to say that all the "evidence" supporting a hybrid device wouldn't hold up in a court of law.

All the information connected to that is exclusively coming from reliable yet unnamed/undisclosed sources, or that butt Emily Rogers. Nothing direct, tangible or verifiable.

And nothing from Nvidia either, who have already spoken multiple times now, concerning their latest Tegra chips. And while they have openly stated that these are "also" suitable for gaming devices, their own main focus is automotive and higher learning.

And on the other side of the coin there's AMD, still having at least one unconfirmed semi-custom design win, and so does DMP, who is still an active partner of Nintendo, because they made the chips inside all models 3DS and 2DS, and their current semi-custom design win could very well be for Nintendo's next handheld, since DMP has no other clients in gaming, so what else would that gaming design win be for?

AMD is still uncertain, but as far as I am concerned, the handheld will be DMP.

As for Peer's credibility: based on what? His reputation? None of us actually know how good his contacts with developers are. Many game site journalists have developer contacts, so that in and of itself is nothing special.

Hell, even I have developer contacts. I've done my own research, I own my own company in IT related Sales & Marketing, so I could also say that I am reliable (and I am) and my sources are the same that most of them use, so these too are reliable.

The difference in general is the name a site has. IGN is a big site, and has been around for quite a while, so that is probably why many people consider what they say to be either true or very likely to happen.

But even the biggest sites or most important people can make mistakes, we just don't know. Luckily, it won't be long now anymore, either the end of this week, or beginning of October, if these rumors have any truth to them.

The internet is gonna melt when the NX is unveiled. Everyone will say it's rubbish and that they are disappointed. Then it will be released, and the poser wannabe gamer hipsters who never actually buy any games apart from CoD, GTA and FIFA will say, 'I don't want to play the NX, I only play games for their storylines. Im a grown up. Nintendo should go third party', as if they know anything.

And I'll be sitting there, loathing them all and wondering why people are so dumb, thinking 'why aren't they enjoying these great NX games with me? Can't they pull their heads out their own rear ends? What is wrong with the world?'

Etc etc etc into eternity.

So basically it'll do what mobile devices with HDMI have done for years now?

@AVahne Your negativity is an adorable match to your thumbnail pic.

Have some stickers

Wow, Pokemon related content on new Nintendo device(s)?

Whatever next....?

@rjejr To me, this quote:
"The NX is trying to change the concept of what it means to be a home console device or a hand-held device."
doesn't confirm a hybrid at all. Not even looking for any mistranslation, like you tend to do, but just dissecting the sentence.

In my opinion, you should see it as him saying that they want to try and give another definition to BOTH devices, not make them into one, otherwise he would not have said "or" but "AND" like the title of this article so deceptively used.

So, how you SHOULD see it then is:

"The NX is trying to change the general idea of what people think that a home console device or a hand-held device should be."

That in and of itself says absolutely NOTHING about mixing the two together.

I have VERY mixed feelings about all of this. If it is indeed a hybrid, then I don't think I will be interested enough to buy one. And although I love Nintendo, in some way I hope that if the hybrid is a thing that they will fail so miserably that they will simply go back to normal dedicated devices again.

Nintendo needs to start listening to their fans, the market and reason, and none of these are an incentive for introducing a hybrid device...

@ThanosReXXX "Nintendo needs to start listening to their fans, the market and reason, and none of these are an incentive for introducing a hybrid device..."

But 13.5 mil Wii U sales are hardly reason or incentive to market another horse drawn buggy or film camera either. Whether you could convince people to buy it or not, there doesn't seem to be a lot of reason to make one, Sony and MS have that area locked up. So a hybrid may not make much sense, but it may make more sense to Ninteod, and they have to launch something to pay the bills.

And I do think that guys comments can be understood that way, and maybe they will be someday, but at first reading I thought hybrid. And that's reading them trying to read between the lines as I don't take anything at face value.

The NX is the spiritual successor to the NX.

K. Can I see it now?

@rjejr "The fact that they did that 3 1/2 years ago does kind of lead to a hybrid."

No, it really doesn't. And don't make me post that picture again with Iwata's financial report quotes that you couldn't find...

Aw, screw it:

And do take note of the highlighted parts, destroying any possibility of Nintendo meaning to create a hybrid device...

@ThanosReXXX I haven't really theorised on this in here but my thoughts tend to lean toward one software library/OS and multiple devices - home console and handheld. I don't think there's a hybrid device at all. There's probably a handheld device which is still in the works, hence the recent burst of new 3DS software, to tide that market over until their new handheld is ready.

Ah we'll know soon enough I'm sure. I'm quite happy to wait.

@rjejr LMAO! Ha I needed that since I'm sitting at work pouring over Visa and MasterCard's charge back rules (part of my job) and it is like watching grass grow.

The wait is annoying but I will admit that a part of my anxiety feeds into my ever present belief that Nintendo will deliver the magic. (Content WiiU owner over here)

Perhaps meditation or some Yoshi's Wooly World will help with your blood pressure? It is hard to stay mad when playing that game.

I'm thinking it will probably be something like the Sony PS Vita, slightly more powerful, and it will be able to connect to your tv via HDMI.

@ThanosReXXX "Nintendo needs to start listening to their fans, the market and reason, and none of these are an incentive for introducing a hybrid device..."
Fans complains about not enough games, reason tells they should stick to 1 platform to have a decent output, market says that platform is a handheld. Put a HDMI out and call it "hybrid" so they don't lose all TV-only gamers and there you have it...

Not saying it will be or not, but that's a reasonable direction Nintendo could choose.

Yay

@WiltonRoots My idea exactly, and what I have been saying ever since these statements I posted in comment #127 have been published. Mr. Iwata thought that Nintendo should be more like Apple, which indeed points to one OS, multiple devices, not one, do it all hybrid device.

@RennanNT It would only be reasonable if they were willing to put all their eggs in one basket. One single device that does all, one device that will either succeed or fail with nothing to fall back on.

And besides that: handheld games are a decidedly different experience as are home console games, so even though there are quite a few that have been successful on both types of devices, there are also quite a lot of titles that are truly only destined to be on either of the two.

And then again, hybrid-opposers like me could be completely wrong an Nintendo might completely hit it out of the park with whatever the heck NX is...

Well, they better or else I don't think they will ever be able to sell anything ever again, and they'll be relegated to amusement parks, where in a decade or two parents will have to explain to children who all these weird and wonderful characters are that have no books or movies, yet are featured in all the rides and attractions...

I think they will show the NX soon.They have too they are running out of time.I do think it is a handheld/home console.Also it seems like some 3rd parties know what it is.I do think about September to November show off.Or the will wait until January.

@Yorumi Don't get me started. I've spent months trying to figure out what this special and new thing of NX is supposed to be (ask @rjejr) but I've decided to let it go and let myself be pleasantly (I hope) surprised.

Unless it's a crappy tablet with detachable controllers and a kickstand, in which case I'll be done with Nintendo, regardless of what great games I might be able to play on that doohickey. It's just not what I want from them. I want a REAL console, with NORMAL and good controls, like they used to make, and I would also appreciate it if it had a decent helping of third party support.

They'll never get them all, but more should be possible. Let's just hope that whatever kind of hardware it is, that it will indeed be developer friendly and capable, and then we'll see what happens.

And maybe, MAYBE even this hybrid detester will reconsider somewhere along the line...

Oh. and if you for some reason DO still would like to see a list of possible special things that it might offer, just take a look at this page...

@yomanation If they wait until Jan. they will not affect Christmas sales of the 3ds.(the wii u is a lost cause)
But with pokemon will sell anyway.
But it dose seam like a show off in the next 2 weeks is highly likely
I give a 30%-50% of a show off
It will go down from there
The animal crossing direct is most likely a October or November thing.

@Ryu_Niiyama "Yoshi's Wooly World will help with your blood pressure? It is hard to stay mad when playing that game."

As long as I play in "Mellow mode" w/ my wooly Yoshi amiibo as a helper the game was great, but I'm not very good at 2D platforming on my own. Really looking forward to the next 3D Mario game. Not SM3DL 3D, Sunshine and Galaxy 3D. It's been a long time since SM3DW, surely they must be almost done w/ a new one by now.

@yomanation Well, that is your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but I respectfully choose to disagree. Currently, both in aesthetics as well as in gameplay mechanics, there are quite a few games on handhelds that are really fitting for that medium and wouldn't translate well to the big screen, and vice versa for a number of big budget titles, that would just look underwhelming on a small screen and would have to miss the superior controls of a dedicated controller, if the NX handheld/hybrid is going to be anything remotely resembling the 3DS as far as control scheme is concerned.
Or give this video a go. He's a bit generous in the F-bomb department, but otherwise some decent points:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SBzz3n4iUM

@andrew20 "The animal crossing direct is most likely a October or November thing."

November 2nd. Nintendo announces a Nintendo Direct for a update for a 3 year old game 2 months in advance, but a Nitneod Direct for a new console or 2, well that can wait until whenever.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/09/animal_crossing_mini_nintendo_direct_confirmed_for_2nd_november_in_japan

@ThanosReXXX
In this economy, in this market, there’s no room for a third “Real” console, specially with so many competitors out there, it’s not just Microsoft or Sony, PC manufacturers are also in, I can buy an Alienware console that completely destroys PS and XBox in terms of power, catalogue, and price.

Nintendo NEEDS to be different this time if they want to succeed, they need to appeal to a bigger market, no just the shrinking console crowd.

@rjejr IT WAS BLACK AND BLUE! NOT WHITE AND GOLD

THERE! ARE! FOUR! PLANKS!

@ThanosReXXX I just want Nintendo to keep the design of the Pro Controller forever. It is the most comfortable controller I have ever used. I do want to try the XBox Elite.

@yomanation You seriously don't believe Mario Kart or SSMB Wii U are AAA games?

@Arcamenel I hope its at least 300$ system

@UmbreonsPapa they are what world u live in

@Laki2 Don't misunderstand me, I'm all for them being different. The Wii U is also different, and yet it is still a real home console. That point is made regardless of it's current situation, by the way. Just emphasizing what I meant to say.

Nintendo will never be what is deemed normal, but that doesn't mean that they will have to bow out of their own market and only focus on handheld devices, or God forbid: hybrids. I've said it before, and I will say it again: that would give us a REALLY mixed bag of experiences.

On the one hand it could very well be the most powerful handheld ever made, making a somewhat realistic guess that it could be on par with or even slightly better than a Wii U, regardless of what chipset will be used, since both Nvidia's Tegra line as well as DMPs M3000 line is more powerful than Wii U.

But on the other hand, you would get a home console experience that will be far beneath what the others can offer, especially with the new upgrades of these consoles on the horizon. And no amount of upscaling by any self-powered dock or SCD can compensate for that, unless we're talking about a $300 - $400 device with a LOT of additional components in it, and that just doesn't sound like something Nintendo would do.

And Kimishima said that they would not sell NX at a loss, but the device would definitely be affordable. Now it may just be my interpretation, but to me (and I am a Sales professional myself) there is a HUGE difference between cheap and affordable.

The first meaning plastic toy and the second one meaning a decent price, yet absolutely worth the money. And that could also mean a serious device with at least some oomph under the hood.

I personally believe that a $300 - $400 price point isn't unthinkable, especially if it ticks the most important boxes.

@ziffy The Xbox Elite is a great controller. Quite possibly the best one that money can currently buy. And yes, I would certainly welcome Nintendo's alternative for that controller, which would be an evolution of the Wii U's Pro Controller.

If the NX is really the hybrid it's rumored to be, where all the games can be played on the go or on the TV, then maybe finally people can stop clamoring for a "proper console Pokémon game".

@Lizuka I wholeheartedly agree with you, all this "You're going to love this!"-stuff is getting old, Nintendo should back it up with a reveal already before people get bored with the vagueness and drift off to devices that are at least, you know, defined in function...

@Equinox What about that elephant game they released that never game to Wii U or 3DS?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tembo_the_Badass_Elephant

It's a handheld that you can connect to a TV, I don't get all the fuss or see it as some big game changer. Nintendo have been skirting around this idea for about 20 years and Sony to a much lesser extent for about 10 so forgive me if I don't think this is an amazing new concept. I'm not saying it'll be rubbish, it could be very good but let's not pretend that a handheld that can connect to a TV is some kind of revolutionary technology

Not really confirmed as hybrid is it

Be it a single hybrid device or multiple devices making up a single "platform", the Pokémon Company CEO's statement in any case means that the NX will be "a unified platform"

i've got the perfect name for the NX: Shrodinger's System.

@ziffy Maybe Nintendo can name a NX hybrid "Nintendo Dress". For some people it's a home console, for others it's a handheld. No worse than Wii U or NEW 3DS.

well its a hybrid no doubt

Not surprising that a Pokemon game coming on a new Nintendo system, but I'm ready to see what this darn NX is already.

The NX is a lie.

I would be thrilled if the NX plays 3DS games, especially if it meant more 3DS titles would be published for 2-3 more years.

At this point my cup runneth over. I wouldn't be surprised if NX was nothing more than an announcement that Nintendo is going 3rd party. Too much mystery for me equals too much hype equals possible letdown. I actually don't care as I once did about Nintendo. If they want me back as a customer, announce the damn thing and blow my mind with the new concept. Otherwise I'll stick with PC gaming.

Hybrid confirmed. Now just show the freaking thing off.

"what it means to be a home console device or a hand-held device"
So, in other words, it could be either or both. Nothing confirmed.

I like the thought if it being both handheld and d console. But I hope they don't abandon 2d games. I like top down Zelda's and side scrolling Mario and Metroid.

Hybrid inbound.

@yomanation No I'm not. Guess we had a bit of a miscommunication there. In short, multiple devices, shared OS and game cartridges is what I am thinking. If that is what you also feel it will be like, then we actually agree.

@Xaessya Actually, the quote for NX is not that it will change the way we'll play games...

"The NX is trying to change the concept of what it means to be a home console device or a hand-held device," is what he said.

Well if it is exactly what Eurogamer said and shown it was then it will be a massive Flop.And I for first time since 1983 iwill not buy this.Im hoping the NX has choices not forced to buy portable side of it that quite few will not use.If it's 6inch screen or bit less who going to carry that with them.on the Go.Nobody is the answer.Who have you seen carry there 3DS ouside hardly anybody.It's hybrid portable but kept in house.And nodoby is going to sacrifice there smartphone and carry this as well,absolutely no chance.

@yomanation If it is As Eurogamer said in text and pictures with detachable controlers.Then this will be a huge desatser.As it's been done and I'm not going to buy a for most part a portable hybrid screen I will not use or noway take on Go with me and leave my Smartphone at home.

@zool Nintendo said the NX is a complete departure from Wii brand so if it is this it will fail big time

@yomanation Exactly. And that is precisely why I don't think that it is going to be one device. What is new, exciting and never been done before about that? Reinventing BOTH handheld and console actually might be something new. Guess we don't agree after all, then...

And it is hardly complicating as they have nearly always had two devices, so they're used to it. It is actually the very reason why they consolidated the two departments: to simplify the processes of sharing resources and cross-develop software in an easier, more streamlined way. Mr. Iwata's own words in one of his last quarterly reports say it all:

All this talk about the NX and what it is and what type of control scheme it is going to use makes me progressively Un-excited (Is that a word?) for the system. I don't care about control schemes I care about games. What games are we going to see and will we see returning franchises?

This is why Nintendo fell so far behind the other consoles. Because they're stuck in this cycle of trying to make new gadgets that are innovative. Ever since Miyako and Foxconn created the Wii, the culture over there has strayed from making the Nintendo exclusive games that people love, and it's migrated towards inventing the next cool new gadgets. They're chasing the success of the Wii. And for what? So they can have the next cool novelty item in the gaming market? They're not gonna "change the way people game" forever. They're just alienating themselves and game developers at the same time who are sick of having tThis is why Nintendo fell so far behind the other consoles. Because they're stuck in this cycle of trying to make new gadgets that are innovative. Ever since Miyako and Foxconn created the Wii, the culture over there has strayed from making the Nintendo exclusive games that people love, and it's migrated towards inventing the next cool new gadgets. They're chasing the success of the Wii. And for what? So they can have the next cool novelty item in the gaming market? They're not gonna "change the way people game" forever. They're just alienating themselves and frustrating game developers at the same time who are sick of having to learn Nintendo's new dev kits and port their games a 3rd time all because Nintendo is obsessed with trying to prestige themselves with new and innovative inventions. As it is, Nintendo is already losing 3rd party dev support. Some AAA developers have already said they won't make games for the NX unless it follows a more traditional format that would facilitate porting their games. Plain and simple, these AAA developers don't need the money or the hassle. It's nice to have Nintendo around, but unless you're a desperate indie developer who needs a big chance, Nintendo isn't exactly necessary anymore. I don't need to buy a whole new console just to play Zelda and Mario. I love the games but it's just not worth it. If I was gonna a spend a bunch of money on a new console it wouldn't be an NX. It would be a new PC rig or something.

I am a firm believer that the NX will be a family of products or part of a family of products, as Mr. Iwata has stated in quarterly reports from 2 years ago. However, it appears increasingly likely that the NX device that will be released in March 2017 will be a handheld-console hybrid. Rumors suggest that the device will be more handheld than console, given that it will supposedly be powered by a mobile processor (Tegra) and will be much 'cheaper than most expect.'

For those who enjoy consoles and dislike handhelds, this is probably disheartening to hear, but it makes sense. Nintendo's console market is currently in shambles and has hit an all time low. Meanwhile, despite stiff competition from mobile gaming, Nintendo's handheld market is far healthier and is actually undergoing a recent resurgence thanks to the launch of Pokémon Go. Nintendo probably wants the NX to enjoy that same boost from Pokémon Go (and Nintendo's future mobile games), and that would likely require the NX to be portable in a pretty big way.

None of the rumors that have been pouring out suggests that Nintendo will completely abandon making more traditional home console s. Nintendo could very well release a dedicated, non-portable console later in 2017 or even 2018. But right now, it appears the NX will not be that.

I'm always down for the hybrid idea, and love that official further hints the concept.

Still though, I'm sure all of us expected to know what the damn thing is by now.

@yomanation Well, you see: the thing is that there is no case here of "every piece of evidence suggesting it's just a singular device", let alone a hybrid.

If you think that there is, then please show me that evidence. And I don't mean anything circumstantial, based on conjecture or people saying they have "reliable sources" regardless if they are reputable websites or not.

I'm looking for a piece of tangible evidence that speaks volumes for either a hybrid or a single device powered by Nvidia, and there just isn't any.

Mind you, evidence for the other side, being two separate devices possibly powered by AMD and DMP for the console and handheld respectively isn't much more tangible in and of itself, and could also be accused of being well within the realms of conjecture, BUT...

Circumstances and goings on surrounding these specific parties actually do result in tangible (if currently still indirect) evidence that at the very least points to being related to Nintendo, whereas Nvidia is decidedly quiet on anything gaming related.

I can name you all the facts, but you probably know all of them already, so I won't bore you with that.

But I've done my homework: I did my own research because I was getting tired of all these rumors, talked to people in the business, much like so many of these websites (just for your frame of reference on this: I'm a 46yo IT Sales & Marketing professional and I have my own company and I have a considerable network with people in companies like HP, Microsoft, Google and so on. And these people know people which is how I at one point ended up getting into contact with a couple of very interesting people. Anyways, moving on... )

"What I think Iwata was referring to is that they are streamlining their asset pipeline to make everything more portable, more cross platform, among Nintendo platforms, if you will.

His intention in that wasn't to inform anybody about the new platform. It was a statement that was meant to ensure investors that they are making an effort to be more efficient. "

Good thing that you said "I think"...

I have no idea what your background is, but I can honestly say that I know how businesses are run, how business financials work and to what degree strategies and plans in quarterly reports are indicative of actual steps to be taken going forward.

And for the shareholders, they need to be crystal clear, if not clearer, with their intentions for the new quarter and or financial year to come, so they CANNOT mince words or be ambiguous in these kinds of official reports.

I can't speak for other people, but I myself am not reading between lines or trying to find some special meaning to the words to make it fit my theory.

You did go in the right direction in the beginning, concerning the whole streamlining and making things more portable thing, but not concerning the new platform or the statement. That is: depending on the interpretation of the word platform.

Mr. Iwata has said multiple times, and very clearly, that he wanted Nintendo to become more like Apple or even Android, and what he meant by that was the whole shared architecture/OS/ecosystem across multiple devices. (the "like brothers" statement, also pretty clear if you actually read and understand what it says).

The picture with the quotes I posted above, is an exact copy of what it says in the quarterly report. It is only made bold, colorized and underlined to make the essential parts of it stand out.

I just read them EXACTLY as they were written, and there is no misunderstanding Mr. Iwata's words. The original document where the quotes are taken from, is here:
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/130131/05.html
Last paragraph on that page.

Things like:
"What we mean by integrating platforms is not integrating handhelds devices and home consoles to make only one machine. What we are aiming at is to integrate the architecture to form a common basis for software development so that we can make software assets more transferrable, and operating systems and their build-in applications more portable, regardless of form factor or performance of each platform."
can in no way be misconstrued to mean "single device" or "hybrid".

And no offense, but people that think that, either need to learn to read, or are indeed looking for more than what is actually said:

"Not integrating devices to make only one machine"
Seems pretty damn transparent to me...

"Form a common basis to make software more transferrable"
If you only have one system, nothing needs to be transferred...

"Regardless of form factor or performance of EACH platform"
Why say that when there is only one platform/system?

And that is only one page of one report. There are three reports relevant to NX, and all of them are full of crystal clear statements like this. Does that mean that they couldn't have changed some stuff along the way? No, it doesn't, but the overall idea or strategy behind it will have remained the same for the most part.

You can't just up and go an rewrite an entire business plan within such a short amount of time, let alone throw away all the money that you would probably have already invested in it...

Didn't say what kind of games, or even when those games would be released. Anyone that thinks they'll be playing main series Pokemon games exclusively on NX next year are fooling themselves. Game Freak isn't going to drop the XY engine after only 3 games when they got 5 out of their previous engine. They aren't going to miss out on millions of sales and revenue.

At this point it doesn't even matter what NX is. There's been so much drawn out speculation and rumor mining that ANY announcement will underwhelm.

THAT'S the single fact that I'm amazed Nintendo continues to not realize/give no f**ks about.

XBox One has been filling my gaming needs this past year (and I'm a day one Wii U owner). I also don't care to lug around anything else with me outside of the house except for my smart phone.

@3MonthBeef I thought (in my boundless naiveté) that something with the words "Nintendo NX will 'change the concept' of gaming" in the title might just elaborate a slight bit on that claim, foolish of me, i know...

Still getting increasingly tired of this "We know something you don't know!"-routine of Nintendo all the same.

For goodness sakes! When are they going to formally the NX?!

@blinder2 they also said that the NX is not replacing the Wii U, so it must be something that works with the Wii U.

Sorry I just don't understand that.We All kown Wii U was a huge sells desatser and nintendo fully must kown this.Why would The big Nintendo design nx to work with Wii u when it's dead.And as said the big N new man in charge stated many times and I quote.I can asure you the NX has got nothing to do with Wii brand we are moving away from that with new product

@HappyMaskedGuy
Don't worry. I'm in your side. There are still some gamers, especially adult gamer that can appreciate cute, whimsical and colorful games from Nintendo. I believe NX will be so colorful as ever and for those pathetic gamers that said NX will be doomed, they will lick their spit when they're temptated by NX.

So it's pretty much the Neo Geo X, or Nintendo's answer to Playstation remote play? Wow, what a highly original idea. It really will change the concept of handheld & console gaming......in Japan. Can't wait for my console games to be gimped so that the 3 people who still carry handheld consoles stay happy. Remote play is the key reason the PS4 is king after all!

@Mintendo
Nope. NX is not a LIE. Look at this thread.

@yomanation It seems that you keep misunderstanding me. I agreed with your very first comment on the two devices being able to share software, but then you went off in the direction of hybrid and explaining away or interpreting financial reports.

If they would now release a handheld/hybrid and later on a dedicated home console, then that would not contradict Iwata's words at all, because he is VERY clear about code name NX being a shared environment across multiple devices, much like Apple or Android offers.

But I personally don't think it will really be a hybrid, but more a dedicated handheld with additional functionalities, that you can also connect to your TV, whether that will be with a cable or a dock is not that important for the discussion, but like most EuroGamer opposers have always said: it can be true, but it just misses a lot of stuff.

And that is why it could very well only be part of the story, and that is where your current comment comes in: another device might be coming later on, also sharing the same ecosystem and OS.

Having said all that, I personally think that if there are multiple devices, that they should release the home console first, and not the connect-to-TV handheld.

But it would be smart to reveal them both or explain what is going to happen in the coming year once they decide to do the reveal either this week or in the first half of October.

Words mean what you want them to mean. Unless they don't.

@daveh30 and that's why you buy a powerful PC. Then you can play a majority of 3rd party games and really great indie games, not to mention Humble Bundle is great for getting a lot of games quickly. And humblestore.com, Steam, GOGGalaxy, and more have giant sales everyday.

I don't need a Playstation or Xbox One, only thing there to convince me otherwise is their games. My $465 GPU is much more powerful than what they offer.

And VR is a joke right now, I feel sorry for those that buy the Playstation VR.

@yomanation Well, at least we're closing in on some common ground here, which is nice, even if it isn't necessary.

Personally, I'm not seeing NX as a strategy but more as that ecosystem that I previously mentioned: the shared OS/environment that can be run on multiple devices, also in order to be able to share games. So to me, NX is more of an idea, a concept or a framework, if you will.

Agreed on a single device being released first, but like I told others, even if the handheld comes first, and it has some options to connect it to the TV, then that still would not have to mean that it is a hybrid.

It would simply be a handheld with a TV out that you can pair a couple of controllers with so you can play on the big screen.

A hybrid would be a full-on two in one device, and in the case of a video game system, that would have to be a full fledged home console inside of a handheld form factor.

Cost and space constrictions will prevent that one from becoming a reality, unless it is going to have a REALLY weak home console component, and here's hoping that's not going to be the case...

By the way: have you looked into XilinX, Vulkan API and how they keep popping up together? And DMP, the provider of all of Nintendo's current handheld SoC's, is also often mentioned in relation to these two.

Most recently at the CEDEC2016 and SNUG2016 events. No coincidence, methinks...

As for the release windows: if they are going to reveal that NX is indeed a shared environment, then they may even reveal what device will be coming next. If a console is coming first, then I don't think it is all that unrealistic to expect a handheld to arrive either at the end of 2017 or beginning of 2018, so that could follow pretty quickly.

The other way around might be a different story, so releasing a handheld first might not mean that a console will follow shortly after. Unless both have been developed simultaneously, in which case it won't matter for either scenario.

And come to think of it, that could also be what the whole consolidating of departments was also for: simultaneous development of software as well as hardware...

@yomanation "powerful for a handheld, weak for a console"

And that is EXACTLY what I'm afraid of. And it will not sell to those people that are looking for a genuine home console experience from Nintendo. Not everyone is interested in a handheld, let alone one that you connect to the TV.

And price is a concern, but if it delivers, it's not. The price must be something that gives you your money's worth, and even if that means that the price will be $399,- then that still won't be an obstacle.

Logically, if you take away that value, then the price will be much too steep for what you're going to get, so we need to tip the scale the other way.

Now, here's where a funny thing happens in perception of a target audience (something that I once had to study ad nauseam):
Make it just slightly less expensive and it will either still be seen as not enough value for money or you could reach a sort of tipping point in which consumers will enter into a sort of, let's call it a "fair enough" frame of mind, where they actually wished it was cheaper, but even though that's the case, they will still buy it regardless, simply because they want it.

Now, taking it one step further, and making it REALLY cheap is just as much a danger as making it too expensive, if not more so. Cheap means weak or worse than similar products in the eyes of many consumers, once again throwing Nintendo in the corner with all the kiddie stuff, sat on a shelf in between Fisher Price and My First Sony or Vtech devices.

Not too long ago, Mr. Kimishima stated that they wanted to sell NX at an affordable price, but they weren't going to sell at a loss.

You could immediately read that as: "well, see? what did I tell you? it's going to be cheap" but at least in my profession, there is a HUGE, no MASSIVE difference between affordable and cheap.

Cheap is that plastic kid's toy that I mentioned earlier, affordable is the category within the tipping point area, where it offers enough value for money for most of the buyers and where some will also buy it because it's not expensive enough not to buy it.

And personally, I don't think it's going to be Nvidia either. Far as I can tell, there is a LOT more proof, no: there is only proof that it is going to be a DMP SoC. Nvidia has no documents, only "confirmations" from anonymous sources and hear say.

Nvidia has shown nothing, and they were also at CEDEC2016 together with the other parties I mentioned in my previous comment, and once again, it was all higher learning and automotive application.

And not to mention that it has occurred before that people (aka EuroGamer) thought that there was going to be an Nvidia chip in a Nintendo handheld...

@yomanation A small nuance in the beginning of the comment there: the misunderstanding we are having is partly my fault because that price point I mentioned is assuming it is a home console, and for that, a $399 price point won't be an issue, as long as it delivers that value for money that I was talking about.

And of course it will be a custom chip: the current DMP chips that are in the 3DS handhelds are also not the standard SoC's.

And EuroGamer actually IS saying that it's going to be Nvidia, as if it is all but confirmed, so we don't agree there.
See for yourself:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nintendo-nx-mobile-games-machine-powered-by-nvidia-tegra
They are using all kinds of definite terms and certainties.

And this was them back when the rumors concerned the original 3DS:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ds2-vs-psp2-article
Same writer, same certainties. Seems like a pattern...

Only difference being that back then, they at least had the sensibility to put "in theory" in the title...

I do agree on the issue with the current user base numbers of the Wii U and the percentage of it that doesn't play on handhelds, but even if that is only 5 or 6 million, then that is still a whole lot of money if you could have sold these people a $399 home console.

You can't just go and ignore that part of the target group or cut into your own profit margins by not willing to cater to these people.

Sure, they may have around 40 to 50 million former 3DS users, but it will still mean making your overall target audience a couple of million smaller, which should never be a goal if you're in the business of making money.

And while I was typing this, another thing occurred to me: the 3DS is, as we now know, supported well into the next year, so why jeopardize that by putting another handheld on the market that can even offer additional functionalities, such as being a semi-home console? And probably way more powerful than the 3DS too.

And another thing I have already proposed long ago, is that if it uses the same type of cartridges, then it might very well be backward compatible with 3DS games too, especially if it is indeed going to use a DMP SoC, making the 3DS instantly redundant.

Not a smart thing to do, in my opinion. And otherwise they might delay it until support for 3DS will start to decline, which would then make the NX release be somewhere around this time next year.

That is not a problem that they would have if the first NX device to be released is actually a home console, which would pose no danger at all to the 3DS... Just saying...

Things to consider until Nintendo FINALLY decides to give us the actual information...

@yomanation Agreed for the most part, except that part about "You would actually need to create content for that $399 home console" which I already tackled in my whole value for money statement in comment #204, and of course, talking from the point of view that it actually is a true home console and not a hybrid semi-home console.

But one thing you didn't react to is my point on the new handheld/hybrid possibly affecting the 3DS if the new one is indeed released in March 2017 and the 3DS is also still actively supported until well into the next year. What's your stance on that then?

And also consider the other points I proposed then, such as the possibility that the new system might be compatible with 3DS cartridges.

@yomanation So, in short, you don't think that the NX, if it's going to be a handheld hybrid, is going to eat into the sales of the 3DS and speed up its demise if they are going to be on the market at the same time? (regardless of how short of a period that is going to be)

@yomanation That was the first thing on my mind too: giving it that third pillar spin again. Well, we all know how that went the last time...

Good discussion, always nice to be able to add another intelligent person to my short list on NLife.

And since we are discussing form factor and all that, I will have to share the latest fact findings with you, once again not pointing at a hybrid, so make of that what you will, but it is interesting nonetheless:
http://happynintendofan.blogspot.nl/2016/09/nx-multi-platform-project-home-console.html

And GameSpot did an interview with Ubisoft's Yves Guillemot, and he calls NX a "fantastic machine".
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ubisoft-ceo-talks-nintendo-nx-and-advantages-of-ne/1100-6443802/
That by itself isn't all that remarkable, because that could just be another word for device or system, but notice how he mentions other machines and all of them are home consoles, so put into the context of all of that...

@Elkaki123 I just revealed the NX's real name as the iphone 7SNES... and you didn't sense any sarcasm? None, at all?

@yomanation Of course everybody has a right to an opinion, but why are you thinking that? I have spoken with him and I have also put him under a microscope. He is a VERY down to Earth and smart guy and has a very solid background in IT and software development.

He is a level 2 software engineer working for the Dutch government, and in that position he has access to a lot of high level contacts in the business throughout Europe, which in turn, can quite easily bring him into contact with people in the gaming industry, and he does deliver proof, a ton of it actually, both in his videos and on his Twitter feed.

Just a small example: he had already predicted a specific Indie game and spoken to the developer TWO weeks before news on the developer making a game for the NX was posted here.

I even have some of his proof in my private inbox, but I'm not going to share that because it's confidential.

But in general, all he does is more or less the same as what I do, and that is to take what little is known, look for clues that are ACTUALLY there and use deductive reasoning to put it all together, instead of just taking someone's word for it because they own a website or are a professional person. I have my own company and I'm also a trustworthy professional, but that in and of itself says NOTHING.

Personally, I don't care whether you're a John Doe or the Pope, I need proof or tangible evidence and I'm not going to just believe you because you say so or because you have so-called "reliable" sources.

HNF also cites sources, but also shares a number of details or information from those sources, and not just in his own words but also in screen shots from conversations and emails that he has with/from them.

All you have to do is ask him, although he won't share with just anybody, obviously.

And besides all that, I myself have also used my own contacts in the IT industry to reach out to people and I've talked to a developer that is actually pretty high up, and he also told me that NX is a very capable system and that it is NOT a hybrid.

So, you are free to believe what you want to believe, but I'm highly opposed to calling people a fraud based on nothing but opinion, unless it's supported by evidence. No offense, but that's just how I feel about that.

@yomanation As far as EuroGamer is concerned, we probably aren't going to agree any time soon. The fact alone that this new "confirmed" article is written by the exact same writer that made the mistake with the 3DS is more than enough reason for me to seriously doubt the veracity of his claims.

And IGN is one of the worst websites on the net, with tons upon tons of biased reviews and articles, so I don't care about their reputation or opinions AT ALL.

As for your question: I really don't believe any game media journalist has THAT much more contacts in the business, let alone contacts that are willing to leak regardless of any NDA they might be under. Leakers, or secret spillers if you will are nine out of ten times the same people.

Much like that FoxConn employee that recently leaked the design of the PS4 Slim, who has also done stuff like that before.

Especially smaller developers are hard to persuade, even more so when they are new developers for a platform, because they wouldn't want to rub their new contractor the wrong way.

And I'd be genuinely interested to know why you think that HNF's information is not accurate, as it is more than likely coming from the very same selection of leaking developers that all these websites get their info from.

And my own research confirms his claims, and I've spoken to someone at Ubisoft, so to me, he is a decent source of probable information, because I know now, after having researched the man himself as well (which is why I know where he works and what he does, even though he didn't tell me himself) that he is a serious professional with a very thorough work ethic, so he wouldn't post the info if he didn't believe it himself or if he would have doubts about the source that it's coming from.

I also found out that another way for him to get into contact with people close to Nintendo is because his brother is a famous Smash Bros tournament player called Mr. R.

He is constantly in the top 3 of the worldwide ranking, and as such he travels all over the world to play against other professional gamers. And his brother goes with him from time to time, and on these events, there are also people that know people and at times, his brother is also invited to other, non-Smash Bros related events, because of his status.

So, even if HNF doesn't tag along (seeing as he works for the government, that will probably also not always be possible) he can still be privy to some information if his brother gathers it for him.

And I can also take myself as an example: as a sales & marketing professional that has worked for HP and has done large projects/assigments for both Microsoft and Google, I am confident in saying that I know people and have people in my LinkedIn network that are CONSIDERABLY higher on the decision making ladder than any people that any game site will EVER have in their network of direct contacts, and I'm not embellishing or grandstanding.

They may have an interview with a couple of CEO's here and there, but that's about it, so I wouldn't put too much weight on bloggers vs websites, depending on their daily occupation of course. Like if they aren't in any way connected to the business or something, in which case it's also far less likely for them to have any relevant contacts. But people like me and HNF have access to more than plenty of such people...

So, to summarize, I'll just repeat what I've said before:

I don't care who you are or what your reputation is, as long as you don't give me any tangible or verifiable proof or source, then I'm not just going to believe you, simply because you say so.

@yomanation I'm kind of deciding if we need to drop this topic or kindly suggest that you look into some stuff some more before judging. Like I said: HNF actually DOES offer proof and information, and the nice thing is that it is information accessible to EVERYBODY. You really do put WAY too much stock in reputations of websites and their journalists. At the end of the day, they are no better than someone who may not have a website, but can still have access to the same connections that they are using, like I myself have also done.

And like HNF, I have also come up with proof, whereas IGN or EuroGamer haven't. They only claim to know or have sources and ask for us to believe them based on hearsay. And all the other sites that mention the same stuff are only piggy-backing off of what EuroGamer or IGN has found.

And I'm not saying that it can't be true, but what I am inclined to believe is that it is only part of the story, so the hybrid or portable console is only a component of the whole NX ecosystem/range/family or whatever label you want to give it.

And DMP can very easily be true based upon facts, I don't even need HNF's claims for that. DMP have a current relationship with Nintendo because of the 3DS, New 3DS and 2DS for which they have also supplied the SoC's and they have recently acquired a semi-custom design win in gaming, destined for a device to be released in Q1 2017. I wonder which device that could be...

And I could also paint a similar picture for you concerning the home console based on facts and things going on in the industry.

Two other things: First off, I and many others on here only laugh at Reggie's statements. He is full of marketing blurb and only wants to divert attention. He is nearly always contradicting himself. It would actually take a considerable effort to produce something that is weaker than current gen consoles, and second: the new low end AMD range offers cards at around $149 MSRP that achieve almost PS4 Pro levels of power.

And that is a consumer price point, so purchasing price at the amounts that a console manufacturer would need, which would be an initial order for at least 10 million cards, will almost certainly drop that price to around $99 (ex. VAT) or even less.

@yomanation Well, simple: for the same reason why AMD still hasn't revealed its final semi-custom design win: NDA's. Nintendo is notoriously famous for being tight-lipped about the hardware they use, and as far as I can remember, it has always been up to other people to disassemble the hardware and find out what is actually inside.

The other parties LOVE to talk about their chipsets and other hardware, Nintendo definitely doesn't. And to me personally, that is more what Reggie was alluding to. Nothing he said excludes a decent piece of hardware. I'm not expecting anything from them that will destroy the PS4 Pro, let alone the Xbox Scorpio, but something in the same range as the standard PS4 should be possible.

And no, DMP being equal to Tegra X1 does not render EuroGamer's rumor correct. An interesting detail that I forgot to mention (sorry, my bad) in the comment where I mentioned their HUMONGOUS blunder concerning the original 3DS, was that the dev kits for the 3DS were indeed using an offshoot of a Tegra chip, and there were some plans to put a Tegra 2 in the final design, but because of quite a few problems, excessive overheating being the prime offender, they opted for DMP instead. But the dev kit didn't have that problem because it was obviously a different form factor without the cooling issues.

The Tegra 2, much like the X1, was a more powerful chip than the DMP one, and this is important to mention. Why? Because dev kits are nearly always more powerful than the final hardware because the dev kit needs to be able to handle playing around with game assets and assembling other components that are ported from workstations to the kits.

And both Tegra and DMP are ARM based, so the architecture is similar, and the dev kits need a more powerful chip that is able to emulate the actual chip going into the final hardware. Solution: use the Tegra X1 to emulate the weaker M3000 so developers can start making games while the M3000 is still in production. Stats on their performance are already known, so developers will know how far they can go on these dev kits. Might even be that they can underclock the Tegra X1 in these dev kits to simulate the M3000.

Taking all that into account, it is once again very likely that Nintendo chose Nvidia for its dev kit, but they will stay with their current partner DMP for the final design. And why would they part ways if they are so very satisfied with the collaboration? And I don't think that Nvidia is able to come up with a chip in the same price range as the M3000.

And besides that, I would seriously have to wonder if it was going to be a custom chip based on the X1 in the first place, since that is already an outdated chip.

The old Nintendo wouldn't mind, as most people would say, because they've always used older tech to create new hardware, but they have supposedly changed their strategy and using ARM and AMD to be more developer-friendly seems to be the ticket.

The DMP even has some special techniques that the Tegra chip doesn't, even though it's more powerful. And more importantly, the Tegra still has overheating issues, and the DMP achieves almost the same power but with less energy, and that is something that comes in handy for a portable device.

And it's anybody's guess why major news outlets haven't reported on it. In my opinion that is in part because of all the piggy-backing or maybe because most media are not aware that DMP is now also manufacturing hardware that is HD capable, so they might be thinking that the new handheld/hybrid needs powerful hardware and that a DMP SoC may not qualify, who knows?

Quite a few Asian sites are reporting on it, also mentioning NX, but here in the West, only forum sites like Reddit and NeoGAF are mentioning it, so there must be something to it that makes mainstream media decide against reporting on it.

And the weird thing is that their design win isn't secret, so the info is out in the open. And seeing as they only have Nintendo as a client in the gaming industry, it truly does seem all but confirmed that their design win is for a Nintendo handheld.

It amazes me too, so I can only speculate on why there is no news on that in any Western publication.

Maybe it could also be because DMP isn't doing a whole lot of marketing and commercials outside of Japan, contrary to Nvidia, which is a very visible company.

But besides Nintendo, DMP has some really big customers in the photo camera business (Fujitsu, Fujifilm and Olympus), so in Japan, they are certainly not seen as a small player.

And they also have Renesas as a client. Renesas is a big player in USB port/flash micro controller technology and semi-conductor system solutions.

https://www.altera.com/solutions/partners/partner-profile/digital-media-professionals-inc-.html

@yomanation Agreed on the Tegra X1 and custom chip design, but that is where I direct you back to DMP again, because the chip they made, is specifically for gaming, so I don't know if that needs a lot more customization. And like I showed you before, Nintendo is their only client in gaming...

"are you suggesting that NX will have a handheld with a DMP M3000 series SoC as well as an AMD powered home console?"

Yes, that's indeed what I'm suggesting, except not quite like how and/or what you are thinking...

Here's my idea: a normal home console and a normal handheld, just like always. And not as one package bundled together.

There will be a controller that incorporates the Wii U tech (like Iwata wanted) so that you can also play the Wii U remakes that are reportedly coming to NX, and as a bonus, this new controller will do what the Wii U couldn't, and that is play outside of your house, by using the streaming tech from XilinX.

I suspect the home console with the streaming controller to be released first, and the dedicated handheld later in 2017 or Q1 2018, to replace the 3DS.

The price point you mentioned is also what I was thinking it would be, and it would be an okay price for a home console with PS4 or slightly above power, that special controller and that would be the added value. And in the future, you would have two additions: the dedicated handheld, with the added benefit of both being able to run 3DS cartridges but also capable of sharing NX game cartridges with the home console, and finally, to tackle the whole PS4 Pro and/or Xbox Scorpio issue, they will release the SCD's, probably also somewhere in that window of Q4 2017 - Q1 2018.

And yes, the SCD's are for real. It's literally the ONLY patent of the entire list that we have seen over the last two years that has been fully cleared for completion, granted and paid for by Nintendo.

You don't do that if you aren't going to do anything with the tech. From the other patents, they will only use elements that are described therein, but not the entire concept.

Heck, even IGN says that the SCD's are a thing, but I was already sure of that myself, so that they also say this means nothing to me, but it might add some credibility in your opinion, I don't know.

And the PS4 Pro is no threat, not power-wise and not price-wise, because it doesn't deliver the same experience, and we all know that it is confirmed that the baseline for developers is still the standard model PS4, so there will be no special PS4 Pro games.

Some games will look better on Pro, and newer games will reportedly have extra assets to make them look even better than upscaled games, but that's about it. And just in case you were going there in your mind: the same goes for the Scorpio.

And it is sound logic from both parties: you wouldn't want to alienate your existing user base by telling them that certain games can only be played on the newer model Xbox or Playstation, which is why they have decided that even newer games must be able to run on the basic models of these two consoles as well.

Which means that if the NX is of the same power level as the standard PS4, it will be more than fine, especially if it is also going to use x86 architecture. And later on, while Xbox and Playstation owners might be persuaded to trade in their old console for one of the more powerful versions, NX owners will simply be able to add power to their original NX by buying an SCD, which realistically speaking shouldn't cost more than $200 at most, probably even less.

All it needs is an extra CPU, GPU, memory and a network card.

But why don't you join me and the rest of the merry band of conspiracy theorists over in this thread:
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/08/we_have_to_do_a_better_job_of_explaining_the_uniqueness_of_nx_admits_reggie

Because I'm talking about the same thing twice now...

If you're inclined to know where the current discussion started in that article and don't mind reading some longer comments between me and a couple of others, then look no further than comment nr. #240...

See you there, maybe.

@yomanation P.S. You also might want to watch this video first before we talk anymore about the ominous presence of the PS4 Pro, because what is known so far, really doesn't paint an all too threatening picture, not to mention that reception has been decidedly tepid after the official presentation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXkUO7YD6ws

@yomanation He actually said OR, not and. NLife misquoted him in the title of the article they made of that, although it is written correctly in the article itself.

And it means nothing in regards to a hybrid or anything remotely what EuroGamer proposes. To me, and many others, it simply means that Nintendo will change the way how we traditionally look at what a handheld or a home console should or could be capable of. But that neither confirms nor excludes anything, so in actuality, it's a rather empty statement.

I would almost say that it could also have come from Reggie...

But an example maybe, to clarify: even what I proposed as an idea is already more than different enough to change the way we can look at traditional home consoles and handhelds.

And if the console has cartridges that can be shared with the handheld, then that too is already different enough to qualify, and the list goes on.

But knowing Nintendo, there's more to it, and even if people like HNF would be right about everything (which I also don't believe, although I do think he's close based upon my own findings) then there will STILL be something left that hasn't been leaked and will probably surprise us all, and hopefully in a good way...

Well, I'm going over to that other topic now that I linked to you, you're welcome to join us. There are about 4 other like-minded people there, so could be interesting and fun to add you to it.

But this was me for today, cause it's in the middle of the night over here, so I'm off to bed. Cheers.

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