We Have To Do A Better Job Of Explaining The Uniqueness Of NX, Admits Reggie

So, US Nintendo Universal land when?

At least they are aware of the issues the wiiu had with the vast populace. Actions speak louder than words though so I hope they bring their A game with marketing the NX especially if it has some unique gimmick.

We have to do a better job of explaining the uniqueness of NX, that's why we gonna give it the official name "Wii U+"

@BakaKnight WiiU-2 confirmed

I prefer the NX name mind you

Second screen was a worthwhile concept. I hope the NX continues it somehow.

It would help if they actually...you know...talked about it

you can start by telling us if A) the NX is going to be region free, and B) if our purchases will be tied to our account instead of the console.

Yeah

Maybe stop censoring your games when going from Japan to the West and you will get better results

Did you hear that Reggie is now CEO?

I think what he says after what is this article's title is more important. All the "explaining of the uniqueness" in the world won't help you if it doesn't have great games from the start and you expect it to sell like hot cakes just because it has the Nintendo name on it. All those titles he named as reasons to buy WiiU should have been there from launch. Zelda isn't even out yet.

Wii Too would have been a better name than WiiU.
I thought that explaining a consoles abilities CLEARLY, would be the most obvious thing to do, along with way more advertising.

The new name for the NX?

Super Wii U.

If they want to keep the NX name, the Nintendo Xtreme machine.

@GrailUK
I disagree, second screen was a terrible idea.

They have to do a better job of explaining the NX' uniqueness?

Start off by telling us what the damn thing is first! >_<

They have said this at every console launch since the Gamecube. Nintendo are a company that never learn. Plus some of the BS they pull with regards to their products and business decisions is really unforgivable. It's a new board they need as well as the new system as the current lot in charge are nothing but a bunch incompetents.

I hope the NX bombs, then they'll finally wake up and go 3rd party only and release their games on PC/PS/Xbox/Mobile/Tablets, hardware that customers want to buy.

You think they ought to start by, y'know, explaining it.

["...we continue to believe that the innovation of the second screen was a worthwhile concept. The games that we've launched on the Wii U are hugely compelling: Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, Smash Bros., Bayonetta 2, the Super Mario game, The Legend of Zelda. Arguably, if you line up all of the single platform games for Wii U and the other two platforms, we have by far the most unique games that are highly rated by consumers and highly rated by the media. So those things worked."]

Was he trying to drop game titles to prove his point that "the innovation of the second screen was a worthwhile concept"? Most of those titles he mentioned, aside from MM, didn't even rely too much on the touch screen. Games like Bayonetta 2 could have been on any platform and it would have still been highly rated by games media.

I agree that 2nd screen gaming is a concept worth pursuing and I hope NX improves on it.
The thing is, apart from the GamePad concept and the 1st party games (albeit released far too slowly), the Wii U was at falter in everything else starting with its name. Marketing was almost non-existent, the IBM architecture was too exotic for nowadays developers and the hardware was under-powered for everyone other than Nintendo and Shin'en.

This sounds great, but the problem is we've heard it before. Their message about using the lessons learned with the 3DS to make it right with the Wii U sounded great too, but they didn't stick to it at all.

Reggie, he's great for the aul marketing speak. Get the finger out and show the NX and get people TALKING about it already! It's been a year and a half since you said the letters NX. Only the hardcore gaming community know about it, that's about 1% of your audience.

Still learning how to launch a console? They've been doing it the longest! Was there ever any TV advertising for Wii U? I never saw any.

@The_Dude_Abides Naw mate.

@Mario_Fart there was advertising fir the WiiU but it was all on children's channels here in Ireland. Some ads on YouTube but that's it. So generally people didn't even hear about it.

EDIT: lol, love your name!

I wouldn't call those games "hugely compelling". They sure didn't compel non-Nintendo fans to buy a Wii U, and a significant portion of your fanbase wasn't impressed with the Wii U's lineup.

Nintendo's done way more wrong than not communicate what their consoles do and have a good launch lineup. They're also not doing a good job of giving their consoles compelling features and overall satisfying their fanbase's interests or appealing to the mass market. They've made so many daft decisions over the course of this generation that they're giving people less and less reason to own Nintendo games and consoles. They have to take a step back and figure out what the fanbase wants and what the mainstream wants out of a console and go from there, not just try and force gimmicks down people's throats that don't really solve a problem.

@Mario_Fart Market is changing, so in this industry you have to learn constantly.

Well @ThanosRexxx @rjejr this sure sounds like NX is one product that is going to launch in March not 2 or 3 or a device spanning platform. "One of the things that we have to do better when we launch the NX—we have to do a better job communicating the positioning for the product."

New wii u

Starting to realize and capitalize on how Nintendo is a bigger brand than the current console and games is not only an important step that Nintendo started under Iwata but now we see it as two of four pillars of the company internally and see it playing out in movie deals, amusement parks and in the Olympics closing ceremonies. So the current Nintendo is capable of executing on the new strategies so far. Good sign.

As much as I hate waiting, I'm guessing this NX launch is going to be pretty big. One reason to put it closer to launch is that Nintendo can saturate media with advertising and get a constant conversation going. That would show a real improvement since Wii U.

After the huge reveal for Zelda I'm realizing it's still a big secret to reveal along with NX. Who doesn't want more? Pretty good stunt.

How, this interviewer did not asked for anything about the NX?? About the reveal!
Parks! Mobile! I don't care! NXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!

@Pres_Shinra Why limit yourself? I just don't get it.

Encouraging to see Bayonetta 2 being acknowledged as a pillar of a game that the Wii U was built on (now I definitely expect Bayonetta 3 on the NX). The Wii U is a real contraction, apparently so out of touch with what the mainstream public wanted, but still with so much better software than the PS4 and XB1 combined.

"We believe that as a wide swath of consumers have an experience with Fire Emblem on mobile for example, that it's going to lead them to purchase the full Fire Emblem experience"

These are very worrying words. Nintendo could own the mobile space if it so chose. Pokémon Go has demonstrated the general public haven't fallen out of love with Nintendo; they just don't want to buy a whole console for a nostalgia fix.

A full-blown Fire Emblem with the first chapter free would be a hit. A full fat Animal Crossing on mobile would be an evergreen title with all sorts of regional updates to hyper-localise it and unobtrusive IAP.

Mario vs DK is built for mobile. A straight port of Warioware Twisted would sell.

Yeah, a Xenoblade or Zelda wouldn't work on a phone, but plenty of other franchises would.

I think one of the biggest problem is that, starting with the Wii, they've been focusing too much on gimmicks. First the motion control (love or hate), then the GamePad (pretty much useless apart from off-screen and a few games) and now there are rumours about this being a hybrid. Just make a standard console that appeals to third parties and is easy to make games for. Instead of thinking "how will this work with the GamePad" they should think "this is a great idea, in it goes". They make it so much harder for themselves. I get the whole uniqueness, but sometimes the basics are the best

@GrailUK

I dont get you, and you know your opinion is the outlier right. However I will try to explain myself briefly. Regarding the gamepad i only say "value for money". Its expensive and I barely had an awesome gaming experience with it, sorry but paying more 100$ for better inventory management, constant map screen, or a couple interesting gimmick in a game is not worth it.

"Uniqueness". One of those words that will no doubt set the comments alight.

Personally I look forward to seeing what they bring.

Official Launch title confirmed by new head of marketing:

So, doomed.

But not everyone has a Smartphone, that does that mean you'll discriminate against the minority with the park rides?

The only thing this article has taught me is that, according to the picture, Reggie takes a red New Super Mario Bros lunch box to work

I would have thought timing their big NX reveal to have been at the height of the Pokemon GO hype might have been a good idea. People are talking about Nintendo because of Pokemon GO (even though they didn't make it) so I would have thought they'd want to keep that momentum going. The GO hype (and daily users) seems to be dropping off now, so they need to hurry up and announce something.

A new Nintendo system...it's gonna be awesome!

We need to see the nx before we can understand it.

At least if Nintendo get the strategy right it will stop all the experts on this site babbling their philosophies.

@Pres_Shinra
Hello..! I owned a 3DS XL and i LOVE Dual Screen concept.

Just reveal the darn thing already! I've got my Zelda money on standby.

@aaronsullivan How did you do that to me again? That so jumped out at me.

Of course the other thing that jumped out at me is that somebody should bring Reggie in for a cat scan b/c I'm pretty sure he has a tumor or something.

Wii Photo app? Seriously never heard of it.
The Mario game? NSMBU, SM3DW? Does Reggie not know the name of a Mario game?
Zelda - Wii U hasn't had a Zelda game
Fire Emblem - it's a niche, nobody outside of Nintendo fans knows what it is, nobody on mobile is going to care

The rest of the interview sounded canned, like he's been saying the same monolog up over and over in his head. Maybe Reggie has alzheimers, and I'm not joking.

On topic. Reggie has no say, he's been shoved down the corporate ladder twice now, so I can't blame him, I'm starting to pity him, he's a mouthpiece, and even he must know it's all going to heck around him.

Nintendo doesn't learn.
3DS failed in March, so NX in March
Gamepad didn't catch on, try more innovation that needs explaining

Gamers don't want innovation, they want the same dualshock controller for 20 years. (I wonder if Sony celebrated its 20th birthday yet?) Things shouldn't have to explained about the console, b/c it isn't about the hardware, it's about the software. You show the software, that sells the hardware b/c people buy it to play great games. NX isn't an end in itself, it's just a necessity to play games.

Nintendo worrying so much about NX is like a fine restaurant opening soon worrying about the plates, and not telling people what kind of food they are going to have. If you have to explain the eating utensils to people, and you don't even tell them what type of food you are going to have, your restaurant is going to fail.

Reading this interview it feels like Reggie knows all this, that he knows NX is a disaster waiting to happen, and that IP licensing and merchandising is his hope to keep things going. If Reggie ever writes his memoir, I'll bet he says NX should have been shown off much sooner with more emphasis on the games.

What I got out of all that, regarding the NX, is that it's undoubtedly going to be a system that does some very different things from it's Sony and Microsoft competitors that will require a bit of explanation to the general public. After the Wii U debacle though I have every confidence that Nintendo has taken the import of effective marketing strategies in the West to heart and will be properly explaining what exactly the NX is and how it's different from the other systems on the market when they feel that it's time to unveil it. I just hope that the unveiling comes sooner rather than later!

@psycho_punch No - he wasn't trying do that. They were separate points.

@Shard1 Not everyone has internet! Let's stop making online games!

@rjejr
Um... Remember, there are some people can EMBRACE the uniqueness of Nintendo machines. Just let Nintendo satisfy those customers by delivering UNIQUE gameplay, not by BORING and TOO MAINSTREAM gameplay like Sony and Microsoft did. There are some people can ACCEPT the Nintendo innovations. Uniqueness make Nintendo being DIFFERENT than the other competitor. Without being UNIQUE, the world just filled with SAME, FLAT, BORING lifestyle.
Oh, 3DS maybe struggled when first launching after Tsunami disaster impact 2011 ago, but now look at 3DS now (New 3DS XL). The TOP of handheld, beat both PS4 and PS Vita.

@Captain_Legs
Wii U gamepad is NOT useless. I use that for browsing Internet, Typing this comments, Listening Music or Watching Youtube videos whenever i feel bored to play. That's very handiful for me, i can't get better features from my old 3DS XL.

Gahhh, why won't they announce the reveal event time already? :--3

My bet is that they'll do it right at the start of September.

@Anti-Matter Why is that ''boring''? It's boring because it works? And what's the problem with mainstream? The Wii was arguably more mainstream than its competitors and that wasn't a problem. Trying to be unique for the sake of it, that's the problem. When even Nintendo couldn't come up with good ways to utilise the GamePad, beyond off-TV play, and when some of the Wii U's best games don't even use the second screen, then you know that the hardware was just a random idea and they spend an entire generation trying to justify the device.

rjejr has a point, when you spend more time trying to explain the system, you've done something wrong. It should be intuitive. Let the games do the innovation. And don't try to shoehorn hardware choices into the games in order to make the hardware look more appealing.

@IronSammet
Fair Enough Point, but I just think that there should be features for everyone, not just something that depends on something that someone may or may not have.

I come into Nintendolife every day, hoping for the news that a Nintendo Direct is incoming with an NX reveal. For a split second there I thought this was it.

@Shard1 Who doesn't have a smart phone these days? You'd have to actively avoid buying a phone if you don't have one.

@Octane
OK, I said 'BORING' because typical adult male gamer stereotype.
Usually gamer like that almost NEVER want to accept UNIQUE games. They still rooted on SAME BORING Mainstream games, typically football games, adult sadistic games, demonic games, boring male sports, etc and never feel COOL by using uniqueness of Nintendo. Question, how many people can EMBRACE the 'What the heck was that' or 'OMG' or Quirky games such as Tomodchi Life, Nintendogs or any Unusual Nintendo games ? Very little. I knew that, but i CAN accept those ideas. Because I DON'T LIKE TOO Mainstream ideas. Boring as ever. I want somehing unusual as long NOT Too quirky. Quirky enough is still acceptable for me and if can make ROFL, i will definetely give a Salute to that. Sorry for my Quirky comments...

"We need to market the NX better" says Reggie about the console we know nothing about 7 months before launch.

I'll be convinced when I actually know what the thing is! Cmon Nintendo, just reveal it already!

If they are going to do something different, innovative, gimmicky or groundbreaking, then they need to communicate this. Consumers need to know what's so special about their next console, how the differences make it better and why they should buy it.

@Anti-Matter I'm just going to let @Octane reply stand as mine. "Hardware should be intuitive, games should be innovative."

I will add that yes, some people really like the Gamepad, 13.5 million. The problem is that isn't enough. When you sell so few consoles 3rd parties don't make games for your hardware, so you sell less hardware and you get even less 3rd party support. It's a cycle of failure.

On the handheld front thats a different area. Microsoft doesn't make a handheld. Sony makes an expensive handheld with even more expensive memory and they don't make any games for it. So Nintendo can sell more 3DS, but not b/c of 3D screen innovation, but b/c it has no competition, what it does have is Pokémon and Monster Hunter. 3DS doesn't sell b/c it's different than other handhelds, it sells b/c it is THE handheld, and it has the best handheld games.

NX needs to bring the games, and at an affordable price. $250 Wii outsold $600 PS3 and $500 Xbox 360. Wii U didn't sell at a comparative price to PS4 and X1. Heck Wii U is $50 more than regular X1, $300 to $250. Nintendo can innovate if they make it very cheap. Cheap sells.

@Anti-Matter Demonic games? lol? Just accept that people have different tastes. Doesn't mean that one is better, just because it's not as mainstream. If you don't like stuff when too many other people like it too, then I think you might be restricting yourself. Myself? As long as it's good I'll play it, I don't care what other people think about the game or whether it's mainstream or not. Good games are good games; It's type of visuals, genre, sales, whether other people like it too or whatever other trivial thing don't influence my opinion on a game.

"One of the things that we have to do better when we launch the NX—we have to do a better job communicating the positioning for the product. We have to do a better job helping people to understand its uniqueness and what that means for the game playing experience."

Is that so Reggie? Well, it's almost September and we know literally nothing about it. Time is running out to explain it to the public, before release.

@Captain_Gonru Is that all you got? Late for work I'm guessing.

@MoonKnight7 Well we know it's getting Zelda Wild and Just Dance. I guess Nintendo figures all the hard core gamers will buy Nx for Zelda and all the casuals will buy it for Just Dance so that's all they need to tell us.

Maybe Reggie will make sure it has a port of "Wii Photo app" too.

@Octane
That's why i feel DISGUST to almost INAPPROPRIATE things in the world. I ONLY play Appropriate games, Bunch of E and E 10+ Ratings with a few Teen games. I HATE all adult games, because that raised my concern about people behaviour nowadays especially my students. I'm working at school as Librarian and i still aware with BAD entertainment that can HARM the children. When i'm buying my games, i'm thinking not just only about myself but also the people who will looked at my games. I just want to give a good example by playing Appropriate games ONLY so i will not worried when i play together with other people especially chidren and also i try to encourage people to do same thing just like me.
Oh, about demonic games. Do you know Persona ? That's one example. I don't even want to play Demon / SATAN woshipper games. I HATE completely. Completely disgusting for me.
Sorry about my comments, i just Concern about nowadays situation.

@rjejr

Haha yeah, that is flawless logic I suppose.

@aaronsullivan @ThanosRexxx @rjejr "One of the things that we have to do better when we launch the NX—we have to do a better job communicating the positioning for the product."

To be fair, one could also argue that the NX is one entity that spans multiple devices much like how the Triforce is a singular thing, when broken up its three pieces of an entity. I mean they did say NX was a platform afterall. 😊

In any case, as full as hot air Reggie seems to have at times, hopefully lessons are actually being learned this time.

@ThanosReXXX "understand it's uniqueness"

I guess there's hope yet for your something special.

Though I've read those 2 sentences 5x and it translates to the EG hybrid as Aaron already pointed out.

"One of the things that we have to do better when we launch the NX—we have to do a better job communicating the positioning for the product. We have to do a better job helping people to understand its uniqueness and what that means for the game playing experience."

the NX, the product, it's uniqueness

"positioning for the product" I translate to mean "hyrbrid" as its special thing.

The single biggest issue with the Wii U was that Nintendo did a rotten job marketing it. They didn't start trying to explain what it was until just a few weeks before it released.

I guess they though they could put "Wii" in the title, and it would sell itself. There is nothing wrong with the gamepad. In fact, I prefer using it most of the time. That certainly isn't what made the Wii U flop.

I love Nintendo and their products, but my fear is they are going to do the same with the NX. We are supposedly seven months away from launch, and they have said nothing.

They actually need to deliver games for it regardless of the initial success, people will be buying and they shouldn't be abandoned like what happened to the Wii U. The 2016 Wii U lineup is laughable, and besides Zelda, there's no other major release incoming. Dead in less than 4 years. That's a pretty short lifespan for a Nintendo product.

@Sir_JBizzle I was OK with "the NX", that could still mean the "NX platform", I can work with that. But when he said "the product" is when I started to get a bit nervous. Product sounds more like "device" than platform.

For the record, I don't care about what company is making what chipset, or whos right or wrong, but I do very much want a separate home and handheld console. The problem being either the hybrid will be too underpowered for ports or too expensive for us to buy 3 in our house. In a perfect world I'll take PS4 power for the 3DS price, just not sure it can be done.

Would really like to know though. The fact that Reggie even had this interview about properly explaining hardware 7 months before launch of a console we know nothing about is just too Dada for me.

@rushiosan
Yeah, very sad if Wii U ended up even worse than Gamecube...

All I hear anyone say is that Reggie has no idea what he's doing.

@GrailUK I hope so as well. As much as everyone gives the Wii U Gamepad flack for existing, I for one loved it, especially with games like Super Mario Maker and Xenoblade Chronicles X. That and being able to play your games on the controller is something that I'm so use to by now that I hope Nintendo carries that idea over to the NX.

Whatever the NX will be, it'll have my support 100%.

@Lucina Slap analogue triggers on that bad boy (and two of the gamecube left analogue sticks) and it would be perfect!

how are they going to explain something they refuse to reveal that's going to be released in a few months?

@TheNomad That literally does not affect sales as seen by Fire Emblem Fates. If the gameplay is solid and the appeal for said game exists, then it won't matter if it's censored or not. I seriously doubt Nintendo will ever change how they localize games as I've yet to see a game that has been affected in sales due to localization or censorship, at least when it comes to Nintendo. As long as the game is appealing, looks fun and is marketed properly, consumers will buy it regardless of the content that has been altered. Most people, like myself, only care about such things if it drastically changes the game for the worse. And last I checked, no game that has been "censored" or localized has even come close to that criteria.

@GrailUK That would truly be amazing! <3

Nintendo sure didn't learn from their mistakes from the 3DS launch to the Wii U launch. Both systems launched at a price point that was too high, and software that was way too weak. I'm hoping that the NX has a much better launch because Nintendo used to be king at great console launches.

@Anti-Matter As a dad who spends a lot of time gaming with my wife and kids I understand what you are ssying, but there are still games out there Wii U misses out on. Rocket League was 1 of the biggest games of 2015, winning lots of awards. I haven't played it yet but it looks like soccer with cars and I get a Splaton vibe from what I've seen. Wii U sold so poorly it also missed out on a game like this 2 last year as well.

There are others, like the Little Big Planet series. It's not all GTA and Halo outside of Nintendo.

@WiltonRoots "Gamers," and especially "Nintendo fans" HATE the word "uniqueness" sadly. To them its more of a hinderence than something something that enhances their gameplay experience. Sadly, that narrow minded thinking is what will kill the industry. Unique ways to play, or "gimmicks" as many affectionately like to call it, are what will grow the gaming industry and propel it forward.

@BakaKnight the Wii New !!!

@Anti-Matter

Its my opinion. But i can explain that too, the user experience is way different between having 2 screens close to one another (3DS) and the one you have with the WiiU, so its not a fair comparison. 2º the 3DS has more succesfull examples of duas screen games however most games dont use the screen for more than inventory/map thus proving my point again. An excellent excellent example of a dual screen game is the world end with you (for DS), just perfect. 3º im not saying Nintendo shouldnt innovate, what im saying is in this case they failed.

@rjejr
I appreciate your effort as a good husband but unfortunately, i'm not a Western games lover. No matter how good it is, if the games created by Western developers i almost have no interest at all with them. Sure, i know Rachet games, Monopoly series are suitable by Everyone, but once again unfortunately not even my taste. My taste is games that created by Japanese developers, have a cuteness inside, goofy enough, colorful, not too Western, kid friendly and safe for watch. So, basically my games collections mostly dominated by Japanese developers by 99.9 %. The only Western games that i like most are.... The Sims and MySims. Well, very mindblowing The Sims and Super Cute MySims games. And unfortunately, i never like PS4 or even XBOX 1. Never care about both of them whatever their efforts, especially Sony has despaired my trust when during PS3 era.

@Anti-Matter Until people can actually provide me with evidence that video game violence is bad for people, I don't believe that's true. But to each their own I guess!

@rjejr true dat. dragon quest heroes really should've been on a nintendo console, but hyrule warriors is a better game i have to say. i think dragon quest heroes was the family friendly musou for outside nintendo.

@Anti-Matter Persona is not creating bad children. No "demons" are not warping their brains, you read waaaay too much into that.

Poor education, lack of stimulation, parental influence are more likely the causes of bad behaving children, not "demons"

@RoomB31
I mean 'DEMON' or 'SATAN' that exactly included in that game. The Satan creatures, the demonic theme, horror, blood, etc. Not Demon (In religion) that brainwashed our brains.

@Clownshoes
Well, i admit Wii U doesn't have really much very 'Anti-Mainstream' games, but NDS and 3DS have a lot. From NDS era, there are some new genre of games that i have never knew before. Some of them are mindblowing for me. Let's say, Cooking Mama series, Kurikin Nano Island NDS, Tomodachi Life, Style Savvy series, etc.

@Anti-Matter I see no difference in your reference.

@RoomB31
Sorry if you still don't get it. It just i hate the game that have strong demonic theme, especially have very intense dark design theme, blood everywhere, very frightful demon design. That's too adult game for me and i hate that. Ironic enough, rated CERO B in Japan but Rated MATURE in USA. And like i said before, i HATE all adult games.

Just show the system already, starting to loose my interest in the system with every rumour I hear about it

@The_Dude_Abides That's a horrible idea. The idea of Nintendo going 3rd party is usually the whines of people who don't want to pay money to buy more hardware. If Sega is any example, going 3rd party may not be the best idea.

"We have to do a better job of explaining the uniqueness of NX"

Therefore we keep you people in the dark for the next 6 months, Lol!

@Captain_Gonru I was just messing with ya. And really, I didn't see anything new in that other article, I just knew it was going to be written by Damo as he tries to hammer home his EG viewpoint. And I'll give him this, it's working.

Reggie said it not once, not twice, but 3x -
the NX, the product, it's uniqueness

Also this - "the positioning for the product"

Everybody knows what a home console is, everybody knows what a handheld is, you don't need to "position" those. What you need to position is a hybrid handheld with tv out, more power than any other handheld, less power than any other home console, that's it's niche "position".

Also, and I have said this before, I think Ntinedo may have made a concerted effort to skip E3, Gamescon and TGS w/ NX b/c it isn't a typical home or handheld console. It won't be getting PS4 and X1 ports, it will be getting 3DS type games, and those are better shown off at CES in Jan than dedicated game shows. I don't think they'll wait to CES to unveil it, but I do wonder if they'll promote it there ahead of the March launch. I can't recall PSs or Xboxen being big there.

Also, all the parts are starting to fit now. NX was supposed to be holiday 2016, but Parker wasn't ready. DX11 is on NX, DQ Builders - which releases Oct 11 - would have made for a nice NX launch title. Or DQH as @Jamotello said. Maybe Paper Mario was to be their big May 29th title but they slid it back to fill the gap best they could?

It would take a lot for me to think other than 1 hybrid now. Well unless there aren't SCD, more like different powered "core" tablets, like PS4 and Neo or 3DS and New 3DS at different power levels. Less powerful and cheaper X1 for mainly handheld use, more powerful and expensive Parker for primarily home use. Wii U had 2 different storage amounts, 8Gb and 32GB, so it's a nutty idea, but this is Ntineod we are talking about. Also, both MS and Sony are doing it now, just not at launch.

September 's NX reveal is getting closer and closer and yet we've still know nothing about this except that it plays games. Still wondering if this radio silence besides buzzwords will pay off on the reveal. I'm heavily doubtful from the WiiU days yet heavily curious and excited at the same time. Doh, come on and reveal the NX already!

Please. Reveal the NX already! It seems crazy to be so close to release yet we are all still in the dark!

@Anti-Matter Yeah, I don't play M rated games, at least not anymore. I do my best to stay within the realm of E to T rated games, and the main consoles I use are my 3DS and Wii U simply because Nintendo is still actively pushing for good, wholesome values and family friendly games. The PS4 and Xbox One may have a couple games that target families, but not nearly enough. Those consoles are saturated by gory games with profanity spouted in every cutscene and sexual themes pushed down your throat. It's quite sickening to say the least.

That's why I mainly stick to Nintendo to provide my gaming experience because I can trust them to retain good moral values and a strong push for family friendly games. I understand it's the unpopular thinking in today's society to want more family friendly content and less violence, sex, dark themes and bad language, but I'd rather been unpopular with my opinion than play games that can alter ones moral compass.

It amazes me how Reggie can continually lie to everyone and still keep his job.

The nx better have an achievement system, a notification system, and a messaging system that doesn't require miiverse while needing to be friends. Also voice chat would be nice.

It's the exact same story again and again and again and again.

@3MonthBeef
The first half of September is still technically Summer, too, I think. So....yeah probably no September reveal. Unless it's at the very end. Sony has their event in September (possibly to announce the PS4 Slim, PS Neo, and potentially a handheld of some kind) as well so it'll be interesting how Nintendo's compares.

What is the Wii Photo app? Does he really mean something that was on the original Wii or have I missed something?

I think he meant to say Mii Foto from Miitomo.

@The_Dude_Abides

You will not get the full Nintendo experience on another company's hardware. It'll be way watered down. They need to get the marketing right and a console that can handle all 3rd party games, and not just a limited options.

@3MonthBeef It's scheduled somewhere in the fall? I though it was scheduled for next month?

If you ask me, the screen on the Wii U Gamepad was a brilliant idea and I'd be lying if I said I have not made good use of it.
1 of the major advantages I love about the Wii U Gamepad is you can play many games on it without even turning on the TV. Sure there are some games like Splatoon where the TV is needed but 95% of the games on the Wii U can be played on the gamepad Exclusively.
This is why I at least hope that the NX will have the option of supporting the Wii U Gamepad. It should not be the main focus of the system but it is still a concept I would like to see stick around.

@hYdeks Do what I have been doing and ignore the rumors for now. They are a fun distraction, but until I hear word from the Big N it is all nonsense to me.

@Bolt_Strike Amen. They released a lot of games aimed at kids and families, when really the only people who bought Wii U were hardcore gamers like the ones who visit NintendoLife. There's only about 3 or so Wii U games that I REALLY feel I missed out on, including Splatoon.

@Lucina ''Those consoles are saturated by gory games with profanity spouted in every cutscene and sexual themes pushed down your throat. It's quite sickening to say the least.''

Don't want to turn this into an entire argument, but you're exaggerating the games on PS4 and XOne. Sure there's some (like there's Bayonetta on Wii U for example), but it's nowhere near the amount like you're suggesting. I own a PS4, and I own just as many games on that system that you could consider ''child-friendly'' than I own Wii U games. Don't let a handful of games overshadow the others and skew your perception.

@Lucina I feel the same. Outside of the Dark Souls/Bloodborne very few games on those systems rated "M" are very "mature". I like my PS4 enough, but there is a certain level of fun you can have with those games. I also tend to stick to the Wii U and 3DS because I tend to find more games to my liking there.

It's simple, Reggie - do not shoehorn the Wii name in the official console name in an attempt to cash in on the Wii's legacy.

@RantingThespian
Mad props for the Family Guy shout-out (or, the shout-out to one of its funny gags, anyway)!

Reggie is nothing more than a humpback whale in a business suit spewing dolphin dung and marketing drivel out of his blowhole. Actions matter, sir: not words - and you guys have done miserably at that for the past while. Let's see if you actually implement what you claim you've "learned" this time (and I'm not holding my breath).

@fortius54 You said about the Wii U: "They didn't start trying to explain what it was until just a few weeks before it released." I'm totally confused by this statement. It's absolutely untrue in every way I can imagine. Press at E3 2011 were literally playing with prototype consoles and games a full year and a half before it launched. Maybe the asymmetric gaming angle and Nintendo Land didn't get showcased until E3 2012 but that was still 6 months ahead of release.

Yes; yes you do, Reggie.

@Wexter been trying to, but other then the rumours, there isn't any news from Nintendo.

@BiasedSonyFan Sure, there's more ''mature'' content on those systems than on a Nintendo platform, but do you really want to look at percentages in that case? The PS4 library is much vaster than the Wii U's, so even though the games with lower age ratings are percentage-wise lower on the Wii U, the total amount may be just as big, if not bigger. And there's indies too, there are so many indie games on PS4 and XOne, ignoring those would be a crime. I completely understand that if you have children, you're going to get them a Nintendo system, but all I was saying is that there's more than gory games that contain nothing but swearing, violence and blood (in fact I'd argue that most games don't belong in that category).

@hYdeks I feel your pain brother. Soon so very soon we shall have offical info.

@Clownshoes
Look, I've mentioned it before but the combination of pervasive pessimism and your handle makes me imagine a sad-face clown. And now you made me laugh with those dismissive statements of games that took a different path than most (responding to @Anti-Matter who admittedly has some extreme views).

First, I just want to suggest that Nintendo makes games that stand out from others even if you think they are repeating themselves. That's an underlying point, but not my main point.

"Mario 3D world was a game they've made about half a dozen times now."
Mario 3D Land is close but many Mario fans complain it's not enough like Mario 64, or Mario Sunshine or not enough like Galaxy. It's not like NSMBW or NSMBU so... where is the room for those half dozen games it's the same as.

"Splatoon is a 3rd person shooter with paint."
Almost universally reported as a breath of fresh air to the online multiplayer shooters and the most original riff on the genre in a few years on mechanics alone, not to mention the style and characters.

"Mario kart is mario kart, we've had 8 of those."
I'll give you this for the core game, but it did mark important steps for Nintendo itself given the smooth online experience, it's social media sharing of video that even spawned a meme, and a successful and very well received DLC rollout that turned many skeptics into fans drooling at the hint of one more DLC pack for Mario Kart.

"Star Fox was a remake."
That game was incredibly divisive for a completely new control scheme. I do have to admit that while I found a new joy in controlling the game in it's many perspectives and styles it seems poorly received overall but you can't say it doesn't represent a very different approach.

Plus, you ignore Zelda which is a somewhat quirky and decidedly distinct riff on the well-worn open world rpg genre. Mario Maker is another standout against even similar titles like Little Big Planet that is uniquely Nintendo and even Wii U in its focus. (Much more limited but, in my opinion, so much more fun than LBP to play and create)

Maybe it's just a matter of perception, but I'm pretty happy that Nintendo didn't fold under the pressure of poor Wii U sales and make super-safe choices about games. Splatoon debuting during that troubled time is especially satisfying.

I hope you're okay with my clown comments, I mean you know you are endlessly pessimistic in your posts and your handle is clownshoes so I just thought it might be intentional. I'm optimistic to a fault so we are bound to amuse each other, right?

It sounds like Reggie isn't even familiar with the products he's talking about. Wii Photo App? I think he means Miitomo.. and when listing the best games for Wii U, he didn't even know the names of some of them. If Reggie is so detached from the software maybe he shouldn't continue being the one talking about it. He's been irrelevant for a long time now

@rjejr I do wonder where Reggie fits in anymore.The Western launch of NX worries me because I don't know how much input he had before and I don't know who is replacing him really or how much it matters. He is a face they continue to want but I'm not sure if Nintendo wants his opinion anymore.

Aside: I know you don't like him, but I always had a soft spot for him because he seems to keep championing Metroid which I love. I think he is as disappointed with how the Nintendo has responded as the fans are. I'm speculating that he begged them to do a more mainstream approach to Metroid Other M with voiceovers and cinematics which was the right thing to do, but then it blew up in his face. He must have known Federation Force was going to be a problem and yet the poor guy had to push Blast Ball at (what seemed to be his baby) the Nintendo World Championship and then try to smooth over the chibi Federation Force backlash even though the game is pretty decent overall. There's just a big disconnect there with a franchise that has been traditionally more valued by Western gamers. Anyway, I digress.

Your summary of the swirling (ghostly) data points about NX to @Captain_Gonru is close to the way I'm feeling it too. I have to be honest, though, I don't even know what I want from Nintendo anymore much less what would be good for Nintendo.

I do see people continuing to downplay the role of mobile games even after the strong evidence from Pokemon GO even selling actual 3DS hardware on top of the games. And while Fire Emblem is lesser known, the games on 3DS have been pretty popular and I think there is going to be a continuing halo effect from Pokemon GO on the mobile games themselves, the social networks. These are free games that people will try once. "Oh another Nintendo game Pokemon Go was fun, I'll try it... I wonder what the full game is like..." That doesn't seem far-fetched to me no matter the name of the game itself... except maybe miitomo.

Oh, and I think that's a transcribing error on the wii photo, mii photo, miitomo thing. That's my best guess anyway. At least I hope Reggie isn't getting senile.

And Zelda is for Wii U, and it has been shown exclusively on the Wii U, so he can call it Zelda and a compelling game for the Wii U all he wants.

Launch the NX. Position the product. I can't make it naturally mean a whole platform. :/

@BiasedSonyFan Yeah, well, that wasn't the point I was making to begin with..

@SigourneyBeaver @rjejr @LexKitteh
I think the Wii Photo thing might be a transcribing error. On a poor audio recording name miitomo is incomprehensible to most and might come out as Wii Photo. It's wasn't conducted on a gaming site but a marketing site, so it seems plausible to me at least. Reggie hasn't shown any trouble saying miitomo in the past.

The only game he got "wrong" was "the Super Mario game" which in his mind he probably went, "is it Super Mario 3D World? Or Super Mario World 3D or 3D Super Mario World?" Rather than get it actually wrong he just went casual with it, I'm guessing. A bit unprofessional but reinforces the idea that this was an audio recorded interview.

Anyway, it does make him seem out of it or losing it per @rjejr reggie theory. Hey, funny story @rjejr you are going to love this.

In reading your handle in the early days on here, I thought I was supposed to pronounce it "reggie junior". I thought you must be the biggest Reggie fan! Turns out really, really nope!

This is the guy who should been fired in 2011.

@rjejr On the hardware innovation thing, I tend to disagree. I think advances in hardware need to be braved and Nintendo is willing to do it when the others keep going so safe. Some naysayers paint motion control as a gimmick and a blip that won't return while VR and AR are emerging and completely reliant on motion control for instance.

(The rest of this is all predicated on Nintendo continuing to leverage its great IP with excellent and polished games first.)

The biggest problem is cost. Nintendo's hardware has a difficult problem in that in order to get big numbers it will need to appeal to the wider group of core gamers and it is the other console for the core gaming crowd now. 2DS/3DS sneaks in there for many of them for two reasons:
1. 2DS/3DS does something consoles don't do in that it's highly portable without losing dedicated gaming controls
2. 2DS/3DS does it for a low risk investment.

We've been harping on it despite the infeasible nature of the hope early on: the Wii U would have been much more broadly appealing if the price could have been $100 less from the get go. Many complain about the GamePad and its utility, but I only have two complaints. It made the cost much higher than the perceived value (especially in light of the PS4 launch) and it should have been more ergonomically shaped with less importance on it laying flat like a tablet. The second point is less important by a long shot.

No one is going to convince me that asymmetric gaming and two screen gaming with your console doesn't have tremendous utility and potential for every type of gamer. Which leads to the other problem, the GamePad tech was so expensive that the power of the Wii U also suffered in a catch-22 situation.

How NX can solve all this? Well, the NX as a portable that can play out to TV and satisfy home console needs feels like it could work. All except that same problem: $$$ If it is going to stand out, no matter how well it is explained where the product is positioned it is still going to be the other console for most dedicated gamers at this point.

My solution? Lose something insane like $100 to $150 on each NX sold. Amiibo, mobile, extensive DLC on games, maybe even subscription online with other services can all recoup that over time if Nintendo is bold enough. Now that would be an internal culture change. All chips in, Nintendo! How about it?

@Captain_Gonru Asymmetric! Thanks for the catch! I wish I could blame it on autocorrect like Reggie and @rjejr

You explained the uniqueness of the system very well. The uniqueness of the system resulted in a pointless gimmick that people didn't like, out of date hardware and no third party support. The uniqueness of the system was understood crystal clear. The uniqueness was the problem.

This is like Reggie stating the sky is blue.

@Anti-Matter The GameCube actually had a better lineup and a solid 3rd party support. It had Tony Hawk, it had CoD, it had Time Splitters 2 from Eidos, FF Crystal Chronicles from Square Enix, Mega Man Collections and an exclusive Battle Network title from Capcom, Viewtiful Joe, Killer 7, two Rogue Squadron games, Resident Evil and MGS Twin Snakes from Konami. Not to mention all SEGA ports and unreleased gems from Dreamcast. It had Game Boy Player for GBA and I wish the Wii U had a similar way to play my 3DS games on a big screen like that.

Even the 1st party lineup could destroy the Wii U's: two new main series Zeldas, Luigi's Mansion, Mario Sunshine, Eternal Darkness, two Metroid titles, two Star Fox, F-Zero, Mario Kart, two Pikmin, two of those Donkey Kong spin-offs with bongos, Animal Crossing, a Wario platformer and Paper Mario TTYD.

It died with honor offering some of the best games Nintendo ever made. Unfortunately, the same can't be said about Wii U library.

@Captain_Gonru I'm willing to let Nintendo try what they want. Nintendo is a wounded soldier in this war, if it needs extra recuperation time to come back out fighting at full strength with new skills, I'm okay with that.

It's easy to forget that the loss of Iwata was a surprise to even many of the higher ups at Nintendo and he was apparently involved at many levels rather than aloof. Restructuring without that vision pushing things forward (whether you agree with it or not) means that a more studied approach to everything is probably occurring.

As much as gaming sites are treading water in liquid rumors and running their engines on patent-fumes I'm betting Nintendo would rather control the narrative but needs more ammo before they can. (Record number of mixed-metaphors in one sentence! Woohoo!)

@Lucina I find the industry right now really bad. The so-called triple A games people keep going on about literally repulse me. And I've been playing videogames since the 70s. If all there was out there was PS4 and Xbox One, I doubt I would even consider buying a console ever again. Their output on their previous machines made me walk away from consoles for a whole generation. And all they're doing this generation is giving last generation's hits a fresh lick of paint. That mindset is still not going to make me buy these games I had no interest in first time round.

I really hope there's a crash.

@aaronsullivan "And Zelda is for Wii U, and it has been shown exclusively on the Wii U, so he can call it Zelda and a compelling game for the Wii U all he wants."

Except - and this is the part where the senility kicks in - he is talking exclusively in the "past tense".

"The games that we've launched on the Wii U are hugely compelling"

Launched. Past tense. Also, he talks in the past tense about them again in the next sentence -

"we have by far the most unique games that are highly rated by consumers and highly rated by the media. So those things worked."

Rated. Rated. Worked.

He is clearly talking about games that are already out. I think he thinks Zelda U launched in 2015 like it was supposed to. Poor Reggie

Wii Photo, Mii Photo. Yeah, I know, transcribing error, a lot of this sounds like it was a foreign language interview translated into English, Reggie usually speaks a lot better. But it fit into my senile Reggie narrative, so I ran with it.

Fire Emblem can only end badly. Either its a match 3 game like Marvel has and FE fans hate it, or it's a FE game and nobody gets it. It will have a small and dedicated following, but nothing worth writing home about. It's not Pokemon, Mario, DK, Link, Kirby, Samus or any other NINTENDO character, it's just 1 of a dozen strategy games.

AC has potential. All those time waster reality games are made for mobile. Sylanders has a really good one - "Islands" or something. But if it's a board game like AC:aF, that's bad. And they already have Miitomo, so maybe they want a match 3 AC game like Pokemon Shuffle? I need to see it first. And as usual w/ Ntineod, it's out soon and we know nothing.

"reggie junior" That's HILARIOUS. So funny.

You left out NSMBU in Reggie's game of "Guess that Mario". At first I thought he meant SMM, "the Super Mario game" since that's still an ongoing hit, but he already said that one. Do Alzheimer patients repeat themselves? OK, enough non PC jokes from me.

"means that a more studied approach to everything is probably occurring"

I read studied as stupid, dirt on my screen, but it was funny nonetheless.

Nintneod won't loose $100 per console, though I like the idea.
I don't know what they're going to do. Been awhile since I thought about the whole company going to heck b/c of the power struggles left in the wake of Iwata's passing. ie the reason they haven't revealed NX yet is they don't know how to: price it, bundle it, or promote it. Handheld w/ TV out, or home that's portable? (Hey I think I got us back on topic there.) Sounds like semantics, but I think you hook different consumers based on the message. Price may determine that message though more than anything they say. But they may be arguing over price, and if they unveil now w/o a price they'll look stupid.

@rjejr "a more stupid approach to everything" lol.

Well, I think Zelda has already been a success of sorts and they "launched" it just recently... at least in Reggie's mind.

I'm going to mostly disagree on Fire Emblem and hope there is some middle ground in there which I think I remember reading somewhere actually. There is actually a reasonably strong mobile game market for turn based strategy games and all of them wish they had even a little bit of brand recognition... and I'm not going to discount the even bigger brand recognition from Nintendo and Pokemon GO that will be associated by at least word of mouth. Bishops everywhere will give free publicity.

Unfortunately for the mobile apps, they will be compared to Pokemon GO... oh, and big companies don't do much teasing about upcoming mobile games. They are all about maximizing the splash right as it is made available.

Glad you enjoyed the reggie junior thing. Not sure how I've waited this long to tell you. I still subconsciously read your handle that way.

@gcunit lol

@Anti-Matter
I do understand what you saying.. but Nintendo is a business.
It's focus should not be to please you and a handful of people resulting in selling a pathetic 13m consoles and first ever losses.

It's focus should be aiming for the biggest possible market share thus obtaining huge profit. If that means more games that you hate tough luck.

If Nintendo continue to only aim to please the likes of you ( and I do not mean this disrespectfully towards you ) they are done for as a home console manufacturer.

The market don't lie.

As for Reggie he is just spinning the same old yarn. Building hype is the biggest marketing strategy. This is a lesson lost to Nintendo.

Pokemon GO success is all about Niantic.

@Captain_Gonru
I dot recall getting involved in this whole "what is NX" debate. Hypothesized my personal thoughts on the matter once or twice but, I haven't really argued about what it is since my three-page debate with @rjejr 6+ months ago.

I think some people just take this too seriously. And tendo doesn't care about the people freaking out- they would simply say to those people to relax, chill out and they'll reveal it when they reveal it. Fretting over what it is or when it gets revealed isn't going to make March come any sooner. It's a personal choice, and in my opinion the foolish one. I would settle it in my mind that we will know nothing until March when it releases. And when it gets revealed before that it will be a pleasant surprise.

Until then I really don't see the need to talk about it

"Traditional lessons"... They wouldn't know traditional if it bit them in the gold pants. We just want to sit down with a controller. Is that really so hard to understand?

This is the same tale Nintendo has repeated throughout the life of the Wii U, as if the only reason it failed was because people didn't know what it was, as if marketing was the only problem, and every other decision made for the Wii U was perfect.

But that wasn't the problem.

Gamers knew what the Wii U was, and they knew it wasn't designed for or marketed at them, and they didn't buy it. It's the non gaming casuals that made the Wii a massive success that didn't know what the Wii U was, but even if they did, they wouldn't care, because they had moved on to smartphone games, and didn't care about consoles anymore period, it was the reason the Wii died off, and why the Wii U was made in the first place.

The main issue that will determine the NX's success is not "will people know what it is", because non gaming casuals still won't care, it's if Nintendo has decided to consider gamers their target audience again and give up on the pipe dream of recapturing an audience that has absolutely no interests in games that aren't free or on smartphones.

Stop treating gamers like second class citizens, there are many, many gamers that would love to buy games on Nintendo consoles if Nintendo would show that they have them in mind when designing their products, maybe you won't win the lottery like you did with the Wii, but you will make money, like the other consoles who have decided to focus their products towards gamers, as there are plenty of them.

@JaxonH Just so you know, I've been making a conscious effort not to include you in any of our hardware madness b/c I know you are sane enough to focus on the software. Someday when games get announced I'll be asking for your take, your broad based and fair minded. I only want Pimin 4 and Galaxy 3, though I'd get a KI:U port or sequel. Some day.

@Captain_Gonru I don't want to hear about asynchronous or asymmetrical ever again. Not even for an app. Online multilayer is good, and if they can make and sell a true FE on mobile more power to them. But they basically charged $100 for FE, 2 $40 games and a $20 DLC. I'm not sure that works on mobile. Heroes of Might and Magic is one of the best games I've ever played though, so if they can just copy that odd story driven match 3 system that could work. My whole family played it, PS3 and 3DS (DS version). Not sure it ever got the app treatment, but therein lies my FE concern @aaronsullivan

@The_Dude_Abides Expect Nintendo does put out hardware that consumers want to buy. Their home consoles may not sell very well(barring the Wii), but their handhelds have always sold very well. The 3DS is still the top selling game system this generation, and has enjoyed a resurgence in popularity recently.

I will agree that there is little interest in Nintendo home consoles, especially compared to the Xbox and Playstation. But when it comes to handhelds? The 3DS proves that Nintendo handhelds can still draw an audience.

Console, controller and good games, pick up and play.

If the NX has to be explained, it has failed before it starts.

Stop looking for an excuse, the gamepad did not work, gamers did not take to it, as the sales show, and Nintendo could not admit this.

Even now Reg is defending the gamepad; it wasn't explained correctly and us slow witted gamers could not grasp it's concept. Even as late as this year Nintendo released the flawed Starfox, trying to prove the gamepad was alive and well.

To play games we need a controller, stop trying to reinvent the wheel and just give us a 'normal' controller and GAMES.

I really hope Nintendo nails the marketing for the NX.

I think the biggest problem with the Wii U launch was the lack of advertising. There were hardly an TV commercials for it, they barely ever ran and even when they did, they weren't very informative, nor did they hype the system very well.
Some people didn't even know what the Wii U was, or even that it existed.
I'd argue the best way to drive interest in the system is to clearly communicate what it is, what it's called and what it does.
And for goodness sake, Nintendo, run the ads on a wide range of TV and YouTube channels, run them frequently and run them at a wide range of times.

Of course, having a proper software lineup at launch can do wonders for a system as well. I found the Wii U's launch lineup to be very disappointing — not because the games weren't good, but because they (mostly) weren't exciting. It wasn't until the price dropped and Super Mario 3D World launched that I really became interested in the Wii U.
Luckily, recent interviews make it sound like Nintendo knows this and are preparing a proper software lineup for launch this time.

In terms of hype, I think the rumour mill is doing Nintendo's job for it so far (and admittedly I'm having fun reading rumours and imagining what the NX might be).
That said, I can understand Nintendo wanting to wait to reveal the console. Building hype is one thing, but maintaining it until the system releases is another thing, and if the hype slows down too much, it could hurt sales.
I mean, I'm obviously not a marketing expert or anything, but I think there's definitely a sweet spot in terms of generating and maintaining hype for a product launch, and it's probably different for each segment of each market. Hopefully Nintendo get it right this time.

A lot of people seem to be worried about gimmicks too.
I think that having a "gimmicky" system is fine, so long as the gimmick is an actual innovation, which is really dependent on how well it's implemented and how well it's utilized by the software.
As an example and in my opinion, motion controls weren't really well implemented on the Wii until Motion Plus came out around 2009-10, and by that point most of the excitement over motion control innovation had been written off as a gimmick — likely because the Wii's initial motion controls didn't work very well.
Had the system launched with Motion Plus, the underwhelming gimmick might have been a welcome innovation.
Using the Wii U as another example, I find the second screen on the gamepad to be fantastic, but very few titles actually make good use of it, and as a result it's easy to write-off as a gimmick.
Perhaps if there had been more titles (especially at launch) that proved the gamepad's value, the gimmick would be regarded as an innovation.

Hopefully the innovation of the NX will be the ability to play console-level games on the go as this will be instantly understandable and easily communicable.
Hopefully Nintendo's restructuring and focus on a single console (instead of being split between a home console and a hand-held console) will mean a steady flow of AAA first-party games.
Hopefully Nintendo markets the device properly.
Hopefully it has a proper software lineup at launch.
Hopefully it works well and has a fun, exciting software library, including third-party support similar to what the 3DS family enjoys.
Hopefully ...

Sorry for the long-winded (long-worded?) post, but this seemed like an appropriate place for a little rant.

.....also if the NX is that unique it will take a lot of explaining for us to really grasp it's concept, and with only six months to go Nintendo are leaving it a bit late, unless they are thinking of pushing back, yet again, the release date.

@Wendigo Well there's no details about that, but Nintendo and USJapan are planning to have it open before the 2020 Tokyo Olympic games. So if that's anything to go by, I'd imagine at least one of the US in the US would have it up around then, give or take a year. But I'm just speculated of course.

@rushiosan
I have a plan to expand my Nintendo family games, not just only NDS, 3DS, Wii and Wii U. I will consider add Gamecube as the fifth Nintendo machine. Well.... though just only 4 titles that appeal to so much, some other titles doesn't really impressed me much and the rest just meh for me (Even 1st party games). My plan is play those Gamecube games on my Wii, so i don't need to buy another Gamecube machine. Well... better late playing than never.

"and we continue to believe that the innovation of the second screen was a worthwhile concept. "

Umm no, not learned anything

Sorry if this is off-topic, but honestly all I want is an Advance Wars game! I don't care where, just give me Advance Wars!

@Captain_Gonru @rjejr
Asynchronous is all over the place in mobile for strategy games. Like CG said it's just being able to play your turn when you get a chance rather than everyone having to be online at the same time. It works and is nothing to be afraid of mentioning. Clash of Clans is partly based on asynchronous play. I heard it's pretty popular.

Last time I mention asymmetrical game play for awhile will be this: there's a cool upcoming board game where everyone plays a different part in a dungeon game. The dragon has to wake up and leave, the hero has to try and kill the dragon, there ate goblins, and one person plays the dungeon itself whose goal is to collapse itself on everyone. Doesn't that sound fun?

@aaronsullivan @Captain_Gonru Why can't we just call it "turn based"?

Been thinking about what Gonru said about this being Wii U 2, and I think he's right, and I think I thought that a year or 2 ago, but I think Nintendo can make it work. Game pad is an atrocity. I'm typing this on a 7" tablet that kicks it's butt. If they make it sleek enough, nobody will call it Wii U 2. Now, they might call it Vita 2, but I can live with that b/c besides proprietary memory cards and no games it's a great little machine.

So call it Nintendo Complete, make it look good, make the dock look good, promote the games, don't worry about Wii U.

@Captain_Gonru I have to admit, I don't get Streetpass, never have never will. But I have been carrying around a 7" tablet for 4 years, so that isn't a problem for me. People carried around the GBA - I had 1 for a few months - so Ninteod isn't opposed to big and bulky on the go. And isn't the 3DS XL huge, even folded?

I do like your Fit Meter idea. Maybe a bluetooth watch based on Pokemon Go Plus? Pokemon Go Plus NEEDS to do more for $35 than it does. Bluetooth is widely available.

@rjejr @Captain_Gonru
The board game I mentioned earlier isn't released yet, it's called Vast the crystal cavern or something like that. Here's where I read about it:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/08/the-hottest-new-board-games-from-gen-con-2016/2/

"One of the things that we have to do better when we launch the NX—we have to do a better job communicating the positioning for the product. We have to do a better job helping people to understand its uniqueness and what that means for the game playing experience."

7 months away and we still know nothing.... Sorry Reggie, but you're already failing at it.

What the hell is a Wii photo app?

@Captain_Gonru You carry and iPad and a Windows phone? How do you not get hit by a tornado? Or generate one?

Got a Samsung Core Prime smartphone for Father's day, I'm a luddite no more.

I do understand your reasoning, it's a lot of stuff to carry around. I've pretty much stopped carrying my 7"tablet and just take my phone now instead. But I have always been a man who likes jackets with lots of packets, so I can also carry my wife's 3DS with me if I want. Just not today when it was 92.

But I think your out of luck, I think it's bound to be nearly Game pad big, though slightly smaller if the buttons slide off, then it will just be a 6" tanlet, which is the size of some phones.

Whatever it is, about the size of a 2DS, and they are a Nintendo thing. G'Night.

The uniqueness of NX is that it doesn't really exist, it's purely in our imagination and whatever we want it to be, it is. It's REAL VR people. REAL VR!

Seriously VR, just shut up and show us the darn thing.

@LeRaposa He's doing PR-announcements, lying to everybody is his job!

This entire article is basically Reggie forgetting the basics of marketing.

@aaronsullivan Sure, you and I saw all of this, but Nintendo rely heavily on a wider audience than those that attend E3. Admittedly, I am one of the biggest Nintendo apologists out there, but they did not market the Wii U or the gamepad functionality to the audience they needed to.

The only nationwide marketing campaign for the Wii U began on the front-end of movie trailers just a couple of weeks prior to launch. By contrast, the 3DS campaign with named actors ran on television and the internet.

@Captain_Gonru Didn't see the bloody finger last night, sounds like just a cut. I'm afraid to start watching again and have them start losing again.

Maybe they'll sell NX fanny packs? They'll replace the New 3DS face plates.

@Danrenfroe2016 I think it's just a typo and he meant Miitomo.

@Captain_Gonru @aaronsullivan Forbes covered this. Nothing breathtaking, but it covers what we've been talking about.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/08/27/nintendo-is-promising-not-to-repeat-the-wii-us-marketing-mistakes-with-the-nx/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix&yptr=yahoo#5686850e2c63

He basically agrees with you @JaxonH all we need is 1 system as THE selling point. Which I think I've been saying for 2 years.

@fortius54 Sure. Advertising to the wider market. That I understand. Wasn't clear from your post. They overestimated the reach of their online initiatives at the least... There was a lot of talk about how there was only one or two television ads and it's interesting that TV advertising doesn't really reach young people much anymore does it, though? I mean 20 and below watch YouTube now, in general sweeping terms. It's a constantly shifting landscape...

@aaronsullivan Doesn't sound like it? I wouldn't read that much into marketing and sales blurb; I should know...
And we all know Reggie, he always says the same stuff. NX is a console, we don't go for power, software drives sales (that one happens to be true) etc. etc. I NEVER take anything he says at face value. Notice that once again, he speaks in vague terms and mentions words like "the product" which in our line of business (i.e. sales & marketing) can mean anything from a part of a device to an entire line of devices or a platform, so that says absolutely nothing.

And in that same fashion, him mentioning "The NX" also means nothing. Because of their unwillingness to say anything, that might just as well mean that he is using a half-truth to keep up the charade until the actual reveal. No, I'm not worried at all about this entirely empty interview...

@Sir_JBizzle You understand...

@rjejr "Though I've read those 2 sentences 5x and it translates to the EG hybrid as Aaron already pointed out."
No, my friend, it doesn't. And with all due respect, but you don't seem to understand marketing and promotional interviews as I do.

It could be one product, so I'm not denying that, but this interview definitely doesn't set that in stone. It is full of double speech, marketing blurb and copy/paste answers, all of which are Reggie's usual M.O. so it means nothing. (also see comment #190)
I can name you tons of examples where "the product" means an entire line of things, or indeed a platform. To name a few: Ferrari (or put in any car brand you like) is a product, Coca-Cola is a product, Nike is a product and as far as platforms being an example, look no further than Android and iOS or even Linux or Windows. All "single" products coming in various iterations.

P.S.

It took me one read, not five, to get that.

@Captain_Gonru Kind of agreed on the "we're doing their job for them", although it seems a bit too strong for my taste. I don't know if Nintendo is skimming all Nintendo related articles and websites but it seems a bit over the top that this would be the main reason for them to not reveal their newest product.

@Captain_Gonru Takey Turney? Oh, dear...
And chess by mail. Now all of a sudden I'm thrown back into the era of phone modem connected computing, with all those lovely sounding squeaks and crackles...

@rjejr P.P.S.

If the average game reporter/journalist can more easily convince you what a certain business person's speech means than a seasoned, well versed sales & marketing professional, then I might as well quit my newly started business, throw in the towel and look for a job in community services landscaping or flipping burgers...

@ThanosReXXX "It took me one read, not five, to get that."

Well maybe if you read it 4 more times you'd see things my way.

The opening of the interview seemed off to me. Like Reggie wasn't prepared for it, or had something else on his mind, or is just sick and tired of waiting for Ntinedo to reveal NX, just like we are. He probably goes home or to bars every night after work and he's the butt of jokes from both family and friends - "So, um, Reggie, I hear your company is releasing a new product in March, but you still haven't announced it yet. What's wrong, isn't your body ready? Hardy har har Reggie replies sarcastically.

So anyway, that first paragraph seems like Reggie way off his game, caught off guard. By the 2nd he's back to his usable corporate BS nonsense filled of big words he probably doens't know the meaning of.

And of course, all those "the" and "it" could mean a platform, but how? Yes, years ago Iwata said "brothers" or something about systems playing together, but since then, it's all looked like 1 console to me. I've been saying Nintedo should get out of the home console market for years, so I am probably biased that way, but what do you see that turns Reggie's words into 2 or more consoles? What news? What rumours? What Wii U sales #s? What Wii U games that belong on a home console? MK, SSB, XC, HW, NSMB, all on handheld. They don't NEED a home console, their home console doens't have any home console games, it has 2D sidescrollers like Kirby and Yoshi. What leads you to believe Reggie is talking about 2 systems, a home and away console? And that's coming from me, and I coined "Home" and "Away" (I think @Captain_Gonru will back me on that) and it's what I want. [If that sounds contradictory, I WANT Ntneod to release a home console, but I THINK it would be in their best interests to focus on handhelds since Wii U has been such a massive failure. And Gamecube sold poorly. And N64 sold poorly. And Wii was the outlier lighting in a bottle.]

So just where is this "platform" gut feeling of yours coming from, b/c I just can't see it anymore. Not saying it's Nvidia, but it doesn't have to be, doe sit? DMP M3400, AMD ARM are plausible. But DMP is only plausible for a handheld, not a home console. HNF and SMD64 have given reasons, but I see no real leads.

I want a home console powered by AMD, but that seems to be the only option, and at this point I'm more likely to believe ARM in a hybrid than x86 in Home.

http://venturebeat.com/2015/07/16/more-hints-that-amd-is-building-nintendo-nxs-processor/

“I will say that one is x86 and the other is ARM, and at least one will be beyond gaming, right. … They [the customers] are going to announce it and then … you will find out that it is AMD’s APU that is being used in those products.”

Where is the ARM processor going if not in NX? I'd guess x86 could be in a VR headset or laptop, but what would be there big win w/ ARM? Tell me where that ARM contract went, then we can start to talk about x86 in a Home.

Sure, it's still possible, anything is possible b/c all we know is Zelda and March 2017 - and to be honest I'm even beginning to worry about March 2017 - but right now I'm 85% hybrid, 15% Home and Away, but mostly b/c I want it.

@Captain_Gonru Well, I did kind of agree with you, didn't I? But to say that we are doing ALL the work for them seems a bit too much for me, is all.

@ThanosReXXX "If a simple game reporter/journalist can more easily convince you"

I really just answered this in that long reply above, but to succinctly answer it - nobody ever convinces me of anything. I am not persuaded by anyone's argument, I take the information available and make my own decisions.

And the journalist here was not promoting any agenda, was not doing any interpretation of Reggie's words like somebody would on youtube or Twitter. I can't even recall the question, I was only focused on Reggie's own words and reading between the lines. So your comment seems misplaced from start to end. I never look to anyone to affect my decision making process, just to supply information so I can decide on my own. That's not easy to do, but I try. It's also why I don't care too much about the opionons of anybody on youtube or twitter, I really just watch and read them so see what information they make available so I can make my own informed decisions. Though admittedly I like to see how other people make decisions on the facts, and there is a lot to learn from others peoples opions, sometimes ideas do come to light, seeing information in ways I myself may not have seen it - positively for instance, b/c I don't do positive or optimistic - but I'm not easily swayed.

OK, I just went back and reread the interview, they never once ask him outright or hint at NX being 1 or more consoles, nor do they make any effort at all at trying to interpret what he said or what he meant, so I'm not sure what you think I could have been convinced by.

I was only focused on Reggies words, what he said, - "the", "the", "it", "uniqueness", "positioning for the product". Really, it's not so much his use of pronouns as it is is concern for "positioning a unique product". A home console isn't "unique", it doesn't need to be "positioned". A handheld isn't "unique", it doens't need to be "positioned". A hybrid, that isn't as powerful as a home console but lets you play those games on the road, and lets you play handheld games on a big screen tv, that is "unique" and needs "positioning" from power and price points, b/c it's going to be less powerful than a home but more expensive than a typical handheld, a hybrid is a tightrope over the abyss.

So much for succinct, huh?

@rjejr "What leads you to believe Reggie is talking about 2 systems"

Re-read my previous comments, and #190. The point is that I'm simply discrediting EVERYTHING he's saying as marketing blurb, rhetoric speech or copy/paste statements. I'm just telling you from my own experience and business knowledge that mentioning words like "product" are not to be taken as definitive proof for a single device, like I showed by giving you multiple examples. Hell, come to think of it, even "man" as in humankind, is in some ways a product. And last time I checked we also come in all kinds of shapes, sizes and races.

And my "beliefs" if we can even call them that (I rather go by the ideology that I always use, which is deductive reasoning and logic) are based upon all the statements that have come out of Nintendo by people other than Reggie, because I seriously put 10 times more weight into any single word that mr. Kimishima says than an entire interview that Reggie Fils-Aime gives.

Kimishima is a serious, honest business man who hasn't set a foot wrong in his entire career, and probably not even in his entire life. He plots and double-checks his strategies WAY before he acts them out, which is why he has been such a successful leader in everything he has done so far, in my humble opinion.

He has succeeded in every endeavor he has ever had a hand in and he never had to mince words or speak in double tongues to do it, and I have followed this man's career ever since he became Nintendo's new president.

"so I'm not sure what you think I could have been convinced by."

comment #105: "I just knew it was going to be written by Damo as he tries to hammer home his EG viewpoint. And I'll give him this, it's working."

Seems to me like you were about to be swayed. As a person with my backlog of experience, I both subjectively AND objectively see my words weighing in heavier on that specific topic. 28 years in the IT business, of which 15 years in sales & marketing specifically. No game journalist has a resume that big, especially none from any website we know. So you'll understand I'll go by my own knowledge and experience any day of the week.

But I know where you're coming from by now, and I tip my hat to your continuous interrogative demeanor, and of course I know that you make up your own mind. Any sane person our age would be foolish not to do so.

But I guess we have to blame Nintendo for all the doubts and questions because of them not denying or confirming anything, let alone actually making any kind of decent statement that we can subtract something comforting from.

It's like HNF said in the comments section underneath one of his video's: Nintendo not saying anything has already done way more damage to the NX brand than it should have. Which was an answer to someone asking him if he thought that his rumor videos were damaging because they could be wrong.

Besides the totally insane videos that he sometimes makes, (and some tweets and other comments he made) that showed me that he is actually a very logical and down to earth guy. And he should be, as a high level IT tech guy, which is his professional occupation. These people can be kind a nerdy and weird, like all the IT stereotypes we know and love to hate, but they are smart and at the level where he is at, they can certainly have connections in various businesses, which is where his leaks could come from. And him having the job that he has, at least means he can actually interpret the information he gets in the correct way, contrary to a certain attention-seeking "lady of pleasure" that was mentioned here in another article...

Anyway, I hope this comment and my relatively easy and broad explanation of why "the product" can just as easily be multiple things, as real world examples have clearly shown, is now obvious. I just wouldn't focus or linger on Reggie's words to much. He's a hobbyist spin doctor with a serious communication problem that tries (and partly succeeds) to lay out a smoke curtain to confuse journalist and in the process dismay a lot of dedicated Nintendo fans.

My advice to you and to all is to wait until mr. Kimishima speaks, that will contain far more concrete info than even a dozen of Reggie's could ever give you...

@ThanosReXXX Still haven't found anybody dating in my past months worth of comments, but I did find these few paragraphs written 4 weeks ago today. It's basically a better written version of what I just wrote - I want a home, but Ntineod should do a handheld instead, b/c nobody cares what I want, not even me.

"And that's my great divide. B/c I want a 3 system platform, but I've been saying for years Ntinedo should get out of the home console market and just make a handheld w/ TV out, so I can't really complain that they are doing the right thing, even if it leaves me, a non-portable player, underwhelmed.
Oh, and the whole March thing. That doens't work for anything over $200, and that's a handheld.
So maybe they are out of competition w/ Sony and MS, maybe they want to be different. Apple will never take over home and office desktop PCs from MS, they just won't, but iPads and iPhones are doing well. Nintnedo owns the handheld w/ TV out market, maybe that's good enough for them? That's not enough for me as a gamer to be impressed, but it's enough for me as an intelligent person to think they are doing the right thing. Anybody making videogame systems for poor 50 year old men is an idiot."

I'm only reposting that /c I think it shows I wasn't swayed by anything in that Reggie interview, it was just fitting in w/ my already preconceived mindset that I've had for the past 4 weeks, hyrbid in March. Admittedly not the best way to read things, w/ preconceived notions, but I figure being aware of my own prejudices helps in my decision making.

@rjejr "I wasn't swayed by anything in that Reggie interview"
No, I didn't mean the Reggie interview, but Damo's efforts, apparently, which seems to me is exactly what you were saying when you said:
"I just knew it was going to be written by Damo as he tries to hammer home his EG viewpoint. And I'll give him this, it's working."

It wouldn't be working if I could get you to step into my train of thought instead. It's a great train to be on: making up your own mind is part of the package. Blindly believing every bit of gas passed by any random site or tweet queen isn't...

"Oh, and the whole March thing. That doens't work for anything over $200, and that's a handheld."

How so? They've been busy designing and making NX ever since the Wii U rolled off the conveyor belt, so that isn't necessarily true. And where did you get that price from?

Also, VR head sets come in both ARM and x86, depending on the brand and specs. And a laptop could also easily be ARM, which is why there are also so many rumors of an x86 home console and an ARM (which both Nvidia and DMP offer) handheld so that's another thing you were wondering about solved...

@Captain_Gonru The like brothers comment indeed...
That SO speaks volumes to NX being an ecosystem/shared architecture, way more than a single, hybrid device being all there is. It can most certainly be the FIRST device that they will release under the umbrella of the shared platform, but with all the info we have now, I'm not yet willing to believe anything other than that it will not be the ONLY device that they will release under that brand/ecosystem. And there are many more quotes all pointing to that evidence, tenfold more than evidence for a single device.

And we've all seen these quotes do the rounds here or on other game related sites, so anyone with some basic internet searching skills can find them...

@ThanosReXXX Oh man, Damo, you think I would be swayed by Damo, I'm so disappointed in myself.

And I am very sorry to have wasted all of your time w/ that as I obviously thought you were talking about my being convinced by the "Alist" writer, not Damo. That was very sucky of me, and very stupid.

What is working on Damo's part is only reporting on articles that prove his theory of the EG rumours. If I'm basing my opinions on info Damo is winning b/c all they ever cover here on NL is the EG stuff, not DMP or AMD. I don't blame them for not covering HNF, even if he is a brilliant man he's expressing his ideas as a conspiracy theory nut, so I dont take him all that seriously either, even if his info about DMP is good, his robot voice vids aren't doing him any favors in my eyes. Same for SMD64 intro music. PE's Snoop Dog impersonation probably puts off some "white folk" in a similar way, but I happen to like SnoopDog. Or Snoop Lion, or whatever he's calling himself these days.

But NL, being under the same ownership umbrella, certainly seems to be heavily focused on EG. And as I said to @aarronsullivan the other day, hybrid is starting to look very Occam's Razor to me. Good price, good power, 1 line of games. The real question for me now is "Why wouldn't Ntinedo go that route?" Now I don't believe everything, Nvidia, dettachable controllers, 2 USB ports. All of that may have been around, but it doens't make it finished product.

And things can always change. Maybe at the beginning they just sell 1 bundle - tablet, controllers, dock. Then later on sell only the tablet, or the tablet and controllers. Or maybe at the beginning they sell the tablet alone and a tablet-dock bundle, which would sort of make it 2 systems, Home and Away, but w/ the same tablet "Core". That's where things kind of get confusing, b/c then they could have 2 "Cores", cheap and expensive, AMD and ARM, or X1 and Parker, in seperate Home and Away bundles - Home bundled w/ dock and "Pro controller", Away bundled w/ detachable controllers. But does that make it 1 system or 2 if the "core' is the same tablet format and they are still interchangeable?

I started calling it tesseract awhile back, before the orignal EG article if my comments are anything to go by.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/07/multiple_sources_outline_a_portable_nx_with_detachable_controllers_including_a_base_station_for_tv

Nintendo Tesseract. Now you're playing with power.

And b/c #s speak louder than words

1996 N64 33 million 1994 PS 102 million
2001 Gamecube 21 million 2000 PS2 155 million
2006 Wii 101 million 2005 PS3 83 million
2012 Wii U 13 million 2013 PS4 40 million

N64, Gamecube and Wii U #s compared to it's main Sony competition are the main reason a businessman like Kimishima would get out of the "Home" console business. If they can make a handheld w/ more than Wii U power, just do that.

@Captain_Gonru I'm not going back to look for it now, still trying to figure out which of you guys had a date recently, but yeah, "brothers" could have meant 3DS, 2DS, Wi U and 1 NX hybrid.

Or, as I just surmised, the "Core" tablet is sold as both a $200 "Away" w/ detachable controllers, and as a $299 "Home" w/ a Pro controller and dock. Same system though, so you could take the Home w/ you, just no deatahble controllers. And you could plug your Away into a dock at a friends house. So NX would simultaneously be 2 systems and be the same system. More like Siamese twins than just brothers. OK, identical twins, don't know why I said siamese.

I like that idea, b/c my kids can spend $200 each on handhelds, I can spend $300 to play on my tv. They play the same games.

Oh, that's nothing new, been my mantra since late July. Just a confusing thing b/c I'm not sure if that makes it a hybrid or not, or identical twins. Maybe 1 $349 hybrid bundle w/ dock, Pro and deatachbale controllers. 1 of the rumours was 3 skus, that would cover it - $200 Away, $300 Home, $349 both. Maybe $199, $249, $299, I'm not married to the $.

@rjejr You don't have to figure out if I'm the one who had a date or not, even a fictional one, because I can tell you, cross my heart and all that stuff, that it wasn't me. I would remember having one, like I already told you. The opposite is actually happening: because of you mentioning it, I'm trying to remember the last time when I went on an actual date, and for the life of me, I can't. Sad but true...

And I don't think that the whole hybrid idea is starting to look like "Occam's Razor", since that would mean that no more assumptions would need to be made, yet that whole idea misses so many essential components, making it at best only partially true, as in "about the handheld version" but not the entire story.

No need to call yourself stupid, either in jest or in earnest: I don't mind reading or reacting to your comments. Between you, me, @aaronsullivan, @Captain_Gonru and a handful of others that I like to read and react to, we can at least have a normal, civil conversation regardless of if we agree or not, which is all I ask for in a discussion.

On the topic of our YouTube friends: I've always learned to poke straight through the tin foil and gather the relevant information, so non-standard presentations, drug-induced intro music or slightly over the top images and animations don't deter me and don't distract me, and neither does ethnicity of the presenter: I like people that make sense, and whether they are of my own race or any other color doesn't matter to me; they could be purple with yellow and green dots for all I care, as long as they have a good story and can back up or explain what they are claiming and how they came by it.

What I don't like is guys that REALLY go over the top, like OBE1Plays. If I would compare him to HNF on a crazy scale from 1 to 10, then HNF would be 1 and he would be 10. He's super annoying, and even more so because he is totally fake. And THAT is what is distracting to me: I can't absorb anything he is saying because of him looking ridiculous, waving his arms making weird faces and screaming. I try every now and then, but most of the times, I never even make it past the 40 second mark, and that's already quite an achievement on my part...

HNF's "robot voice" (it's a simple text to speech program) is used because he wasn't sure that Nintendo would be watching him or not and he also wasn't sure what he was allowed to discuss. You may not know this, but a couple of months before the E3, even a relatively large channel as SMD64's was "kindly" requested to remove a total of 5 videos discussing NX and future plans of Nintendo, and one discussing a game leak.

But now that HNF has already shown us his face and his professional profile, I'm expecting him to do videos with his own voice anytime soon, as he always intended to, according to his own words.

Oh, and Iwata's "like brothers" quote can never be mistaken for meaning a hybrid, at least not in this universe: it specifically states "home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems".

There isn't a weird enough logic in this world to be able to translate that to a single, hybrid device.

And also this statement from Iwata, pointing to the exact same thing and strategy:

"What we mean by integrating platforms is not integrating handhelds devices and home consoles to make only one machine. What we are aiming at is to integrate the architecture to form a common basis for software development so that we can make software assets more transferable, and operating systems and their built-in applications more portable, regardless of form factor or performance of each platform."

And this is one specifically pointing out that Iwata wanted to adopt Apple's idea of a shared OS/ecosystem for Nintendo devices, another ironclad point for several devices sharing one software platform, NOT one device sharing two functions:

"To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples."

I don't take these statements coming from official quarterly financial reports lightly. Plans can always change, but this was the last financial report that Mr. Iwata was personally involved in and shortly after that, he passed away.

The entire company has explained multiple times that they would take Mr. Iwata's plans and execute them to the letter and make Iwata-san's idea a huge success, so the whole company is invested in this idea and this strategy.

The consolidation/integration of the separate departments is also often cited as evidence to a hybrid system, but again I object (and also not saying you said that, just speaking in general on what people seem to think is logical even though the evidence shows something else). The statements made earlier and this additional bit explain that away too, and with such a clarity, that believing otherwise is just ridiculous:

"They will also work to avoid software lineup shortages or software development delays which tend to happen just after the launch of new hardware.
Some time ago it was technologically impossible to have the same architecture for handheld devices and home consoles and what we did was therefore reasonable. Although it has not been long since we began to integrate the architecture and this will have no short-term result, we believe that it will provide a great benefit to our platform business in the long run."

The underlined bit clearly stressing that although this strategy has already been set in motion, the process is still on-going, obviously meaning that this measure is relevant for the NX systems, not for something current, since the Wii U and the 3DS don't share an "integrated architecture".

@ThanosReXXX Hard to rely on the words of a man whos been dead about a year now. For all we know he wanted Home and Away but Kimishima put the kabosh on Home so now we only have Away with tv out. That would help explain the 4-5 month delay that I think happened.

One thing that dawned on me a little while ago that goes against a hybrid but not enough for me to rule it out. I've been so worried about my kids having to pay an extra $50 for a tv out dock they'll never use, it never dawned on me that I'll be paying more than $50 for a 6.2" 720p display that I'll never use as I keep the tablet hooked up to my tv. Why not make a screen less tablet and save me $50 with a simple box?

So that's a good reason to make 2 consoles, no tesseract, wasted screen costs. But then I remember they wasted $100 on a Gamepad screen they rarely used in games, (and should have been tethered with a 10' wire to save on battery, thats as far as it worked anyway) so why wouldn't they make me pay for a screen that spends 5 years sitting in a dock?

So yeah, I'll pay $50 for a screen I'll never use, but only if it saves my kids $50 each for no dock in a cheaper handheld bundle, I'm ok with it. Plus most people will use it, I just don't game that way.

@Captain_Gonru I define a date as going for a drink or a bite to eat with a woman.

On topic: not "juuuust enough room", it explicitly and quite elaborately states in completely unmistakable terms why it's not a single device, let alone a hybrid. Which is why I highlighted the relevant parts, for clarity and easy reading...

Like I already previously suggested, they might just as well come out with 3 SKU's: a dedicated home console, a dedicated handheld, and the EuroGamer device, the last one being for those who want the benefit of both devices, but aren't willing to buy two separate devices to get it.

Obviously, they'd have to be okay with having a sub-par home experience, unless there is indeed a dock offering an additional bit of power squaring things off again... Rumors are appearing that there is going to be a Direct on the 13th of September, but even if that isn't true, I'm expecting some official statement coming out of Nintendo HQ in that same month...

@rjejr "Hard to rely on the words of a man whos been dead about a year now."
Personally, I think that's on you, but I can do you one better.
Read 'em and weep, my friend:
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/kimishima-predicted-wii-u-failure-will-not-change-iwata-plans/0155901

And don't make me pull the "I've worked with Asians and Western people grossly misinterpret how much honor and dignity means to them, especially in a company situation." card again...

Ah, screw it, here we go:

If they said they would execute mr. Iwata's plan to the letter, to honor him and make him proud, then they will do exactly that. It would be highly dishonorable for an Asian to interfere with that, so I'm betting they won't and will fulfill their promise of making NX the best it can be, for Iwata, as they themselves have so fervently stated in previous interviews.

Oh, and the Tesseract is mine, along with all the other Infinity stones in the glove, so that's not going to be in any Nintendo device soon...

@rjejr As far as your multiple device & dock issue is concerned: if there is indeed a dock and it has it's own CPU and GPU along with some kind of wireless connection protocol (think like what was in the Wii U GamePad, only better and for multiple devices) then it could potentially be possible to sync multiple handhelds/hybrids with the dock, getting access to the additional computing power.

It would be somewhat the same as multiplayer with one cartridge and several handhelds. But I assume that in general, most kids have their own room, so that would also mean their own console and TV, which in the new situation would mean their own handheld and dock, so you'd probably have to get a couple of them any way. Unless it works like I said and you can convince them to share one dock...

It crossed my mind that it could potentially pose a problem with charging a device in the dock, unless the rumored double USB ports can also offer that functionality, so you could hook up multiple devices for charging.

@Captain_Gonru Who knows? The GamePad's protocol in and of itself was actually quite the interesting bit of engineering. It just wasn't powerful enough to carry over long distances. And who knows what else DeNA has been helping them with? They are masters of online maintenance and gaming, so maybe they could also aid in making a better streaming protocol.

@Captain_Gonru And it is exhausting indeed. But I feel pretty confident about a September announcement. Whether it'll be the 13th or the 30th of September remains to be seen, but for me personally, I just feel like a couple more weeks won't matter all that much anyway, so 2 weeks, 4 weeks, what the hey... it'll happen when it'll happen.

@aaronsullivan @rjejr @Captain_Gonru This video is interesting, even though it's a little older. And looking at his subscriber count, there are more people than me that think that this is yet another smarter than average YouTuber/Nintendo fan:

He might make some totally crazy videos, but I tip my hat to this guy for his research skills and it all seems to fall into place in a very logical way. And it's yet another piece of near confirmed evidence towards multiple devices...

And on the 9th of September we will have the SNUG2016 event that he also mentions in the description...
Enjoy, gentlemen...

@ThanosReXXX @Captain_Gonru @rjejr
Mostly sitting this one out... well I'll drop this:

Here's my thing:

If this is a home console only it had better be a XB1/PS4 competitor and at least have something to differentiate, because if not it's worse than Wii U. None of these rumors of different chips and super power and standard console seem to have even the smallest hint of what differentiating feature it could have. Maybe it's price? Good luck competing with slim, etc. So that makes me skeptical of console-only launch at the start (March).

Portable-only launch at the start makes even less sense. The Wii U is dead and Nintendo has basically told people not to buy it by saying we don't expect it to sell much of anything and we are releasing exactly one more very modest looking game on it. The 3DS is getting a bit of a last push here with Pokemon at least. Why replace the 3DS and not the Wii U?

So, what is it? Both at once? And what does that look like?

Hybrid or two separate devices that play the same games.

So, maybe it's two separate devices launching at the same time but that seems nutty from a manufacturing standpoint. Truly nutty.

Either way, software is supposed to work on both or be easily portable to both so we can have almost all the games, so I guess I just don't care that much anymore.

The good news is that there seems a scenario with the hybrid solution that could appeal to me which I could never get to back when @rjejr would mention it back in the day and people imagined it. In the current climate it seems like it might just fit and be compelling enough to buy into. So, it could work for me and I'm happy about that.

I'll always prefer paying whatever amount (even $400+) for a powerful home console set up from Nintendo, but I don't see how it makes a lot of sense right now.

@ThanosReXXX How do you square all of these ideas with the sales trends for Nintendo's home consoles?

Maybe the West gets a console and the Japanese get the portable. What an internet fanboy disaster that would be! lol.

@aaronsullivan If you want to discuss what is possible and logical, then please do me a little favor and take 11 minutes of your time and watch only the third video in comment #214. It sums up most of my thoughts on the matter perfectly.

And be absolutely sure to read the description underneath the last video I posted in that same comment. No need to watch that video, but do read the description. It's important and more over, it's factual...
I'll be more than happy to hear from you when you've digested that bit of info...

@Captain_Gonru @aaronsullivan @ThanosReXXX I gotta go cook dinner, but Sony has a live press event scheduled for September 13 ahead of TGS.

http://nichegamer.com/2016/08/24/sony-japan-pre-tokyo-game-show-2016-event-set-for-september-13/

That, and if they are showing off not 1 but 2 consoles in an ND, well it's dead before it launches, you can't do that for new hardware. Maybe a New 2DS or Wii U without a gamepad, but they can't show off all of NX in an ND.

So, maybe an ND, but it will be for a wii U price cut and the Cloud and Bayonetta amiibo, not NX. Can't be. Even a $200 handheld with TV out deserves a live audience event, Nintendo World like.

I'll be back after watching those videos after dinner.

@rjejr Keep that comments section underneath that latest HNF video in your sights: I've done my devil's advocate routine and asked him a question concerning some info that I found on the page linked in his description. I'm curious as to how he's going to tackle that one...

@ThanosReXXX
That third video is making my point for me. He's essentially saying "hey the event is in September how come there isn't more solid info from the people with sources, there's just all this stuff, a mock-up with detachable controllers and motion and screen information and..." Well, what does the other side have? Where is the controller form factor? The other "new way to play" that a standard console will have? Where are those leaks if it's that close? Because we are basically close to a reveal, and third parties do have the kits and stuff does usually leak.

He dismisses all the info because it's not enough for being this close, but then — whoops, the other leaks like from SMD64's source have much less, in my opinion. Certainly nothing as "new way to play" as a major game company's system that works as a portable and home console equally and promotes multiplayer with one device on the go with detachable controllers. The competition is "but AMD and power". (Unfairly dismissive, right?)

As far as words of Nintendo, that Iwata quote about what Nintendo was doing behind the scenes was in response to people deciding specifically what was coming next. He was explaining that his previous comments weren't meant to suggest that the solution was going to be one hybrid device — that wasn't his intention to communicate that — but what he initially said was the engineers set out to make a common platform going forward that many devices could work in regardless of performance so games wouldn't be divided so strongly as it was with 3DS and Wii U, for instance.

He wasn't saying: "We are making multiple devices not a hybrid". That's taking it out of context.

There were comments about having not decided how to take advantage of that set up as well. Iwata's strategy could easily have been predicated on what the market was headed towards. Hypothetically planning something like "If it looks like Sony and Microsoft are going to support games of a certain power for 7 or more years like we think it may, let's do the hybrid. If not, we may be forced to keep them separate devices." The flexible platform plan was partly there to give them the ability to choose. If this was his strategy, then the new guy sticking right to what Iwata says covers all the NX possibilities we are discussing.

I personally don't find the stuff in HNG's comment very compelling. OpenGL has moved on to Vulkan and there is about a 105% chance Nintendo will be using it on whatever chipset it goes with for all it's devices it won't be licensing DirectX 12 from Microsoft, and Apple doesn't share Metal. Vulkan is simply the modern open way to do 3D.

As far as the cross platform stuff: Yeah, Nintendo will use Unity and maybe that other stuff. It tells me so little and weakly supports the ideas of some other chipsets. The only thing that does for me is reinforce the hybrid as not being Tegra X1 which doesn't rule out the hybrid model at all (X1 could easily be a stand-in on dev kits and misinterpreted by sources which I guess happened in the lead up to the 3DS).

The cross-platform stuff can be about all sorts of things including porting Wii U and 3DS software forward to this new device no matter the chipset.

Anyway, it's not clear at all, but I'm still leaning just a bit towards this hybrid thing. Some of the specifics seem off and people have different and unformed ideas about it causing all sorts of bias, but it still seems slightly more plausible to me. I lean heavier towards preferring a home console oriented piece of hardware from Nintendo for myself, but I'm happy enough with both possibilities (and others).

@aaronsullivan He is just speculating on the September reveal. He is not saying that it's actually the case. And there is more info, I gave you most of it in these and multiple previous comments over the past few months.

And how the heck can you discredit the CEDEC information? That's a factual breakdown of the event, so those things happened. You can't say that this information isn't significant or relevant. It is information that can be verified, and is openly available, contrary to the whole Nvidia rumor. And it's not so much about Vulkan, but about what it can do and how it can play a role in making cross-platform development easier, which (because of DMP's presence and leading role in the event) ultimately leads to the conclusion that there is more reason to believe that they will provide the handheld SoC instead of Nvidia.

And PlayerEssence also did a really good job in his video that you just watched, in which he is quite easily countering almost all bits of Nvidia-related rumor mongering with a healthy dose of logic.

So, not clear at all? I seriously beg to differ, and not because I WANT it to be true rather than some wonky Nvidia hybrid device, but because the facts are there, and you can compare notes from the two sides and no matter which way you look at it, there is WAY more tangible info available to support something that is NOT Nvidia related than there is to support something that is.

We could also do a SPoF breakdown on both camps to see which direction to take would be more logical and like I said, there really is a TON more info related to anything other than Nvidia. We don't even have to take AMD into account specifically.

The Tegra/Parker/Nvidia rumor has NO basis in reality, there are no facts, there is no tangible proof, NOTHING, just like PlayerEssence also states and like I have been saying all along.

Show me two lists where Nvidia rumors with some factual background that can be checked outnumber other rumors that do have additional information readily available and we'll go from there.

Or maybe we need to wait a bit longer and see what additional facts are going to come out of this SNUG2016 event on the 9th of September and then pick up where we left off here...

@ThanosReXXX

Video 1, kind of pointless. I just watched it 10 minutes ago and I can't recall anything of interest he said. Personally I don't think it's infrared though. That may have made sense in a protype, but hopefully they be smart enough to to switch over too Bluetooth or something for the Gina product.

Video 2, my boy easy E had nothing new, just that he's cynical about rumours. Well that is a good lesson for all of us. Oh, he screwed up on 2 USB ports being enough. I have 3 portals for DI, Skylanders and Lego D, plus ethernet, plus thumb drive, so that's 5. And I need an empty 1 to charge my Pro controller, so really I need 6, not 2.

Video 3, oh he's skeptical. I do agree Nvidia seems like a longshot, but DMPs would have to be a handheld, so would ARM, leaving only x86 for a Home, so the odds are 66% hybrid handheld even after excluding Nvidia. And no news so close to reveal, so what. Show me all the NES mini rumours, then we can talk. That thing came completely out of nowhere. So he's going in circles. He keeps saying there is no news, and at the same time he's discrediting all the EG news he doesn't like. So there is plenty of news, he just doesn't agree with it. And I can massage all of Nintendo words just like he does. You don't like my interpretation of Reggie, I don't like his of Kimishima and Iwata.

Problem with all these guys, nobody is trying to find the truth, they are all trying to prove their side or disprove the other. It's like a courtroom with 2 attorneys, nobody wants the truth, just guilty or innocent.

@ThanosReXXX

Video 4 What's the world coming too when SMD64 is the voice of reason? My problem is if M3400 is the Away, what makes sense for its brother Home? DMPs can be a hybrid or an unrelated 2DS successor, but I don't see it working for Home and Away. What is in Home then?

Video 5 Is that HNF? Why can't he freaking just make a normal video? It's like he's making a Matthew McCaughey car commercial. I forgot about the 2 job descriptions, probably the best and only info for Home and Away. Though I could imagine ways they work, like my 2 bundles mentioned earlier. Even with the same hardware they could sell it separately and differently, maybe with a different game in each bundle. Or those are job openings for this holiday for Wii U and 3DS. Those AMD Yahoo reports which I read somewhere were discredited. I still think it could be ARM. If there is Home and Away 85-15, AMD gets it. I just wish HFN would drop the crap editing and explain his point in a normal voice. Showoff.

@ThanosReXXX Re: your reply to Aaron

You seem very focused on Nvidia, Aaron seems very focused on Home and Away or hybrid, they aren't the same discussions, and you guys are talking past each other I think. Just looking at the last 2 comments you guys wrote to each other.

@rjejr And how about my "interpretation" aka simply quoting facts on Iwata and Kimishima?
These are pretty conclusive statements, made in quarterly financial meetings and recorded for posterity. Discrediting Reggie is easy as pie, as I already showed you before.

And there's no proof corroborating 66% hybrid, not even 10%.
Dave's video was only speculation, and he clearly states so at the beginning. PlayerEssence is indeed reiterating some stuff he has already said in previous videos, but basically, so are we and that's mostly because of a lack of official info and all you can do in that case is hold new, or partially new rumors to the light and verify them by measuring them up against what can be known and what little we did find out, and as such, a lot of it can be discredited, even without the presence of official info.

Both Nvidia and DMP are ARM, so no argument there. And yes, that would mean x86 for the home console part, or in a worst case scenario another ARM with some custom built functionalities tacked on for compatibility with third party triple A titles.

But the info from the CEDEC conference (if you have read that bit underneath HNF's video (which I said you didn't have to watch, since you knew beforehand it was going to be another crazy ride), if not, go to the YouTube page of that video and tell me what you make of that) is pretty conclusive, and it is now all but a given that the Vulkan API is going to be used.

Now, please take note of the following: the specific handle of Vulkan is that it simplifies cross-platform development, so from chipset to chipset and yes, from system to system. Exhibit A (or is it Z by now? I lost count... ) in favor of NX being several systems and not one hybrid. You don't need cross platform development for a hybrid device; that would make no sense whatsoever, which would also make using Vulkan rather unnecessary, since that is one of it's specific strengths.

I also refer the jury back to comment #205, and the specific paragraph (halfway down) of Iwata saying why Nintendo needs to be more like Apple. Vulkan, and probably their own new Operating System, tentatively called NinOS, will help them achieve that. And that is also where the old rumor of home and away (credits to you, old man) sharing the same game cartridge fits in again.

I hear you say "but what about porting from PS4 to NX?" Well, that could be the only exception, but only in the case of existing games being ported. If NX versions of games are made alongside the other versions, then there is no need for porting from one console to the other. The only porting happening then will be the usual trajectory: development of assets and artwork on PC workstations and then porting to the dev kits to fit it all together and test drive it.

Six USB ports? Hm, that's going to be a stretch regardless of which brand of console. Sounds to me like you need a hub. Don't know if these work on consoles, though...

I'm kind of going back and forth to read your comments and then typing bits of my reply, so now I have to add a bit more on PlayerEssence and his video with his skepticism and likes/dislikes (which are almost identical to mine):
There really isn't that much more info to speak of, it's more like a variation on a theme with more rumors to support the previous rumors. Piggy backing, giving it more virtual structure et al, but nothing concrete so far. No mentioning of sources, other than that specific word (sources) "legitimized" with the additive "reliable" as if that is somehow going to make the story more true, regardless of the absence of evidence.
Ergo: no proof whatsoever.

Oh, and SMD64 is always making sense. If you can't filter that out of his videos... He always supports his claims, even if it is only an opinion piece, and it shows that he is always carefully considering and weighing the material before he even tries to discuss it, and that is why I personally like listening to what he has to say.

As per your court room analogy, if we were to present the hard evidence now available for both camps, then camp Nvidia wouldn't even be allowed to attend by the judge, because they have no case, no witnesses other than hear-say, and no evidence.

AMD/DMP on the other hand...

I for one am quite curious as to what will come out of that SNUG2016 conference on the 9th of September, where DMP will also be speaking, which you can read in HNF's video description...

" I just wish HFN would drop the crap editing and explain his point in a normal voice. Showoff."

Couldn't agree more, and if he is true to his word, he will start adding his own voice to his videos soon.

"Re: your reply to Aaron"

Well, because I read you saying that, and because I'm always open to suggestions, I re-read my own and his comments, but I must be missing something. We were discussing the quotes and the videos, and we simply disagree, although I do see a bit of miscommunication here and there, but I often credit that to having to interpret someone else's text, which happens with the best of us. But fair point. And I did find out from re-reading them that I may have come across a bit harsh, so if that is also how it felt to you, @aaronsullivan, then I apologize because that was not my intent.

Anyways gentlemen, it's WAY past my bedtime here, so I'm off. I'll be reading all your responses to my impeccable comments tomorrow, so see you guys then...

@rjejr Oh, and if the handheld and/or hybrid is DMP, then what would make the most sense for home is indeed for it to be AMD, and the aforementioned Vulkan API will then be the software aiding in cross-development between the two.

But rather, we should say ARM and x86 instead of DMP and AMD or any other brand. It's all about the architectures after all.

And with that, I've even added a loophole and a tiny smidgeon of hope for all the Nvidia/EuroGamer huggers, because Tegra/Parker is also ARM...

And now I'm REALLY off to dreamland. I just HAD to type this now, lest I forget it tomorrow...

@ThanosReXXX I do use a hub, that's why I have 6 USB ports. I don't expect them to put in 6, that's overkill, but 4 would be nice. I just thought that guy seem exasperated that it would even need 2. I'm guessing he's never played a toys to life game before that required a portal. Much less 3 of them.

I wasn't so much addressing your tone with Aaron as the content. The article is about Reggie addressing the issue of selling NX. It won't matter what chip is using, that won't be a selling point. It's not like the 90s when people cared about Intel Inside. Nvidia, AMD, DMP, it doesn't really matter, does it? It will somewhat for the power, but that could be said about any chips from any company. The issue at hand is 1 console or 2. (I'll leave my tablet out of it for now, it's not really part of NX anyway, just a LeapFrog competitor.)

Hope you had a good night sleep, and hope Nintendo tells us soon, we really do have better stuff to be doing with our time, even me.

@rjejr It may not be the selling point (although I know some people on here and in my own vicinity that would beg to differ) and I agree with you completely that in the end, it's all about the games, something that I also forgot to add yesterday, so there.

But the thing is, that ultimately, if you want them to be successful like most of us do, then you HAVE to have third party support so it is not going to be another niche first party console again.

And for that to happen, it doesn't need another wonky chip configuration that is going to alienate developers and publishers. So it is still a factor. And it is indeed all this waiting that continuously drives the discussion around these ever returning issues that take up more of our time than it should.

Oh, FYI: I was listening in on a live stream chat that a friend of mine had with HNF just before I went to bed. It was in Dutch, so I could send the video to you, but that wouldn't do you much good I suppose. (and yes, he did it in his own voice)

He did come up with some really good points though. He says that if you compare the first articles from EuroGamer to the later ones, and combine it all with their tweets (also mentioned in PE's skeptical video) then you will notice that they keep moving the goal posts ever so slightly.

Most people wouldn't notice because they keep the larger part of the story the same, but they add bits and pieces, even though they initially said that their original story was 100% correct, yet they still add stuff or take bits away.

And HNF also got the tweet that some new info was going to come out of EG on the 23rd, just like PE did, and as Francis/OJ already said in his video, this never happened. Later on, the guy from EG downplayed all this on Twitter. (also in PE's video, the third one in my comment with all the videos)

And then there's Ms. Rogers... HNF reported the leak of Retro Studios making a reboot of a classic IP on Twitter well over 10 minutes earlier than she reported "Retro is doing a new IP". The next thing that happened first is she tried to discredit him, and when that failed, she backpedaled and said it could be old, it could be new and that she never said that explicitly that it was new.

And people are calling HNF out, but quite a few of his rumors are new and original, and he has stuck to his original story from day one, so he's not following anyone, just reaching his own conclusions. Funny thing is that in real life, he comes across just like SMD64, kind of soft spoken, relaxed and matter of fact, so I have no idea what inner demons he needs to evoke to make those videos of his...

He is also convinced that there will be multiple devices because they can't bet all on one machine (because NX HAS to be a success in order for them to regain trust) whether it's a hybrid or not, since if that fails, they will have nothing left, and they will have ruined both their console and handheld market. Mull that one over, if you will...

Either way, the aforementioned live stream was made during a Fifa championship game, so they were chatting and gaming and NX came up, obviously. This buddy of mine has now made a deal with him to do a dedicated NX live stream, so I'll keep you posted on that if something interesting comes out of that.

P.S.

I told you in comment #218 that I asked HNF a specific question in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUfXX4qNQqM
Scroll down in the comments section to find me and read his answer. Will keep you posted on proceedings...

P.P.S.
SMD64 is going away for a week for a wedding anniversary, so things will be quiet on his end for that period.
He did add some final thoughts on the latest rumors, though:

@ThanosReXXX niche console again

I don't think Nintendo cares if they are niche. Despite iPhone taking over the world Mac PCs still lag behind Windows PC. It's not about being the leader, it's about planning in advance how many you want to sell and hitting that goal. If the goal is 25 million it doesn't matter if Sony sells 80 and MS sells 50, it's about having a plan as a company. I really don't think Nintendo cares. And they will get plenty of 3rd party support. So far 3rd party NX games outnumber 1st party 3-1, Just dance, DQ11, always forget the other, to Zelda.

Mulling over 1 console vs 2, and I think it's better to have 1 console you can sell 2 ways, as a home console or as a handheld, then to have 2 consoles that can only be sold 1 way each. If the hybrid fails as as home console it won't matter, it will succeed as a handheld, in part b/c it has no competition, and people need Pokemon, Monster Hunter, SSB, and MK. So there is actually less risk for 1 over 2, less R&D costs for one.

And put in context, people have been saying the home console market has been dieing for years. Then PS4 crushed and people stopped saying that out loud, but the sentiment has been out there. And that sentiment was loudest when Nintendo was deciding to make and other Home console or not. Even with Sony crushing it with PS4 there are some people who think it will be the last home console ever. TV are smart now, set top boxes are tiny, phones can mirror to tv, SoNY games stream to PC with a DS4. Personally I think PS5 is guaranteed, but maybe no PS6. So with that way of thinking, Nintendo isn't failing in the Home console market, they are ahead of the curve moving to mobile with TV out. HNF has it backwards.

Looked up September 13, all I can find is a guy Phillips who speculated September and people pointing out Nintendo always does September 13th, Wii, Wii U, 3DS, some Mario game. So all I found was speculation, no leak. I speculate later, after TGS. It's stupid to announce before TGS because Nintendo won't be at TGS. Between 24-30 is logical.

Going to be busy today, but I may write up everything in a forum thread, I'm sure somebody has one we can overrun. I mean take part in. I just want everything in 1 place, for and against hybrid mostly, I still don't care about the chipset.

@rjejr I personally never said 13 September was a leak: it's a rumor going around on NeoGAF and Reddit and I believe I also saw it mentioned in HNF's Twitter and YouTube page (not by him, mind you, but by some anonymous commenter)

Personally, I'm still betting that the reveal will indeed be in September, but whether it's going to be the 13th or the 30th is anyone's guess at this point...

And you are grossly missing the point of the marketing issue with either one or two devices. Please take my word for this that the damage is far, FAR greater if the supposed hybrid fails, because it will not lose one functionality in the eye of the public, the device will fail as a whole, so there is no redeeming half there for the handheld market.

And the reason for easy development, well... that is already explained away by the Vulkan API. Remember that one, discussed only a few comments ago?
Making cross-development easy, all about the sharing software on different platforms. And combine that with interchangeable cartridges between home and away, and voilà! Problem solved of having to provide two systems with games...

And that was indeed the whole idea behind consolidating these two divisions (handheld and home console depts.) into one; to save money on R&D costs and make cross development easier, not to make a hybrid. It's all in the financial report...

So, like with all bets, it's better to spread them across several numbers, instead of putting all your money in one little box. And think of the damage to their brand name if it fails: that will be something that they could potentially never come back from, and then the thing that almost none of us want, save for a few tunnel-visioned idiots, might become a reality after all, and that is them going third party or removing themselves from the video game market altogether and concentrating on theme parks and animation or whatever. No more Nintendo video game systems, ever...

That's not an image that I personally would like to see become a reality.

And you're really yanking my chain there on the chipset thing, aren't you, oh, grey one... ?

For someone with my character, I already gave way quite a bit by agreeing that for us it is indeed more about the games, and that is a big thing for me. (if you really knew me, then you'd agree. I'm pretty immovable in some aspects)

But I know that deep down you understand that even though you don't care what makes the box tick, it could have a very distinct effect on what software will appear on it, like it or not.

And thanks for proving my point with the PS4 sales. Real gamers still want dedicated devices, not TV's with built-in smart games or a small dongle providing cloud-based games only, so in our lifetime, there will still be some type of console for that demographic. And they may be incremental improvements as we see happening now with the other two parties, but dedicated devices nonetheless.

P.S.

Mulling something over takes longer than the time it took you to respond to that suggestion, even for smart people like yourself...

To mull over:
"to think deeply about something, the way you might mull over your choice of what college to attend. When you mull something over, you ponder or seriously consider it.

verb (used without object)
1. to study or ruminate; ponder.
verb (used with object)
2. to think about carefully; consider (often followed by over):
to mull over an idea."

Or maybe I should have just said: sleep on it and come back tomorrow...

@Captain_Gonru I think you meant to say NX is the BEST, most elaborate, April Fool's joke ever.

That NX prototype next to Toad runs Wii emulator just fine. It lacks physical controls, but casuals won't be needing them nowadays!

@Captain_Gonru "They would be not releasing a new system"

But, but, but...$199 pretty purple New 3DS XL that doesn't even include a game.

Which reminds me, several people on here - not from our overly active little group, other people - have said NX will be $199, maybe $249, b/c Ntineod needs to be that cheap. But how is a brand new "industry leading" console supposed to launch in 6 months at $199 if they are still selling 4 year old tech w/ 2 year old innards for $199? How can a new console be $199 when the now old New XL is $199 and the Wii U is $299?

No mater what NX is - Hone, AWay, Core, I can't see it being cheaper than $249 unless it's just a buttonless tablet, which I don't think it will be. I think Ntineod is keeping all their other prices over-inflated to NX looks good. Maybe Nitneod actually learned something, don't launch $99 Wii Mini in the US at the same time as $299/$349 Wii U.

@ThanosReXXX I never said you said September 13, I just brought it up b/c you brought it up. Apple is announcing iPhone 7 on the same day Sony announces Slim and Neo, so maybe Nintendo will pick Sept 7 too.

PS4 is doing well b/c PS1, 2 and 3. Though I think mostly b/c PS3 launched at $500/$600, PS3 at $400, X1 at $500, so people were excited about the price. I'm not sure enough people want or expect a new Nintendo home console. You, Aaron and I do, but we're way past the target market. So yes, PS4 exceeded expectations, but I'm not sure a Nintendo home console would sell.

Really, if I think about it, there are really zero reasons to have one.
No AAA 3rd party support, and even if there is, majority of those games will be playable elsewhere.
Almost all games will work on handheld, which will be chesper, and more people will want to play that way.

The Wii U has failed, getting out of the home market now and focusing on handheld does make more sense to me than splitting resources on Home and Away. And yes, you are right, having 2 escape routes is better than 1 b/c if 1 gets discovered you can take the other (The Great Escape) but if 1 of those tunnels is thru burning tar pits, volcanoes, nagma fields and quicksand, just focus all your resource on the other one.
Both ways are a gamble, 1 is more risky than 2, but if you know 1 is likely to fail anyway, why bother. And yes there is R&D involved in a home console, it would bother diffetent. If it wasn't different, then why not just make the portable have TV out?

And I leave you with this (a conversation I know we already had before but I forget how it went). Even if Nintendo made Home, I'm not sure it would be considered a home console. No HDD, no optical drive, it would be considered a set-top box by gamers, only casuals would buy it, but if there were also an Away, I think they would just buy that instead.

Gita go.

I tend to associate Reggie with jokes being made about Nintendo consoles and games, rather than clear explanations of what they're like... so I don't find this sort of statement to be particularly reassuring when it's coming from him.

@ThanosReXXX I just fund a group of about 30 emails from Sunday night. I'm hoping it's all ones I've already responded to in here, but who knows. I'll check later. About 90 to go yet.

@rjejr I'm assuming you meant to say ""found a group of emails"...

I have that sometimes too, although not so many. I have a special email account for sites like this that I don't visit all that much, other than to mark messages as read most of the time.

I just go here and see the message count in the top right corner and go from there. Check the dates on the messages and 9 out of 10 times you will indeed find that you've already answered these emails.

But how the heck do you manage to let it get to such a large number in the first place? Right after the holidays, is something I can imagine, but on a normal week day I spend at least an hour behind the PC every evening, so it never reaches over more than 10 messages max.

@rjejr And to respond to your comment #236, now that the slight disappointment and exasperation have subsided after a few days...
(except to add that at the time I read it for the first time, I was truly wondering if you were just continuously countering me for the sake of it, because of late, I can hardly get you to see any of my points, even though they are logical as hell)

You are wrong about why PS4 did good, that's not because of the previous consoles, and certainly not because of PS3, because gross mistakes were made there, which they were never able to fully rectify, even though they did manage to control the damage in the end of that generation, they never truly recovered and so Microsoft clearly won that one.

No, the PS4 is doing so well because Sony was biding its time, and let Microsoft have the lead in kick-starting the new generation. They had a similar plan in the works, with a motion camera and all, actually making their original price similar to that of the Xbox One, but because they waited and saw the mess that Microsoft made of their introduction and all the DRM rules they added to alienate the public, Sony changed their own policies and also removed their camera from the standard package, and they were therefore able to reduce the price by that much. And THAT is the real story behind the success of the PS4, because by doing that, they won over a lot of former Xbox 360 owners.

It's actually pretty well documented, so you should have no trouble at all finding it.

The thing that irked me the most (and even now I'm over it, I still feel sad about that part) is that all my experience and knowledge apparently means nothing on the internet, unless it's on LinkedIn...

Sometimes, certain people are able to gauge your know-how by what you say (or don't say) but in general, I can almost never use my knowledge as positive leverage, even if I'm dead certain that I'm right, especially if the topic at hand falls well within my area of expertise, which it often does, of late, due to the nature of the discussions, and that's annoying.

Of course I'm not completely dense and I understand that not everyone is just going to accept some anonymous person's statements as true, but in the case of kind of being acquainted with people you've met online, it should count for something.

Well, at least, that is how I see it. So when I'm honestly offering my knowledge while saying stuff like "please take my word for it" only to see it being swept off the table in the next second, that really feels kind of crappy, to put it VERY mildly...

I know sales & marketing, and my area of expertise is IT, which isn't that different from consoles, especially where internal hardware is concerned. I know prices, I know manufacturing costs and I know how much time planning and executing certain trajectories can cost, since I'm an actual professional and not some kid pretending to be one online just to look interesting... /end rant

Okay, sorry for that, but I just had to get that off my chest, nothing personal, really...

As for the consoles/handhelds/form factors or whatever we need to call them: there IS still a market for dedicated devices for years to come, even for Nintendo ones, so not everyone will be interested in either a handheld or a hybrid, so Nintendo actually NEEDS something for that group of people too, and that is indeed the same type that also owns or would potentially also buy any (or both) of the other two consoles.

I have a friend that always buys all home consoles, but isn't really into handhelds, so if the NX truly is more of a handheld, then he will probably not buy it. And worldwide, there will be millions upon millions of people just like him that would do the same.

Nintendo could do quite well without them, because the group of handheld gamers is far greater (well over 50 million) so if they can keep these hooked with the new device, then they will probably be more than happy, but they will still potentially lose many millions of dedicated home console gamers as well.

And the failure of a single device really IS damning, there are no if's, and's or but's about it, so having more options is the better strategy, no matter which way you look at it.

Just look at the Wii U and the 3DS: the latter literally saved Nintendo's hide for a large portion of it's life span, while the Wii U was floundering and struggling. If Nintendo wouldn't have had that option, then they would have been in a MUCH worse situation by now.

And yes, it was basically the handheld that saved them, so it might seem to make sense to focus on that now, but as a company that always had multiple devices, you wouldn't want to suddenly go and bet all your money on a single device, since if that fails, you literally have NOTHING to fall back on. Because of them already losing a lot of public trust through the failure of the Wii U, they couldn't suffer even more damage, since yet another failure could potentially be irreparable.

Unless their movie and theme park initiatives are going to take off like crazy, which I don't think they will, since that will take some time, as in several years, to generate any profit to speak of, so their console business is still where it's at for them for some time to come.

But literally ALL the business decisions they have taken so far, and the statements they have made AND the plans they have laid out (which have not changed due to mr. Iwata's passing, as stated MANY times by Nintendo/Kimishima) all point to multiple devices having a shared architecture/Operating System, NOT to a single device, so until the official word is out that Nintendo actually IS stupid enough to lay all their last eggs in one basket, I'll refuse to believe something so utterly stupid and un-Nintendo.

Mind you, if it actually is true, I'm not sure I will ever buy one, since I want/demand my robust home console experience, not some watered down "connect to TV" thing, so I'll be needing a LOT of convincing to become enthusiastic for that...
(that and I'd just hate for those doofuses at EG to be right instead of someone like me, since I'm older, wiser and smarter)

Oh, and it having no HDD or optical drive is never a reason to not call it a game console: these types of devices have been around longer than the ones with these additional features.

And like I said earlier on in this comment: there's literally millions of Nintendo console gamers that will NEVER buy a handheld, so they will definitely not buy the away instead if there's no other option.

They might wanna buy a companion console though, just like with the Xbox 360/PS3 generation, where a lot of people also had a Wii to go along with either one (or both) of these consoles...

Phew... and yet another wall of text... and managed to surpass my self-applied curfew again... Oh, well. Week has started off kinda slow anyways. Hope it really picks up next week, since we needs the moneys...

@Captain_Gonru "Man, I really hope that 13 September is true. This is exhausting"

Newsflash - Sept 13th wasn't true. Nor was pretty much any other rumour leading up to today. Someday somebody is going to guess and it will be right, and people will say "Woo" and be all impressed that somebody actually got it right.

In case you skipped the "newish" "rumours" Big gathering of retailers in Germany for a Ntineod meeting. Could be for NX, or Pokemon S&M, or NES Mini, but the info on the meeting seems legit. So maybe an announcement on Wed for an ND on Friday? Has anybody called "announce on 21 reveal on 23"? I want that in the pool.

https://mynintendonews.com/2016/09/20/retailers-are-heading-to-nintendo-europe-in-germany-for-an-announcement/

@rjejr "I want that in the pool"

Well, here ya go. Dive right in...

@Captain_Gonru talking about responding to old articles....
That's what you get for reading backwards. And weird sayings to boot. "Wheat side and frosted side"? What are you, pastry?

As far as this European-only meeting is concerned, I'm not following that on purpose. No liver problems (yet) but I'm focusing on tomorrow or Friday, which are the current rumored reveal dates, so let's see if we can end this week with FINALLY knowing what the hell NX is and if it's worth setting aside some cash for or if it's only for hybrid-huggers with a distinct fetish for a last gen home console experience...

But if this week comes and goes with nothing yet again, then we can move on to the next rumored date, or weeks to be more precise, because the first half of October has also already been named as reveal period.

And then there are some rumblings concerning November...

@ThanosReXXX That frosted - wheat comment by Gonru is from old TV commercials for breakfast cereal he figured I'd get. People were doing a lot of drugs in the 70's.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CloiJQW_JLk

I honestly don't think I can survive until November. Well I could, if they just said - we'll tell you in November. At times I want to kick Reggie in the nuts for his "we'll tell you about NX next year" NDE comment, but he's just the ventriloquist dummy, and that ventriloquist may have passed on. Though maybe it was Reggies idea, he's such a jerk, he may have liked sticking the knife in and twisting it a little. The sadist.

@Captain_Gonru Well most people hate me all the time, just ask damo, so I'll take sometimes as a win.

Go do other things, I'll vet all the retail rumours and see if any of the probably hundred leaks to come turns out credible. Why they would have that meeting before telling the world though, ugh, I'm sure the retailers could get the gist by watching an ND. Unless it's just to tell them it's delayed, but that's anot email. They must be explaining kiisks for the hybrid. How do you display it to show what it does without having it look EXACTLY like the Wii U kiosks. This thing better be Nintendo red. Plus detachable controllers that could get stolen. Sounds like a nightmare to properly display. How do you dock it and play? Kiosks alone seem like enough of a reason not to have a dock.

@rjejr You only want to kick him at times? Currently, I want to kick him several times a day, or fire him. They REALLY need to stop this situation. Your hashtag is definitely valid, now more than ever.

Meanwhile, even The Know is on board with the whole hybrid idea, thanks to this idiot Pokémon/Game Freak guy/CEO:

But of course PlayerEssence comes up with his own unique twist on the story:

@ThanosReXXX I only want to kick him in the nuts sometimes. Have you ever been kicked in the nuts? It hurts, a lot. Like I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy a lot. So when I say I want to kick Reggie in the nuts sometimes, well that's saying a lot. Most of the time I just want to punch him in his smug face.

Confirmed? Facts? Well, I can tell by looking at them that they are pretty stoned, but they have certainly drifted into "opinion = fact" territory in the worst way. Though at the end they use phrases like "seems like" which I'm ok w/, b/c it does "seem like" he meant a hybrid. But "seems like" isn't the same as "fact". So stoned. They are entertaining, but Youtube does seem to demand picking a side. No ifs, ands or buts, only decisiveness.

PE still too strongly on 1 side of the fence, but he always does say it's just his opinion, it's not about rumours and leaks, so I'll give him that. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, just as long as they don't confuse it w/ fact, which he doesn't.

He's wrong though about PSP. PSP had TV out I guess (I don't know, only owned 1 for a day and returned it) but this isn't that.

It's funny, b/c if you listen to what he says, he says the hyrbid isn't a big deal, nothing special, PSP already did that. Which may be true, but he NEVER says what is special about a home and away playing the same games. You used to tell me home and away playing the same carts, which was your idea, wasn't special enough. You were always looking for something more special, saying playing the same carts wasn't enough. But here he is saying - "oh a hybrid is no big deal, been there done that, so that can't be it". But he never says why a home and handheld playing the same carts is so much more special than a hybrid. To me, my opinion, a hybrid is more special than 2 same old same old home and handheld consoles playing the same cart.

And here's why the hybrid isn't the PSP. PSP was a handheld w/ TV out. I think they are trying to to make the hybrid actually be both a handheld and home, NX Core, tablet, tesseract, whatever. That's what the dock is for. If it's just a handheld w/ TV out, you hold the handheld in your hand and play that device on the TV screen. W/ a hybrid you put it the device in the dock, which hopefully does upres and other stuff, and play w/ a different controller. By docking the tablet you turn it into a more powerful home console that plays w/ a better controller than you get on any handheld. All handheld controls suck, they just do. That is what blurring the lines means - a portable low res handheld or a home w/ a good controller. That's why it isn't just a 4DS w/ TV out, a more powerful dock, better controller turns the handheld into a home. PSP never did that.

PS4 and Vita can download and play a long list of the same indie games from PSN, not the same cart, but download the same games from the same store. How would a NX Home and Away download be any different than that? PE mocks the hybrid as PSP, but he offers us a PS4-Vita combo instead as something new w/o ever explaining what is new about it. That doesn't make any sense. PS4 and Vita are a home and handheld that play 118 of the same games. In a digital age does it matter if it's the same cart or a download? I don't see anything more special about Home and Away from PS4-Vita, but a hybrid could be very different from PSP - if the dock does something. It's all about the dock, which I've been saying for months. I just havent have a youtube video about it yet.

The dock makes the hybrid - the tablet Core - into a powerful home console. The detachable garbage controllers make the Core into portable. And the Core by itself is a touch screen tablet for Miiverse, eShop and web browsing. Maybe even SMR.

How can that not be special, but a home and handheld playing the same games is special?

If you want to argue price makes the dock not feasible, thats fine, but it doens't make it not special, just not practical. I'll argue detachable controllers are both a horrible idea and not practical. And my kids spend way too much time on their smartphones, a tablet won't help that. But if they somehow could pull off the trifecta w/ 1 device, that is way more special than 1 home console, 1 handheld console. Playing the same carts isn't special enough. I'm sure if I looked I could find you said that somewhere.

I'm still on the fence though, b/c a hybrid makes sense to me, but Ntineod always likes to do the opposite of what I think makes sense, so a home and handheld playing the same carts could very well be. But that's not what makes them special, playing together, becoming Wii U 2, does. That's Fusion, that's what Iwata wanted. Just not sure he's going to get it.

@Captain_Gonru Nintendo branding

I've been pushing the tabalet idea to Thanos for awhile now, it just makes sense. Even before the August rumor it made sense. Kids like tablets, they like touching screens and doing things. Old foggies like us like buttons and sticks. Nintendo has to replace the aging 2DS at some point, why not just replace it w/ a kids tablet?

My only problem is, would it be powerful enough to play the NX games? I dont think so, I think it's a kids toy, like how 2DS can't play games in 3D or the NEW 3DS XC game and some VC stuff. But this would be worse, b/c almost no NX game would play on it, just mobile junk. So it would have the Nitneod brand, ut not NX brand, whatever that turns out to be. So it woudl't really be part of NX, just a kids toy. But I think they have enough mobile stuff for that.

If NX is a Core tablet, Voltron's head (if you read the gif) w/ body parts that transform it into home and away, well it could be a tablet for kids, but a way too expensive and important tablet for kids. So that doesn't work either, not for kids anyway.

So I haven't really pushed the idea b/c nitty gritty details keep getting in the way. But there will be a Ntineod tablet, it's the future, so are bluetooth controllers, so real games are ok, but I'm not sure how yet.

http://infinigeek.com/bluetooth-controller/

@rjejr Well, that's gonna take some scrolling to answer that one...

"Confirmed? Facts? Well, I can tell by looking at them that they are pretty stoned"

I'm assuming you're talking about the video from The Know. I've done my share of hallucinogenics, but I can't tell if they're under the influence of something or not, unless you were joking...

And I don't think that YouTube demands picking a side any more than the average gaming website does...

"PE still too strongly on 1 side of the fence, but he always does say it's just his opinion, it's not about rumours and leaks, so I'll give him that. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, just as long as they don't confuse it w/ fact, which he doesn't.

He's wrong though about PSP. PSP had TV out I guess (I don't know, only owned 1 for a day and returned it) but this isn't that."

Of course he's on one side: the side of his own opinion. And he indeed has a right to and should be credited for that.

But he's not wrong about PSP, although obviously, he was only using that as an example. What my interpretation of his point was, is that connecting a handheld to TV, in whatever way, is indeed nothing new. And even smart devices and other, more obscure devices already offer that functionality, so he certainly does have a point there. It's back to the whole what's so special topic again, and he is completely right in saying that almost everything suggested/rumored so far offers NOTHING that hasn't already been done before.

Oh, and he is 200% SPOT ON concerning the it being a variation on the whole "like brothers" statement. It fits like a glove. A Power Glove...

"You used to tell me home and away playing the same carts, which was your idea, wasn't special enough."

That wasn't really my point when I was saying that. Once I had made up my mind that it was indeed going to be cartridges, it just didn't make sense for an ecosystem with at least two devices to not to be able to share these games, but that was not the thing I was looking for. To me that was more or less a given.

"To me, my opinion, a hybrid is more special than 2 same old same old home and handheld consoles playing the same cart."

I don't think that this is what PE is saying, and it's not really about what is special about NX, but about what the secret, new experience is. Like me, he probably thinks cartridges for both are a standard, but other than that, he is also looking for that thing that no other company has ever done before. No Nintendo version of PS TV, Nvidia Shield or a Razer tablet would qualify as a reason for all this secrecy. All these have been done already. And most of them dusted as well...

"I think they are trying to to make the hybrid actually be both a handheld and home"

Well of course, two devices in one is indeed what would make a hybrid, but I'm still not on board with that. It just doesn't excite me. No Nintendo Difference, no pre-release jitters (save for decidedly negative ones) and no intention of buying so far. Unless they manage to completely blow me away with it, which I fear they will not be able to do with a home console part that will only achieve something between last gen and this gen in graphics and experienced.

I'm not really graphics-fixated by any means, but releasing a device that has only moderately improved graphics compared to the Wii U 5 years after the fact would be scandalous. Even with the handheld and a DMP SoC, they should already be able to get close to the Xbox One, and a home console should indeed be between PS4 and PS4 Pro, and not only marginally better than a Wii U, which was already 5 times weaker than the competition.

And even if they don't want to directly compete in the power department, it would still be more of an achievement to come up with such weak hardware so many years later instead of fitting it with your average modern hardware setup that even a smart device can have nowadays...

"The dock makes the hybrid - the tablet Core - into a powerful home console. The detachable garbage controllers make the Core into portable. And the Core by itself is a touch screen tablet for Miiverse, eShop and web browsing."

No dock no dock no dock no dock no dock no dock no dock... Huh, what? Oh sorry, guess I got a bit lost in my own daytime nightmare there...

But seriously, a hybrid handheld with a dock will NEVER make for a powerful home console. A bit of extra computing power will indeed make it more powerful than the handheld alone, for sure.

But it would be more along the lines of the difference between the original 3DS and the New 3DS, which is laughably underwhelming for a home console experience...

But we've already been over it many times what kind of hardware the dock would need to be able to cater to demanding home console gamers as well as to developers, and that kind of power is unrealistic both in terms of cost and in having to cram all that into a dock, so a dedicated console is WAY more likely.

And developers REALLY aren't going to be excited about a slightly above Wii U powered console, since that was already sorely lacking in that department years ago.

"How can that not be special, but a home and handheld playing the same games is special?"

Never said it was. I refer thee back to the top of this comment mentioning how my whole opinion on cartridge is supposed to be interpreted.

"That's Fusion, that's what Iwata wanted."

If Fusion is like Apple, then yes. Otherwise it is definitely NOT what Iwata would have wanted.

@ThanosReXXX If you're going to trip the profanity filter, could you try and do it in a shorter post in future?

@Captain_Gonru Yay! A Fisher Price dock! In a nice, bright red color with "There's No Play Like It" stamped across it in white.
Or maybe just the controller buttons logo...

And then, to top it off, some extra glossy coating to make it look nice and kiddie...

Maybe we should bring back these kinds of decorations to emphasize that even more:

By the way, we don't disagree on the whole announcement/reveal date thing. As it stands now, they're already royally late, so give or take a few weeks more wouldn't really make all that much of a difference for the impact that it is hoping to make.

@gcunit Profanity? You mean me talking about myself as not being a graphics *****? That's the only bit I could find...

@ThanosReXXX @gcunit I've never seen any profanity. No way "graphics *****" would trip anything, not even the NSA, that's a standard gaming term. I read it in my email and didn't see anything. Not ever, and I'm a father of 2, I notice these things. Maybe the vid w/ mister F-bomb? THAT I noticed.

@rjejr Forgot to mention: yes, I have unfortunately experienced being hit in the tender parts a few too many times in the past, so I know it hurts. I used to play soccer in high school and for some years after that, and I have had the "pleasure" of getting that spot assaulted with soccer balls a number of times...

Oh, and PSP with a separate controller has DEFINITELY already been done before:
http://bfy.tw/7oTK

@ThanosReXXX "But it would be more along the lines of the difference between the original 3DS and the New 3DS, which is laughably underwhelming for a home console experience..."

But I thought NX handheld could get X1 power w/ DMP or AMD, so wouldn't slightly more than that be enough?

Have you ever read the list of all the cool things the N64 RAM pack could do? And that cost $50.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2008/10/29/n64-expansion-pak

Maybe add in a chip that does upres over HDM like those $35 DVD players do (I believe X360 and PS3 had those chips as well). I don't think that's the same as PSP, even w/ a controller, I think that's a home console. Or a "blurry" home console anyway.

#justtellus

@ThanosReXXX Yep, that's the one. That's Strike 2 now

@rjejr ... and Strike 1 for you

@gcunit Well, with all due respect but like @rjejr said, it's not profanity, only if you see the two words separately. It is a well known label in the games industry and amongst its fans, and I'm pretty sure the entire NLife crew is also familiar with it.

It is not to be interpreted as me mentioning a woman that gives certain paid services to men. And it is also a uniform label, applying to both women AND men, so therein too it is very clear that it is not meant as the profanity that you seem to think it is.

But having said that, if you would know of another way to describe these kind of people, without replacing two words with an entire sentence, then I honestly would be more than happy to use that word from now on, whenever it comes up in a discussion.

I'm all for rules and no swearing on a website that caters to a wide range of ages, but too much of a good thing and taking things out of context can only be harmful.

@gcunit You can't be serious. I know that star next to your name means something, but you can't run a gaming website and ban that phrase, it's somewhat integral to almost all discussions about game graphics. You might as well ban "cell shading" while you're at it. Or "8-bit". Or "retro".

I'm willing to take "Strike 2" to continue this discussion w/ the higher ups. And no one has even been in this thread for 21 days, so we're probably past the statute of limitations anyway.

Hey guys - @antdickens @Dazza @damo @ThomasBW84

Can I really not say this on NL? - "I'm usually not interested in games like Shovel Knight or NES Remix b/c I'm a self confessed graphics ***** and anything thats pixelated gives me a headache."

If I can't I can't, but I'm pretty sure I use that phrase every time people start talking about how great some indie game is and I should just buy it and get over myself. Then I tell them I can't and that's why, graphics matter to me, a lot, and that's what I am. I'll play my old Atari 7800, b/c that's what graphics looked like back then, but anything made recently should look like Yooka-Laylee or Guacamelle, not 8-bit.

Sorry to trouble you all, but I don't see how you can ban a common every day gaming expression from a gaming website. If you guys want to ban something in it's place may I suggest SJW? I really hate that term, it's extremely insulting, both to the person being accused of being one, and the intelligence of the person using it, b/c I'm pretty sure 90% of them have no idea what it means.

Strike 2.

@ThanosReXXX @rjejr
All I can say is, I was specifically asked recently to act on all instances that the filter goes off, which I'm trying to do.

The strike stuff is just for banter, which I hope you've already recognised.

But please stop using the word now that you've been informed it's on the list. Otherwise you put me in a lose:lose position.

@gcunit Of course I understood, I might be old, but I am quite aware of smileys and the like, so no worries.
I wasn't even offended, I was only kind of amazed at the notice, because of the reasons I gave.

Luckily, it's not a label I use often in discussions, so leaving it behind won't be too much of a chore.

@gcunit OK, I'm good. Still doesn't make any sense to me to ban that phrase on a gaming website, and I will probably use it again b/c I'm old and senile w/ zero short term memory and I use it all the time w/ all of those retro Nindie games, but I'll make an effort not to use it for your sake. For the record, I don't think I've ever called anyway else that, hard to when I am one myself, but I can see why they might want to ban people for calling other people names, even that one.

@Thanos_ReXXX So I guess we'll just have to keep talking about kicking Reggie in the nuts, that seems to be ok. #justtellus

@ThanosReXXX @rjejr

@rjejr Probably 'cause by now, everybody wants to do that to him...
#justtellus

@gcunit I'll call 'em "graphics-fixated" from now on, bunch of w...

@Sir_JBizzle Are you on NeoGaf? I saw a guy named Sizzel post this and thought of you. Though I do think your command of the english language is a lot better, this sounds more like a kid.

"Things is Nintendo admits the screwed up on the messaging for WiiU...so in Nintendo logic...the answer is ..an announce and then zero messaging?

Sometimes when you don't get advance review copies you get Doom..and often No Mans.

To the folks saying Nintendo knows what they are doing..history has proven that wrong..see treatment of 3rd parties, federation force, WiiU ,N3ds. I say this loving Nintendo. They are like my out of touch video game grandpa. I love em,but I don't trust them to drive"

http://neogaf.site/forum/showthread.php?t=1281161&page=19

@Captain_Gonru "lady-of-the-evening"?
Heck no, that wasn't what I said, but I haven't scrolled up anymore ever since we all came to a gentleman's agreement.

In general, I don't like to see my posts being tampered with, even if only mildly so. I still have nightmares from all the donkeys and poopsiedoodoo's I've seen pasted into people's comments by moderators over the years...

And better not make jokes about that preorder card, or else it might end up being a memorandum of that game that in the end never came to Wii U at all...

@Captain_Gonru Well, fixed that "lady-of-the-evening" thing, because that sounded just as lame as the donkeys and poopsiedoodoo's that I mentioned earlier...

Instead I used the new phrasing that I came up with in comment #265. At least now it feels like it's my own comment again, and the offensive part was modified, so we all win.

@Captain_Gonru I miss the turtle already. (Really I do, turtles are my thing, don't know why, they just are.)

"Nintendo putting out more mobile games than Wii U games over the same period. Think about THAT"

I'm pretty sure thinking about that will get me banned for real.

And NX is already giving me an ulcer. It's reached the point of horrible crack addiction. I feel like a kid, and my parents told me that we will be celebrating Christmas in 2017 on some random day, but they wont tell me what day, I'll just have to wake up every single morning for 365 days to see if there is an NX under the tree. And of course we'll keep the tree up to remind me every single day to look under it. But I'll never know when I'm getting it, or even what it is, just that I'll be getting an NX present on some day in 2017. I'm too old to be patient.

Well on the bright side I can still kick Reggie in the nuts and not get in any trouble.

@rjejr "I'll just have to wake up every single morning for 365 days to see if there is an NX under the tree"

And don't forget to check the Xmas stockings hanging from the fireplace. If it's a handheld/hybrid, it should easily fit in there, provided it's the version without the dock...

Nice picture, I used to frequent that site a lot and spam everybody I knew with their e-cards.

Oh, and while you're take your running start, I'll send Reggie a message that your foot is ready...

@rjejr And you know what that turtle avatar from @Captain_Gonru always made me think of?

@Captain_Gonru What game is that from? REALLY??? My retro gamer heart is crying right now...

It's from the original Golden Axe game:

@Captain_Gonru And I wish that I had mentioned in the analogy (remind me to never play Scrabble with you) that my parents told me about random Christmas 2017 in 2015. #justtelluswhenyoulltellus

@ThanosReXXX Can you throw a glass of water on the Regginator, that will keep him from moving. Do you think we could get Alexsora to do a Supercalifragiliciousexpealidosious Edit: song lyrics for #justtelluswhenyoulltellusreggieallabouttheNX

@rjejr Although I don't really want to add to your obvious irritation concerning the rather unclear terminology of the words "platform", "architecture" and such, I do have to inform you that there has been added yet another smoke screen to the list in the form of the word "machine", courtesy of monsieur Yves Guillemot from Ubisoft:
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ubisoft-ceo-talks-nintendo-nx-and-advantages-of-ne/1100-6443802/

And the context he uses it in, also mentioning other "machines", seems to once again place the ball firmly back into the hands of the home console camp...
Certainly gives me faith again that my own talk with that U... developer was genuine...

"Can you throw a glass of water on the Regginator"

I think your foot will more than suffice, he doesn't seem all that quick...

"Rjejr kicks The Regginator in the nuts! It's SUPER EFFECTIVE!!!"

#justtellus #HNFforlive

"Do you think we could get Alexsora to do a Supercalifragiliciousexpealidosious"

I guess he'd be more than happy to do so, just send him a heads up.

@AlexSora89 @ThanosReXXX @Captain_Gonru @aaronsullivan

#JusttellusReggiewhenyoulltellusallabouttheNX

Um-dilittle--um-dittil-I
Um-dilittle-um-dittli-I

@rjejr Oh, and ehm...
"I've been pushing the tabalet idea to Thanos for awhile now, it just makes sense"

You can't sell to the salesman, I'll NEVER buy it...

@ThanosReXXX The tablet is not for you, it's for kids.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ipad-tablets-ereaders/kids-tablets/pcmcat313100050038.c?id=pcmcat313100050038

http://www.toysrus.com/products/kids-tablets.jsp

@Captain_Gonru Sounds like your wife and @rjejr's would get along just fine, then...

Does kinda make me wonder if your wife would last longer in this comments section than his. According to him, she'd be out of here in no time because she'd be banned for calling out the majority of the people on here on their intelligence, or lack thereof...

So, @rjejr, have you already wrapped your head around the significance of that latest Ubisoft interview, then?

@rjejr @Captain_Gonru Latest news from HappyNintendoFan Land:
http://happynintendofan.blogspot.nl/2016/09/nx-multi-platform-project-home-console.html

#kickinghybridrumorinthenuts

@AlexSora89 @ThanosReXXX @Captain_Gonru @aaronsullivan
@ThomasBW84 @Grumblevolcano @Spoony_Tech @JaxonH @sinalefa @BLPs @Sakura @Sir_JBizzle @Ryu_Niiyama @MJKOP @kirk @k8sMum @ryno

Apologies in advance to anyone who doesn't know the song, b/c then it will really hurt your brain. I think if we spread this around the world we can get a reveal, like Dr Who, Martha Jones and The Master.

#JusttellusReggiewhenyoulltellusallabouttheNX

So, JusttellusReggiewhenyoulltellusallabouttheNX!
September has nearly went
October fast approaching
If you say it loud enough
You'll drown out Pro n Scorpio
JusttellusReggiewhenyoulltellusallabouttheNX!

Um-dittle-ittl-um-dittle-I
Um-dittle-ittl-um-dittle-I
Um-dittle-ittl-um-dittle-I
Um-dittle-ittl-um-dittle-I

Are all the hybrid rumours true
Is this a 4 D S
Will we get 1 console or 2
You're causing much distress
Eurogamer told us 1 thing
HNF another
Nintendo Direct let it sing
You damn dirty mother

So, JusttellusReggiewhenyoulltellusallabouttheNX!
September has nearly went
October fast approaching
If you say it loud enough
You'll drown out Pro n Scorpio
JusttellusReggiewhenyoulltellusallabouttheNX!

Um-dittle-ittl-um-dittle-I
Um-dittle-ittl-um-dittle-I
Um-dittle-ittl-um-dittle-I
Um-dittle-ittl-um-dittle-I

Iwata told us brothers is were the future takes us
iOS and Android are just like a run-a-way bus
Software departments were combined so games can keep comin'
It's time for a hardware reveal so we can get to gamin'

JusttellusReggiewhenyoulltellusallabouttheNX!
September has nearly went
October fast approaching
If you say it loud enough
You'll drown out Pro n Scorpio
JusttellusReggiewhenyoulltellusallabouttheNX!

Um-dittle-ittl-um-dittle-I
Um-dittle-ittl-um-dittle-I

So get in gear oh can't you see
We've waited long enough
Now's the time, time is now
This waiting has just got too rough
I'm going bald and I can't sleep
Your ruining my life

For example
Yes?
I spend more time on Nintendo Life than I'm with my wife
Oh! And a lovely thing she is too. he he he

So #JusttellusReggiewhenyoulltellusallabouttheNX!
JusttellusReggiewhenyoulltellusallabouttheNX!
JusttellusReggiewhenyoulltellusallabouttheNX!
JusttellusReggiewhenyoulltellusallabouttheNX!

@Captain_Gonru
Lol and the psychosis begins.

@rjejr You alright buddy? Seem to be a little off-kilter tonight.

@JaxonH Never better. And I'm still not banned yet. (See the pic of that old lady up there, that's Thanos and I almost getting banned, but not quite. Don't bother, not important.)

Don't worry, if I ever am really off kilter you'll be the first, and only 1, who knows, b/c you're the only person whose email I have.

'night Jax, it's late, get some sleep. Me too zzzzzzz

@rjejr
A brilliant, well thought-out joke I'm missing out on... sorry man.

@rjejr That was some effort! I'm not sure "you're ruining my life" fits for me, but otherwise I understand the spirit of the piece. When it is finally revealed I think I'll be looking at some of the other decisions that have been made and trying to work out if they make sense. At the moment I'm sticking with a Marge Simpson style grunt of confusion over most things. I'm open to whatever it turns out to be really, but I do like to understand things.

@Captain_Gonru No, the interview wasn't translated. It didn't need to be because Yves Guillemot speaks English quite well (albeit with a French accent). But the word "machine" that he used just doesn't match with a handheld to me.

As far as I know the French, from my own dealings with them in the IT business, they would sooner use the word "device" for smaller systems, such as smart phones and indeed handhelds, so that's my personal reasoning for thinking he is talking about a console.

As for the HNF post, I think he means an "On the Go" controller, because that is also what it says next to the 7th source (or maybe "Go Controller" is the name they gave it?), and to me the difference between that and a dedicated handheld is that the "On the Go" controller can only stream games, or play them via WiFi (in both cases, the XilinX tech comes to the fore again), so it won't have dedicated games or a cartridge slot.

At least, that second part is my idea about that, but the streaming part is HNF's and his 7 (7!!!) sources, and the ones who mention the console are all more or less saying the same thing.

How you described your wife is exactly why I guesstimated that she would get along just fine with @rjejr's and I guess I was right, because both are seemingly quite outspoken and I think they would be out of here in no time for "burning" people.

To the ground, probably...

@rjejr "the pic of that old lady up there"

That's Angela Lansbury from the detective series "Murder She Wrote". And here I was thinking you knew your classics...

I see you couldn't wait for @AlexSora89 to make a text for you, but well done. I assume that's to the tune of supercallifragellisticexpialidocious?

P.S.

You don't just have Jax's email, unless you've thrown mine in the bin...

@Captain_Gonru "to couch this in parlance that parallels current hardware"

Nice sentence, by the way. Very posh/eloquent...

@Captain_Gonru @ThanosReXXX

My main problem w/ the Go controller is that makes it a Wii U 2 by default, except it isn't actually tethered 8' to the console and will presumably do remote play over WiFi like PS4 and Vita. Which is my 2nd problem as they are just copying them, not making anything new.

Had the original Wii U done that 4 years ago, fine, that's how it should have been anyway. But in 2017, after the Wii Us failure, to come out with Wii U 2 w/ "remote play". How does that sell? If it's just "new and improved" Wii U they could have told us that months ago.

Guillimont certainly sounds like he is talking about a Home though. Has Ubisoft ever supported handhelds, any of them? Why start now, and why would he be at all impressed by a handheld w/ TV out, nothing impressive about that.

Oh, and the Go is probably a tablet, b/c if they are going to promote remote play, might as well promote smart glass as well. jk

Soooooooooo, the hybrid exists, except it doesn't, b/c it isn't a hybrid, it's a remote player, but maybe it's still a tablet w/ detachable controllers. Or maybe it is a hybrid, and home is a dock for the Pro. 50-50

I'd buy a book about the developmental journey of NX before I'd buy an NX, would be a fascinating read I'm sure. Not only the process of where the idea started and where it wound up - I'm guessing more powerful chips broadened their vision along the way - but their reactions to all the rumours. Not that they would read every rumour, but surely they would know about the Fusion leak/rumour years ago and the Eurogamer stuff this August. Maybe SMD64 but maybe not HNF. I doubt they would ever tell us why they waited so long to #justtellus but the manufacturing stuff could get out there, design choices and decisions. "How it's Made" type TV stuff.

@AlexSora89 Do you not know the greatest 2 minutes in movie film making history, or do you not know I'm getting impatient for NX news?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tRFHXMQP-QU

@ThanosReXXX I think your email may be in the last 48 I haven't gotten to yet. Maybe today. I always read them all, even if it takes awhile, but I would save an email address. I do actually have another email address of so ehow, but he hasn't been part of this madness.

@Captain_Gonru You better go to work before your wife finds out your on here again and bans you. My wife got home last night from a work trip and read all of this, she's pretty sure she'd get along with your wife, but the rest of us have to go.

The difference between Xboxen and PSs, and Wii U, is that everybody has already known what they were, they don't really change, which is why Xbox never sell in Japan. I'd be afraid a Wii U 2 by any name would cause people to look at it the same way, that it was tethered, and they wouldn't even ask about it, just walk on by.

Thanks for the Ubi on handheld info, I had no idea. I still don't think that guy would ever be impressed by a handheld though, there focus is still home consoles.

#justtellus My avatar is ready, whatever day it is, I'm ready.

@Captain_Gonru Well, at this point, your guess is as good as mine, so it could indeed be that he talked to different developers, as in people that only develop for handheld and console developers, but the important takeaway from all of that for me is that all these developers support the same general idea.

And that is where even @rjejr's idea of a cough >tablet< cough.. (God, that REALLY got stuck in my throat, yègh!) comes in, or better yet: his 3 SKU's.

And syncing was also my idea, back when I was talking about my own NX concept for the first time, when I had fleshed it out.

I had indeed come up with screened controllers that also incorporated the Wii U and/or GamePad to some extent (something that Iwata had also mentioned wanting to do with NX - source here, answer number 5 on that page, halfway down the paragraph) probably to give backward compatibility with all the Wii U re-releases they have planned, otherwise you would have to play these with a tablet instead of a controller/GamePad 2.0...

But it is indeed like you say: this is not Wii U 2, it is so much more and spreads all the possibilities across three devices: a dedicated home console, a dedicated handheld and a controller with untethered streaming capabilities.

It's an interesting concept, though, so I'm still as curious as ever for the reveal, now that I've recovered from the whole "Pokémon CEO confirms hybrid" thing...

@rjejr "and home is a dock for the Pro"

A Nintendo device is going to work with the PS4 Pro? That'll be the day...

@ThanosReXXX
Because I didn't want to do that, at times writing lyrics feels like a chore!

@rjejr
Jeez man, don't startle me like that, new avatar and all that!
Of course I know about Mary Poppins, I mean, who doesn't?
In your defense, though, while ThanosReXXX was right in his playful banter about "knowing your classics", I was about to do the same but I remembered Murder She Wrote is more of a classics here in Italy, as "La Signora In Giallo" (The Lady In Yellow, titled after the murder mystery stories being classified as "giallo" here due to the cheap, yellow paper they're printed on, kind of like the term "pulp fiction" - now you know!), and Italy doesn't exactly import everything from North American programming (case in point, the entire [adult swim] lineup). So yeah, it's more known in a country that knows a lot of U.S. shows but not every one, so I assume it could be slightly more obscure elsewhere. That's why I stopped before going all "how can you possibly not know about Angela Lansbury?!".

@rjejr Nice apology at the end to your wife lol.

I also don't think Reggie (which I'll refer to as the puppet from now on) has anything to do with when it's announced. Sure he'll be there to announce it but the when belongs to NoJ. We singing to the wrong person/country.

@AlexSora89 Well I know who Angela Lansbury is, and of course I know Murder, She Wrote, that's right up there with Who shot JR and the Where's the beef lady, but I have no idea what we're talking about, I think I fried my brain on those song lryics.

My avatar was supposed to be "Find a happy place, find a happy place" to present my current state of mind w/ NX rumours tapping at the glass, but I figured this way I'd be 1 step ahead of the game for some actual real Nintendo news.

@Spoony_Tech The link in comment #297 has the actual song, I didn't add that part, it was already in there so I left it.

I know Reggie has just been a US mouthpiece for years. He's technically been demoted twice over the past few years and I'm a bit surprised he still has a job. But #justtellus has been a thing for awhile now, and then I stretched it to #justtelluswhenyoulltellus which I really like the look of and it gets my point across -:regardless of when the reveal actually will be, they can tell us that now, b/c they already told us there will be a Nintendo Direct November 2nd for the AC update, so they aren't opposed to dating things in advance. Surely the NX reveal will be before November 2nd. I hope.

So anyway, justtelluswhenyoulltellus made my brain start singing the Supercalifragilistic song. And singing the "cal-i" part made my brain think "Reg-gie" so I stuck him in there. Consider it poetic license.

Honestly, and I've posted this before, I think Reggie knows the US market, and I'm sure he knows they should have revealed it by now. And I'm sure he sick of friends, family and strangers in Target asking him about NX. And I'd bet you, if you asked him last year at E3, 2015, when he said in the NDE, "we'll tell you about NX next year", that he thought next year meant E3. Certainly not end of September or even later. Why mention it at E3 at all then last year, why not wait until E3 this year to say "we'll talk about NX later in the year". No reason to talk about it at E3 last year, certainly not put it in the NDE. None.

So, I still want to kick him in the nether region, but only symbolically, as he represents Nintendo to me. He's in the song more b/c he fits. I eat as in there too, Kimishima was never going to happen.

And there you go, anatomy of a nervous breakdown.

...Now I love Nintendo I do, but seriously this song and dance is getting old. They should have learned by now that they need to market and keep their audience informed from the wiiu. A wonderful system crippled by consumer confusion and poor marketing. At this point they should have done like sony did with the NX and been IN OUR FACES about this system. It doesn't matter if it doesn't live up to hype (the ps4 hasn't so far and Sony is laughing all the way to the bank) that is what marketing does: make you need something you may not even want. Seriously they need to send their marketing team to some workshops perhaps at Apple or something like that. This is getting silly now.

@rjejr LOLOLOL saw that first thing when I checked my email this morning. That was well worth the morning giggle, so thank you for that.

@rjejr I agree about what The Puppet knows and what he's allowed to do or say. However it seems that Europe has more freedom to do things then NA does and that still tells me that he's more The Puppet.

@ThanosReXXX Well its your guy HNF who posted in #1 Home + Pro, so I was just using that. And you know it too.

So speaking of HNF, it sounds to me like the hybrid could still be a thing, if the handheld has a dock w/ TV out those rumours could be 100% for what they saw, just not mentioning the AMD Home, which would be an act of omission, not technically lieing. You could say they were wrong if they claimed it was the only device, but I'm not comfortable calling them liars if what they saw is a real thing.

Not sure why they would need both a Home w/ a portable controller - Wii U done right - and a handheld with TV out - New 3DS done right - if they both played the same games, that's redundant, but I'm no good at Nintendo logic.

Home in March, handheld for the holidays sounds right, if backwards, but Wii U is dead so they have little choice. Don't go celebrating too much though at the Home reveal, that hybrid could still be coming. Just gloat about being correct about Home, not about them being wrong.

@rjejr
Man, Finding Dory is going to clean - box-office-wise - Sausage Party's filthy mouth with soap. Sentient soap, of course.

@rjejr "And you know it too."

Well, dòh. Hence the sarcastic smiley...

"Not sure why they would need both a Home w/ a portable controller - Wii U done right - and a handheld with TV out - New 3DS done right - if they both played the same games, that's redundant, but I'm no good at Nintendo logic."

No, you're seeing it slightly different from what I (and probably also @Captain_Gonru) make of it.

It's not the handheld that is the proverbial hybrid, it's the controller with streaming capabilities à la GamePad/Wii U done right. Or, as Mr. Iwata put it: "we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately", which is quite resolute, so this is what will have happened, and it fits nicely with what HNF has dug up.

Home console + streaming controller = where the hybrid concept/rumors come from, and then there is also a REAL, dedicated handheld to replace the 3DS later next year (Q3, Q4).

And that controller can only stream console games, so you'd still need that handheld to be able to play offline with cartridges and for the more than likely handheld specific games that will also be released.

@ThanosReXXX Sounds like a convoluted mess to explain, good thing they are giving themselves plenty of time to get it out there. lease

A PS4 type Home w/ a controller like a Wii U Gamepad, maybe a tablet w/ removable controllers
A handheld that plays it's own games, no TV out? Maybe? The same carts as Home, but some don't work, like New 3rd

I understand it, but how do you explain it all clearly and properly to a world that has completely blown off Nintendo home consoles and are waiting with baited breath for Super Mario Run while they play Pokémon Go? Sounds like a recipe for disaster, and I want a functioning Wii U 2.

So, does HNF know why they haven't revealed it yet? Are they deciding to do home now, handheld at E3 (which makes sense based on the 3DS calendar) or both at once? Really, at this point, can't they give us a month?

@AlexSora89 Yeah, I can imagine you don't always feel like it and it has to be a spontaneous thing, but @rjejr brought it up in the first place, and because of you posting lyrics so often, you have kind of become NLife's very own in-house minstrel...

@ThanosReXXX Wouldn't the hybrid people have noticed no cart slot, if all it does is stream from Home? That would have been my first thought - Gamepad 2 - if it didn't have a game slot. Why wouldn't it be a remote streaming device, cloud is huge.

Going round in circles again - let's say this is Wii U 2 done right. Doesn't that mean the cart goes in the Gamepad 2 for mobile gaming. And so I can switch games w/o getting off the couch. (You know I hate the idea of carts in a home console) Doesn't that make Home just a dock if it needs the Gamepad 2 to play games, b/c the game is in the Gamepad. Even if AMD is in Home, but the cart is in the Gamepad for mobile play, like cloud play, isn't that still a dock? A very powerful dock, but if the cart is in the Gamepad 2, and Gamepad 2 plays on the road over WiFi or a cellphone line, it looks like a dock to most people. If the cart goes in the Gamepad, it's a hybrid. Sort of. At least that's what people will see.

I think that's where the blurry lines come in. It's a powerful Home AMD console with a Gamepad 2, but that's where the cart goes, not in Home, so it looks like a hybrid or handheld. And if you put the Gamepad 2 down on Home to play with a Pro type CONTROLLER (wiseguy) then Home looks like a dock.

Of course the big question is how to stream game 0s and 1s off off the cart, to Home to process it, then back to G2 to play it. That would be a lot of streaming both directions. Can your Xilinx chips handle that? AMD in Home, DMP M3000 in the G2? Maybe Pachter knows something, maybe this is a $399 unit? Would still need a $199 portable later if that's the case.

What do you think @Captain_Gonru will consumers see the cart in the controller as a hybrid handheld, even if everything is done in Home and streamed?

@arronsullivan You've been quiet, but you always liked to know how things would work out, think moving the cart to Gamepad 2 on Wii U 2 changes this up enough and ties both Fusion and hybrid camps together?

@aaronsullivan Argh I did it again, I keep putting 2 r, 1 a.

Anyway, post #315 if you get a chance por favor. If not, that's OK too, has to be soon now I think, I can feel it. And next week has looked good to me since August.

@ThanosReXXX
"Minstrel"? As in, "the Minstrel Show"? Which, for the record, is obscure in Italy (an Italian subtitled version of a Nostalgia Critic had a paragraph explaining why the titular character was stressfully trying not to crack a Minstrel Show joke), but I know enough about it to wonder whether it is a good thing or not.
But I, you and @rjejr can be the "Three Stooges" of NintendoLife if you're so inclined!

@AlexSora89 No, minstrel as in the medieval traveling singer, so it was meant as a compliment to your creativity and not an insult.

Maybe I should have said "bard"? Don't know if you know that one, though.

And thanks but no thanks on the three Stooges. I like humor, but theirs is way too cheesy and I'm "slightly" more intelligent than that.

@ThanosReXXX
Well, turns out there's something to learn about English language and culture every day! Yeah, I am familiar with "bard"--oh crud, I realized just now that the word minstrel is near-identical to its Italian counterpart, "menestrello". At times my ability to pick up on stuff fails me, sorry.
As for the Stooges, I would expect nothing less from the Mad Titan himself!

@rjejr "Sounds like a convoluted mess to explain"

No, not at all, at least not to me and not if they do it in the way that HNF has written it down, so just keep that handheld separate. And because that is my view, I'm also going to skip your dock part, which by now is more annoying to me than the tablet...

So, let's leave that dock behind for now, it annoys and it clouds the concept. And I still think of it as a charging kickstand for the controller, much like we have now on the Wii U, so it is also nothing special that you would actually WANT to have with your console.

And I know that you don't like to have a cartridge in a home console, but I don't understand why not, since the cartridge has always been in the home console since the beginning of the industry, so it's an industry standard that is now returning after having been replaced by disc-based media for a couple of generations.

So, forget about the controller having a cartridge slot, that's just not going to happen. A controller never had a cartridge slot and neither did the GamePad. At the most, I expect there to be an SD card slot, and having just looked at those patent drawings again I do think that this is something that they may have decided to incorporate into that.

Will certainly come in handy to save stuff like game progress and profiles while on the go...

As for HNF knowing about any reveal date, I don't know, but I do believe he has posted something on Twitter once, but that was the rumored 22nd or 23rd and we're already halfway through those.

Maybe send him a Tweet, or don't you have Twitter?
You could also make a comment on his blog, just use the latest article he posted to do that, see what comes out of that.

"That would be a lot of streaming both directions. Can your Xilinx chips handle that?"

Yes it can. And the reason that they make their own chipsets and FPGA's is to maximize the technology so they can get the most out of it. Slap a XilinX chip on both devices that you want to communicate and presto!

Here's the official press release:
"Xilinx is the world’s leading provider of All Programmable FPGAs, SoCs, MPSoCs and 3D ICs, enabling the next generation of smarter, connected, and differentiated systems and networks. Driven by the industry-wide shifts towards Cloud Computing, SDN/NFV, Video Everywhere, Embedded Vision, Industrial IoT, and 5G Wireless, Xilinx innovations enable these applications that are both, software defined, yet hardware optimized.

Xilinx’s portfolio of software defined and hardware optimized solutions include proven C and IP based design tools that support the development of ‘software defined hardware’, and a new family of software development environments that supports the development of ‘software defined systems’. With this unique combination, Xilinx is addressing the rapidly growing demands for programmability and intelligence with software, while enabling >10X the bandwidth, 1/10th the latency and power, and flexible any-to-any connectivity with optimized hardware."

And I would wish it was "my" XilinX. Their stock shares are doing quite good as well, and that combined with DMP and Vulkan Shares rising should also mean something...

By the way, if you need any explanation about FPGA's or anything, let me know, but I think you're smart enough to get the gist of that press release and the importance of it in relation to Nintendo and streaming game content and other data.

@ThanosReXXX mutha, lost my long post again, I hate doing this on my phone

Short version -3DS carts are too small for home console use, they'll get lost in the shag carpet or under the furnture.

N64 controller had a rumble pack slot, Dreamcast had VMU, so the idea has been there to stick stuff in the controller. Discs were too big, but a cart could work if the tech lets it. Streaming from a co troller to a co sole seems a lot to ask. But if it can be done, I think they'll do it.

@rjejr Trust in the XilinX, my friend...

I've been reading up on them a bit more and to name you but one example of what the tech can do: it can stream HD camera footage across the country in a matter of seconds, so streaming game data shouldn't be a problem. And of course it won't be XilinX alone. I'm betting that DeNA will also lend their expertise for part of the online tasks and services, so it can definitely be done.

And the greatest thing about XilinX tech is covered in the final sentence of that press release:
"flexible any-to-any connectivity with optimized hardware"

And that clearly addresses the potential problem of using different devices with different architectures. Or should we say "machines"... ?

As far as NX controller add-ons go, the rumble pack is a BAD example, since back then it was simply a case of not being able to make that small enough to incorporate that tech inside of the controller's shell. And that VMU/memory pack is exactly what I proposed with an SD card slot, so no argument there.

And why would you lose cartridges if you play on the home but not lose them when playing on the away? Same risk of letting them drop on the carpet or under the furniture, and I also use my 3DS at home, so I don't see the obstacle here.

@ThanosReXXX More chance to lose things in a Home b/c a lot of consoles are kept behind glass doors down low. You'd have 1 game in your hand, put it down to the open the door, get out the other game, look around to see where you put the first game, put the 2nd game down to pick up the first game, put that game in, close the door, look around to see where you put the second game down.

W/ a controller port. While sitting on the couch, pull out first game, put it down, pick up second game, put it in, done. No muss no fuss.

Not saying goes you would loose a cat ridge everyou time, and as adults we may need error losee a game, but I have 2 kids constantly changing game discs, and sometimes I don't even know where they are, under the tv, next to the tv, in the wrong box, I can only imagine what it would be like with tiny carts.

So now you tell me how having carts in the console is easier than having them in the controller.

Oh, and while I think Xilix can do HD video cross country, I think having 0 and 1 data streaming get off a cart in a Co troller, to the home console, which then has to process that I to a game and 5.1 surround sound, then said a pic to either the handheld, the tv, or both, meanwhile accepting button inputs, and controlling the game lag free, seems like a heckuva lot of work to do all wirelessly. Maybe on $10,000 worth of equipment, but on a $399 toy that would kind of blow my mind.

@ThanosReXXX Edit sorry for all the typos, I'dfix them, but you'll probably just read that miss in your inbox anyway. Plus I have to run get my kid st the bustop.

@rjejr "More chance to lose things in a Home"

Well, that's open for debate, or just a personal thing. I have almost never misplaced any item of any of my home consoles, and for each of my handhelds, going all the way back to Game Boy Color, I have lost more stuff than I care to remember, including game cartridges.

And the ability of the XilinX hardware is embedded in the chip itself, and although that chip does come in various iterations, even the base model (according to their own words) can do the cross country streaming of ANY kind of data across ANY kind of system or architecture combo, so as long as you have a decent WiFi connection, that is indeed what they claim it can do, and they have some BIG clients, so I'm going to take their word for it that the XilinX chip is up to the task.

And don't forget DeNA: I mentioned them for a reason. I can also see a situation where the game data is not streamed from your console but straight from the servers. For example when you are on vacation. You're not going to leave your console switched on for a couple of weeks, methinks, so streaming from the console to the controller/hybrid would mostly be for around the house/neighborhood or school/work on a daily basis.

For further away, you could switch to a server-based solution where game progress could be tied to your online account (because that would also have a list of the games you own and play) so they would be able to know where you are supposed to start in the game.

If DeNA helps Nintendo with improving that online part, and I'm assuming that they are, since online gaming is their expertise, then this will definitely be possible.

And no, I don't read those misses in my email inbox: I only read messages on the NLife site itself. I just check the top right corner of the screen for new messages. Works a whole lot better than constantly having to check an email account that I only use for gaming sites and forums...

But no worries, I'm long past being bothered about your typos, so I can read past them and still translate them to actual words...

@rjejr "but on a $399 toy that would kind of blow my mind"

And there you have it: the new and unique thing...

@rjejr And to add to your streaming comment: you are assuming that there will be a game cartridge in the controller, which I am not, and you are assuming that the controller will do the streaming, which I am DEAD certain it won't. The controller, like the Wii U GamePad is only a receiving device.

It's either the console that does the streaming, or as I theorized, DeNA's servers, so that takes one unnecessary step out of your "problem"...

And if you consider that the Wii U could already achieve almost perfect streaming with just a wireless transfer protocol WITHOUT something like a XilinX chip and then manage to only have a lag of 1 frame in every 60, then it is quite obvious how a dedicated chip in combination with server-based/cloud technology could improve upon that and also do something about the almost laughable distances that the Wii U could do this at.

But regardless, it was still quite an achievement of the Wii U on a technical level.

@rjejr And off does PlayerEssence go on the latest rumors and Ubisoft interview news...

@ThanosReXXX Did you make that PLAY pic, very nice. I couldn't get the font right on mine. I think I did a pretty good job on matching the coloring and centering it, but I couldn't match the font.

I know the Wii U could stream vid and audio to the Gamepad, I think a $25 dongle could do that from a cheap phone. What I was, poorly, trying to convey was a dumb controller that would have to stream unprocessed data - basically just zeroes and ones - straight off a cart, thru the air, to a processor in the home console, process it, then send the video and audio back to the handheld, all the time accepting button presses and running the game. I'm not talking about a controller that runs the game, just a dumb controller like the Gamepad, but w/ a cart slot in it. So that would be doing twice as much as Wii U and Gamepad is doing now.

After writing that post I've decided that was too much work, either the handheld does all the processing and streams the finished product out to the tv, which would probably cost too much, or the console does it. Which makes it a Wii U 2 w/ a longer leash, and I dont' like that either.

So whatever it is, they better show something at the reveal, b/c now I'm w/ you looking for the special thing, and I got nothing. PE is laughing at a handheld w/ TV out - even though I think he's 100% dead wrong about it but we each got opionons I just don't have my own youtube channel - and a Wii U 2 is a hard sell in my eyes. Any Nintendo home console is a hard sell in my eyes, nobody wants one or Wii U would have sold more than 13 mil for all the great games it had even though it missed most 3rd party stuff. So what will it be? How will they sell Wii U 2? I need to see it to believe in it b/c I'm not feeling it at the moment.

@ThanosReXXX Now that I know you're reading here I'll make the effort to correct the obvious errors. For some reason my phone always wants to change "going" to "Go I Ring" or something. Iwata is always, well I'm really not sure what my phone does w/ Iwata, but Iowa would be my first choice. You know Felly, I always thought she was singing "Iowa" though I never had any idea why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0ddIYY2rVw

OK, Felly's about as far as I can get off topic.

@rjejr Well, thank you "felly" much, a lot of youthful sentiment there, but I never knew her name, just the band. And it is indeed considerably off topic, so let's get back on...

I already understood you the first time with the whole cartridge in the controller thing, so you are either underestimating yourself in explaining things or you are underestimating me in being able to understand you.

I don't know if it's an age thing or not, but I have found out that I can often relate to you and like already mentioned, can even make sense of most of what you are saying even if we don't always agree.

And we certainly don't agree on the "where goes the cartridge an who's streaming what?" thing.

To make a GamePad-like controller or even a handheld stream to a console and back again would both make no sense and would also be nigh on impossible from a technical standpoint, so that entire idea has to be removed from your mind.

It will be the home console/base whatever, EXCLUSIVELY, that will do the streaming, if that is indeed what it is going to be capable of.

It is also a matter of energy capacity, and processing takes up a LOT of power, which is also why in the Wii U, the data was transformed by the console to a video stream and the GamePad only had a network adapter and a hardware video decoder to be able to process the stream and display it on the screen.

So you overcomplicated things in your idea by adding the cartridge slot, which added all kinds of other problems in turn.

And if the controller would have a cartridge slot, then it wouldn't have to stream anything at all, so that is probably what you where thinking of 20 comments or so ago, before I threw in my and HNF's idea, although I'm not entirely in agreement with him on the whole "can also stream to smart devices" thing, unless it's mini games or something, like Mario Run.

They could incorporate these into the larger games, as some kind of bonus DLC to download to your smart phone or something like that, maybe...

Anyways, long story short: only a console has enough power to stream data, so all other devices like handhelds and GamePads/controllers/hybrids/tablets (did I get them all?) will only be receiving data, and processing/decoding that into something that you can see and play. No cartridge needed, except for the one in the console.

And then my admittedly brilliant idea for streaming from the server/cloud...

So just repeating what I said earlier:

I can also see a situation where the game data is not streamed from your console but straight from the servers. For example when you are on vacation. You're not going to leave your console switched on for a couple of weeks, methinks, so streaming from the console to the controller/hybrid would mostly be for around the house/neighborhood or school/work on a daily basis.

"I need to see it to believe in it b/c I'm not feeling it at the moment."

Now you know how I felt when it was all "hybrid in a dock with a kid's tablet added for good measure"...

But I have to admit, I am adding and subtracting little bits and bobs here and there, sort of fine-tuning my idea and trying to get over my own aversions of certain components, because it's not about me but about what it could possibly be.

And previously, I forgot all about Iwata's statement on "going to absorb the Wii U's architecture into NX" and finding a good way to do that, and also with the re-releases of Wii U games in mind. So there has to be some kind of GamePad functionality in the NX.

But even taking that into account, there can be more than enough new functionalities in the whole ecosystem that will be NX to pique the interest of both newcomers and people that were disappointed about the Wii U (the ones that bought it as well as the ones that didn't).

It is in part indeed a Wii U done right, but with ample tech to provide for actually being able to stand outside your house and play the game or take it with you on your work or school commute, and a better architecture to both streamline development as well as draw some of the lost third parties back in.

Now combine that with the added features of the soon after to be released dedicated handheld that can exchange cartridges with the home console AND is backward compatible with 3DS games (because: DMP chip) and the SCD to future proof the console against future Xbox and Playstation iterations, and it seems like a really decent and solid proposition to me.

And for the sake of argument on finding something additionally new about it, just add that mix of interactive AR and VR that HNF mentioned to it, and were done.

Although according to your own words, the country-wide streaming would already blow you away, so what more would you want?

P.S.

I didn't make that picture. I just Googled "there's no play like it" images and that one came up as well. And I thought it was quite appropriate. So thanks for the credit, but I just copy/pasted it.

@ThanosReXXX Can your NX Home play 3DS carts, or just the Away, b/c that's really the only reason I have to buy Home for 2017. And if the Home is expensive, and Away is cheap, and they play the same games, I'm just buying a PS4 and my kids can get Away.

So yeah, I know exactly how you felt. I was excited for it before b/c I thought we could get a $199 Home or a $199 Away b/c they would be the same hardware, Home stronger b/c exchange touchscreen and battery costs for more power, M3000 Away, M3400 Home, just enough to get the res up, 720 Away, 1080p Home. But if we are talking a $399 Nintendo Home console w/ AMD and a Gamepad 2 that works w/ cloud processing, they might as well call it the Nintendo DOA b/c that's what it will be. Nintendo only sells as the cheap alternative, that's it's niche. Handheld can be expensive, no competition, but not Home, where it has to compete w/ PS4, even PS3 in Japan, X1S and even PC.

So how did my idea go from - no problem XiliX can do that - to - no way, no how - in a matter of paragraphs? Unless you didn't understand what I meant the first time?

So, what's our best hope reveal now, announce tomorrow reveal Tuesday?

#justtellus

@Captain_Gonru @rjejr I'll get back to you guys on all your questions, but it's 4am over here, so I'm off or else I'll be a zombie tomorrow...

@Captain_Gonru Nitty gritty details.

Even if I don't get one, now I'm just curious what they could unveil that I haven't already covered to death, and won't be bored to death by. Or shocked to death by the price.

I rescued the re-skinned boy inkling amiibo from Target today. He was surrounded by no less than 100 AC amiibo, I counted. And took pics. I also rescued Mikey Mouse from DI irrelevancy for $4. I'll give it to my niece for Christmas to stick it on a shelf w/ her other MM stuff. I tried to buy BA and his A Team van but of course they wouldn't sell it to me,releases next Tuesday, but it was all out on the hooks.

3 run walk off homer, time for bed LGM

@rjejr @Captain_Gonru Well, finally got a chance to get back to you guys on the comments above this one, and to me it is an immediate reminder of why the backwards email answering just isn't working for me: you're bound to run into things that you have already answered in another topic or that just aren't relevant anymore. But I'll give it a go nonetheless, since I promised I'd get back to you on the questions.

@rjejr "Can your NX Home play 3DS carts, or just the Away, b/c that's really the only reason I have to buy Home for 2017."

No, that was not the idea I had. I know that Wii U caters to DS Virtual Console games, but my idea was to let the NX handheld be compatible with 3DS cards. Would also make the most sense, since both are handhelds.

And the reason to buy home is not that, but to have the premium experience. Away will also play NX cards, but obviously at considerably lower settings, so to get the most out of a game like Breath of the Wild, you wouldn't want to play it on a handheld that is roughly equal to Wii U in power.

And the type of game also lends itself better to the big screen, what with all these wide vistas and so on. That needs to suck you in and immerse you into the adventure. That would be a lot harder to do on a handheld.

And no: AMD home console is not DOA. On the contrary. It opens up a WORLD of options. Easy cross development with the DMP handheld because of the Vulkan API, and a VERY inviting development ecosystem for first parties and third parties alike.

No porting or extra optimization needed, just making the assets on a workstation, transfer them to the dev kit, paste them together, iron out a few kinks and you're done. No more going from x86 to PowerPC architecture and having to put in an extra 5 to 6 months for tweaking and optimizing to make it work.

So, on a tech/development level, it is actually the most logical choice that Nintendo could make. Not saying that they are logical, but at some point, they will HAVE to do something that will help them in getting what they need.

"So how did my idea go from - no problem XiliX can do that - to - no way, no how - in a matter of paragraphs? Unless you didn't understand what I meant the first time? "

I have read that several times, and I still don't quite understand where you're going with that or what you meant exactly. Sorry if that sounds stupid, but my overall idea has always been the same, I only modified a couple of details because after much consideration and debate with myself and others, I decided that some things might apply after all.

But the XilinX part is something that I never changed, so that is the thing I don't understand. Hope you still do, because it has been a while now since you wrote that down. And that too is another example of why I normally don't do the front to back email answering.

It gets real confusing real fast sometimes. And it often necessitates having to read comments that came before it, just to see what the hell we were talking about in the first place.

@Captain_Gonru "The issue I keep hitting is the why. Why have a controller that can stream anywhere, and then release an Away at all?"

Simple: options. Not all people are interested in a handheld, and not all people are interested in a console. And more importantly: the controller is a pack-in item, it's not like my idea was to let people have a choice of an NX console in combination with a streaming controller OR a handheld. If you buy the home console, you will automatically also own the streaming controller, so having to "bother" with it or not isn't even relevant, since it's no choice.

But the nice thing of both is that the controller can double as a sort of a handheld, and the handheld can double as a controller with additional functions. The controller has no game cartridge slot and will only stream from the console when at home or in the neighborhood, or from the cloud when on holiday, so the catalog of games is limited to what is tied to your account and to the availability of a decent connection, so you indeed did make a good point there.

The handheld plays NX cartridges and is backward compatible with 3DS games, and while it can go online, it doesn't NEED to do so in order for you to be able to play games on it. You can sync your save games with the home console, to be able to begin a game where you left off the last time, and the SD card slot that will also be in the handheld provides space for digital downloads and DLC.

Well, gentlemen, I believe I have addressed everything, but if not then I'm sure I will be hearing from you...

P.S.

If you gentlemen find that you have around an hour or two to kill somewhere during the course of this week, then I would like to invite you to watch/listen to the second live stream with HappyNintendoFan that my friend did this weekend. A long one indeed, but also a lot of relevant and interesting topics discussed.

Hope you can stomach the bad English, but you gotta give 'em credit for trying, and the points do come across, which is the most important part.

Anyways, enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1dnP5V49D4

@Captain_Gonru @rjejr Just saw that PlayerEssence also did a livestream, worth another 2 hours (and 10 minutes), together with SMD64: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbjLlYEb988

Dave posted a partial stream of it on his own channel, no idea why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZjaJHV6F7o

@Captain_Gonru "(years, to hear rjejr tell it)"

Is that disbelief I hear? It has been 2 years, 2 1/2 years really, since Nintendo Life decided not to cover the Nintendo Fusion rumours

http://nintendonews.com/news/general/nintendo-fusion-could-be-nintendos-next-gen-hardware-name/

but some of us covered it on here anyway. January 2014, 2 1/2 years ago, Nintendo fusion, handheld and Home that played the same games.

Comment #24, Jan 29, 2014. I must have written that same post about 3,000 times in the past 30 months. 100x a month, 3x a day.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/01/talking_point_nintendos_3ds_and_wii_u_strategies_face_rather_different_challenges

And if you just want a laugh -

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/01/nintendo_states_there_are_no_plans_to_bring_mini_games_to_smart_devices

I have several nasty comments on that one, I think I've mellowed.

@Captain_Gonru Oops, I left out the most important article which wasn't until Feb, a few days after, when all of this started for real. So yes, maybe you, thanos, aaron and I have been full blown for about 15 months, but Nintendo Life has been covering it for twice that, 30 months. I think Kirk's "what if" proposal goes back about 18 months to the DeNA NX reveal last March, but this was a full 14 months before that even.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/02/iwata_looking_to_emulate_ios_and_android_with_a_common_platform_for_future_nintendo_hardware

Post #40

Best part about that article, I was the one trying to tell damo a hybrid was the way to go and he was trying to tell me a home and portable were the way to go. times have changed.

Oh, and someone named @Savino really seemed to have some clarity on all of this, even back then.

@Captain_Gonru "Can what you've laid out here be presented to an audience that, outside of us that pay attention to games and tech, be differentiated from every other gaming option that's already available, and doesn't need to be explained?"

Short answer: yes, in my opinion that can certainly be done. Nintendo's marketing with the Wii U was absolutely horrible, and the late attempts at fixing that were mediocre at best.

Longer answer: People will not stay with that negative image if Nintendo dots all the i's and crosses all the t's this time. And from all reports they are hard at work at doing exactly that.

The fact that they posted multiple job applications in marketing, and the hiring of a new VP of Sales (click on it and have a laugh) with a massive track record, and according to HNF, they also hired a former Yahoo marketing manager, so combine that with the two marketing lead positions they put out for both handheld and home console departments, and you've got a completely revamped marketing department, so they mean business this time. And they will have to.

@rjejr If someone saying that it would be madness to be able to exchange games/cartridges between home console and handheld constitutes having clarity, then I should probably throw in the towel...

@Mario_Fart There was, but it didn't do a good job showing that the Wii U was a different console and not just a Wii add-on. On top of that, it made it look less like a next-gen gaming console and more like a child's toy.

@Savino No, you haven't commented in this thread, I was commenting on a post you made in February of 2014. That's how long we've been waiting for Nintendo to tell us what their new hardware is going to be, 30 months, 2 1/2 years of waiting. I think I may have to start waiting for NX 2 soon. ;')