Though we can expect the usual new trailer and website updates from The Pokémon Company for the week's planned Pokémon Sun and Moon reveals on 11th/12th August, as always CoroCoro magazine has a handful (but probably not all) of the details; naturally scans have already leaked online.
Serebii has done some initial translations, and what we have are two brand new Pokémon, some varieties of existing 'mon and a first look at the antagonists, Team Skull.
First of all we have sandcastle-like 'mon, both Ghost / Ground types. The small one is called Sunabaa while the larger one is called Shirodesuna.
Next up is Water-type Yowashi, which seems to transform into a larger 'School' form.
We also see the pre-evolved Bewear, called Nuikoguma (naturally a number of these names will be localised for the full reveal later this week).
We also have more Alola forms, variations on Pokémon that adjust to their environments. There's a Fire/Ghost-type Alolan Marowak and a Dark-type Meowth, both on the left side below.
Finally, we have a look at the rather sinister Team Skull, with two notable figures here being the boss Guzma and a girl called Plumeri.
Lots of Pokémon Sun and Moon details to take in there. We can expect official details (including some tweaks in localised names) later in the week - what do you think?
Serebii: "Alolan Marowak developed in response to its natural predators in order to resist them. "
I knew those Alolan Exeggutor were up to something with their long necks to stalk prey. You stand by a coconut tree and then suddenly...
Sandcastle Pokémon. Alright. Sure. Why not?
Alohan Marowak looks great and Alohan Meowth looks sassy as hell. Good stuff.
So there's a possibility of Alolan forms for Cubone and Persian as well then? A fire-type Cubone would be pretty cool! I do hope its not just Kanto Pokémon that get new forms though. Also, I really want Team Skull just to be full on Pokémon pirates!
@Raylax Still better than a busted bag of garbage.
I'm digging that sassy Meowth, and the first thing I thought of when I read "Fire/Ghost-type Alolan Marowak" was the music from PokéMon Tower/Lavender Town.
Team Skull reminds me of the Skaters in Pokémon X & Y!
That bigger fish looks like loads of the small fish forming shapes to ward off predators
i dislike the sandcastle pokemon. its like a weaker design recycled from mimikyu. reminds me of this
@Ninten-san It's actually the remix from Super Smash Land, which I think is a pretty solid remix.
I love how Sunabaa is stabbed in the head with a kid shovel and his face is screaming in agony. Also he's a ghost type. Spirit of the unfinished sandcastle, stranded in the world of living.
A Coconut Tree Pokemon ? XD
Meowth looks like crap. Are Alola forms permanent?
MR. SANDCASTLE WILL BE MINE.
I'm really digging the vast majority of these new designs! Mimikkyu, the fish that schools up, Popplio, the island setting too!
@BLPs That's exactly what it is :3
Are we ready to embrace 'Hawaiian' style of Pokemon on Sun and Moon edition ?
Screw the caste, everything else is gorgeous, including the design of the rival team!!!!
Alright. Anyone who likes the this sand castle, but hates a ball with eyes, radioactive poop, ice cream, trash bag, needs to sit in a corner and contemplate life.
Cannot wait for Sun and Moon, but don't like all this messing with previous generation Pokemon. It's becoming so complicated to stay on top of!
That bigger sandcastle is UGLY! But other than that, big thumbs up all around from me.
@Raylax It's Pennywise, a horiffic monster disguising itself as a cute sandcastle rather than a clown.
Down here Pikachu they all float.
Game plot revealed! U are a kid who just moved to alola. U travel and do island challenges while foiling the plans of team skull. #predictable
Much to @ThanosReXXX's rejoicement, here's what came to my mind when seeing Team Skull:
"Brain ware, main wave"
psychic got a High Kick
but on psychic types
's not very effective
It's all over now
you've blacked out
y'aint weak but
need more rare candy canes
I can't do the whole thing right now because I have a younger cousin to look after, but I'll be glad to finish the parody later.
Team Skull looks interesting and I like the preevolved form of Bewear. Also like the new Meowth and Marowak but I'm not too sure about the sandcastle pokemon. The fish look okay. Still excited for this game anyways though.
I'll admit the skull logo is cool, but I just hope they have the "personality" to match; maybe more cartoony and entertaining rather than "Dark and deep" team flare, about as 3-dimensional as a shadow.
@Fbigabig "#predictable", in a 20 year old nutshell.
Everything looks awesome. Including the sandcastle Pokemon. Don't write the fish that high, but still more than fifty/fifty. The newest and pre-volve of Newest are the ones I don't like.
Dark meowth and Ghost/Fire Marowak? Just saw a YouTube video about Persian being dark type last night. And Ghost Marowak confirms the mother Marowak from first gen... 😭 😜
I dislike the sandcastle, but I usually dislike the designs based on inanimate objects.I also don't like the bear, but the rest looks cool though.
Team Skull looks promising, but I'll need to see more details about them. I hope they do something different with them other than the generic "trying to awaken the legendary pokemon and use their powers" story.
I'm intrigued by Team Skull, it'll be interesting learning more about them and their motives. Part of me also hopes they'll act like pirates.
I'm not too fond of the sandcastle Pokemon, but maybe they'll grow on me. Bewear's pre-evolution is okay, and the fish thing is meh.
I do like both of the Alolan forms for Meowth and Marowak. It's likely that Cubone and Persian will have alternate forms as well. I'm curious, though: will the non-Alolan forms of these Pokemon change once traded to these games, or will they remain as "exotic" alternative forms? Time will tell, I guess.
@Trinexx No, you can still get original forms through trading :3 Alolan Pokemon adapted to the environment in ages, it wouldn't make sense to trade a pokemon and have it adapt in a life time :3
Yay! Another Ghost type!
Yowashi and its evolved form look great.
@ScaredyFox: I wondered if that wasn't how things would behave. I wouldn't put it past Game Freak to come up with some way to have Pokemon change between their Alolan and non-Alolan forms.
The sand castle is like Grimer's drug-free cousin.
Team Flare looked cooler than Team Skull is!
P.S. Yowashi is awesome, Bewear's evolution line has a problem, and the sandcastle Pokemon are the ice cream Pokemon of Alola. Sigh...
Am I the only one who can't STAND these designs? I feel like everyone is praising Pokémon for these new designs and are saying "we love them, give us more" when I'm having a really hard time trying to like these. I feel like most of these Pokemon don't really have "charm" to them, the only ones that really interested me were Rockruff, Pikipek, Komala, the starters and the legendaries
This gen is shaping up to be one of strongest Pokemon wise (imo) especially when you add the Alolan forms into it.
I really like these new designs, especially the big sandcastle. This game looks like it has a really strong individual flavour to it. I think having specific variations of well known Pokemon will help with that. Even the older Pokemon will feel fresh.
@AlexSora89 What song did you use this time to paste these lyrics on?
HOLY SMOKERS! YES! A CASTLE POKEMON! I WILL NAME IT CASTLEVANIA!
I like the new Alola forms too!
Alolan Meowth's design looks kind of lazy to me.
It's pretty much just regular Meowth in a different pose.
Team Skull looks interesting, and I hope they turn out to be pirates as others have suggested, but these new 'mons are quite unimaginative.
The Alola forms are OK, nothing mindblowing but still good (though I preferred the other forms they revealed last time), while the new designs are horrible. I hated the bear when it was revealed and that pre-evolution won't change my mind. Why does it have to look like a maid?
The fish are not ugly, though I can't say I like them. The concept of schooling as well has a nice ring to it but doesn't completely convince me.
And then we have the masterpiece of this batch of 'mons, the sandcstles.
I'm still not sure why they make Pokémon from inanimate objects, and I'm even less sure how people can like them. At least Vanilluxe & co., as stupid as they were, at least had a somewhat "good or at least not bad" design. These look like a 4 years old child's drawing. These kind of designs is what makes me question whether there is some sort of quality control at Game Freak or they simply accept evry design thrown at them by their artists.
On a side note, I thought the 3rd version would be called Star, but I'm getting more and more confident it will be called Earth, release on NX, and act like a 3rd version to both X/Y and Sun/Moon, with Zygarde acting like the 3rd Legendary of both couples and both regions in the same game.
Twister, from The World Ends With You. Skull motifs and stylish outfits? That joke pretty much wrote itself.
@AlexSora89 Aha.. I did try that game out for a bit, but I can't remember the song, so the joke wasn't all that obvious to me...
@AlexSora89 Well, I just listened to it to jog my memory. No wonder I forgot: what a horrible song. A lot of garbled noise and voices in an effort to make it sound hip or techno or whatever. Or maybe I'm just growing old and grumpy, like @rjejr...
Pretty cool that Alola or whatever is called has so many Ghost pokemon. Which now makes me wonder, why isn't Ice Ninetails part ghost instead of part devilspawn, aka fairy?
I think this further supports the rumours that ALL Kanto Pokémon will have an Alohan form. I'm both excited and disappointed as it would be cool on one hand, but it's shameless genwunner pandering on the other, and I would like to see other generation Pokémon receive special treatment as well… such as say… Flying Dunsparce, Lava Lamp Chandelure or Pineapple/Mango-scoop Vanilluxe (or perhaps a Banana Split form)! <3 <3 <3 The more ridiculous and more oddly tropical, the better. Tropius should get some love as well seeing as it looks like a banana-tree dinosaur… thing. And maybe a Grass/Water Alohan Turtwig family with Torterra carrying an Oasis on its back! My mind is racing.
I LOVE the sandcastle Pokémon, for no other reason but the fact that it's going to rub the "ermergurd, they've run out of ideas" crowd the wrong way. The more ridiculous, the better, I say. I love the weirder designs. A hula-skirt donning Jynx (and Mr. Mime!) would also be very welcome. Maybe Voltorb/Electrode can take on the forms of other Pokéballs (with an ultra rare/event exclusive Master Ball form?).
@Dislikesfats : They will be. I imagine that they will be handled in the same way that the Shellos forms were handled back in Diamond/Pearl/Platinum (where the East/West Sea variations could only be found in their respective regions).
You'd still be able to import the original forms of Kanto Pokémon from older games though.
And man, is Bewear's pre-evolution UG-LEE or what?
The castle is a big suprise, but honestly, I like it. At least its square shapes have more logic than some other triangular or oval pokemon that are based on living things.
Trubbish and Magnemite still looks the best from the inanimate object pokemon imo, but the sandcastle pokemon is better explained than the ice cream pokemon. The Ghost part of the pokemon may control the sand so there is a room for our imagination about how the ghost core look like.
Meowth looks a bit weird but I don't mind it, frankly.
The only thing that makes no sense for me is Alolan Marowak. Obviously, the pokemon is purely fan service. And that is what bothers me.
There is no direct relation to that one single deceased Marowak mother. Even if that dead Marowak could somehow populate the whole Alola with her ofsprings, Serebii translates that some Marowak developed into this form. So why not try another typing instead?
I see it as Cubone/Marowak somehow "died" and turned into Ghost type.
Also, is it me, or there are like alot Ghost pokemon in Alola region?
@KTT : There were never many Ghost-type Pokémon to begin with (tied with Ice-type as the least represented of Pokémon types), so I think Game Freak are trying to balance things out by including more of the underrepresented types.
Incidentally, while the Fairy type was only introduced last generation, there are more Fairies than Ghost and Ice-types!
@Lugia I can agree on those choices being the most interesting. Doubly funny that it's coming from Silver's mascot.
@sillygostly I typed that in positive meaning. I always felt that there aren't enough Ghost types.
As for your previous comment, I have mixed feelings about the Alolan forms. From one side it's exciting to see what they can come up with, from other the whole thing scream "look genwunners, buy our new games now?", from yet another side it's kinda like they indeed run out of the ideas and, finally, the forms may be the most creative thing introduced in the series?
On top of that, I'm concerned just like you, wheter the other gens get some Alolan/whatever other region in the future forms. I would definitely see Alolan Tropius in the region or... Grass/Fire Treecko? But also I'm concerned about what has happened to Mega Evolutions? I would love to see more gen 2 Mega forms.
And what if Alola forms won't be handled like Shellos? What if the form will be carried by a female species? Or be randomized, like Nidoran's breeding? How else, in far future, some competitive players could breed a legit ice Vulpix with the future equivalent of 6th gen Pentagons? Shellos form doesn't matter in competitive play, but ice Vulpix? That can shake some things here and there.
@KTT You have to remember that this is the 20th anniversary for the Pokemon franchise so of course the 1st generation is gonna get a lot of love to celebrate that. They popularized the series so not showing them any love at this time would be blasphemous. As stated in the video the Alolan versions are exclusive to the Alola region. As for the megas they obviously play a lesser role here then they did in X/Y and OR/AS. I highly doubt they're just going to drop it after four games hyping it up. Well probably get more info on them in next month's video.
Alolan forms for Turtwig, Tropius, Dunsparce, Feraligatr, and any other pokemon that makes sence would be cool!
Well, of course it's a garbled mess. It's not like the game's proper storyline is any less confusing, but what else can we expect from a Tetsuya Nomura-helmed game?
Q) What do you think?
A) I love the look of the Sunabaa and Shirodesuna line; a sandcastle Pokémon has always been something I'd have liked to have seen and here it is. The only problem is that I'm already interested in having both a ghost (Mimikyu) and a ground (Mudbray) type Pokémon in my squad. My oldest brother has sad he'll likely have one in his squad though.
Yowashi is the most likely of the Pokémon presented here to be part of my squad. I'd prefer to see more details, such as how it changes forms, but I love both it's designs. Having a Pokémon that can learn surf seems like it'd be pretty handy in this region.
As for Team Skull... I feel kind of 'meh' on them currently. There not striking a firm presence in my mind like the other teams; though their designs can easily be compensated with great challenge and/or character.
While I would love to see various Pokemon in other generations get Alola forms, I don't want to see too many get one. I feel like it would diminish the novelty of the concept. With that said, I like what we've seen so far and I like the in-game explanations behind the variants
I am meh on Sunabaa/Shirodesuna. I like the idea. They just don't grab me as other Gen 7 Pokemon have. But I won't write them off completely.
And sort of related, but I am calling it now. Professor Kukui's assistant, Lillie, is gonna be revealed to be the real boss of Team Skull.
The sand castle 'mon is slightly disappointing, but the rest of this reveal MORE than made up for it!
Every generation has their share of a weird inanimate objects that are mostly disliked... Exeggcute, Bronzor, Vanilluxe, Klefki... but a SANDCASTLE? I laughed my butt off when I first saw it! I honestly hate it more than Klefki, but one Pokemon doesn't ruin a generation or show the GF is running out of ideas. I'm still hyped as ever, especially for the Ghost Fish thing!
YES! Dark type Persian inbound! My favorite Pokemon gets the typing it should have, Persian learns a bunch of Dark-type moves anyway. Also that sassy Meowth, I love it. <3
The new ones are ok. I still don't like the bear, though it's pre-evolution is cute. The fish is...a fish. lol I don't have much else to say about it, the only fish that sticks out in my mind is Magikarp. I like the sandcastle. I never minded the inanimate object Pokemon, one of my favorites to come out of the recent gen games was Chandelure.
Team Skull, huh? Ok. My favorite team is still Team Rocket and I don't expect that to change.
At first I didn't like the sand castle pokemon but then I noticed it smothering a Pikachu in the background. So I think I'll at least give it a try haha.
No one warned me about being spooked before clicking this article!
The sandcastle and Bewear need to go back to the drawing board. The fish pokemon looks cool and I hope Team Skull are worthy adversaries. The last time I had trouble beating any team was Pokémon Firered and Pokémon Platinum.
I kinda hope they reference Pokemon Mystery Dungeon and have at least 1 Team Skull grunt use the Team Skull from Explorers of Sky. xD
@ThanosReXXX More grumpy, less old.
I'm not the right person to ask about noisy music though, I'm a big MBV fan.
@rjejr Me? More grumpy? You even scare people off your lawn in your profile, I'm just a maniacal old Titan with Universe domination issues...
As for your choice in music: nothing wrong with that, and remember, I grew up with KISS and similar bands, and I also like bands from the 80's and 90's like Guns & Roses, Iron Maiden, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Evanescence and so on.
But that bit of "music" from The World Ends With You just annoys me and is hard to listen to for me personally. If it was menu or cut scene music, I'd just press the continue button as soon as possible to be rid of it...
@Dislikesfats Yes and no. These forms seem to be ones you can catch in Alola.
I can accept the fish pokemon, but the sandcastle is just lame. Its definitly going to be the pokemon team skull will use the most.
I actually am very excited about the alola forms of older poKEMON. I like them more then the new ones, they shouldv skipped most of the new ones and focussed more on alola forms. It makes a lot more sense too instead of just making new pokrmon just for the sake of it. I like good new designed pokemon but after that dragqueen like fishpokemon it kinda made me hope they stop creating new ones and just focuse on evolving the maingames.
Team Skull looks like a force to be reckon with. The Sandcastle Pokémon looks decent. I wished it was a little cool and menacing.
The prevoulution of Bewear seems to debunk the recent 100 pokemon leak.
@ThanosReXXX - Off topic - OK, admittedly I have no idea what forum we're in - I've been following HappyNintnedo on Twitter, the anti Eurogamer. So thanks.
@Dislikesfats You're thinking of these as "forms" in the sense of previous Pokemon changes like Shaymin and Giratina. These aren't like that at all.
Y'see, they're not really forms at all. They're what we call "subspecies". You see, in the animal kingdom sometimes you'll have a species (like say... a specific type of bird), but there are also offshoots of that species that are adapted towards different environments because of pangea (for example: the same type of bird is found on another continent, but eats a different type of food and has a different type of beak). This means that species like Alolan Vulpix are subspecies of another Pokemon in another region (normal Vulpix). Alolan Vulpix, for example, was forced deep into the cold mountains to survive due to severe competition for resources down bellow, this caused the Vulpix that went up there to gradually adapt to that climate generation after generation until they became the present day Alolan Vulpix. To get a normal Vulpix in Alola, you'll of course have to import it from another region, because normal Vulpix isn't native to Alola.
@Lugia You do realize "good" and "bad" designs are extremely subjective? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that the design might not appeal to others. I don't like Koala's, so I'm not too keen on a certain Pokemon. That doesn't mean that I can't accept that it's probably a good design to people who love that kind of animal. Respect the opinion's of others and don't belittle them by acting as if something's wrong with them for liking what they like.
I'm actually liking the Alolan forms more than the new pokemon but that's maybe because I grew up with gen 1. I will say though that Exeggutor wasn't one of my favorites to begin with, but now it's just terrifying.
I can't wait for Sun&Moon to come out, I'm re-playing through Y in anticipation and my complete living Pokedex has been waiting a long time on the Bank! I haven't been this excited about a new Pokemon game in a long time but everything I've seen so far is really good and heading in the right direction.
I always laugh how everytime new Pokemon are introduced there's a large group of people bashing the designs while praising the Gen 1 designs. Mr. Mime and Jynx are IMO some of the worst Pokemon designs and how are Magnemite, Grimer, Exeggcute and Voltorb better in design than Klink, Trubbish, Litwick, Klefki and Vanillite?
You can't please everyone but I'm confident that most if not all designs will grow on everyone as time passes. Mr. Mime and Jynx have grown on people so there's your evidence
@rjejr Yeah, no problem. He might just be a crazy fanboy and we probably need to take all he says with generous helpings of salt, but more and more people say he is "confirmed" or checks out as actually having Nintendo contacts. You can even ask him for his evidence. Don't know how that works, I could probably also connect to people working at Nintendo via my LinkedIn profile, but in the end that doesn't have to mean all that much.
But at least he's a fresh and different flavor from all the "yep, EuroGamer said it, so it's confirmed" people...
He does seem to offer a lot of info that you normally wouldn't just be able to guess, though, so part of his ramblings might be true.
Guess we'll find out soon enough, just a few more weeks...
@KTT Its a big deal when a series or franchise is still as big and active after 20 years so it's a cause to celebrate. So yeah the Kanto region is going to get some special attention this gen because it deserves it. I doubt there will be any other alolan versions of other gens, mostly because in game it seems Kanto and Alola are very close or have special relationship, but in the next generation I can see them continue with other region pokemon. As for boosting them, most of the 1st got tweaked in the 6th gen to be on par with the other gens. The reason they might not be seen as often in competitive play is because of lack of duel typing for most of them, lack of special abilities, and there being 600+ other pokemon to chose from that either do the same thing with a better design or are more flexible.
@ThanosReXXX I just hope Nintendo announces the announcement soon now that Sony and Apple have Sept 7th locked up. They announced all of those Select games and New 3DS price yesterday so somebody is still working at Ntinedo over the summer. I'll be at Play Nintendo on Friday, pestering everyone there about NX news. They must be sick of hearing about it. Maybe I'll start my own Youtube channel after that.
@Uzuki Yeah, the stats changes were much appreciated but pokes from other gens received some boost as well.
Hmm, maybe that is the reason why GF decided to swap the types of the 1st gen pokemon? People who like old pokes can't use them because they are weak (typing/abilities/etc) competetive wise? They can use them now, sort of, as Alolan.
@rjejr Come on over to the Nintendo Selects thread: I'm currently making aaronsullivan rethink the whole "Nvidia-only" theory. Great fun...
@ThanosReXXX Is there any thread we aren't discussing the NX in.
Between your NX theories and Gonru's amiibo obsession poor aaron doesn't know what hit him.
@rjejr I'm going to post the rest of my off-topic ramblings there, to include them as well, otherwise I keep going back and forth. And there is some interesting stuff I found that is now doing the rounds on the interwebs...
@ThanosReXXX "ramblings there"
There were, the Select thread? Wouldn't the thread w/ all the youtube vids make more sense?
That's a special thread for me, I think it's the only 1 I haven't commented on in over 4 years on NL. Well not counting vacations, I don't post on vacation.
I'm ok wherever though.
@rjejr Yeah, the Nintendo Selects one. I made two comments to you here (#80 & #82), but the second one was meant to be an edit to the first one that already had the link to the topic in it.
Just out of curiosity: why is the thread special to you if you haven't commented on it? A bit of sarcasm there?
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