When Pokémon GO launched last week it prompted a climb in Nintendo's share value, which was unsurprising considering its high profile status. Yet as the days have progressed the app has gone viral in many ways, and the stock market in Japan has reacted accordingly.
At the close of the Tokyo exchange on 11th July Nintendo's share value recorded a staggering 24.52% increase, settling on 20,260 Yen; that's the highest value since 29th October 2015. As you can see below, the climb has been significant since GO arrived in Japan (where it has since been removed), Australia, New Zealand and the US.
Analysts are also queuing up to share their perspectives on its early success. Serkan Toto, founder of consultant Kantan Games Inc. and a familiar name here on Nintendo Life, is quoted as follows on Bloomberg.
This is some Nintendo magic. It's the first time a mobile game has created a buzz like this at least in the U.S. This is basically what Nintendo is all about.
When I ask my friends in the industry if they can remember another occasion when a mobile game shot up to the number one grossing position that quickly, no one can remember another case like this.
Amir Anvarzadeh, manager of Japanese equity sales at BGC Partners Inc, said the following in a note to clients.
Clearly Nintendo has managed to pull off something very special that has created a craze in the mobile-gaming market in a matter of days. This game may not be big enough to move the earnings dial in the short term, but sentiment-wise it could prove very potent at this stage for Nintendo when hopes of major success on mobile have been very deflated since last year.
Nintendo's history is peppered with big comebacks, when all seems lost and we have much respect for its developers to argue with these early signs of Pokemon euphoria. Although the game is free to download, it looks well structured to potentially monetize on its early success through in-app purchases.
Though analysts typically tie the success of Pokémon Go to Nintendo as a business, it's important to remember that Nintendo is one of multiple investors behind developer Niantic, with others including The Pokémon Company and Google. Even with its shares in The Pokémon Company, profits for Nintendo from GO - despite its impressive performance in being a top-performing grossing app - are unlikely to be game changing. They are, however, a pointer to the potential of smart device apps on the company's bottom line. Macquarie Capital Securities Analyst David Gibson has said that the most popular Pokemon GO item in Australia is currently $0.99 worth of in-game currency, meaning the game's App Store ranking "is being driven not by big spenders but by a large number of users."
As users build their Pokemon inventory, spending money becomes needed to store, train, hatch, and battle.
We presume that out of every 100 units earned at the App Store, 30 would go to Apple, 30 to [software developer] Niantic, 30 to Pokemon and 10 to Nintendo. Hence, we don't think Nintendo will earn much directly from the game. However, Nintendo will earn income from its equity-accounted income of owning 33 percent of Pokemon Company.
Deutsche Bank AG Analyst Han Joon Kim is glowing in his assessment, admitting that while Pokémon GO may not be a huge earner for Nintendo it can be a "leadoff hitter" in a "transitional/watershed year" for the company.
Pokemon Go has gone beyond success to become a phenomenon, topping the revenue grossing charts in the three regions into which it has been launched: the U.S., Australia and New Zealand.
If nothing else, Pokemon Go has shown that there are 'dormant' Nintendo fans eager to trial its content for smartphones. By the fall, Nintendo expects to bring proven content, such as Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem — and the blend of strong IP, Nintendo's distribution power and proven content could lead to financial success .
All told there's a lot of excitement about the impact that success on mobile can have for Nintendo on a financial and brand awareness level. While Pokémon GO seems to have hit upon a perfect storm of IP and demand, there's certainly plenty of potential for the likes of Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem to also achieve success in the future.
They're going to need that for all the lawsuits that they will get no matter how dumb they may be!
This is why people called out for Nintendo on mobile for so long. The hits on mobile dwarf console or handheld gamings biggest successes, and the only hurdle is getting noticed. Nintendo were never going to have that problem.
@Peach64 Yeah but I'm really worried that now that they have a good taste of this market we are in for a rather bad change at Nintendo. I'm worried about the dedicated gaming scene they have will go all casual.
That....that's...wow. One thing made that much. I don't...alright? Everyone was saying it looks naf but are being sucked in to it!
Will this make Nintendo more noticed, and therefore boost their other IP and hardware into a form of prominence again, or will this simply push the Pokémon brand further? And if the latter, it wont benefit the home console business of Nintendo because as we know, The Pokémon Companazis are the definition of stingy. Even with amiibo.
In before all the Debby Downers calling for Nintendo to move to mobile completely or go third party since apparently that is way more successful than their console business...
@ThanosReXXX Awww....you're no fun...walks away in a sulk...
Time to get back to my Tokyo Mirage Sessions then!
@BLPs If Nintendo plays their cards right, they could successfully get the Nintendo name back into the general public's minds with GO and maybe drive NX sales because of it.
@Spoony_Tech Random article in my newspaper this morning about "criminals" outside of St Louis were "luring" Go players somewhere and then robbing them. I'm going to guess there was less "luring" and more standing next to a gym or Pokestop in a dark alley but the article said "luring". Do you know anything about setting up a "beacon" in the game?
@ThanosReXXX NX is a tablet.
Wow. I certainly didn't expect this. You never know when something is going to catch fire. All the morning shows on radio stations are talking about it...it's bananas.
@Peach64 Exactly. Honestly my favorite part about all this newfound mobile success is how torn the die hard NDFers are about it. It's crushing their souls and they can't even anymore LOL
@ThanosReXXX Please believe Nintendo is considering this very much. The move to mobile, not 3rd party.
Ditching dedicated portable hardware is a no brainer at this point. But Nintendo isn't as quick to act as some other companies, so I expect they'll give it one last ditch effort with the NX hybrid.
@BLPs "Will this make Nintendo more noticed, and therefore boost their other IP and hardware into a form of prominence again, or will this simply push the Pokémon brand further?"
I think it's pretty much established at this point in people's minds that Nintendo = Pokemon and vise versa.
Is there a way to filter out Pokemon Go articles on NintendoLife?
They need to set about making Pokémon Go tie into a game for the NX. I'm telling you: if you let people bring their Go Pokémon to an online stadium-type game, everyone will buy the system it runs on. But they need to get this out there quickly, before the buzz fades.
If Nintendo plays their cards right, they could persuade all of these users to jump onto a core Pokemon game if they are given proper incentive. Hell, I know one person who bought Pokemon X on the spot because he enjoyed Go so much
@BensonUii I'm already drinking. And not because I have to Let's Play Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric on my own, since my channel mates all left to do their own stuff.
@rjejr Help me...my liver....oh the controversy on Pokémon will never end. Its not like there is a legal disclaimer and its just humans being stupid....whatever will we do. This species cant admit they are idiots and that's upsetting XD And entertaining.
@ReshiramZekrom Maybe is the key word. They need to leverage Pokémon onto NX and bolster that even more than they have with Zelda, but because GameFreak and TPC seem to do whatever and screw home consoles, i'm not expecting much.
@gatorboi352 Pokémon = Nintendo despite being an almost entirely separate entity, as I had to explain to my PC centric "chums". They found it endlessly confusing when trying to explain who owns what. But the public are a bunch of carbon bags that just do whatever for five minutes, don't acknowledge warnings about the dangers of looking at your phone while crossing a street. I know some YouTubers are reporting on Pokémon GO, and one has just constantly, daily, said it's dangerous, repeatedly per video, and with each example of the USERS being stupid, or the game being used for malicious intent that is in no way a fault of the game beyond it existing, and a quick view of said video's comments are calling for a ban. Yes really. Cant tell if trolls, don't care if they are serious or not, the words are there and give it time before the good old "Pokemanz is teh devilz release your children from this satanic demonocracy revengeance send me $50 and good things will come your way oh I feelz teh powah lawd dial now and sow your seeds".
Yes I did just take the pee out of televangelism. Because why the hell not? Ive never seen such a blatant pile of bullspooge in my life, and its those groups that like to champion all the "Gamez are teh devilz".
....I really hate humanity don't I?
@GrandpaPixel I said "in before" not "to prevent them from" so feel free to have at it...
@BensonUii Yup, and petty as that sounds, I'm afraid you're right and that is exactly what would happen...
@rjejr "Thug uses "steal items" on Pokémon GO! player. It's SUPER EFFECTIVE!"
And I'm pretty sure that the NX isn't going to be a tablet...
@gatorboi352 I'll believe they will make it a solid part of their software division, but as for a complete move over to mobile/smart? Not in a million years. No company in it's right mind is going to give up it's core, hardware-related business for something as fickle as the mobile market. Success now, gone tomorrow, so to speak.
Pokémon games or apps will probably always be pretty successful, since it is still a very popular IP, but other IP's may not even reach a small percentage of that success, so that is simply not going to happen.
Oh, and NX isn't going to be a hybrid but a dedicated console...
I went to play Go for a bit this morning....it kept crashing/glitching on me.
@ThanosReXXX LOL sure thing, guy. I guess that's why you're not an executive working at Nintendo, either.
Fickle. LOL. IF mobile is "fickle" then what adjective to we have to describe their "core" the last 20 years? Dwindling? Plummeting?
Businesses like MONEY.
@bogofet That, or people will continue playing Pokemon on their smartphones and give no about whatever dedicated hardware there is. That's just seen as another thing to carry around and pay for/maintain.
Now hopefully they plan to have a Pokemon game or app for the NX launch that ties in with this in some way.Promote the hell out of it on Go,offer incentives for buying an NX and then the console could get off to a flying start.It should really be integrated with MyNintendo too,they can have tens of millions signing up for a Nintendo account if they approach it right.Maybe offer free in game currency for signing up.With the NX on the horizon and all the hype and positive news around Zelda,the timing is perfect.
@rjejr I wouldn't know since I'm like the only Nintendo fan in the world not playing apparently.
@gatorboi352 Well, thanks for the kind reply...
I gave you an honest and normal answer, would be nice to see you return the favor instead of using a bucket of acid.
And I may not work at Nintendo, at least I have more than enough experience in sales & marketing and in the IT market to be able to make a good educated guess.
Yes, businesses like money, or more exactly: NEED money, and in this case, that is EXACTLY why I said that they will more than likely make it a regular part of their various software divisions, but their core business is hardware and a LOT of money has been invested the last couple of years in consolidating all these different departments and separate locations, and that strategy and/or investment is of such an order, that it is definitely not feasible for them to go and switch over to something new all over again.
And yes, mobile is fickle. There is so much content and so many companies have already come and gone because of their games not being good or discerning enough.
Nintendo has now also already experienced both a hit and a miss, and with 3 more games/apps to come, there's no guarantee whatsoever that these are going to be anywhere near as successful as Pokémon GO!, so it would be VERY stupid to put all your eggs in that basket, regardless of past losses and failures.
Let's first see what they've made of the NX, and if that device truly bombs, then they might reconsider, but something tells me that this is not going to be the case...
And let's not exaggerate the number of years, shall we? The first three quarters of the life span of the Wii was a VERY successful period for Nintendo, so 20 years is quite a bit off the mark, and not just if you ask me...
Proof that is you slap Pokemon on it anything will sell. The "game" itself is barebones, glitchy and kind of terrible the way it does catching in general. I doubt anyone would care if it wasn't Pokemon.
That said I've continued to play when I have spare time Or when I'm out on walks anyway. I don't see it burning this hot for long though.
@Spoony_Tech Not even your kids? I figured this would be a fun family thing for you guys.
And speaking of fun family things, have you looked into the Finding Dory play set in DI? 2D platforming isn't really my thing but the 2 toys are really cute. I'm holding out for a half price sale, though I'm wondering if they went low on the stock due to the game ending.
Sure hope Sun and Moon see boosted sales thanks to Go renewing interest in the franchise. Be interesting to see how the app does in Japan against Yokai Watch which I believe has it's 3rd installment coming this month over there.
But hey, if the NX ends up like the Wii U, least they have another cashcow like their handhelds to fall back on... XD
This may seem great in the short term but I wouldn't be a fan of this in the long run. Investors want money and they don't care if Nintendo are selling games or cans of poop. I don't want Nintendo leaving the console market and I'm not a major fan of smart phone games.
swearing like that doesn't work...-Megumi
@rjejr I've steered far away from DI. Just yesterday Best Buy had a huge sale on a ton a figures and 3.0 starter sets. I could've jumped on then but decided not to with already having 3 Skylander games and Lego Dimensions. Figures were going for as low as 3.99 and starter set less then 20$.
Pokemon Go is a smash hit similar to Wii Sports for the Wii was. Nintendo has a way of creating cultural icons. Nintendo is never "Doomed".
@yuwarite I'd like that too.
@ThanosReXXX "And I'm pretty sure that the NX isn't going to be a tablet... "
I don't know about that. Well OK, THE NX isn't going to be a tablet, but have you seen how much they've been marketing the $79 2DS? It's gotten 2 price drops in 3 years, that 1 more than the 4 year old Wii U, and 2 more than the 3 year old XL which has always been $199. And the 2DS basically is a tablet that plays 3DS games in 2D, so they aren't really "3D"S games any more. The entire summer 2016 tour is built around the 2DS, look at that lame line-up of games.
So I think Ntineod will enter the tablet market. Not high end iPad competition, but Curio and Leapfrog and those other Toys R Us kids tablets. a 2DS replacement. Where's the NEW 2DS? So I'm thinking NX Tablet that works as a tablet, and maybe a controller for NX, but not NX games.
This is a patent for a tablet w/ a Circle Pad Pro attached. Think of it as a tablet by day, NX controller by night. Or a Dreamcast VMU w/ Android built in. Nintendo needs a tablet for the under 8 crowd.
@BLPs Everything is a controversy these days. People should drink more, comment on the internet less. Well maybe less of both for you.
@ThanosReXXX Actually, there's four more apps. Pokemon GO isn't part of the 5 apps they plan to release by the end of March. The last two apps will probably feature Mario and maybe Kirby. I don't think Zelda will be featured at all.
@Spoony_Tech I was in Best Buy yesterday looking at ovens/stoves - our gas oven won't light, just goes boom - and looked at all those toys but didn't really see any clearance sales. Phineas was $1.99 but I'd rather have Perry the Platypus. But I guess I confused you and Aaron, he does DI, you do Skylanders, honest mistake. We still don't own Lego D, just 6 packs.
Some people still don't understand Pokemon Go, it's not the traditional Pokemon game. I would described it as a real world social network sports game.
Real world social network as in: bringing and meeting people in the real world. You will meet other players at Pokestop or gym areas.
Sports as in: Joining red, blue or yellow team. You take control of the gyms in your neighbourhood to dominate the area. It's like playing captured the flag. Once you won, you put your monster there to guard the gym with your username labeled on it. This makes it more gratifying and fun than any leaderboard.
The competition is fierce! This makes finding the best monster rewarding and people will go out and search for them. Maybe even go hiking in a group to seek out the rare species.
That's what drives the obsession of this game. It's almost like Clash of clans in the real world.
@rjejr It was only the one day sale thing on the app. If you don't see it there I don't think they mark them for a sale if it's just one day at the store. You still can get the price from the app you just have to know what's on sale.
@Nintendian "Some people still don't understand Pokemon Go, it's not the traditional Pokemon game."
The beautiful thing is though, is that this doesn't matter. At all. People at the end of the day just like to occupy their time with "fun". They also like smartphones.
Nintendo will realize very quickly that dedicated $200+ hardware and $40 games are not the answer to their recent woes. Shifting more and more of their core Ips to mobile is the answer.
@rjejr Yeah, I had some idea that you were thinking of that, and in that respect you may have a point, but it could also be that with the move away from Wii/Wii U family of consoles, they are also moving away from the 3DS/2DS family of handhelds, which is obviously where the NX family of consoles AND handhelds come in, so I guess well have to wait and see how that pans out. But I don't think that Nintendo is going to do some sort of second screen or smart glass kind of setup. That once again doesn't tick the box of "new way to play" and such.
@IceClimbers Ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it actually was part of "the five"...
Why would you be worried about Nintendo's core gaming focus? If anything the revenue they bring in on mobile will only strengthen their core gaming experiences. If Nintendo wasn't keeping their main focus on core games then they wouldn't be making an incredibly ambitious Zelda game. It costs millions of dollars to rent out that much floor space at E3 and who knows how much more it cost to construct the Zelda booth. The game deserves the advertisement though.
Thus every share holder for the last 5 years is proved right. Nintendo IP on smart phones prints money.
@Stargazer It's the late 90's all over again
@ThanosReXXX "But I don't think that Nintendo is going to do some sort of second screen or smart glass kind of setup."
They can't NOT do it. Sure, they screwed up Wii U big time, but DS sold 150 million in part b/c of that 2nd screen. The home console won't ship w/ a 2nd screen - too expensive - but they will find a way to play w/ the NX Away and NX Home combined like smartglass. I've never played Yokai-Watch or Pokemon on the handheld, but something tells me doing away w/ that 2nd screen now would not be a good idea. Now w/ a tablet thats easy, hold it horizontal/landscape for 1 screen, or vertical/portrait for 2 screens, just have to work out the buttons, for the TV you will need to buy either the tablet "NX controller" or the NX Away to use as a 2nd screen. They won't abandon 2 screens, they'll just minimize it to mostly maps and menus - that's @JaxonH theory which I concur. 3D is going away though.
@Spoony_Tech I used ot really abhor "Aps", even th ewor dmade me cringe, then I found apps to be so much better than websites, just click and there you are, but now I have too many apps that I don't like how they work. Target's Cartwheel won't link up to my Redcard account, food shopping uses an app, Staples, Best Buy, Lowes, every where I shop has it's own app w/ deals and discounts. It's become overwhelming. Not to mention the emails.
Anway, probably better I dind't know, we have enough toys the kids don't use. They never even played Skyaldners Superchargers and we have several vehicles and drivers nto to mention both the Wii and Wii U versions. I still want Dory and Nemo though, nice decorations for our seaside themed bathroom perhaps.
I just hope Nintendo doesn't go crazy with the whole mobile thing. I'd hate to see some of their best franchises shift away from being traditional console games.
Pokemon Go is a great example of the kind of smartphone-centric game that could help build interest in their I.P.s. I mean, Pokemon will sell well anyway, but what if the FE mobile game really caught on, and then the next big FE game on NX or whatever catches a ton of attention? If they're smart with this, they can appeal to new audiences while not alienating their core fans.
@Zeldafanforlife You made my point in your comment. Why spend millions to a dedicated game when they can spend a lot less and roll in the dough. It's already been said to make a profit they need to sell over 2 million copies. Beyond that how much do they need to sell to feel they made a good profit when these phone games can bring in millions a day for a long period.
@IceClimbers Do you happen to have timelines for those 4 games? I know all 4 were due out by March 2017 and FE and AC are coming, but I can't find anything else. I did a Google search for "DeNA Nintendo games" and every article was from 2015, and here we are in July 2016. No new info makes me doubt 4 games by March 2017.
Reading this article makes me think maybe Nintedo should have gotten more involved w/ Niantic than DeNA. Go is crushing Miitomo any way you look at it.
@rjejr Yeah... I'm just not seeing that happen. Might be that they would add such functionality with DeNA's help, so that you can use your own tablet or phone with the NX, but it is not going to be the feature of the NX.
Like I said: that's not something new or revolutionary at all, let alone a new way to play.
And Nintendo is a stickler for physical buttons, so the fact that they are even doing some mobile games already has more than likely taken quite a bit of internal debate at Nintendo HQ.
@Clownshoes I'm a Met fan, I don't drink nearly enough. And I almost never type on my phone, home PC mostly, and I'm not sure what's up w/ the auto-correct on here.
But please, feel free to reply to me often so I have an excuse to type even more.
I proved my point that Nintendo is keeping their main focus on their core games. If Nintendo only needs to sell 2 million copies of Zelda to be profitable then they're definitely doing something right because it'll easily sell twice that. I think this new Zelda could be a 10 miliion seller. It deserves it.
@ThanosReXXX Guess we'll find out someday, hopefully before I die of old age. Though 2DS seemed like it was announced and released out of the blue so if they are doing a tablet it may get announced and released like that later on, not at the NX reveal. Though that $35 Pokemon Go Plus accessory makes me doubt Ntinedo's ability to do a cheap tablet. How can 2DS be $79 but Pokeball $35? Its a freaking vibrating ball. 35 cents of materials and 3 cents labor in a sweatshop. The ball, not the 2DS, 2DS may be mono sound, but it plays 3DS games, well worth the $79 even though I hate it. For $35 they could have at least put a watch on the Plus. $42 gets your kid a touchscreen camera.
So Nitneod will make a tablet, just not a cheap one, maybe $129, and just not right away. 2/3DS will be replaced by a standard NX Away.
@Zeldafanforlife 10 million would be something special, the highest selling Zelda game of all time is the original TP at 8.5mil (I don't know the HD numbers), and that was on the combined install base of Wii and Gamecube, so well over 100mil. Skyward Sword sold 3.6mil on the 100mil Wii.
5mil is probably realistic, a lot will depend on NX. How does one project how many games will sell on a console we know nothing about? If NX is a handheld or hybrid, maybe Zelda Wild could sell 20mil as people scoop it up to play on the go. If NX is only an overpriced home console maybe if flops like Wii U and nobody buys Zelda Wild? Wii U install base will forever be about 13mil, that 2mil number might be their projection for Wii U, which I'd say is probably low as Wii U owners hunger for a game, any game. A release date would also be nice.
Maybe 10mil if hey give it away free-to-start on mobile?
@rjejr I'm pretty sure you'll survive at least another two months, my friend. September will be the month to write down in your agenda, and maybe even the end of August...
And I see we're still on the same page: home and away NX, so the whole smart platform must be an extra, provided that it will actually be made, so we were having a minor miscommunication there, no biggie...
By the way, when did the extra year happen? I thought you only recently celebrated half a century on this mud ball called Earth.
Well, at least you don't have to go through life wearing clown shoes...
Great to see Nintendo doing well with something. Reminds me of the old days.
I just hope they don't end up ditching their AAA games in the long run. If there are no more Mario Galaxies and Xenoblade Chronicles it'd be a very sad thing.
I hope they find a smart way to make this success feed into their console business.
@Zeldafanforlife I don't disagree with you on the here and now. I'm talking about when they fully get into the mobile market and start seeing the profits. A few years from now I can definitely see far less dedicated games from them.
@ThanosReXXX I know, seems like I just turned the big 5-0 doesn't it? Now I have what seems like just another meaningless birthday only 9 days away. I'm not excited at all. Was going to get a PS4 but now I'm holding off for FFXV, Neo or Christmas, which ever comes first, or last, I waffle. Can't wait until the NX in March, please understand Nintendo, my family needs Christmas gifts more than Easter gifts.
So, when we finally get the NX info in late August or early Sept - I wont hold you to that - do we get ALL of it - price, date, games, hardware - or just some of it? And by "Date" I mean date, not Q1, winter/spring or March, an actual circle the calendar date. Seems like alot for 1 time, but I think they need it, just can't believe they'll announce it all at once.
@rjejr Oh and right now 1000's of not hundreds of 1000's of people are listening to my local sports radio station talking about Pokemon Go....... They will get 1000's more people to try it you can bet on that.
@Spoony_Tech "A few years from now I can definitely see far less dedicated games from them."
How much "far less" can you get than 1 game in 8 months on Wii U: July - Feb only has Paper Mario; AC and FE on mobile, that's twice as many on mobile. (if Zelda Wild releases in March). They are ALREADY releasing more games on mobile than they are on their home console. I really don't follow 3DS as well as I should, but I don't see much there besides Pokemon S&M, which I consider to be a wash w/ Go.
My sports radio station is playing Murphy Go where Mets fans try to find Daniel Murphy's 2016 contract. (Not really, it was a long weekend, I'm guessing even non-Met fans have heard of our pay-back drubbing.)
@rjejr I suspect just a reveal with some info on the system, the functionality and the first batch of games with a release window. I'm not sure if they are going to give an exact date, other than probably reaffirming March 2017.
Nice Murphy joke, btw...
@The_Dude_Abides And so speaketh the crystal ball of foresight...
@gatorboi352 you do realise that the last Pokémon on 3DS sold something like 15m right?
Actual sounds Iike you will be happy to see them ditch portable hardware and go mobile.
Good luck playing Zelda, MH and any other complex game on a touch screen. Oh and lets not forget battery life.
Oh and don't come back with you can use a Bluetooth controller on mobile. People don't use these things.
@Jayvir Now THAT'S a WIN!!!
Lovely to see the effect on Nintendo stock. Way to go Nintendo.
@rjejr AC and FE are due out in the fall. I imagine they'll release the last two early next year.
@gatorboi352 Yet releasing $300+ console hardware with $60 games in a market where they have very little market share and next to zero third party support is?
It makes FAR more sense for Nintendo to drop home consoles than to drop handhelds at this point in time. Barring a flash-in-the-pan success like the Wii, expect any home console from them to sell worse than the previous one.
Are these good news or do they mean that Nintendo's future is in mobile apps (which are bad news for traditional players)?
@Spoony_Tech not all mobile games are casual. Just saying.
@ThanosReXXX I have to admit, I had no idea whatsoever you were talking about w/ that clown shoes comment until I posted here and then it just clicked. Good one.
@IceClimbers Thanks. Somebody should tell Ntineod "fall" is only about 70 days away and we know absolutely nothing about those 2 games other than their names. It's been a month since E3, time for hem to start promoting again. Maybe a mobile focused ND, whee they spend half the time talking about what a success P Go is and then how FE and AC will be even better.
Wadaya think @Grumble_Volcano a mobile focused ND? FE and AC is the bulk of their holiday line-up alongside Pokemon S&M and PM. And I think Go will be updated for awhile - new Pokemon added, trading, battling - its a long way from going away. Mobile ND late August, NX in Sept?
"When I ask my friends in the industry if they can remember another occasion when a mobile game shot up to the number one grossing position that quickly, no one can remember another case like this."
I'm just realizing this is like bigger than Candy Crush and Angry Birds It's huge. It's in news reports in small countries around the world. If they do it right we're talking about movies, parks, Frozen like presence... like the biggest thing since... Mario or Mickey. Stock jumped 35%, can it jump 200%? who knows? Knock on Wood Nintendo, you struck gold. And gold means more stuff for everyone - Wii U, NX, whatever.
I wonder if Pokémon Go will increase the sales of Pokémon Sun and Moon, and if so, by how much?
I'm hoping they install the ability to put your mon on Pokemon Bank so you can use it in an actual game. Now that will grow the incentive to buy a 3DS so much more.
Well, just read "Junichi Masuda is looking at ways for the game to connect with the next entry in the core series Pokémon games. " on Bulbagarden. Looks like that will be a reality.
All of you people are no freakin fun. NINTENDO'S GETTIN THIS MONEEEEEY all you nerds need to stfu
@rjejr I was hinting at your reaction to comment #52...
Personally, I thought you handled that guy really decently. I was about to ask him "why the attitude" but thought better of it and left it up to you, since he wasn't addressing me in the first place.
But it did annoy me, like so many internet warriors and commenters do, nowadays. No more patience, no more decency, all seem to think they have the wisdom of the ages and none can stand to have their leg pulled even just a little bit without returning the favor with some snide remark or violent threat.
Must be an age thing or something. I'm assuming most people on here are WAY younger than us, save for a handful of them that we both frequently cross paths and talk with. Back in the day (God, I feel old) if I was that impolite to someone of our current age, my father would personally smack me on the head to teach me some manners. And having that ingrained in you from childhood makes it harder for me to accept such behavior from others, but I suppose I better "get with the times" because it sure as heck ain't gonna get any better. In fact it'll probably get worse...
So, you definitely handled that better than I would. Perhaps I should take note of that and of what @JaxonH said to me last week about trying to shrug it of a bit more and just go about my business.
Going to be a tough nut to crack, I tell ya...
@kobashi100 what we would most likely see is one of two scenarios, or both, if Nintendo went to mobile instead of their own dedicated portables:
1) they would release a slew of Nintendo branded accessories that could pair with smartphones, for certain games
2) tweak/tailor their IPs to better function on/work with base smartphones and their touch screens
Nintendo themselves noted a few years back that the majority of people that play their dedicated portable hardware do so in the comfort of their own homes. What this means to Nintendo is people aren't taking their DS or 3DS out with them on the go. They're taking smartphones.
Nintendo of the future should focus on home console work (NX) and mobile.
@ThanosReXXX I can't go off on everybody who attacks me over my typos, I make too many of them. I used to, but it's draining after awhile. So I just try to find humour in the situation and be thankful I'm not them.
@rjejr Well, I was looking for a good explanation as to why I feel so tired and drained lately, because I figured it couldn't just be from working, since I'm obviously used to that by now. Guess I found it.
F*** the internet and all its invisible cronies and energy vampires....
"Shifting more and more of their core Ips to mobile is the answer"
I think that's the answer too, actually. But I don't think it should replace their hardware, I think it should work as a supplement.
If you look at their bottom line, they're still making money in the console business. They've had to fight tooth and nail for every dollar, but they've risen to the occasion quite well. Even with Wii U, which may have outsold Dreamcast, Saturn, TG16 and a few other platforms is still their own worst selling console (VB aside), and yet somehow they've turned profit this generation. That's evidence that it's a good business- when you can still make money (heck, even just break even) in a worst case scenario situation.
I think handhelds are still their bread and butter (well, that could change to mobile some day but, still doesn't negate the profits handhelds bring also) and while their consoles have never really done that well the last 20 years, as long as it's not losing money, it's best to stay in the business. It keeps mindshare and a foot in the door. Once they concede that market they'll never get it back. Even if they just hang on to 10-15 million core players, it's only a good thing I think.
Ultimately, I'm hoping mobile can bring financial stability so that they can continue makig consoles and handhelds without a constant pressure to succeed for the sake of the company. If mobile becomes bug, they can afford Wii U sales every generation. Which is good for us, because it guarantees we never stop getting Nintendo console games even if it's not really popular.
@ThanosReXXX Or, you know, you are just getting old. Gotta get that low "T" prescription refilled.
I watched those 2 DF vids about Zelda. Does look better. I also went back and rewatched the now 2 year old E3 vid w/ the laser blasting guardian and decided there was just enough color after all. Mostly on th eguardian, I like shiny.
I'd still prefer this look though. Don't ask me to explain why or what the difference is, 1 just looks more "solid" is all I got.
I hope when they unviel NX they don't do so w/ a bunch of tech demos that are never going to become games. What's the point?
this is a smart play in the mobile world. If they can do things like this while still publishing "proper games" then I'm all for it.
@rjejr Guess I have to add some more iron to my diet. Used to work out at the gym 3 days a week, but for the last few years other priorities and lack of funds to spend on it have made me quit.
"I also went back and rewatched the now 2 year old E3 vid"
Ah, the old "run away from the Guardian" demo, still nice even in light of the current, improved version of the game.
If you like shiny, you must also like the outside of the shrines, then.
And the water, obviously....
I can understand why you would prefer the old tech demo look of Zelda, I was all hyped for such a version myself back then, and then I heard that it was made in Unreal Engine 3.5, which was never officially supported on Wii U, unless developers themselves decided to use it for the Wii U version of their game.
And obviously, Nintendo wasn't about to pay the license fees to make a game with that engine themselves. Every Zelda has been made with a custom engine, and so is Breath of the Wild.
But they have also changed their tune on that particular point, as shown by them looking for a programmer well-versed in Unreal Engine 4 and other modern game engines, so who knows what the next Zelda is going to look like...
Totally agreed on the tech demo stuff. Obviously, tech demos are a means of showing what the console can do/handle.
Oftentimes they are easier to manipulate into going full power than your average game, so it is a great showcase of the maximum yield of the hardware, and as such it can lure in both customers and developers. Provided you also market the rest of your strategy correctly...
But I have certainly seen some really interesting demos pass by on all systems throughout the years, and most if not all of them are lost forever without us being able to tinker with them, which is a damn shame...
They should just release a demo disc with the console, much like they used to do with the GameCube in stores or with the discs on magazines.
As it so happens, one of the showfloor tech demo discs of the GameCube (not one shown to the public, but they did show it to publishers/developers) was saved for future generations:
There's iso's of it all over the place, and it is quite an interesting program, with a lot of stuff to try out.
I shoulda bought some stock...
Pokemon Go compatability with the NX handheld should be top priority now. If Nintendo also have Animal Crossing out at launch the NX could be the next Wii.
My partner said this to me last night, lol. You know all about Pokemon. Why did you not say something 😅
@ThanosReXXX I won't even try to imagine what the next Zelda game will look like... on mobile. Seriously though, the NX secrecy is starting to get to me.
Had a long post today about how many copies Zelda Wild will sell. Realized I have no idea b/c I don't know how many consoles NX will sell, partly b/c I have no idea what it is. Nintendo will have a dedicated handheld, I feel 99% about that, and it will likely play home console games - I think MK, SSB, XC and HW/L are proof of that - but how much will they cost, when will they release, will there be a reason for people to buy both. I think Zelda could sell a ton if it's playable on a $199 handheld that sells 50 million units, but if it's an expensive home console only w/ no multimedia, HDD or portability, then it may only sell 8mil, the hardware, not the game. I know NX will have a home console component, but price and portability matter.
@rjejr STARTING to get to you? I thought you already had your fill weeks ago. That holiday must certainly have done you some good...
Oh well, now that you have been somewhat enthused again by the Digital Foundry videos, you can spend the next few months watching those E3 Zelda videos from the eShop. That should tide you over, and maybe some of those rumors will start to solidify themselves long before Nintendo comes with their official announcement, so maybe we can scrape a couple more weeks off the official date, huh?
Just out of curiosity, now that you have been more positive about the new Zelda, are you going to buy it on Wii U or are you going to wait and see how much of an improvement the NX version will be?
There's also still some questions waiting for you over here:
Mid section, right after "Just watch it travel across surfaces, it is really a nice touch which hasn't been implemented in a Nintendo title to this degree before."
So then Nintendo technically earns 20% from sales.
A hundred million dollars (which isn't really that much, given the projected global draw), and Nintendo has 20,000,000$ from this one game.
Without the investment of a drawn out HD dev cycle.
Sell a 3DS game for 40, and you'd have to sell 500,000 copies to make 20 million.
I think some people misunderstand what this news really means. Market value is literally the value of shares out there and nothing of profits, and it is no surprise that the release of an oft-requested franchise going mobile garnered the response it did from the market. Simply put, investors have been asking for Pokemon mobile for a while, and any level of success would've led to improved share value. The market got what it wanted, and it insists that Nintendo's management knows what it is doing as a result. That's literally all this means.
@gatorboi352 "Nintendo of the future should focus on home console work (NX) and mobile."
It's odd that you say the opposite of what most people believe is right for the Big N. What's weirder is I agree with you to an extent.
@ThanosReXXX You're asking me if I'm buying a game on a console that could be a wristwatch or a Roomba vacuum?
I honestly don't know. but you are right, the holiday vacation did do me good.
Hot air balloons? I don't know, just seen them around a lot lately but never implemented well in a videogame before. I'm all about the zeitgeist or serendipity or coincidence, whatever you want to call it. Time seems right for a hot air balloon. In game I want the view w/o the work, parasailing is work. And the sky in that game is way too empty. Needs a few of these big guys.
so the nx is a smart phone?
Good news. Nintendo can't afford to be relying on their Hardware business any more, nor the potentially short-lived Amiibo revenue. A proper move into the Mobile business makes perfect sense.
@King_Boo correction: major IP, Miitomo sold well, but its nothing compared to candy crush, let alone Pokémon GO
@Ralizah don't worry, the idea is to make money through giving casuals the taste of the forbidden elixir
@electrolite77 Not really, its too short sighted, Nintendo needs to turn these phenomena into a long term strategy... that's why pokemania was persistent up to Gen III
@Chibiterasu not like this....
I was thinking of mobile gaming in general rather than Pokemon. They need more revenue streams.
@HSuzumiyaVI Yeah, Flappy wasn't insanely popular like GO is right now (thank goodness), but it's the second thing to come to mind when I think about games that blew up overnight.
Fingers crossed that GO doesn't die out as fast as Flappy Bird, though.
@electrolite77 indeed, but its also the mind share.
cannibalising is a good thing when it impacts less on your dedicated money maker.
@Chibiterasu it is addictive and while it is polarizing, it is helping small business get some of the economic pie.
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