While many expected Nintendo to show the Nintendo NX at E3 some time ago, it clearly wasn't ready to be unveiled right now, so it made sense to double down on the upcoming NX launch title (and Wii U swansong) The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild instead.
Of course that isn't going to stop the press asking questions. Recently The Associated Press quizzed Miyamoto-san about how the Nintendo NX will factor into the console cycle revolution, in light of the technological advances announced by the PlayStation and Xbox camps. Here's what he had to say:
In terms of NX, there's an idea that we're working on. That's why we can't share anything at this point, and I don't want to comment on the other companies. If it was just a matter of following advancements in technology, things would be coming out a lot quicker.
While we're expecting the home console NX variant to at least match today's PS4 and Xbox One in terms of power for those lovely third party ports, it's clear from Miyamoto's comment that Nintendo once again is not entering the tech specs war.
Could this "idea" be as revolutionary as motion controls were when the Wii launched in 2006? As always, share your thoughts with a comment below.
ya, there is no way it will even come close to the power of the neo or the scorpio (though to be fair those will probably be incredibly expensive)
Hoping it's something cool to have in a console and not a gimmick that they will try to force down our throats. Also hope NX stays the name of the thing and it doesn't become something like a "Wii W"
Why is it so hard for nintendo to grasp the idea of releasing a console up to par? seriously, releasing a console up-to-date already has easy benefits such as no watered down 3rd party softwares
Either it's something revolutionary, or its a gimmick. Either way, I can't wait to see it.
I've seen this news on other sites, but everyone keeps takes the stance that it is either one or the other, that it can't be both powerful and special. The quote gives me the impression that what (might) make it powerful is tied in with whatever special thing it does, so they can't say anything about it without revealing too much.
I'm worried and excited at the same time. UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH WHEN'S THE NEXT NINTENDO DIRECCCCTTTTT
I'm fine with Nintendo rolling with an idea, but I think they'd be better served keeping their consoles up to snuff with their competitors. Sure, their ideas are awesome, but they said it themselves: software sells consoles. If NX doesn't get those third party games, there's less incentive for the non-Nintendo faithful to want one. Despite having some of the best IP in the entire industry, I don't see it being a lucrative strategy to simply have those be the only focus.
stop thinking having something new/cool/different is against having also a powerfull hardware.
That's simply not true.
I'm totally fine with them doing their own thing and making it unique, but it HAS to be up to par with the competition. The two aren't mutually exclusive, but they can't go cheap on the specs in today's market. It's really not that complicated. If this thing is underpowered, it will be passed over by third parties again, and we will have another Wii U.
@Snow-Dust The real question is, why is it so hard for YOU to imagine Nintendo releasing a hardware up to par with the competition ? NOTHING that we know until now point to Nintendo releasing a sub par hardware. Everything we've heard are rumors of satisfied and excited developpers. So........ wait and see ?
If you want a powerful console there are already two out there for you. They're out now and there are loads of games. If you want something different to that, keep your eye on Nintendo. I don't want a 3rd big box on the market I want something thats for the people that want something different. I want it to be affordable rather than powerful. I also want it to be portable. The hybrid rumours sound amazing to me and I'd gladly sacrifice power for portability. Stay positive and get excited! It might not be for you or maybe it will be your favourite console ever!
Always open to new frontiers of gaming
I get the feeling the NX will sit between the 1st versions and 2nd versions of X1/PS4. There is a lot of talk that the conflicting rumours about its power are due to the NX being 2 systems that share the same carts. One is a Tegra powered handheld (around X1 stats and the other is a home unit in the 3-4 teraflops range (anyone else really hate that word for a technical thing)
At least it sounds - in this translation anyway - as though technical advances are also a part of it. So while I doubt they'll be going for any of the cutting edge stuff, it should at least be powerful enough to handle ports of whatever 3rd parties are planning to release.
''Revolutionary idea''-wise I can't think of many things that'll seal the deal for me. I just want good games.
Stop the teasing Nintendo!
At this rate the NX will need to be a Stargate to the Mushrooom Kingdom and Hyrule for match my expectations T.T;;;
@boyo44 I'm right with you on that one.
Giant Robot Sleep Sensor inbound. No? Anyone?
Code for "Don't expect vr.".
@SPG PS4 neo won't be that powerfull, it wouldn't be very hard for Nintendo to build a hardware that sits close to it in specs while keeping a fairly low price.
Reports are saying PS4 neo should have specs in line with AMD RX 480, which is a 200$ part (for general consumer) Do the math.
What people don't realise is how much tech as evolved thoses last years. Things are a lot faster, efficient and cheaper.
PS4 and Xbox One were already outdated when they released and they're really not that good by today's standards. And the Wii U... well... it's the stone age!
If you find the Wii U to be capable, then the NX will blow your mind, whatever it is.
So basically they're not entirely sure what they're doing yet.
@MitchVogel I agree. Ninty have this habit of claiming they're not running the same race, but they are. And the sooner they get their heads out of the sand, the better.
I really don't think power and software development (for the sake 3rd party games) are going to be a problem at all, as many of the major 3rd party studios (save for EA, but whatever) have given the NX nothing but high praise. As for the "issue" with the Scorpio and Neo, I don't there's going to be a problem there, as a few big 3rd party studios (Take-Two being one) have said they're happy with the power "on current-gen consoles, so [they're not] screaming for more power." Meaning the Scorpio and Neo are close to being pointless, from a gaming point-of-view.
As for this "idea", it just makes things more exciting. A hybrid console is the only "idea" I can come up with though.
I like that nintend's unique- it's part of what makes them (mostly) great. I'm just hoping that the console doesn't become so gimmicky that 3rd parties don't want to develop games for it.
The NX goes from being less powerful than XBox One (2013), to the same power as PS4 (2013) to be being just under PS4 Neo.
Personally so long as it's as powerful as the original PS4, that would be perfectly fine.
"In terms of NX, there's an idea that we're working on."
Wait...what?! You're still working on the concept?!! This got me confused...
So wait, they knew NX exists around 2012/2013, now everyone knows it exists and now they say they are still working on the idea?
My God, I have a feeling NX will be boned like U, because they won't help the console to create the hype and expect like idiots to come into existence by itself. For U it didn't work well.
Miyamoto said 'OK, this is the idea: First we have the Wiimote, then the Wii U tablet. Now NX will have none of those! HA ha ha ha, what a great idea!'
Nintendo needs to let online commenters handle the $ billions of its R&D budget otherwise they'll surely develop a second Wii U. Yes, they'll spend those billions and just end up with a Wii U situation because that's all they know now. They couldn't possibly know how to move forward after making that console, no no, they're destined to keep losing with their Wii U-like consoles over, and over and over again.
I'm ok with this.
Ugh. Sounds like a(nother) gimmick to me, especially coming out of Miyamoto's mouth. Le sigh...
Hey @NLife, where's the acknowledgment for sending in this tasty bit of news?
No, it really isn't. That's reading into and assuming things, just like people where doing with Reggie Fils-Aimé's statement.
Both of them mean practically nothing in the larger scale of things. Both Reggie and Miyamoto always talk like this. Look back in history and you'll see, so it could be intended as more specific this time, but not necessarily so.
i don't care about 3rd parties anymore since i own ps4 and xbox and ill get neo and scorpio when they come out ... so I'm not using my nintendo for 3rd parties specially with the price system nintendo using ... i just need a powerful system with nice controller to enjoy zelda/mario etc with nice graphics and nice OS system
@ThanosReXXX I suppose people don't understand the meaning of 'just a matter of' in "If it was just a matter of following advancements in technology, things would be coming out a lot quicker". If I had to guess, the idea they are working on is software related. If it was hardware related, they would be done with it (unless 'working on' was a mistranslation)
This is worrying to hear, actually. Please, no more gimmicks...I just want to play games normally...
I'm pessimistically optimistic.
Nintendo will have to sell their next system to me; I won't just blindly preorder it like systems past.
Mario-esque games are my favorite, but the Grade-A 1st party titles are just too few and far in between releases... and without much 3rd party support to fill in the gaps.
And please, no gimmick nonsense... just utilize the tech that you opt to use (I'm looking at you, Wii U controller).
And to add further to this comment, with Zelda coming on Wii U, I think that will give a lot of us something to play for a good solid year (if not longer) so it shall be pretty easy to wait this next release out to see if it's actually worth the money.
Clearly the Wii U release, as well as the years that followed, were a disaster in terms of support and sales... but some of my favorite Nintendo games are for that system. Just not a enough of them.
So I shall wait.......
If Nintendo, yet again, is going to release another underpowered console, it will be the final nail in the coffin!
As they will again loose all Third party support, except some Lego titles.
They need full Third party support if they want to survive this new round!
Simply because the releases of Nintendo's first party titles are few and far between!
People just get fed up, having their console dusting away in a dark corner, waiting for a new major title to release! As was the case with the WiiU!
So if the NX cannot even match (but should exceed) the Power of the PS4 and XBox One, Third party Developers will again avoid Nintendo's platform, as it will be too expensive and time consuming to create a seperate watered down version of their games.
Unless they manage to sell Close to 100 million consoles again, like they did with the original Wii, but that is just not going to happen anymore.
The NX console should have hardware close to the PS4 Neo that is going to release. It's not that expensive, as it's just an updated AMD CPU/APU.
Then at least Nintendo can set themselves for the future and will it be easier to get full third party support.
Gimmicks are a completely no-go area for me. The Wii U worked for me because it was essentially a home console DS setup which I'm used to. But when normal controls aren't present, I'm concerned. :x
@TommyRabbit Very well said
@Snow-Dust no one said it was not up to par
Here's hoping this gimmick—which is almost certainly what it's going to be—actually does more good than harm.
Nintendo has great ideas, like the Wiimote and the GamePad, but sometimes it just doesn't fully realise the potential of those additions to the basic formula, and when it gets it wrong we kinda all lose.
Nintendo follow their own path, the path of a vagabond ninja.
@Lizuka very negative way to look at the comments
I'm going on holiday until the NX is revealed
@abe_hikura this sounds like it would be very expensive and unrealistic
@Dave24 NX was first mentioned in public in March 2015. They had probably only been working on it for about a year at that point, not sure where you got 2012/13 from?
What a load of rubbish we are reading.
QUOTE: the home console NX variant to at least match today's PS4 and Xbox.....
It should be more powerful otherwise Nintendo will always play catch up.
It should not take Nintendo this long to get a powerful console with a good controller and new games to market. Unless they are working on another gimmic.
They would have started working on concepts that led to NX since before the Wii U was released
@peeks that's nice for you but not everyone can afford every system out there so for Nintendo fans who can only get one system some decent third party games on top of Nintendo's own would be good
@TeeJay how many games on Wii u could you actually 'not play normally'? As far as I'm aware there are only really a few that have different control schemes such as starfox
The NX could be referring to a rumour that was floating around just after the WII launch and I think that it is beginning to sound a bit familiar. There was a rumour before WII U that the next ninty console was going to allow us to save large demo parts of our games on the a handheld unit and transfer these for our friends to try.
All of a sudden we did not have to wait to trail a demo but save a few levels of our friends games. It makes a lot of sense and now with the rumoured cartridge system has the memory capability to easily write flash files for fast storage and transfer.
Developers do not have to waste valuable game building time on preparing demo's either a number of levels or a set game percentage can be transferred.
I'm calling this as the secret.
Could this be Nintendo NEXT as in next person to try the game?
Its probably just a Wii U gamepad with a Wii remote inpaled in the center screen.
@roboshort The bit they're working on could indeed be software, but for some reason I think it's an add-on (SCD's?) or something that better integrates handhelds and consoles for the new generations to come. Time will tell.
@Discostew @Kokusho @locky-mavo And luckily some more people that are at least level-headed and not making too much of this, especially not something way too negative.
Sigh... I would really hope people will stop using phrases like "Wii U 2.0" or "going to be another Wii U". Nintendo have officially stated that the NX (whatever it is) is a clear departure from that whole architecture and series of names, so if they dropped it, so should we.
And let's look at this from a glass half full perspective: if they really want to keep things under wraps that bad then it might just be that they're on to something once again, as they have done so many times in the past, you never know.
Being negative is very easy, but for some reason Nintendo making something both up to par or better and still bringing something new to the video game market apparently seems to be an unfathomable idea for a lot of people, so therefore, the console must "surely" be weak and "gimmicky", while in reality, being powerful and bringing some new way to play isn't mutually exclusive: it can have both, so let's not wallow in despair just yet, okay?
It is both truly exhausting and exasperating sometimes, but that is what this wonderful age of the internet brings us...
To end on a more positive note: if they are still working on the whole idea, there actually is a chance that they did incorporate reasonably modern hardware, such as something Polaris-like, which was already being developed around two years ago, provided (obviously) the NX design isn't finalized yet.
Just... a... few... more... months... to... go...
"it's clear from Miyamoto's comment that Nintendo once again is not entering the tech specs war".
@Darren You're joking right? Nothing is clear, you among everyone else, who are not apart of Nintendo or their business partners, have no idea what it is. How I interpret Miyamoto's comment: "we have other ideas too, not just better tech specs."
@shaneoh Nintendo are constantly working on different ideas for hardware and software but I'm pretty sure they would've only moved on to more solid ideas in the last couple of years
@Vegaphil That wasn't Nintendo's intention for the console though. They wanted it to be another gimmick but then they couldn't find any ways to use their new gimmick, and so all games ended up using the Gamepad for Off-TV play and Inventory.
I gotta say, I do love Off-TV play though.
@MADGAZ can you explain your idea a bit more please? I'm not really getting it
@ThanosReXXX well said
@Vegaphil to be clear the talk is that its two SEPERATE machines, as in two separate purchases so it would be "cheaper" to join the ecosystem.
The TALK is that Nintendo isn't changing their Home/Handheld business by creating some middle child. They are changing their Home/Handheld game library is actually handled.
I mean we all ready know that publishers are prepared to have 1 disk (cart) run 2 different versions of the game. (this being the principle behind the PS4Neo's game library) and Nintendo has experimented with that with Hyrule Warriors Legends
As long as you don't have to sing to or something stupid like that
It'll be powerful enough, Its looking like its some sort of "hub" thing I reckon, ain't gonna be a gimmicky controller again, well, in saying that, I reckon a Nintendo mobile phone could be part of it? Why else would Nintendo go into the games market, a mobile phone that can also be used as a second controller at home? A monthly payment for online that includes phone calls etc, wii u chat app for free video calls etc.......Third parties would go crazy for that too.....
@Vegaphil Thanks, I see that I forgot to mention you as well in my list of level-headed people. Well, hereby I declare that mistake fixed...
And for the general public I will add these videos to (hopefully) add some perspective to the conversation:
I care about innovation, not "power." I also care about art, not mathematics. To each their own.
@Kokusho I have a gaming pc with a 390x in it, I assure you the consoles won't blow me away. it will be impressive if they throw a 480 in there sure but unless they take a loss on the console it will be around $400 once again. Though people seemed to be more ok with that this time around.
but either way that's assuming ms or sony want to break even or take a loss, if they want a profit on the console they're going to jack up the price, something sony can't afford to do since most of their other divisions are still bleeding money, playstation is their only profitable division.
Personally I think the Scorpio and the Neo are going to cost about £600, and just like the N3DS, there's no guarantee they'll be that many games that need to be or will be designed to take advantage of the processing power- i mean, what impact will the graphical upgrade have on lego games or skylanders? The fact Nintendo doesn't have many photo realistic games probably means we don't need that many terraflops for Mario to be told Peach is in another castle.
Personally I think a box around the £300 mark with a clever selling point and (hopefully) more games- if only from the unified portable and console divisions of Nintendo would be a great sell to families and nostalgia fans.
Just make that console handheld hybrid great.
@Vegaphil Aonuma about Breath of the Wild and NX
"From the beginning we were thinking of releasing this title on both platforms", and in 2013 Miyamoto said about Zelda that they made significant progress and they actually wanted to show the game, but wanted to polish it more. And that was beginning of the year, so we can safely assume development of Zelda started in 2012.
But you can still believe "they just started".
Reggie said they weren't ready to do any VR stuff until it is mainstream, so NX shouldn't have any of that. (Thank you!) We also know that Breath of the Wild will be playable on it, so it must have some standard controls. Maybe the gimmick isn't in the controls this time?
Like I said last year they should bring the innovations in software not controls or hardware gimmicks. Give us a true Nintendo Land / Wars Wars plaza mom like 3rd person PS Home style interface with true party modes that let you play with your friends and even create a playlist of races in Mario Kart, smash battles and mini-gams from Mario Party with daily quests, massive TV screens for Nintendo Direct and player housing and tons of collectibles.
@SPG I said it will blow you away IF you though the Wii U was anything but an archaic underpowered hardware. If as you said you have a gaming pc I highly doubt you were impressed by anything the Wii U could render (I'm not speaking about the quality of its games, only its technical aspect)
I'm probably being cynical, but "We're working on an idea" doesn't fill me with enthusiasm, you'd think that at this point they would at least have the idea finished, it almost seems like they don't really know what NX will do themselves... o_O
I think his quote is easily misunderstood. When he says tech advance would happen much quicker, I think he is stating that if all you are doing is adding bigger badder parts to the console then you can have a new console every year like cell phones, and isn't really commenting on NX or the new Sony / MS boxes because he knows there is more too it then just upgrading the specs
I will just be playing my Wii U watching the hamsters on the wheel for a few years to see how things shake out.
In my opinion, it will not matter how powerful this thing is because third party games will just never really sell too good on Nintendo consoles. I really don't see the next assassins creed, titanfall , destiny , mass effect, or watchdogs etc selling well enough. I think it has more to do with the content in these games and the demographic Nintendo caters to than it does console power. I understand there are people out there that desire this and there is nothing wrong with that but I just do not see it working out but I will not complain if it does just not holding by breath.
Nintendo should focus on making gaming simplified again. No game installs from disc, no VR, no 4k, no paying for online, no 2 yr console power upgrades. Just give me a cartridge to pop into the system with a normal controller so when I get back from the store I can sit down and play my game. We do not need 4k to see Mario's freckles and nose hair.
Finally, I am hoping for a cartridge based hybrid system. If that happens and those first party games are coming steadily month after month along with a consistent stream of virtual console games that are tied to my account and can be played at home or on the road with only one purchase then I will jump on the hamster wheel alot sooner rather than later.
With all that being said, Nintendo just tell us what this thing is already so I can decide to save my money for it or go ahead and purchase a new 3DS this holiday.
I'm trying so hard not to get hyped. Expecting something like a WiiU hybrid didgeridoo atm 🙃
Nintendo have always been pretty secretive about giving away details of upcoming consoles, I remember when Nintendo announced the N64 and there was no controller. Looking forward to hear more about Nx, I'm hoping it's called Nintendo System 8.
@peeks lucky boy.
What about all of us who can't afford multiple consoles
@Snow-Dust - It's a tech race, there's no hurry except among hardcore gamers. I'm among the masses who could care less about having the highest specs. Yeah, Wii U was underbuilt, but there were a lot more factors that caused it to fail - a lot more.
As long as it's not another red/black VR headset that I have to duct tape to my skull (because the flimsy stand broke off fifteen years ago), I will be waiting with cash in hand.
A lot of people on this site I don't think will like the NX. It will probably have a gimmicky idea that alienates them from the generic gaming companies and third party repeaters.
Sounds like the Nintendo I love.
@Pj1 - That's because they get copied all the time.
so you just want Nintendo to make an xbox 1.
whatever it is, it must be easy to reproduce, maybe even with software. My guess is that it's facial expression recognition combined with voice recognition and auto-translation, putting you 'In the game' in a certain way never seen before. If they reveal it now, the other companies could patch it into existing games and Nintendo would be second out the gate. If they wait until they have a decent amount of software demonstrations, they get all the new hype and copiers will look like copiers, like how PlayStation move was obviously 'the Sony wiimote'...
I am guessing NX stands for Nintendo Cross. It will be a family of devices all tied together by some distribution service. Like Apple and Steam had a baby. I originally thought Nintendo would make a portable tied to a ARM server for the home, giving players ownership of multiplayer servers in a way. Now I am thinking this is way more ambitious.
I personally don't know what to think any more. With the amount of rumors and litteraly nothing solid from Nintendo, it could just be a new pancake maker that makes pancakes in the shape of Mario and Reggie's heads.
I'm just going to take a bunch of NyQuil and sleep for several weeks. Someone please wake me up when they finally reveal this pancake maker.
@SMW I disagree, Breath of the Wild could easily be played with Wii Remote + Nunchuk so gimmicky controls is still a very realistic possibility.
@TommyRabbit That's you; Nintendo should be trying to reach out, not solely cater inwards. And better specs make things more attractive for 3rd parties.
@MitchVogel The underlying problem with the NX I foresee is that it's a product of Iwata's Nintendo rather than Kimishima's Ninendo; it takes years of planning to develop new hardware.
This makes me think it isnt a bunch of re-purposed VR nonsense...which makes me a bit more excited for an official NX announcement.
I am not sure, but I come to think of that the next idea might be the scrolling wheels we saw a while ago from one of Nintendo's patents and I think that it could be something like that potentially. I mean I don't think scrolling wheels for the L and R button wouldn't be that extreme and something more like the rumble pack.
Nintendo once again is not entering the tech specs war.
My thinking about that is simple...
Sony vs. Microsoft = HD graphic, Ultra violence, adult games, dark theme, demonic dogma, not friendly kids console wars. Mainstream people did that.
Nintendo = Wacky and Creative . Just look back Wii vs. PS3 vs. XBOX 360. Nintendo didn't care at all for console wars. Being creative, out of the box, mindblowing ideas. Anti-Mainstream people did that. Anti-Mainstream people doesn't really like to compete each other. Anti-Mainstream usually thinking out of the box. And Nintendo in Anti-Mainstream way IMO. Much like Mainstream vs. Anti-Mainstream.
If the NX had nothing special to it, then what would be its place on the market? What would be the point of having 3 identical machines?
If the NX is just a Neo-Scorpio clone, then its dead already.
@Kimite You should make that link appear as an image, since hot linking isn't allowed by the site it came from, so it isn't working now. If you change [url] to [img] then it should be visible for everyone.
As for your idea: could always happen of course, but take into consideration that patents aren't used 9 out of 10 times and if I were to bet any money on any of them, then my bet goes to the SCD's, since that is literally the only patent concerning the NX up til now that has actually been cleared for completion, which hints at it actually going to be implemented in some way, shape or form...
I'll take Gimmicks for a thousand, Alex!!!
@3MonthBeef Yeah. It's hard to say what they got cooking. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
NX is doomed.
I don't know why but I just can't shake the feeling that NX is going to be some kind of gaming client like steam that could be not only put on its own dedicated hardware but could also but put onto other devices too using a unified account system. This would mean Nintendo could throw in hardware revisions whenever they need to and your library will be able to carry over. If it is similar to the windows 10 thing this would allow for some games to work on a mobile, PC and a console or at least some part of the game.
Translation: still underpowered if compared to its rivals, new gimmick coming up to make up for it. I don't like this sentence.
Buuuuuuuuuut I can - and hope to - be wrong, and I won't be completely doom 'n' gloom until the NX is fully revealed.
Gimmick or no Gimmick, I just hope they get good third party support. I usually only buy Nintendo systems, but this gen I've watched how third party support has been almost nonexistent.
Sigh, looks like I may have to think about getting a secondhand PS4 or Xone....
Can the NX make buttered toast? If it can't, well then it's doomed to fail. Sorry, that's just how it is.
Looks like people are taking Miyamoto's statement out of context again. What he is saying is that they have an idea with NX but it doesnt JUST follow technological advancements. That' doesnt necessarily mean NX wil be an underpowered gimmick. Why is reading comprehension so hard for people these days
Everyone keeps forgetting the whole premise for this that was announced like 2 years ago. QoL. Quality of Life. It had plans of working into parts of your days, like a sleep sensor, exercise tracker, etc.
Funny how people like to say how Nintendo is stuck in the past, but then want them to use a controller that's basically from the 80s/90s.
But that's the gaming community for you.
I'd actually like for every console to have a gimmick. How much more exciting it would be! Back in the day devs had no problem putting games on different consoles while playing to their strengths or weaknesses. Like Street Fighter for a Sega console, though it lacked buttons. But I guess the run for power has made different versions of the same game practically nonviable. And yet people only want more and more power.
But that's the gaming community for you.
@AlexSora89 "Translation... "
No, my friend, absolutely not. Try my explanation, a much better solution for a good night's rest.
And the videos I posted in a later comment also offer more than enough perspective to lose that negative-only tunnel vision...
@CashGunsChaos However, that has nothing to do with Nintendo's gaming department. Mr. Iwata, Miyamoto and Reggie have already commented on this numerous times in the past, so NX is not going to be related to that at all.
@Shirma_Akayaku If anything, it'll probably be pizza...
@ThanosReXXX Thanks for the tip as I have been wondering on how to make images appear on Nintendo Life :+).
Also shouldn't you be changing your Url ;+). Anyway for the Cloud gaming idea if that's what you mean, I don't think people would mind Cloud gaming that much as long as the streaming works well enough :+).
People are way too quick to assume the worst.
I really doubt the nx will be that underpowered since it will supposedly be easy to port ps4/ xboxone games to. And it doesn't need to be as powerful as the neo or scorpio.
Just because he said they're working on an idea doesnt mean they dont know what they're doing. If the nx is releasing in march they know what the idea is.
Some people need to chill and just wait for nintendo to reveal the damn thing before jumping on the doom and gloom bandwagon.
@Kimite Change my url? I have no idea what you mean by that. The NLife article I linked to works just fine.
And that isn't really cloud gaming: the Supplemental Computing Devices add power to the existing console both local and online, so it is a bit of both, but read the NLife article I linked to if you haven't yet. It is an interesting topic, imho.
@Vegaphil Hey yep. I remember when everyone was guessing what the Wii U was there was a few rumours going around that the gamepad would somehow allow you to create small demo's, of the games that you own for your friends to try.
I don't recall full details or where they were from but I guess the idea is that you can save a few levels of your new game onto the gamepad (now a potential cartridge) That can either be played by you on the move or transferred to your friends.
Ugh its another Wii U.
Even if it makes the sales of the Wii, gamers and publishers will be wary of investing in it because even with 100 million NXes sold, that won't matter at all if only 100,000 people buys your game. Nintendo needs to stop chasing after the fairy tale known as the Wii and give us the true successor to the SNES. That way, there's still a chance of them having financial success plus they'll win back the trust of their gamers, who will then buy the NX, giving third parties an actual AUDIENCE for their games which will then be helpful for Nintendo as third party games will also help draw even more people to their NX, which means more people buying NX and Nintendo's 1st party games as well.
But nope, we're getting Wii 3. I predict that it'll be named WiiP, as "Wii U" rhymes with 'Wii 2'. You can read "WiiP" as 'Wii Pee' or 'Weep'.
Ok. It's not the power quote that scares me. It's the revolutionary idea thing. This is VERY concerning. Another gimmick is the last thing I want. Hopefully this new idea is something small and optional, and not a main part of the system.
A company that only makes video games can't compete directly with global multimedia conglomerates that can afford to take massive losses in their video game divisions. And there's just not enough room alongside PC, Playstation, and Xbox for a fourth expensive box that has the same games.
Making a console that's unique and has its own niche and is affordable enough to be bought alongside a mainstream console is a workable strategy. The Wii U tried to half-ass both sides (are we allowed to say ass on here?).
Except you can get creative games on MS and Sony consoles. You can also get kid friendly games on those consoles, too. The only difference is that those games are lacking the branding of 'Nintendo'.
@AVahne No, it's not another Wii, please drop that misnomer. I have no idea how you extract such misconstrued ideas from a single quote that, as several people including myself have already said, didn't exclude power at all since it clearly states "Which doesn't JUST follow advancements in technology". The key phrasing here being not just.
@Adamario well said.
Hmmm, a slightly more powerful Wii U / handheld hybrid with VR expansion would be realistic and affordable.
I don't think Wii U needs third parties!
I think Wii U needs 3DS games and Nintendo 3DS needs the Wii U games (and power).
@MADGAZ ok I see. That's a neat idea but I'm not sure it's enough to base a new console around. Nintendo have said NX is a new way to play games and although that is a cool extra feature it doesn't quite fit with that.
I expect the NX will be powerful enough. I believe we're reaching a point where more powerful machines won't do much to change the gaming experience. For example, 4K support. From what I have read, the human eye isn't able to detect the difference between HD and 4K unless the screen size is bigger than 60 inches(that size varies depending on how far away you sit). Also, the more powerful the consoles get, the longer it takes to make software. This will lead to large gaps in game releases which is already becoming an issue. Games are so huge now they get delayed often or release with bugs because they aren't tested fully. If a system is reasonably powerful, developers will be able to make great games in a timely manner. I'm not sure how far away the power spec plateau is, but it's coming soon for sure. I think Nintendo ID aware of that.
@SKTTR Oh no matter what Nintendo is doing, they need third parties. More variety is what you need on a console. Nintendo can't afford to lose third parties.
@AVahne no offence but I think you are chasing a fairy tale by dreaming of a successor to the SNES. I'm not even sure what you mean by that but if I was guessing you mean a nintendo console with good third party support and power on a level with it's competition then we have already had that with the Gamecube.
@3MonthBeef Oh man, better even forget about bringing up that topic again. The ramifications of what a lot of ill-informed people have done there will more than likely be felt for years to come.
I do feel for the people that were duped, though. They have to live with the fact that had they known, they would certainly have voted against, but now it is done.
@3MonthBeef NX confirmed more doomed than the UK!
Unfortunately, there is no titles from both Sony and Microsoft that capturing my trust, even they claimed creative and unique one (example Big Planet, Mod Racer, etc). I measured the games by Japanese standard, not by Western standard. Games that can make put the title on my shopping list are must be Japanese branded 99%, Not too western looking and or inside, kid friendly but high priority done by Japanese developer not by Western developer, quirky but fun games like some titles on NDS, Cute looking but must be Japanese style, etc.
So, whatever titles on both Sony and Microsoft even kid friendly or unique one, will NEVER wins my heart and my trust. When my trust has been despaired, i will never trust anymore. So, that's my treatment about Sony and Microsoft now. I don't care both of them, whatever their efforts. Simply i abandonded both of them. Just ONLY Nintendo in my shopping list.
so in other words " we are not saying anything about the NX just yet in case someone steals our ideas and releases their version before us"
and i'm OK with that
Nah... I think it just a rumour.
If yes, my... i can't imagine how bad the taste of UK adult male gamer.
Nice to see that more people are starting to think outside of the box to speculate on what it might actually be.
It isn't really thinking out of the box yet, since all things I see being mentioned are things that are already known or have already been done by others, so that in no way constitutes another way to play much less anything completely new and never seen before, as Nintendo themselves claim to be making. (and which is apparently the reason of them keeping their cards so close to their chest up til now)
@mariovslink62: Yes, that's what I was basically saying: Wii U and Nintendo's next home console needs more games / variety!
And the best variety and highest quantity of top quality exclusive third party games is on the 3DS!
So, let Nintendo merge their two main systems and we have all the great exclusives on one system.
Really, what do I miss if I have a Wii U, a PC, a smartphone, and Nintendo's next console that is likely going to combine home console and handheld and maybe even VR? I tell you what I'm gonna miss: nothing much of substance.
So the n64 wasnt a true succesor to the snes?
@SKTTR All I need is a PC honestly. If Nintendo's next console is worth buying, I might get the NX. For now, I'm keeping an open mind.
Seems that most are missing the "just" in his statement. If it were "just" following advancements in technology, with the newest and greatest hardware, it would already be out. That does not imply that it isn't following advancements. It is explaining that something brand new is being implemented that must be kept tight lipped. Believe it or not, they could be putting power AND innovation into one box.
To be honest, we shouldn't assume that the NX is an underpowered console based off of Miyamoto's quote. The fact that he uses "just" could imply that Nintendo might have a decently powerful console. Maybe not 4K, but good enough to compete. We will see.
I'd bet the NX will probably be powered like an Xbox One or PS4 but feature 4K compatibility.
It won't match teraflops of Xbox Scorpio but that shouldn't prevent it from getting 3rd party ports.
Yay, more gimmicks.
I try to read every announcement about the NX with optimism, but I wind up just groaning. The signs look bad.
The Wii was way below par compared to the opposition. It was basically Gamecube hardware, yet it somehow was succesful.
On a personal note I didn't like the Wii. It had a huge game library, but let's be honest: Most of them were shovelware. The games were much better on Gamecube.
I don't feel I've gotten my money's worth out of the Wii U. I bought it early and still only a very small handful of decent games and a very short life and now Nintendo is abandoning it early. I'm sorry, but I won't be buying an NX no matter how good it is, because it would be throwing away money at a company that doesn't care about those who committed to them.
I have this dream that Nintendo is just gonna blow our minds with NX then again past few console cycles since the GameCube, I've found myself disappointed with what they've shown. I'm still holding out though for then to make it right with me and smash my expectations
I have nothing to claim for or against NX at this time. In a manner of speaking, technically the Wii U brought power, albeit split power. I would just like it to be "requested and necessary" amount, "then" give me the gimmick/hook. If Nintendo does that, I believe they'll be just fine. Standards first, then the hook.
Doesn't just "follow advancements in technology".
Sounds like he is saying the NX won't be able to compete at all with Sony or Microsoft. Sad.
I think it's going to be centered around playing cards and board games.
"Asymmetric Gameplay" was a core idea, too.
@mariovslink62 "To be honest, we should assume that the NX is an underpowered console based off of Miyamoto's quote."
No, actually the polar opposite of that. Same goes for you, @bezerker99. You're misinterpreting/misusing the quote by either not noting or purposely ignoring the part where he clearly state doesn't JUST follow advancements in technology.
If you translate that to "is weaker/can't compete" then you're wrong. It is way more likely that it has to be translated as: "not only is it going to compete on power, we also want to bring something new", so its an AND/AND citation, not an IF/OR one.
A prime example of comprehensive reading if ever there was one...
I'm actually beginning to love the way Nintendo is handling the NX, trickling out enigmatic statements every few weeks. The lack of leaks is oddly heartening in these sieve-like times. Of course, if NX turns out to be rubbish it'll be for nothing, but right now I'm just enjoying the ride.
To re-translate what Miyamoto just says, he actually says the NX will bring more than just spec but also new ideas to games too like pretty much every consoles they brought out in the past. Had power is all they made to the system, it probably would had been out by now. Also his career is on the line everyday so he had to keep his mouth shut about any ideas Nintendo had behind close certain.
Sounds to me like they're heading in the same direction all over again. If you can't have comparable specs you will have no third party support...again....I've never seen such stubbornness and ignorance in a video game company ever. I hope I'm wrong here...
...I stopped caring for most 3rd parties, so whatever...I'm hoping it's not just a "Nintendo PS4" or something.
I think people are taking this comment too literally! All Miyamoto said is that the NX is taking a little longer to develop because they have some "unique concept" He never said anything about the specs!! He said "if it is just about" only!
Edit: However, I hope Nintendo doesn't get too confident with this "unique concept" and because of that, they will probably feel that it doesn't matter if it's under-powered again! Just like with the Wii U!
@Snow-Dust Because they've said many times, to make a console "up to par" would be too expensive, and they always made their console cheaper than the other guys. (can't remember before the Gamecube, I'm guessing the N64 was cheaper than the PS?) So they want their consoles to be less powered, but cheaper and innovative/fun. I don't think Nintendo will change that anytime soon, and I'm ok with that. If I want good graphics and power, I'll just get a damn PSWhatever^^
They really need a system with conventional controls that software can be easily ported to. That's been the problem for a while now. I do take this to mean they have an idea, not convinced it's the controller this time, though. Definitely not VR.
@ThanosReXXX Did I say should? Dang auto-correct. Meant to say shouldn't.
@mariovslink62 Typing from a smart device then?
In that case, sorry for incorrectly accusing you...
You might wanna edit that comment then, to correctly represent what you actually meant.
@SeaSalty the "up to par" issues are more recent with Wii and Wii U. N64 was actually more powerful processor but had balance issues (high quality but low capacity RAM, more expensive cartridge media).Gamecube was very much about correcting N64's design mistakes and was on par with XBox, but 3rd parties stayed with Sony and PS2. GameCube's sales problems are what really caused Wii and Wii U to happen.
Gimmick or not, I can't help but still be excited.
Sigh...I think people just like to read the article title and not the article itself...I took it as "it will be powerful, but it will be different from other systems..."
It needs to be as powerful as the Xbox Scorpio and the PlayStation 4 "Neo" or whatever. The NX can have a crazy weird GamePad controller all it wants, but it needs to be comparable on a technical level.
This could be an awesome console if it has high specs as having all the great 3rd party games plus Nintendo's fantastic exclusive titles would make it the best console. So probably needs to be at least PS4 specs or above but would still be slightly embarrassing for them if it is a less powerful console than the Xbox one Scorpio as a next gen Console (NX) being less powerful than a last gen console (Xbox One Scorpio) probably won't go down too well with the gaming Community.
This is the reason why I love Nintendo... the masters of innovative and unique video games
Hey guys, Nintendo's next investors meeting is tonight! We could get just a little bit more NX info from Nintendo! Remember Nintendo's last investors meeting, it was a NX bombshell! But tonight they could just give us the reveal date, or just give us the month were it's going to be revealed.
@wizzgamer How the hell is the Scorpio a last gen console? It isn't even out yet, and won't be for some time to come.
The Neo and Scorpio will not be receiving exclusive games that their lesser powered console version isn't getting. So I don't see a necessity for the NX to be as powerful as these mid-generation upgrades. But it should be 4K compatible at the least.
I definitely see what you mean. Thing is, what Miyamoto has said looked an awful lot what we call "putting the hands forward" in Italy - that is, damage control before the damage itself. All I know Nintendo needs to do is to stop doing gimmicks and focus on raw power instead, just for one generation, in order to catch up. It will all be downhill from there on. Once we have the power needed to start seeing exclusives and, you know, actual third-party support once again, of course, gimmicks galore!
@SPG "nowhere near" is a bit of an overstatement. It may not be as powerful as those (Neo, Scorpio) other two consoles, but we may be surprised at how it compares, considering that Nintendo can spend more on graphics specs with a cheaper cartridge bay in the NX.
@ThanosReXXX Thank you for saying that so I didn't have to. You'd think that a number of these commenters want to believe that the NX will be an underpowered gimmicky mess . They have a crooked outlook.
@AlexSora89 That sounds more like a "lost in translation" thing to me. Then again, that could also have happened when translating mr. Miyamoto from Japanese to English, but normally, they bring their own translators to interviews, much like they did at the E3, so nothing should be misconstrued, therefore I will take that comment literally, as in: "we're not only doing this, but we also want to offer that" instead of "we're not doing this, we're only offering that" which is what all the Negative Nancy's are once again going for.
And watch out for that completed patent on SCD's. Something's bound to happen there, methinks. I can't remember the last time a Nintendo patent was cleared for completion, so that has to mean something, methinks.
Yeah, a non-4k compatible NX wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. And I agree with a 60fps 1080p game being better than a 4K game running at 30fps. I'll take higher frame-rates over resolution any day.
I'm excited about the nx, but the more Nintendo says stuff about the NX, the more I'm nervous that the system won't be powerful, will have a dumb gimmick, and won't have the third party support again. Did Nintendo not learn anything from the Wii U?!?!
@ThanosReXXX I saw this article pop up in Twitter and I thought to myself this is going to be fun on Nintendolife as usual...
"Being negative is very easy, but for some reason Nintendo making something both up to par or better and still bringing something new to the video game market apparently seems to be an unfathomable idea for a lot of people, so therefore, the console must "surely" be weak and "gimmicky", while in reality, being powerful and bringing some new way to play isn't mutually exclusive: it can have both, so let's not wallow in despair just yet, okay?"
Best thing I've read in this comment section so far as I work my way down, sadly it's drowning in an ocean of knee-jerk reactions and people using the G-word as a swear word.
@Gerbwmu Spot on.
I guess I'm one of the few who wants both a gimmick AND a powerful system. Nintendo will still fail if they don't excite the masses in some way. It's like all you "gamers" fail to realize that if Nintendo ONLY makes a powerful system there is still no way they could compete with the others on a feature by feature basis. Remember GameCube? It was powerful but it didn't have anything else going for it.
In other words they most definitely should not stick to just a conventional controller. They are surely doomed that way.
Getting very tired of Miyamoto's novel input shenanigans. Just give me a console on-par with its competitors, a normal controller and decent third-party support.
Meanwhile, put His Quirky Majesty out to pasture; trot him out for shareholder meetings or industry shows to bask in the goodwill, and leave it at that.
Why do people view great innovations as gimmicks? Motion controls and the gamepad made video games awesome and immersive instead of the boring old 2 joystick button mashing gameplay. Nintendo is the only one still trying to further innovate gameplay. Everyone else is just saying "more power, more power, we need more power to make good games". Nintendo games have always been better than those hi-def games, and they aren't made on a super powerful machine. Developers are relying more on graphics to make their gameplay awesome instead of actual gameplay.
I'm all for any innovation, and if it is powerful, that's just frosting on the cake.
I mean, I'd rather play an actually good, playable game, then a 4k buggy, subpar game. Because frames per second has never been a measure of gameplay quality, as Nintendo has proved time and time again.
That's pretty dark. You mean like Iwata was put out to pasture? Ever stop to think that Miyamoto is still talented and full of great ideas? For one he came up with the Wii Remote and DS. He had very little to do with the phoned in gimmicks of 3DS and Wii U.
So when it comes to the mixed bag of quality games like Star Fox Zero, he was mainly given the hand he was dealt. He had to make the controller look appealing somehow.
@MrGuinea you get it. A lot of the commenters on here are pretty much just asking for a PS4. There's one already out there on the market.
We know something for sure, NX will use some sort of motion controller, Why I’m so sure about it? Just dance will release in NX, that game relies entirely in motion controllers, so NX will either have its own crazy controller (camera, who knows), or the Wii Remote will be compatible with the next console, ( I’m really curious as to why the entire vg press haven’t noticed that), so it might suggest that this crazy secret has something to do with motion, or... maybe not.
@brandonbwii No, I don't think it's dark in the least. Whatever he had to do with the past generation's success or failures, I'm becoming increasingly disinterested in or confident of Miyamoto's input. And I would have retired Satoru Iwata long before his sad passing, and trying to make that dicey statement just because he has since passed is sentimentalist rubbish.
Where Star Fox Zero is concerned, Miyamoto went on record numerous times saying that what prevented them from doing it earlier was that they didn't have a novel control scheme. Not a different story (given that it was the same story as Star Fox and Star Fox 64) but a new way to control the game. One was invented, and we saw the results in the title's sales. The days of 'creativity' being its own virtue need to give way to reality again.
@Yorumi 9 months is a lot of time. For example Sony rushed out the six axis PS3 controller for as a half-assed attempt to try and steal some of the Wii's motion control thunder.
So it's no surprise Nintendo is being secretive about the NX. Especially if their idea, whatever it is, is really good they wouldn't want it undermined which could easily happen when one of the competition already has an already very successful product on the market.
Cue freakouts about "gimmicks."
Nintendo will not release a console as powerful as the next things from MS and Sony, which should be a surprise to precisely no one. However, I suspect it will significantly undercut those consoles on price. In the end, I think the price of the Wii U was a little too high to accommodate the complex controller, and they were too loathe to reduce that price when the system struggled. If they get the base model price to $300 for the next one and it has the new Zelda, it will be off to a good start.
I want two things - to be able to play DS games on my Wii U (not going to happen), and a new Nintendo console with a ton of available games. I'll likely get the NX for the exclusives, but it'd be nice to have options.
Oh, and Gamecube games on the VC, THREE, three things! DS games, ton of available games on the NX, Gamecube games on the VC, and some deviled eggs FOUR, four things...!
Agreed. If anyone claims they're a Nintendo fan then they shouldn't be requesting they mirror the arms race strategies of the competition. Nintendo consoles should always have an interesting hook.
@RantingThespian ha, lol Thank you for the laugh. I want one of those!
No one truly knows what's coming or what to expect. All we can do right now is sit back and enjoy the previews, and lack of info, before the main event starts.
If the Wii was as powerful as an Xbox 360, it would have totally dominated by appealing to everyone. I think the NX is going to have a really cool concept AND be as powerful(ish) as current consoles. The NEO and Scorpio are to embrace VR, if the NX is not going there, then it doesn't need to be as powerful.
I believe that in itself was PR bull on Miyamoto's part. Also the problem was more the lack of innovation in general than the awful control scheme for me. The controls actually would have been better with Wii Remote and Nunchuck.
If you feel Miyamoto should retire than say he should retire. Out to pasture is a term I generally relate to death. It's a nice way of saying "let him die." I guess, like Iwata he should join the big game workshop in the sky, eh?
There's also plenty of things he's done recently that have been for the better. He told Tecmo/Koei to not make a Zelda game and instead make a warriors game. This kept Hyrule Warriors from becoming another Other M scenario. He also encouraged Aonuma to eliminate handholding for the new Zelda and assembled a team to put together Splatoon. So why does he need to be put out to pasture again?
Ok, there's been this ongoing false misconception about Star Fox Zero's sales that naysayers cling to and report as fact so allow me to clarify for those who want to read facts.
Fact #1: Star Fox Zero had the lowest sales opening of the series.... in Japan (which isn't really news because of the Wii U is Nintendo's worst selling home console and it sells the worst in Japan anyway).
Fact #2: Star Fox Zero made NPD's best sellers list in April.
Fact #3: Star Fox Zero also topped Amazon's best sellers list a week before it was even released.
So please, stop fabricating sales data just because you don't agree with a game's design or controls.
Wii Remote and Nunchuck could work as a control scheme for Zero because you could always switch viewpoints with the minus button. But you wouldn't have the added convenience that the Gamepad provides with a 2nd screen so I don't agree the Wii Remote/Nunchuck combo would've been a better control scheme (but at least better than a Pro controller).
Well there seems to be some positive news. Nintendo are advertising for a software engineer. Hopefully this might give the NX a decent start.
@WiltonRoots Well thank you very much. Sadly enough it sometimes feels useless to type something thoughtful or positive since even though several people have now brought up how Miyamoto's comment should actually be read, people still nag and moan about it with their own delusional idea of what it must surely mean.
Probably also because a lot of them don't even bother to read the comments that came before theirs, but jump straight to making their own after getting infuriated or at the very least annoyed by the article.
Hence all the negative Nancy's despite some level-headed people. Well, I guess with this being the internet and all, we should at least be happy that there are still some of these people to be found. Makes it a bit more palatable to hang around in the midst of all the woe is me and f*** Nintendo comments...
@Laki2 Incorrect. Besides the fact that Just Dance is released on just about any platform you can think of, you can also play it without motion controls by using a smart phone or tablet, so motion controls is definitely NOT a given.
And it wouldn't be something new and special either, so that's not it. Thinking out of the box is hard, which is why so few people are successful at it...
First of all, he never said the NX wouldn't be as powerful as other consoles.
Secondly, did anyone REALLY expect it to be?? Less power means less cost as far as Nintendo is concerned, and they have to do everything they can to keep their family-friendly image.
Don't try to pin the Wii U's failure on graphics. The Wii and 3DS (and maybe the DS) frankly look awful, but they dominated their respective markets.
lol, Nintendo. Last time we sprang for the whole 'secretive genius' act. This time around we know that when you're not saying much - it's simply because you don't have much to say. Talk is cheap and none is cheaper than that of a Nintendo exec. They'll say anything to tide people over until the next shareholder meeting. Remember the big thing about 'QOL'? lol.
Put up or shut up nintendo.
@xboxfanuk Hardware innovation is just as important as.
"Ok, there's been this ongoing false misconception about Star Fox Zero's sales that naysayers cling to and report as fact so allow me to clarify for those who want to read facts.
Fact #1: Star Fox Zero had the lowest sales opening of the series.... in Japan (which isn't really news because of the Wii U is Nintendo's worst selling home console and it sells the worst in Japan anyway).
Fact #2: Star Fox Zero made NPD's best sellers list in April.
Fact #3: Star Fox Zero also topped Amazon's best sellers list a week before it was even released.
So please, stop fabricating sales data just because you don't agree with a game's design or controls."
Do you have numbers for it that top the 300k units that I see as of today? 'Cause if you have them, I'd love to see them.
Sorry buddy, but noone's going to have those sales but Nintendo. You'll have to go ask them. I take it you got your sales data from VGchartz.com, perhaps? If that's the truth then you're telling me your earlier comment was based on one measly site's data (if that, which I doubt btw). But, I remember seeing that figure in Vgchartz in the beginning of May. Not surprised it hasn't been updated.
Unfortunately, that site never shows the whole picture since they usually only report sales data based on the first month or 2 for most games. Also, these totals rarely (if ever) include digital sales. So we'll really never know the total unless Nintendo decides to share that info.
But the point is there are no definitive reports available stating it was a sales flop... just the article talking about Japan. Since then, naysayers cling to that just to denounce the game's controls, which is dishonest. Not liking a game is one thing, but not wanting it to sell? Come on, we're better that.
@ThanosReXXX Upon reading this news I've become more curious as to what it is. I think without innovation or new ideas, whether they take off or not, this industry would become even more stale than it already is.
@Shepdawg1 when a cheap PC runs games smoother than an expensive console and games on PC are far cheaper and moddable as well as having better graphics and framerates, why bother with a console if it doesn't do something different?
I regret my Xbox One, it has the worst OS I have come across, apps and games crash all the time and sometimes fail to load and the GUI is rubbish. Windows 10, Visa and 3.1 are all superior, and Windows 10 will now cross play many Xbox One exclusives, making consoles that are merely PC-lite even more obselete.
I'm not really terribly worried about gimmicks or power at the moment. What worries me more is the way some at Nintendo talk about making games only when they have an input method they like (F-Zero). Video games have evolved as a type of entertainment where storytelling and setting a scene/tone really do matter. Splatoon nailed that from a tone perspective, but I feel like Nintendo is forgetting about telling a story or creating a world with some of their games. It's not all down to inputs.
@GoomyLife The Gamecube was the most powerful of its generation, but the PS2 smashed it.
Every time they say something really cryptic about the NX like this, I just get more worried and excited at the same time. I'm just hoping for the best.
Well it BETTER have a core idea that isn't just about advancement in technology.
Simply upping the power isn't an idea at all.
This is it people...
SMELL-O-VISION IS HERE
I'm all for new gimmicks, but this time around Nintendo will need to prove they can also compete in hardware power. Does power matter to me? Not a chance. Does it matter when it comes to third-party support? Sadly, yes, yes it does. I really want the NX to succeed - no, "succeed" is putting it mildly, I want it to kick some
Nintendo NX Has A Core Idea Which Doesn't Just "Follow Advancements In Technology"
@AlexSora89 I wasn't really talking about gimmicks (hate that word anyways) but about the console being different not excluding that it could still be perfectly able to hold its own against the other two, because that is what I read from Miyamoto's statement and that is also how I truly believe his statement SHOULD be read, and definitely not like: "meh, yet another assurance that it is going to be weak and gimmicky..."
@VanillaLake Put the emphasis on the "not just" part, reread it and interpret it in the right way, and you will be just fine...
No reason to panic, fear or moan just yet...
I really enjoy my wii u and if it had more 3rd party support I would probably own less x1 games and more wii u games.
Look at the 3ds compared to the vita, you have one underpowered system then one which just has numerous ports of console experiences with few rare gems. Underpowered 3ds may be , however it's library of amazing games is outstanding.
So let's hope see same in console world. Keep eshop though , great indie games.
Probably not a lot on here, but nx version of Lost reavers with characters carried over.
A fresh perspective?
The NX really only needs to be on par with the original XBO in order to receive 3rd party ports, as they'll have to make that the entry point for any game.
I've no idea what the revolutionary concept will be, but I'm sure it'll be just as amazing as the Wii remote and Wii U GamePad were.
@ThanosReXXX Get your facts right... Just Dance in mobile does use gyro, it actually requires you to have a smart TV and a cell phone. Motion control will be in NX in some sort of way, Wii Remote compatibility, mobile integration, new controller, I have no freaking clue.
I just pointed out something, I did not say that motion was the new gimmick, it might have something to do with it, or maybe not. With all the patents Nintendo has registered lately it might be some sort of laser beam that goes right into your skull every time you die in a game, or maybe NX will make pancakes every time you gain a life, I truly don’t know, and to be honest I couldn’t care less until official information comes out, again, I just pointed out something that everybody ignored, something important that could mean a lot of things, like a Wii VC ready by launch, or a... ... ... Cooking Mama sequel, who knows.
Really ? Well, i hope it will be a good news.
Here we go again
Hey guys, we have no idea what's going on but we don't want to admit it! And no, I'm not pretending I'm Nintendo right now, I'm speaking literally. Fans have no idea what NX is and I'm okay with that for now.
Don't compare Nintendo with Microsoft. It looks like comparing Japanese with Western. Most Japanese gamer will not care western games and vice versa. Just let Nintendo working by their decision. One thing, Nintendo is Japanese product so 3rd party developer from Japan mostly give contribution for Nintendo. Don't treat Nintendo must do and act like Western people.
@Laki2 First off, decent way to address a person, NOT.
I've always learned that a little politeness goes a long way, especially when you either do not know a person or if he is probably considerably older than you.
And secondly, you misread me, since although I was partially incorrect about smart phones, since obviously these do offer types of motion control, my main point was that it wasn't a given that the NX is going to use motion controls as a standard, just because there is going to be a Just Dance game on it, a game which is published on almost anything with a cpu in it, so that also isn't very telling either way.
So, specifically I'm saying that the NX is not going to be Wii U 2, but motion controls might be incorporated by means of them implementing smart devices in some way, as mentioned in the video I posted in comment #217.
So you kinda misinterpreted my intention there, but I guess that comes with the territory these days, especially on the internet...
@Kokusho If it were really that simple, then the PS4 wouldn't still be going for upwards of $300.
Expecting the NX to be even more powerful than the PS4 while maintaining a low enough price point to be attractive, is literally a bigger pipe dream than even Mario is capable of having, IMO.
this is interesting im still excited too see what the NX is though
That sentence sounds ominous in it simultaneously suggests the NX isn't going to be powerful hardware wise and will revolve around a gimmick again.
However it in no way explains why Nintendo hasn't released any information in the NX.
I am cautiously optimistic about the NX. Mainly because I found the Wii U to be a good console in the long run but it was plagued by so many issues and I desperately want the NX to avoid falling into the same traps. I'm really just bidding my time for the reveal and that's it. I'm not going to make any premature judgements based on rumors or vague statements from Nintendo officials. I'm just anticipating the announcement.
If NX isn't AT LEAST more powerful than ps4, it will go much the same way Wii U has in terms of sales. Im willing to bet money on that.
@Kokusho To be fair that is literally all we heard developers "say" about the wii u when that was in development...
Give me the good games Nintendo and I'll be happy. I bet the special feature is the new console has feelings. Code name: NintendEMO
I only use the word "gimmicks" when they're the only thing that makes the console stand out. They become "unique features" once again when they make an already competitive console distinctively unique. Of course, my hope is always placed on the latter case.
By the way, I apologise for the inconstintency of my replies, but I happen to be on a vacation with my folks.
@AlexSora89 No need to apologize, I'll see your replies whenever you're ready to give 'em. As you know I'm used to @rjejr, so waiting for a reply is no biggie for me...
I would want to add that although I like the term "unique features" I was more going for industry standards, since nearly every "gimmick" that Nintendo has ever invented, has become an industry standard.
Of late, they are not that leading anymore, although motion controls did have their influence, but they may very well be on to something again. I do hope the NX has both the power and some unique features, though...
Have a great vacation. I'll catch you more frequently when you get back, battery all charged up and ready to make some new songs...
@smashbrolink Not saying that this is the hardware that's in the NX, but if they would use Polaris or something Polaris-like, then good specs for a decent price point is easily possible, so I think your conclusion is a bit premature. And remember: most of us think in consumer prices, but buying in bulk quantities for purchasing price will do wonders to lower the amount of that price per unit.
For example: a gfx card that will cost you around $200, has a purchasing price of $120 if bought in boxes of a hundred. Make that a thousand or more, and the price drops to $80-$90 per unit, so that is all they would have to pay.
And that is literally the most expensive part of the whole console, so I think it is quite achievable to get a decent console that is on par or better than PS4, even at relatively low costs. Consumer price range will then probably be anywhere between $299 - $399. And if it is a good console with great software, then people will pay that.
@DarkKirby You're a bit late to the game and Miyamoto's statement doesn't say what you think it does, like not AT ALL. Not even close.
He clearly says that for them, it is not JUST about the hardware, but ALSO about offering some unique experience.
So it is about the NX having both. It will have capable hardware, but they don't want to be HD game Box nr. 3, so they want something to differentiate them from the other two, and rightfully so, if you ask me.
@Marshi Difference is that they weren't anywhere near as positive, except for the ridiculous hyperbole that EA used, with their claim of "unprecedented support". And obviously they're a publisher, not a developer.
Back then, a lot of developers were actually quite negative about the Wii U and now those same developers are reportedly almost lyrical about the NX.
The people at Rockstar made a genuinely positive comment, in stark contrast with their stance back then, where they made no positive mention other than "we will wait and see what it does".
And even though the positive comments from CD Projekt Red have been partially misinterpreted, the man who made them has later explained on Twitter that he does feel like it's very capable hardware and that Nintendo will do great this time.
Someone on NeoGAF also found that Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided and For Honor have suddenly listed cartridges as media as well.
It may be just a standard notification, but it is odd that they have never done so before until now, right after the rumor about NX using cartridges pops up once again.
If all this is true and these games can be played from cartridges, then in all honesty I'm expecting NX to be quite a capable piece of hardware.
@ThanosReXXX Heres hoping. I guess time will tell. One thing is for certain though, this HAS to impress the public or it really will use the unlikable term of "going the way Wii U did".
@Marshi True. I'll refrain from jumping up and down in mad glee for now, but I will stay cautiously optimistic based upon all I've seen and read, also taking into account that it is confirmed that Zelda will look better on NX, and that game is already beautiful, so that is also kind of a positive thing.
@ThanosReXXX You act like a Nintendo cop but I bought a New 3DS and Wii U so I will complain as much as I want! Stop the chase already! Allow me to express myself!
@SPG but the xbox 1 s has been announced already so yeah...
idk about the ps4k neo yet
@VanillaLake Never intended as such, but I'm just so tired of all the negativity and misinterpretation. Negativity to a point if you truly have some gripes, so I can still understand that, but people reading into statements and spinning their own tale I cannot.
And I try to express that in the kindest of ways, so there is never any malice intended, although I won't blame anyone thinking that there is, since the internet is unfortunately overcrowded with aggressive speaking individuals.
And perhaps needless to say, but all of the above is me speaking in general, not directed at you personally.
@VanillaLake P.S. I would hope that somewhere in the near future you would actually be able to find no reason to "complain as much as you want" about something that you yourself chose to buy, be that a game console or a hedge trimmer.
So here's hoping that the NX is going to be a big success, aye?
@ThanosReXXX The problem is that I am a critical (although friendly) person and that I am proud of that, so having you always condemning my opinions is frustrating, because you are always negative about anybody that is critical and that's pointless. Being critical it's not bad and it could help Nintendo in becoming a better company, for sure. That's not a bad thing at all. If you already know that I am not a troll (and you know it) and I like and buy Nintendo consoles and games, just let me express myself freely. I am kind and friendly (just Nintendo is not my friend, that's it). You asked me what's the difference between @JaxonH and you, and my answer is that JaxonH always respects my opinion and never pretend that he's right and I'm wrong. So that's probably why I like him (answering your question).
Regarding your last question, I enjoy the games that I like very much. Check my comments about Maiden of Black Water, Yoshi's Woolly World, Tropical Freeze, Pikmin 3, Fire Emblem Awakening and find out yourself! I will be merciless when talking about New Super Mario Bros. 2 though, as it's the biggest rubbish I've ever bought (I want my €45 back!).
Just let me be and be myself because I don't think I'll ever change. Even Thomas Whitehead (who makes a living of praising Nintendo stuff) is critical and you all love him!! Unfair!!
PS: Remember, I'm a gamer, not a stockholder.
Hey guys, don't mean to intrude, but I wanted to share my pov on this- maybe something that can help you guys understand each other a little.
You both know I'm not big on complaining. I generally prefer to just enjoy myself and brush aside the rest. But something I've learned is, not everyone thinks like me. So I try not to be bothered if someone sees the glass half full or regularly voices complaints.
This is, of course, provided the person isn't intentionally doing it to troll or rile people up or portray a company in as negative a light as possible. I can think of a few members on this site like that but VanillaLake isn't one of them.
And likewise, there are a lot of people blindly defending who can't take criticism, but I don't think ThanosReXXX is one of them. I think sometimes there can be genuine misunderstanding of others and their intentions.
What helps me is knowing that I'm not going to change a person's pov. I've learned that the hard way. So as long as I know a person doesn't mean ill, I find it's easier to just chalk it up to "I disagree, I can't understand this complaint, but that's ok.".
Now if it's a person I think is trolling, or bombards complaints out of spite or disdain, then I will usually say something. But, I've been a poor judge of character in the past so I try to wait for a while now and see if it's just a here and there thing, or a constantly, all the time thing.
@VanillaLake First off, you'll have to excuse me, but the JaxonH thing must be from another topic, since I can't remember that one.
And to reiterate: I honestly wasn't targeting you, so it is nothing personal and I'm certainly not condemning your opinion. I suppose that maybe it's an age thing then, or at least partially, since I just can't wrap my head around people that will always have something to say, opinion or not. And sure, being critical is not a bad thing in and of itself, but always being critical, which simply borders on having a negative mindset, definitely is.
It boggles my mind that even if a person is happy with a product or service, that he or she still "needs" to be critical of it. Just be happy and satisfied if the product delivers and enjoy it. It all sounds so much like "well you know, it's good this time, but what if something bad happens? So let's stay wary regardless".
And in these cases, I'm talking about stuff that is actually there, unlike the NX, of which hardly anything is known, so
1. What the hell is there to be critical/negative about?
2. A lot of people are truly misreading what Miyamoto said. That has nothing to do with opinions, that has to do with comprehensive reading. It just doesn't say that the hardware is going to be weak or gimmicky. So basing one's points or potential issues on that incorrect perspective is odd, to say the least.
That does NOT however, mean that I don't respect people's opinions or don't let them be themselves, I'm a VERY social person, and I always speak from a mindset of kindness but also level-headedness, ask anyone that I frequently talk to on NLife and they will surely agree, or so I hope...
So, going from that point of view, misinterpreting quotes or statements and running with them simply doesn't compute in my head, since people will then be all disappointed or angry for no reason whatsoever.
And why would you even want to do that to yourself? It makes zero sense...
Hope that makes some kind of sense to you, and if not, then we'll just agree to disagree and not speak of it again.
Can't promise there won't be any reaction in the future, though, since this is a comment section after all, and although I'm not specifically singling persons out, I'm certainly also not going to avoid anyone. But I'll try to treat you a bit milder...
@JaxonH Thanks for that, but me and @VanillaLake aren't at war or anything, just a slight difference of opinions, is all.
But much appreciated either way.
@ThanosReXXX I only replied to you because you were quoting me for saying "Start trembling" regarding Nintendo's crazy ideas about the future. That's why I take it personally. I'm not paranoid. You quote me every time I am critical.
Again, I don't agree with you because you are judging other people's personalities when you should not. You don't have to agree with me, but you should let me be the way I am and don't insist on other people's attitudes when they are being absolutely respectful. Definitely, it's not a bad thing being always critical when talking about something as trivial as an entertainment industry. We are not talking about people's feelings or human rights on Nintendo Life. Being critical with Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft is not a tragedy.
@JaxonH Thank you for your comment, it makes perfect sense and I'm going to quote you to end this conversation:
"But something I've learned is, not everyone thinks like me. So I try not to be bothered if someone sees the glass half full or regularly voices complaints."
PS: The purpose of a comments section is to make comments, not to condemn other people's comments.
@VanillaLake Well, all I can say to that is, hand on heart: I'm NOT condemning you, not judging and not singling you out, like I already said.
I'm sorry you feel that I do, because that is never my intention of responding to someone's comment.
And I suppose you also read what Jaxon said about me, and he is right.
But in the interest of keeping the peace, I'll refrain from commenting on anything you say from now on, even if I don't agree. Gonna be a tough nut to crack knowing myself and how passionately I can sometimes respond to people, though but I'll give it my best shot...
(might do a bit of head shaking and so on, but I won't type that in the comments section)
I'll be back this saturday, if it helps.
Yep, I want Nintendo to become once again the "beacon" Phil Spencer said they are. They're innovating in several new areas, but have otherwise been playing catch-up in all other aspects for a while now. Which is a shame.
Again, I could quote the classic Gamercat strip:
Sure, exclusives are the main draw when it comes to buying a new console, but as of now "we have Mario and Zelda", by itself, doesn't suffice anymore. I wish it would, but it really doesn't. Which - mandatory repetition - is a shame. And the Wii U proved this sad truth, so far. I'm satisfied with it, of course, but I'm the guy who didn't feel any need to play HD games in the Wii era, and preferred familiar IPs over raw power. That's the way gamers should be supposed to get their priorities in check, but the industry works the opposite way. When a developer makes a game, nowadays, they make it with the Xbox One, the PlayStation4, and, heck, even the PC, in mind. No third-party game takes the Wii U's limitations into account anymore as of late, and if the Wii even got a downgraded port of the first Dead Rising game (a Capcom exclusive for the Xbox 360, mind you), the reason - let's face it - was because the Wii sold like hotcakes; and even then, there were several franchises like Assassin's Creed we missed out on because hardware power still played a vital part in that.
Given my critique, am I perhaps saying I'd trade in my Super Mario Galaxy playtime for some more third-party titles? Not a chance! But I wish future players could get an NX and have the option to play several games without the need of another console with a wider library and then discover the wonders of the various Nintendo IPs, rather than the other way around.
@AlexSora89 Well, scroll down to comment nr. #73 and see what I did there, and what appeared almost simultaneously on YouTube...
Or simply click this link:
Seems your comic strip actually says the opposite of what you are saying in your comment, so it's not really supporting your case unless you are using it as an example of what used to count...
''just a matter of following advancements in technology, things would be coming out a lot quicker''
He doesnt say it will be less powerful or more powerfull in strength, so all the comments on whining about strengt are pointless, until Nintendo reveals what the Console will be like, so just wait until the Big REVEAL.
I think it will be on par. But we will wait and see soon.
Yep, it's an example of what used to count. I'm painfully aware of how, well, niche it is when I say that "buying hardware because of first-party software only works on a Mario/Zelda/Smash Bros.-lover like me", and how I'm one of very few ("few" sales-wise, that is) people who bought a Wii U for that.
"If you want to play Nintendo software, you buy Nintendo hardware", said the late Satoru Iwata. However, if you happen to be an Assassin's Creed, Call Of Duty, Final Fantasy or whatever-else fan, you'll need other consoles, plain and simple.
I wish the HD Kingdom Hearts games came out on Wii U. Or a mainline Final Fantasy game, for that matter. But sadly, numbered Final Fantasy games stopped coming out on Nintendo consoles since the sixth one.
I hope, I really, really hope the NX will turn this situation on its head, but I know how unlikely this will be.
@ThanosReXXX I agree but as it's just an upgraded Xbox One and plays the same games it's still classed as being in the same generation. Where as the NX will be a totally different platform so classed as next gen it's stupid the way it's worked out I know but it's just the way it is.
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