Western Localisation Of Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Features Costume And Age Changes

Here we go again! I'm glad they made the sensible decision of increasing some of the characters ages but I'm also sick of all this censorship as well. We're not allowed to look at bikinis for fear it'll warp our fragile little minds. Are we even allowed to see their ankles or is that too provocative?

Would a teen rating instead of a 12 rating solve these censorship issues? These stories generate negative publicity and don't do the game any favours. And of course there's going to be comments here saying anybody who bemoans the censorship are whingers or perverts. Well they're not, they have legitimate points.

"The leader is good, the leader is great. I surrender my will as of this date."

Oh boy, here we go again.

I'll still be buying it but I just hope Atlus does a better job in explaining it. I mean they did for Dungeon Travellers 2.

Let the whining commence. I miss when people would discuss plot and gameplay and not how much skin they can or can not see.

As long as there are no significant changes to the overall story I don't really care, I mean it is just cosmetics change and doesn't really change the whole game ;^^.

Either way I am curious about Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE and hopefully I will like the game :+).

oh god, this again.
im getting tired of people missing out on these titles because they don't like it when they can't see anyone in the panties/underwear. who gives a hoot? as long as the gameplay is good and has not edited out anything more impotent from Gameplay Wise, then the game is fine. i know though i'm not a person who well change people's mind, but still.
hell, if you think this is bad, you should see what Japan change for GTAV ()

Could we get some clarification on this regarding the ages of all affected characters? Like, I might understand if that poster model was 15 or 16, but if there's no actual age associated... I mean, I don't care about the changes, but it would be a little strange to change that.

@MysteryAozz It's far from over, remember that FE Fates isn't out in Europe yet so the debate could reappear yet again if there's any differences between the EU and NA versions.

Why have Nintendo slipped back into the nineties?! They were making such good progress.

I don't understand the point of increasing the character's ages if they are just going to make changes to the costumes anyway. Doesn't that defy the point of making the age change in the first place?

I'm not a fan of most instances of censorship, and I'm disappointed to hear that there have been changes to a dungeon. I'm hoping that we also don't end up missing out on additional content, even if it is DLC rather than as part of the main game.

Ultimately though, this doesn't change my decision to purchase Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE. It still remains my most anticipated game of the year, and I look forward to having a lengthy turn based RPG to play on my Wii U. I'm just disappointed to hear this game is also being effected by censorship, a negative spot amongst mostly positive hopes for the game.

"Features"...what an odd word to use. Implying that these are features.

Not that this bothers me. I'm not getting the game anyway. And even if I was they still wouldn't bother me. Well, aside from missing out on DLC...

Welp, this is exactly what we all needed. More pointless things for the internet to rage about.
Amount of change this has made about my hype level for the game: 0%

An interesting set of localizations, seeing as other parts of the game have some... interesting design choices. I mean, people that want to avoid nudity/promiscuity in games will already avoid this title. Well, I support the decision, and trust that Atlus knows what they're doing.

Ok...its getting a little ridiculous.
And Nintendo hiding behind Atlus while they themselves wanted those changes made...

It's nice knowing children all over the world won't be corrupted by sexuality. Daddy Nintendo is looking out for us and protecting us like an overzealous father.

Anyone else notice that the current absurd levels of censorship in Nintendo games only seemed to start happening just after Iwata passed away?

They can cover up anything they want and I'll still think its pointless but when you remove story content I get upset. So no hot springs dlc but in twilight princess HD I swear those little people/birds have their boobs out.

@CapricornDavid I'm still buying the game day one but knowing that story dlc was removed will always be in the back of my head. At least I can watch it on YouTube I suppose.

@SouthpawGrammar so you feel high and mighty calling people who want the game in their original firm 'pervs'? The censorship was done for immature people like you who can't handle that other people have different tastes than you. You are the one being protected from this because you can't make decisions on your own, you need approval from mommy or daddy before making a choice for yourself. Its going to be a big shock once you're on your own.

@RainbowGazelle I remember the snes mortal kombat issue. I thought they learned their lesson there. I suppose Nintendo believes only children play their systems, the no adult buys it for themselves to enjoy. They are wrong, can't wait to buy an nx day one!

What's so bad about swimwear and bikinis? Will kids' brains explode when they see characters dressed in them? I don't get it, it's not like they're naked, of having sex, or you can fondle them like in FE Fates, right?

@GN004Nadleeh I'm glad you're looking forward to NX. I'm not buying one, for various reasons.

I can see the butthurts already

@GN004Nadleeh The Hot Springs DLC contains story stuff? Or are you talking about something else? I haven't really been following anything about this game so as to still be surprised by it when it actually releases.

I must say I do think this is getting a bit silly. I don't care whether I see anime characters in bikinis or not but if that is what is in the game I don't see why it should be removed. We can handle it. Also you can see people wearing bikinis and swimwear on any family friendly beach around the world.

The only way I see this as being acceptable is if they are doing this to keep it below a certain age rating in the west (assuming we have a harsher system than in Japan) to keep this open to as many people as possible. I would understand then.

Censorship always reminds me of Mortal Kombat for the SNES in the 90's. The lack of blood was the one thing my Mega Drive owning friends could tease me about! In hindsight it was a pretty pants game whichever system you played it on!

I just want the game as it was meant to be played. Games shouldn't be changed based upon regions, it doesn't make sense to me. If you can turn on Tv and see a girl in a swimsuit you should be able to play a game with a girl in a swimsuit.

@BensonUii I play video games for myself, I enjoy it as much now as I did when I was a child with my NES. My decisions are never based on popular opinion or on impressing anyone watching me play, I'm simply not that weak.

I wish these sorts of news stories would stop being reported by the media. It riles those types of people up, and the people that aren't bothered, don't care. So what purpose are we serving here?

@SouthpawGrammar you did open your original comment with petty name calling proving you had no valid argument. They characters are now 18, they don't need your protection or anyone else's as they are not real. Yukari in p3 was 16-17 and she wore a bikini, kanji wore nothing but a leaf and was only 15. Where was your outrage then?

Looking at the footage, those characteres could have been anywhere in their late teens/early 20s (hard to judge really). So, if they look that way, and the age has been set to 18, what is the issue with swim suits? Oo
I don't really care about a hot springs DLC, not a fan of fanservice, so to speak, by it still seems - once more, sadly - a weird change to made.

Personally, I don't care much for seeing images of oversexualised anime 'kids', but that does not sound like any kind of oversexualisation, nor are we talking about kids, are we? When it comes to such arbitrary changes, maybe developers/publisher should try to preserve the original as much as possible, instead of going out of their way to trim anything that could be seen as inappropriate by someone, somewhere, someday.

Again though, that is not dealbreaker in any way, just ... weird.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE na na na na na na, leader!

Is this going to be a good game? I like SMT a lot, but I dunno... looks like it might be a waste of time

Why is it always the female characters that get covered up? Not that I think either gender should be, but it just proves there's an agenda against male sexuality.

How the hell did Nintendo get Bayonetta 2 uncensored?

Please, no sky knights...

@CB85 the most immature minds apparently can't handle it I suppose.

Just throwing around swear words and nude images doesn't make one mature, it is being aware of how and when those things are appropriate in the culture of the society one is in and acting accordingly. Like it or not, the United States is still a very conservative country with puritanical roots and while that appears to be changing it is still the reality we live in.

Japan, on the other hand, has different rules of what is acceptable in polite society. For example, we would riot if we discovered our kids had to actually clean the school they attend themselves, while in Japan it is expected (as there is no janitorial staff).

EDIT: So if a Japanese game shows a bunch of kids staying after school scrubbing down everything, how exactly do you translate that situation into an American society where that is considered punishment and cruel? Do you leave it alone and have a situation that has no context for the new society playing it, or do you change the text to make the actions fit with what we would expect?

@MetalKingShield I was thinking the same thing. In fatal frame you can tell the camera was forced up when the girls crawl but when you are the guy you can stare at his butt all you want! The outrage!

@NewAdvent oh, i forgot all content has to be approved by the mainstream media and lawyers, silly me for thinking for myself. I must have forgotten all is created to please them.

This is just me though at least, but I am actually more curious about how many people that will start to recognize some Japanese words unconsciously than cosmetic changes ;^^.

I hope hope everyone here will enjoy the game though, regardless of the changes :+).

@Darknyht I love it when people make sense! Great job!

@Kimite I have been watching anime for many years and I pick up on some words. I'm happy to keep the original language and songs. When I watch anime I prefer sub's always.

@LADDLY Things get changed because they either:
A) Don't translate properly
B) Culturally, are seen differently
C) Values of said culture are different

Or usually, its some combination of the three. Just to use this articles changes it lists, the age bump is a perfect example of all three I listed playing out. Why the age bump? Because the characters are seen as sexual, in the west, we would prefer them to be adults then, however on some level our perception of them being dressed sexually is partially based on our cultural norms. This is because we in the West, do not have a comparative concept to "idols", and what may be seen as sexual in one culture, isn't entirely in the other.

Many people overlook these aspects when looking at changes when a game is coming west and like to treat every change as "censorship" when its far more complex then that.

@GN004Nadleeh I have also pick up Japanese words here and there, and I can definitely say that I can't complain during the Japanese Nintendo Directs and other similar cases :+).

I always prefer sub too for anime if I watch any ^^. (Haven't really watched a lot of Animes lately though).

I say this to everyone here, learning some Japanese unconsciously isn't really a bad thing and you get a lot of good perks really :+). (I personally can't complain I think).

Oy vey. Fire Emblem Awakening got its own hot springs DLC no problem. This is why we can't have nice things.

I agree with one of the above posters, it's curious that all this crap started when Iwata passed away. Atlus has never self-censored previously (aside from the whole Hitler thing in Persona 2, and that was way more justifiable), so it would not seem to be their idea. Persona Q reworked but retained all of its innuendo, after all.

What's next? Renaming swords to 'poking sticks'? Guns to 'happiness sappers'? No kissing on-screen?

I hope this doesn't mean SMTIVF's English version will get censored.

Does this change the gameplay what so ever?

No.

Does this stop a bunch of bad mainstream media publicity accusing Nintendo of being deviants?

Yes.

It's a good thing. Stop complaining.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE "We're not allowed to look at bikinis for fear it'll warp our fragile little minds."

Nope, you're not allowed to look at bikinis because social justice warriors would otherwise yell about "sexism", even though men are less clothed in the same game. Companies adapt their games to the culture and media pressure of each countries. Fight the social justice warriors, change your country's mentality, and then the games will release uncensored, like they do in the country of origin.

While the loss of some potential content is a shame i really don't give a damn about the other stuff.

I really hope that everyone who is tossing around the word "censorship" realizes the irony in that their offense and reaction to said "censorship" is a culturally based one while they are also calling on others corrupting said culture.

My biggest problem with the people whining, it is whining if you don't take any action with your grievance, are just sitting behind their keyboards and swearing to never but this game and that the localization kills the game and that Nintendo of America is evil. Do something constructive you feel so wronged then go to Nintendo's HQ and occupy the lobby and front entrance until they do what you think they should do.

Not this again

People need to loosen up, this isn't the 1800's any more. A bit of fleshy coloured light isn't going to warp our minds any more than they already are.

I do not mind this a lot, but I still do not understand, why then serves the ESRB and PEGI?, Are a joke now?, The game is rated with "T", ""not suitable for children"", and yet there is censorship, oh well...

Political correctness is one thing, goody-two-shoe-ness for goody-two-shoe-ness' sake is another. It's not like there's full frontal nudity or something like that. I think western audiences can deal with some of the stuff Atlus pulls off on a regular basis.

Eventually we'll be getting localisations in which all girls are wearing burqas so muslims don't get offended.

@Chiptek
What, and leave a woman's eyes uncovered? Do you realise how scandalous that sounds?

@shaneoh Actually: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa

@shaneoh BOOBIES!

"Fu**s given about the localisation changes of this game: 0."

Even though I'm fed up of this debate it's a much better article than pretty much every NX article.

Odd how we went from Bayonetta 2 to this kind of thing happening again.

@Radbot42 Iwata was alive...

We're too progressive to handle seeing bikinis. /sarcasm

Doesn't this take place in Japan? Isn't the age of consent 13. Besides, its not like kids are going to be playing this unless their parents just don't give a crap.

Nintendo really makes a fool out of themselves with all those censoring.

This is already a very niche title, and the people who want it just want the un-altered edition. Poor people, they need again to import. Will Nintendo never learn......?!

Welp. I guess this wouldn't be much of a Nintendo article if there was nothing to argue about...

@FX102A That game actually needed some stuff censored though. They still left most of it intact and talked to the game developers to make sure the censorship still fit as close as possible to their "artistic vision."

Thanks for thinking of the children Nintendo and Atlus. rolls eyes

Ughhhh... This makes me wonder... does Sony and Microsoft have to endure things like this?

Who is now in charge of NoA? Iwata was in charge of NoA before he passed away. Who is it now, because they must the one responsible for all this crap recently?

I do find it kind of strange that in video games we have censorship of this type but in pretty much every pop music video there is minimal clothing and twerking. You can see a real girl in a bikini but god forbid we see an animated girl in a bikini. I think it should be all or nothing in censorship rather than selective. i for one would be quite happy if all music videos had everyone fully clothed.

It's foolish to localize a game that is (very intentionally) deeply set in Japanese culture. It's a waste of time and resources, and is telling about who they are targeting for an audience.

None of the graphical changes are a big deal, although showing fully clothed models in the dungeons instead of bikinis can have an effect on the story. But none of them are necessary, so why bother?

Also, this explains why Nintendo made that statement recently about Atlus being responsible for localization. They knew this was coming out and wanted to avoid dealing with it.

I'm still calling that statement. It's hard to blame Atlus instead of Nintendo based on the long-standing history of both companies. (Atlus = very open about releasing content that might be considered odd or suggestive; Nintendo = very controlling with any projects they are involved in and very heavy-handed when it comes to deciding what content is appropriate for the perceived audience in different markets.)

Really pathetic changes. I normally don't care about this stuff but it's becoming a bit ridiculous now.

Again? I don't care about the game but this kind of censorship is always bad. People can decide for themselves what they want to purchase, put out the game you originally made or don't put it in to begin with.

So they took a fantastic idea like a crossover between Shin Megami Tensei and Fire Emblem and:
-Made a Persona-lite that has no way to romance characters like the Persona games
-Made it about the idol industry
-Bombed because it was too niche for even the niche audience
-Censored outfits because we- I mean western audiences totally hate stuff like sex and lewdness despite Game of Thrones and those weird kid pageants being popular and this is totally something the mainstream will be all over
-Kept the Japanese dub to be "true" to the original
-Redubbed some lines in said dub to be in line with the changed ages
-Completely changed the whole point of an entire dungeon that was supposed to be about how creepy a gravure photographer is
-Cancelled a DLC pack that had yet another dungeon
and didn't even bother translating what the characters are even saying during battle.
Did anyone think about what they were doing when this was getting made? At this point, I hope the NX is region free or I'll just buy a used one from GameStop and wait until CFW comes out. Nintendo needs to realize who is actually buying these games instead of letting the gender studies kiddies translate the games to pander to themselves.

I love it when a game like this gets censored, it riles everyone up and the comments are a good source of reading material. No real content got changed. The game is the exact same. Who cares that ages got bumped and skirts got longer. I highly doubt that it will be the deciding factor of a fight or not. Regardless though, people will still get mad and I get to read all the unhappy comments so I'm fine either way.

God, well this isn't anything new with Nintendo.

I think some people need to learn about the process of localization. Do you know what's scarier then mommy groups and those dreaded "Social Justice Warriors"? The Rating Board System. This may come as a shock to you, but you CANNOT physically sell a game in a country unless you go through this system. The Rating boards then tells a company what is and isn't culturey acceptable and if the company doesn't change it then the company cannot sell the physical or digital console versions of the game. Or worse yet they will bump up the age rating of the game and it may become unsellable to the target demographic. A M or AO rating can be a death sentence to certain types of games. So do you know what the company has to do to make sure their game can at the very least be sold in stores? Make Changes. These companies aren't trying to be your parents and tell you what you can and cannot do. They have to follow the rules like everyone else. Is it seen as censorship when Hitler or Nazi imagery is removed or changed in PAL versions? Shouldn't more people be upset because the rest of the world gets Hitler but Europe has to deal with the ferur and his aviator glasses? I don't see anyone complaining about the Nazi party being censored.

Look what might be ok in one country won't be in another. If anyone here really feels outrage then instead of complaining on Twitter or media comment section write to your country's rating board and show them how this effects you. You might not get a human response but it's better then complaining on a comment that is never going to be seen by them.

You know it's bad when Nintendo censors bathing suits...

@Zanark And daddy is forgeting that a lot of his "childrens" are adult people too . . . If you treat your son like a little baby forever, someday he, or she, will go out home forever... And that's becouse most of the +16 old gamers buy PlayStations and Don't want to buy WiiUs... I don't care the changes ok, becouse Nintendo's games are the best, but I feel really misstreated and angry becouse this is racism against Europe people. If I'm a +18 user, why I can't choose to play the original version of the game ?? For what they made that parental control ?? That can be optional, like the green blood in some N64 games in the past... If they trade me like a child... Well... I may become to a Sonyer while I'm living out of Japan even when I don't like PS games so much but at least, they don't discriminated me for my nationality or age... That's not about the censors, that's about the bad trade of Nintendo for the western clients ( specially Europeans ) for me. My money is so good that japaneses or sonyer's money...

Hooray! Another game I can cross off my "don't buy" list!

I love how all the people are defending this, saying that this type of censorship is nothing to cry about. For this most part, it is. However, what concerns many people about simple costume changes is what is the next unacceptable thing that needs. Well, for Nintendo, it's already taking the next steps, with DLC and sections of the main game being unavailable for western audiences and dialogue choices being removed (Bravely Second), all because we supposedly can't handle anything sexual, rather than just keep the age rating the game gets. Besides, Fire Emblem Awakening had Hot Springs DLC and still had a T/12+ rating!

And anyone who makes the excuse that Atlus is the one doing it, you just need to look at any game published by them without Nintendo's involvement. How much of it was censored or changed? Probably nowhere near as much as with Nintendo's involvement. The fact that Nintendo is hiding behind "Atlus was responsible for localisation" just highlights their cowardice and their puritanism. I haven't bought any game from Nintendo apart from the older Fire Emblem games that were on sale very recently. Before that, it's been months. Get your act together Nintendo, really getting sick of Nintendo deciding what I can and cannot handle.

@crazycrazydave Bravely Second was handled by Square and THEY CHOSE to CHANGE the dialogue choices because people complained about them.

I don't care about the changes in the slightest. I'll still be getting this game and I'll enjoy it as much as I would have without the changes.

I bet giving the game an 'M' rating, if that's what no censorship actually lead to (it doesn't), would effect the sales even less than censoring.

Classic Ninten of Merica approach.

Makes no difference to me, I'll still play it.

I can't imagine that there are a ton of impressionable North American children who are just clamoring to play this heady, story-driven JRPG.

I know there are bound to be complaints but I am personally fine with this. I am generally tired of seeing women hardly clothed in video games versus male characters so it's all good in my book.

The age change is weird though, especially since it is by one year but eh.

Just give the game a proper age rating instead of altering the work of others... sheesh!

Sigh, this is disappointing. Unnecessary self censorship always makes me slightly less likely to buy something. In this case, the game has dropped from "probably won't get" to "won't get this"

I honestly don't see why people want sexualized cartoon characters shoved into video games. It's just....weird honestly. Get out of thr house sometimes.

Amazing. Trolls calling other people trolls because they don't believe they have a right to their opinion. And apparently believe that the absolutely ridiculous changes made to localized games are benign.

Firstly; what is wrong with you? Do you have nothing better to do? All of the posts about 'whining' and really the only ones doing so are the trolls bashing people who feel strongly about censoring games regionally. Those are the only 'whiners' I see.

Secondly, It's not about skin, bikinis or any of that. It's about wanting to get the exact same experience as the country of origin. To experience a game as originally released. It's also about not having a company talk down to us because they, in their misguided self-righteousness, think we can't handle or understand certain visuals, concepts or scenarios. Making choices for adults as if we are children. As if we are incapable of making choices ourselves. Why not have an option to play the original or the censored/edited/neutered version at the beginning of the game?

Oh... and the laughable argument that this is about the children. How about this. How about you be a parent and take on that responsibility?

Thirdly, this sort of crap and the committees that form to decide what needs to be changed cause major delays in localization; we could be getting these games a lot sooner. So even if they are 'stupid' changes and don't effect gameplay, it still has a negative effect on the localization process. This game may have mostly cosmetic changes, but there are games that suffer far more heavy-handed changes... the vast majority of which are completely unnecessary and, as I said, condescending and insulting.

I guess it just angers me that so many are judging gamers who just want to play the original version as originally released. If these are such minor changes, then why the hell are they being made in the first place? Rate the game appropriately (that these changes would effect the rating is even more ignorance by the industry and its watchdogs) and release it in its original form. It's 2016. Stop treating other regions like children... and parents, it's not the industry's job to chew your kids food for them. Grow up and parent. Learn to say no. Stop trying to be the cool mom or dad and be a grown up and a parent. If you don't think it's appropriate, then don't let them play it. Done. You're welcome.

It's hilarious that they don't even include the swimwear DLC, like Western audiences can't go to the beaches and see plenty of hot women in bikinis. Instead of taking the negative approach though, I'm going to say the developers are just trying to send a message to gamers... 'get out of the house and go look at and interact with real-life women.' Seriously though, crap like this is why I can't stand people like Anita Sarkeesian and really hate the idiots who white knight for her. Would American women's lives (which are not nearly as bad as people love to act like they are) be made into a living nightmare much because characters in a niche Japanese game can wear swimsuits? Give me a fricking break.

@Uzuki Again, a game DEVELOPED by Square, PUBLISHED by Nintendo. Nintendo issued the statement of change (as reported by Nintendolife).

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/03/nintendo_issues_statement_on_side_quest_changes_in_bravely_second

While I did read that it was changed due to player feedback, it was done because players felt disparity between their choice and how the characters reacted, not that the choice was bad. It still doesn't excuse the costume changes. Do you not save the game before making an important choice? I will say that it may have been removed down to poor design, rather than censorship. Still, story content was removed because NINTENDO essentially didn't want us to feel bad about our choices.

this makes me sick.

@crazycrazydave 1) It was published by Square Enix, so any changes they made to the costumes they made to follow the standerds of the rating boards.

2) It didn't matter which side you picked, both ended with the characters doubting if what they did was the right choice in a melodramatic and depressing fashion.

As a filthy weeb im very offended

@arronishere And that's the point I'm trying to prove. What works in one country isn't going to in another. So companies have to make changes to sell their products even if they don't want to.

I'm sure the logic behind this is that with a T rating, the game is a little more likely to be an impulse buy by browsing consumers, potentially leading to increased sales.

The problem though, is that this is very anti-consumer. They're significantly changing a product designed for a specific niche audience, on the hope that maybe a few extra people will pick it up on a chance. Never mind the fact that these non otaku people will probably be immediately put off by the Japanese only audio should they buy the game.

Despite Nintendo recently announcing Atlus was localizing the game, we all know that Nintendo calls the big shots as publisher, and Atlus seems to be citing Nintendo as the reason for the changes.

Many comments here say that these changes are to "protect the children" but I think it's more about trying to not push anyone away.

I don’t think children are going to play this game. I think it's adults who want a weird RPG on their Wii U.

And I, for one, find it uncomfortable to play a game where I sexualize minors. I know 17 year-olds have sex with 17-year-olds all the time, and Japan does what Japan does, and that's fine — but I don’t really want to play a game with sexy children. And as my prerogative, I wouldn't buy such a game.

I think Atlus and Nintendo see sexualized minors as potentially off-putting to some customers, and they're trying not to push them away (especially for a niche game that probably already has a low ceiling). You age them up a bit, you don't call them kids, and suddenly I'm not as off-put.

I notice some comments about how Bayonetta got through and this didn't. The difference with Bayonetta is she's an adult. It has less to do with nudity and sexuality and more to do with sexuality & nudity of children (even though they're all fictional).

Down with that sort of thing!

@Uzuki Nice read about the rating board stuff. It kind of puts everything in perspective.

"Nintendo recently issued a statement claiming that Atlus was responsible for localizing the game, and presumably Atlus has made these changes independently."

Baloney. Atlus almost never censors anything when it's given a choice (they apparently slightly censored DT2 to avoid getting a higher than M rating and, seeing some of the censored stills from the Japanese version of that game, I believe them). The leak, which has already been proven to be accurate, mentioned that Atlus was localizing it "under supervision from Nintendo." I think we all know who is really responsible for the changes made here.

What @vincentgoodwin said. I know that, pushing 50, I'm no longer the target demographic for games like this (or any type), but sweet Jesus, I'd sure be happy if the RPGs I played involved actual adults instead of teenagers, cleavage or not. You want fewer content edits (and again, this is editing, not censorship...if you can still play the game, it hasn't been censored), start demanding characters whose fontanelles have hardened.

@Uzuki Godwins law...don't use the Nazi's to prove your points unless you actually do think teenagers wearing swimsuits is on par with the Holocaust.

Everyone keeps saying they want the game to be "how it was meant to be", with no censorship. But people do realize the game has this sexual content in it solely because sex sells in Japan very well. They tailored the game for Japan, just like they tailor the games for the west. There is no such thing as "how it was meant to be" anymore, because everything is about tailoring to the demands. We add gay characters because people want it, or sex because people want it, or female lead characters because people want it. The writers of the game mat very well never want any of this, but they have to incorporate what sells along with their own ideas. And the fact of the matter is, in the west it is significantly less socially acceptable for young girls to be sexual objects. It's funny how "progressive" means accepting homosexual culture, but we can't seem to treat women as much other than sex objects. People realize that's what they're doing right? And if you think the original version is exactly how the developers wanted the game, without any bias from the Japanese market, you are being naive.

"and presumably Atlus has made these changes independently." Umm... what? WHY would you presume that? Does Atlus do that with other, non-Nintendo-backed products outside of Japan? Nintendo is the publisher of this. I highly, highly doubt Atlus has the freedom to swap in and out outfits and strip away (pun) DLC completely on its own accord.

@arronishere I think you're missing the point I'm bringing up. Because Nazi imagery is illegal in some parts of Europe, then the product has to either remove the imagery or alter it to fit within the law. When going by the extremists statements posted here, then that would be seen as "censorship" rather then following the law.

As I said in another comment section here, Teenagers exploring and embracing their sexuality is everyday life in the Japanese media. In the Western world it is seen as pedophilia and won't be as accepted with open arms even with context of the situations.

If they change it they change it. Stop whining about it and accept it. Or don't buy the game. That simple. Certain countries have different values on things that's just how it is. And instead of wanting girls in less clothes in games how about treating woman with more respect in the real world. We can see people in anyway we want nowadays. Why must we still pretend putting girls in less in games works? It doesn't. I wish they would just do this to begin with though.

Or maybe they could just release two versions.

So we've been straight up lied to, then. Not even just absolutely ridiculous visual censorship, but a whole dungeon cut.

Screw you , Nintendo--And shame on you, Atlus, for putting up with this.

@Retron At this point I'm not even sure if it's self censorship anymore...

Cut content = no sale.

God dammit Nintendo if I say I want swim suits! Then damn I'll have swimsuits! PS that Touma character is hot!

Well, it's not a big deal since it doesn't affect the story or gameplay in any real way, but it is disappointing that they felt it necessary to make these changes. After all, there are tons of T-rated games with scantily-clad or swimsuit wearing characters. Even "Fire Emblem" gives us their swimsuit DLC!

As for the age bump, there could be plot-related reasons of which I'm not aware (in which case, you'd think those mature plot points would be the first thing they'd censor), but doesn't covering them up remove the very reason to make the age bump? They're no longer showing off too much skin, so why can't they be 17?

@MysteryAozz I agree that "boycotting" a title based on changes like this is ridiculous, so are the changes themselves. I'm not super keen on this kind of fanservice, but, in XCX for example, at one point I had matching armor on my all-female party and Lin looked ridiculous - it was immersion breaking being reminded that it's assumed I would find it to be sexual AND that that was somehow inappropriate (what if I was 15 yrs old? Am I not allowed to find people my age sexually attractive?) Most people playing niche titles like this are watching anime with this kind of sensibility too so the whole thing is just embarrassing.

I appreciate the fine line between localization and censorship, and personally prefer less fanservice, but I find cuts like this insulting and inappropriate considering the decision to embrace the "Japanese"-ness of the game.

Will someone make a game already that forces a male character to wear an OP man thong?!? I feel bad for the women that are forced to undress their characters, maybe it's time to have a little equality!

@SMEXIZELDAMAN I know, but at least Atlus came out and fully explained why it had to be done. The reasons made perfect sense (IMHO) and this I had no further qualms.

In contrast, other publishers either stay quiet about it or give a very generic statement that explains diddly squat. I just hope Atlus will step up to the podium and say "we are doing this because....".

We may not like the reasoning but if there is a business related explanation it would at least know what drove them to do it.

@BulbasaurusRex Seeing as they're changing the story of a whole dungeon and that it's now rumored they'll be cutting an entire DLC dungeon--Yeah I'd say this is pretty significant.

But yeah as you said, I love the age thing because of how ironic it is. Up them from 17 to 18 (which is completely understandable), but then completely de-sexualize them even though they now are legal and the game is getting an M-rating anyway.

@siavm It's not about wether these were good decisions in the first place - I don't really like this stuff in games on media and wish women were represented more broadly (i don't mind "sexy" if it was one of many identities represented) - it's about the compromises made from that original vison. Yes, different cultures have different values - shouldn't we respect the difference rather than force a foreign title to conform to ours?

@Jaredfrogman Naked Dunban is OP as hell! (Xenoblade Chronicles)

A one year difference is no problem, but why censor them now that they're 18?
Also, even if Atlus is localizing the script it is EXTREMELY obvious that Nintendo is pressuring them to censor things. You would be a fool not to think that.

@naut While the photos themselves relate to the plot, it doesn't sound like how much they're wearing has any bearing on it. As for the cut DLC, how often do you find optional DLC to have any meaningful story content aside from episodic games and additional full campaigns?

It's getting an M rating? Aw man, that sucks and makes the censorship even more pointless!

@vincentgoodwin Do you read/watch Game of Thrones? I'm curious how you feel about the age changes made with those characters, Dany in particular.

@Jaredfrogman Well, there are some "One Piece" games out there that take place after a certain Straw Hat member joined the crew, although he's probably not considered very attractive to most of the ladies out there.

The biggest problem Nintendo faces is that there is a double-standard for it.

Sony or Microsoft could release a game like this and (almost) no one cares.

Nintendo releases it without changes — it is featured on Fox News and various groups get up in arms about how Nintendo. (If you don't believe me, this story references a local Fox TV station's story about Pictochat being a tool to lure children: http://www.slashgear.com/cnn-fox-other-news-networks-still-think-were-all-technology-idiots-19393545/).

Meanwhile, if it makes changes so as to avoid that kind of bad PR, it gets this kind of treatment instead.

Now to be honest, this game is not my cup of tea. However, I can see that some changes make sense (age), some are as not important as being made out to be (slight costume changes), and some are unfortunate (not releasing a DLC — if for that reason if the rumor is true).

Finally, for those who talk about the original vision of the game — very little "art" is the artist's vision. Music has producers. Books have editors. Films and plays have directors and re-writers. It is part of the process from idea to item that can be sold.

Lucky for me im just excited to play the game

@naut
According to Amazon, the game is rated T for Teen.

@BulbasaurusRex The whole point is that the photographer is taking lewd photos. And from how the rumors sound, it looks like they're actually going to cut that concept and dub in a whole new setting. Also, who cares if the DLC doesn't have "meaningful story content"? Fun content is still fun content. Again, this is an M-rated game, what the heck would you cut it for?

@mike_intv Who cares about stupid right-wing local stations doing a BS story? Ever looked at the sales of the DS? How badly did that report affect them lol.

Plus, you couldn't even make a case like that with this game even if you wanted to--Because the game is marketed to ages 18 and up per the M-rating. It's not marketed to children in the first place!

Why cripple an already incredibly slim target audience this way?

I understand they care about their family friendly image, but this is not really meant for children.

@mike_intv @BulbasaurusRex

Well f*** me everyone. The game has been knocked down to a T-rating. Originally this game was slated for an M-rating.

Screw everything, man. Nintendo sucks.

You know, to this day, I'm kinda surprised Nintendo of America hasn't been hacked Anonymous-style, just so they (the hackers) could see and release the deep personal information to why NoA always, ALWAYS changes some stuff from the original NoJ version of the games, that they deem "innapropiate".

@naut @BulbasaurusRex It's rated T.

I believe they changed the shots mostly because the Gravure industry isn't a thing in other countries. The closest most countries have is porn or nude modeling and in a T rated game that wouldn't pass to mention the porn industry.

@naut
My point was that Nintendo is damned if it does and damned if it does not with respect to how to handle these things.
But no one care if Catherine is released on Sony consoles (or that Sony censured stripper scenes in BMX XXX on PS2 while it was not required by Microsoft or Nintendo).

@naut
Well you have to realize, even if this stayed rated M, it'll still be censored.

Eh standard stuff I'm used to getting changed at this point so I don't mind. Sucks for those who wanted the dlc but really this is one of the best case scenarios we could of gotten.

I wonder if the people complaining about are the same who complained about the "waifu" and "fansirvice" in the later FE games.

@Uzuki @naut Yep, it's rated T. I just found the rating on the game's page on Nintendo's official website. That's a relief! The censorship makes more sense now, and I agree with them censoring that one mission into a more appropriate scenario if that's what's going on there. It still doesn't explain why they needed to make the costume changes or cut the swimsuit DLC, though, or make the age bump in combination with the censoring.

@Darknyht Imho... You leave it alone and have a discourse about it, instead of white-washing everything and pouring vanilla over every cultural difference. It's time western countries grew the hell up and learned (REALLY learn. Not stereotypes or pop culture) about other cultures, other ways of life, other moral standards, other spiritualities and customs (and then accept them instead of judging them). How sad that anyone would want to change... anything just to make it more palatable. It's like turning fine cuisine into flavorless baby food because someone's palette is underdeveloped. The only way to develop one's world view... one's palette is to experience, and ask questions and grow.

Localizing should consist of one thing and one thing only in 2016; translation.

or if there must be this condescending appeasing of the morality gods, then how about an option to play the original, since the assets will likely still be buried in the code. And the DLC... it's by it's very nature optional... so why the hell NOT release it?

RUN TO THE HILLS!

@BulbasaurusRex I don't really see it as a "relief" at all. This just makes me more upset.

@naut @BulbasaurusRex I point to my argument of those outfits being seen as too risque in Western views and so is toned down. As for the DLC all the stores list that the game will have 5 DLC packs, which is the same amount as the Japanese DLC.

All I have to say is: who cares? Whether I can or cannot dress a character in a stupid swimsuit does not at all affect my enjoyment of the game. I'm so freaking tired of seeing these articles and how guaranteed they are to attract hundreds of comments. There's such a double standard against Nintendo when it comes to censorship: everyone is up in arms about them no matter what they do and no matter how extremely insignificant a change it is (this one). This is not big news anybody should care about and it's just annoying at this point.

@naut So you don't want it to get the extra sales that the T rating will give it? It's not really that mature of a game. It looks likes its target demographic is teenagers rather than being something just for adults.

@Tsusasi We have age ratings for a reason, and they wanted the expanded audience that a T rating brings, which required some but only minimal censoring (although I think they overdid it some). If we didn't have a ratings system, then I guarentee that conservative lawmakers would have certain video game content completely banned by now. "Mortal Kombat" on SNES would've had an M rating and the blood intact had the ESRB existed back then.

The difference between an M rating and T rating in sales is too vast for them to risk it. They make the changes to keep the ratings. it's that simple. That's why Persona gets away with it. They're going for an M rating.

@Uzuki Apparently no one has seen Degrassi, or any of the other teen 'dramadies' on TV... of which there are MANY. The whole teen sexuality thing broke the scene to mainstream a looooong time ago. Some people just don't want to acknowledge it. And by all means I wouldn't want reality or medical science and biology to interfere with their morality either.

@Uzuki Have you read American superhero comics? Western culture has just about as many scantily-clad women as Japanese culture does, and none of the original outfits I've seen are risque enough to require an M rating

I swear I don't even get this game lol. Even what I DO get, I don't "get it". Didn't even know it had a DOA:XBV component to it... sigh

@Uzuki "Too risque in Western views"? Who says? Other companies seem to release much more sexual content over here and no one seems to have a problem. We have games with strippers and blatant sex scenes over here, so what should some bikinis have to do with anything? I hope you're right on the DLC and it's just a rumor. But if bikinis are a no-no then I don't see how they'll do the hot springs. They gonna put them all in one-pieces and diapers? Also, what @BulbasaurusRex and @Tsusasi said about American comics and Degrassi is spot-on.

@BulbasaurusRex Lol. The game didn't even sell well in Japan, it's not going to sell well here anyway. The T-rating won't make any difference, they would have been better off not censoring anything and attracting as many niche J-gamers as possible instead of pissing them all off with the BS.

@BulbasaurusRex I have been a gamer since Pong, VIC20, C64 and all of the other notable systems that launched gaming. I was alive for the 'controversy' brought forth by a few conservative douche hammers. The reason for ratings is to allow for an informed purchase. That a few bathing suits would move this from T to M is absolute ignorant and backwards. Has anyone been to a pool or a beach lately? You couldn't throw a thong without hitting a 13, 14 or 15 y/o girl wearing one. So how is it ok for parents to sign off on skimpy swimwear in real life and it's not ok for a cartoon-like pile of polygons to wear one? Girls wear two piece swim-suits in Disney movies for crap's sake (believe me... I've heard it pointed out by my teen daughter and her friends).

The whole argument its just stupid. We are surrounded every day by more skin than is shown in this game. I think we should be less concerned with swim fashion choices in the game and more concerned with what kind of people let it go in real life, but lose their S___ when it's in a game that is more manga in it's style than realistic. This is just stupid. Ratings are not there for the morality police. They are there to inform. That bikinis on cartoon-like polygon models warrant an 'M' just shows how backwards, repressed and ignorant we are.

@Tsusasi — This man gets it. I mean look at Hollywood and/or the American music industry. We're objectively one of the most sexualized cultures on the planet.

Gasp.

You are really starting to tick me off Nintendo! ENOUGH WITH THE GODDAMN CENSORSHIP!

@BulbasaurusRex Keyword: Women. Even if they are fictional they are shown as adults and thus "chose" to wear revealing or skin tight outfits. Of course we have to bring in the examples of questionably younger heroines like Powergirl and Starfire, but those characters have been fighting these types of arguments for ages

@naut @Tsusasi Western culture have been groomed since the 1960's to find teenagers having or thinking about sex a disgusting concept. That thought process still lives and flourishes in today's society. The thought that anyone under the arbitrary age of 18 has sexual feelings is seen as a flaw rather then a natural thought and thus rejects anything that contradicts that thought process. Sure you'll see lots of sexy women selling burgers on TV, but notice they always have a disclaimer saying that they are 18 or older.

A new console generation isn't gonna fix Nintendo's nanny state attitude.

That's it. I'm not buying it. I'm way over my head with this non-sense censorship. I've had enough. And don't tell me "Like somebody cares one sale", because this game will not sell well in the first place. But I'm not supporting dumb decisions.

And as for the game selling poorly there are three things that I've seen on the Japanese forums that may or may not have contributed to the sells:

1) People were still upset that the game wasn't a "proper" crossover. From what I've gather people felt that Atlus broke a "promise" and were lied to when they actually revealed the final product on the April 1st Nintendo Direct.

2) Over saturation. This may come as a shock, but media markets in Japan are overflowing with Idol games. Granted this is one of the few products that takes a different approach to it, but nonetheless gamers over there are basically surrounded by it 24/7 and are sick at looking as it.

3) Low install base. I think we all know the story behind this one.

Not again don't know why they think they have too censor stuff I'm pretty sure we can handle it, never like DLC missing but if it's just skins then I am ok but if it's missing story or side story content then it's not good.

All the Sarkeesian fans and SJW's are jumping for joy!

"Hooray, we did it! Let's keep saying it's not censorship, even though it objectively is! Let's keep writing articles about how 'gross' these games are! Let's keep making gamers feel bad for liking things we don't!".

@Uzuki I still don't believe the West is still as "well-groomed" as you make it out to be--But it still doesn't really matter in this case because we've already established that they are 18 now so what's the remaining issue?

I can see the over-saturation thing. Lived in Japan for three months last spring/summer and LoveLive/iDOLM@STER was all the rage. Granted, I thought it was hype at the time but I guess if it's in your face every day.

To be honest, I don't care how much of the game they change, as long as the gameplay's the same. I'd be happy playing Splatofu, y'know? I don't care that much about how it looks, nor about how much it's been changed, I just care about whether or not it's fun to play, y'know?

@naut Because they're still High Schoolers. High Schoolers are still seen as kids.

Nintendo, why are you pushing your promiscuous agenda onto us? Anybody under 30 should not show any skin below their nose!

I don't have particularly mind this, but how is this going to make anybody more likely to buy this game?

Yay the children will be safe! At least the ones that don't go to the beach, mall, school, boardwalks, go on hikes, play sports, never watch music videos or movies or kids cartoons, never leave the house, don't use the internet, don't allow guests in the home, no neighbors for a good ten km, don't have siblings or parents that wear bathing suits, don't wear bathing suits themselves. Hopefully they have the common decency to be nevernudes.

Those kids are doing okay!

@Spiders — I'm not sure I understand your question about Game of Thrones. I haven't read the books since 2006 and stopped the TV show watching partway through the 3rd season.

I remember the characters being extremely young (Arya was like 7, Dany and Robb were early teens), and it was an interesting story point about children being thrust into an adult's world way before they were ready. I was fine with them casting older just because it's hard to find 7-year-old actors that can carry that much screentime.

But could you help me with what you're asking when it comes to your question?

They can waste all the money redesigning costumes they want. It won't impact how much I enjoy the game and I don't have to pay any extra.

can anybody please explain why swimsuits are bad now? You see your favourite celebreties all the time in bikinis etc. It's nothing risky. The whole situation is so stupid and ridiculous. And i would have never thought that this changes in the West seem necessary or even good from western audiences.
They wear freaking swimsuits, like everybody else also do. Believe me, i see TONS of people in these during the summer. It is normal. and yes, some of them want to look sexy wearing them. This is allowed were i life, and possibly in many places the game is released.

@KingofSaiyanZ That this is being deemed a negative article is part of the problem. It shouldn't be negative. It's a practice that happens among all developers since video games began. It shouldn't be news especially now it causes such angry reactions.

I'll admit I don't usually care about localisation changes all that much tbh I'm used to the reality that a localized product will never be 100% the same as the original version and I'm honestly okay with that. Costumes and age changes don't bug as long as the change didn't horrifically effect other important details, but cutting meaningful content (i.e. dungeons, weapons, playable characters, character creator aspects) is sort of were I draw the line.
Don't know what's up with NoA as of late, but their localizing is getting a bit questionable as of late.

@ROBLOGNICK Publishers cutting content for no reason whatsoever is most certainly "negative."

No it's not. It's their product and you will play it how they intend you play it. Plus if you really want the cut content, import it.

@ROBLOGNICK "It's their product and you will play it how they intend you play it."

I certainly won't be playing the way the Japanese creators intended me to, that's for sure!

@naut You could though.

Yeah guys it's totally NoA's fault. Atlus has never censored their own products in the West!

"Revelations: Persona was heavily changed when it was localized for a North American release. All characters were renamed and several of them had their appearance altered as well. Nearly all references to Japan or Japanese culture were cut, with the unusual exception being the shoe lockers and Shinto Shrines in the game. Many of the Personas were renamed rather than translated, and the town's name was changed to "Lunarvale". Yen was changed to dollars, and the overall difficulty of the game was reduced by lowering the enemy encounter rates and increasing the experience gained."
http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Megami_Ibunroku_Persona

I know this was back in 90s, but can you think of a localized-by-Nintendo game that changed almost all references to Japan to be Westernized? And honestly I'm not sure if there is one. Atlus doesn't have a perfect track record so I wouldn't put it past them to be the ones responsible for the changes here. But my point is that these changes are really nothing compared to the way it could be. Think about what's really important to you with this game. Also, they are rumors, so go ahead and decide not to buy the game based on that by the way.

Stop being so self-centered! I can guarantee "Daddy Nintendo" is not trying to protect you or children from seeing a bikini. I bet what they are protecting is their own asses, in case an angry parent wanted to sue them for selling porn to their kids or some kind of exaggeration like that. Or maybe they're trying to protect themselves from those dreaded SJWs that hide under your beds at night! Whatever the case Nintendo still let you play Bayonetta and Senran Kagura, I'm sure there is a reason Atlus felt they needed to make these changes. And I can't believe some of you are going as far as linking Iwata's death to something as trivial as this.

@LADDLY You do realize the reason it probably has sexual content to begin with is because it's popular in Japanese culture and sells right? The game was MADE for the Japanese market. To have a game "as it was meant to be played" would require the developers and writers to make the game exactly how they envision it, but nobody does that anymore. Developers know that adding a gay character is popular, so they do. Developers know that having a female lead character is popular and will sell, so they do. Developers know that teenage boys like bikinis and tight shirts, so they add it to sell. There is no such thing as a game being "as it was meant to be" anymore.

Really Nintendo this again!!!! For Christ sake, When will it get through their heads they we are not toddlers and don't need to be told what we can and can't see in a a game. Why even change the age limit of the characters if they are just going to change the costumes anyway. I am not mad we I can't see "more skin" like someone posted, I am mad because they keep treating us like children. There is a ESRB rating for a reason it is the parent who needs to control what their children play not them, just because some people want to mad at the idea of "little jimmy seeing panties", don't buy the damn game for them. The parent needs to know what they are buying. With all this censorship going around it makes a lot of people miss out on things even if they are small features. I don't see anything wrong with a swim suite Nintendo needs to get their act together.

@Ryu_Niiyama The plot and gameplay is a weird pop idol version of Persona, which didn't go over well even in Japan, so it's probably going to REALLY not do well in the West. The final product was not really a true crossover title, it just uses some ideas from FE sparsely. I bet this game would have been more highly anticipated and gotten more acclaim if it was a return to the Majin Tensei series. As crazy as that sounds to bring back an old spinoff series, it may have still put on a better... Performance Emblem. The sales tell us this game's concept backfired big time. So the Persona spinoff attempt fell flat- even the usually conservative shipments of Atlus overshot the mark.

Even this tired censorship argument is more interesting than the plot and gameplay on display here... Unless one is a fan of overtly saccharine anime spectacles. Granted, I'm sure we're in for articles in the future over the rarity of Performa Emblem in the West...

@ROBLOGNICK Let's not be ridiculous.

@FriedSquid

Don't get annoyed when you have the flu because you could have cancer

I can understand if it's something like Mario or Zelda that's meant for a general audience. No idea what the point of sanitizing a game like this is though. Kids and families aren't going to buy this anyway Nintendo. It's going to be japanophiles and RPG nerds who're incredibly happy about boobs.
Just poll your audience for god's sake. I swear on many of these things they're annoying more people than they're pleasing.

I don't mind, but let's be honest, what kid is going to get this anyway? You've got no puritan image to pursue if you're going to release games like Devil's Third and Bayo 2, Nintendo.

For most franchises I'd just shrug but given that this is SMT and similar to the Persona games I'm curious if a dungeon full of bikini pictures has some plot relevance. Persona 4 in particular featured dungeons where young people confronted their sexuality and sexualisation and the plot and characters would have been severely impacted without that.

I just find it funny that people want to rage, about censorship over a game that people were complaining about and weren't gonna buy anyway. But I guess to get something to talk about I suppose. I honestly couldn't care less. My only worry now is if Mother 3 does get announced. Will people be hype because it finally coming out.....or will they just complain on who gonna localize it. I remember most of these games just remained in Japan and never saw the light of day oversea. Now Nintendo is doing that but change a few things, everyone was to give something to complain about. I rather get to play the game then never seeing the light of day overseas. I understand some of people issue with censorship. But hey, even the Game Overwatch got fans raging due to a female character's pose was being sexulizated and it went so far. that they had to change the post, and that's coming on PS4 and Xbox1. So yes even those console get those Changes.

This is so much crap!! I mean look at that speedo!! A Speedo! Bikinis are everywhere in video games, but now, that there's a chance for us to see Speedos they censor the game?

And I call BS on Atlus being fully responsible for these changes. I would be willing to bet good money that Nintendo had some sort of influence on Atlus' "decision."
(--_-- )

@ChuJelly It's not just swimsuits though, an entire dungeon won't be releasing and since it's a Persona game for all intents and purposes, it'll only have around five or six dungeons to begin with so that's a pretty sizeable chunk of content to omit...

@GN004Nadleeh Leader!....Leader!... BATMAN! I mean, Leader!

So much for keeping as close to the source material as possible like they said in the Direct.

Keep in mind that since Nintendo is the publisher of this game, the final decision of whether the game should be censored or not is down to them, and also as the publisher, they have every authority to tell Atlus to take the blame for negatively received decisions, regardless of who made those decisions, and it certainly isn't an unusual scenario for this to happen, EA has often asked their developers to lie or take the blame for decisions that obviously did not come from the developer like disruptive anti piracy measures and content cut from the game to be sold as DLC.

@CB85 Honestly if they were straight up having sex it would feel less pervy.

These localization edits have gotten out of hand...

@Uzuki Amen brother. I love me some Japanese culture, but by actually talking to people who are Japanese you learn that what is culturally acceptable is very different. What might be a T rated game there might be a M rated game here due to the different rating boards and NA's opinion on sexual content vs. Japan.

For example the ESRB is much more lenient on blood and gore vs. CERO. Just look up footage for the Japanese versions of Gears of War or GTAV.

The thing is instead of whining about Nintendo/Atlus "censoring' things take your complaints to the ESRB to change how they rate these games. This game would die measurably in NA without getting a T Rating and to get that rating they need to make the changes the ESRB demands.

I highly doubt that Atlus are behind these changes.

@DarkKirby Sure they have the "right" to do it. There are a lot of scummy, d-bag things I can do in this life that are legal lol.

WAAAAH IF MY BIKINI GIRL HAS TO BE 18 INSTEAD OF 17 THIS GAME IS WORTHLESS BLAAAARGH!!

i hate gamer culture so much

@naut

I'm not claiming it's okay because the publisher has the authority, I'm saying the censorship isn't clearly completely on Atlus just because Nintendo said it is.

@Adamario Literally no one in this thread is complaining about the age change lol. It's people like you that poison "gamer culture" in the first place.

@DarkKirby I never said it was completely on Atlus--In fact, I know for a fact that Nintendo is forcing this stuff down their throat. Just a shame that they're sitting there and taking it.

Normally I don't mind small changes but this is starting to get ridiculous. I am seriously considering not even bothering with the NX if this is how things are going to go on a Nintendo console. I was one of the hardcore players that came in for the Wii U and I think it will be a shame if the nintendo scares me away after one generation.

@naut @Adamario Notice how the priorities of "localization" put censoring now 18 year olds' costumes and even having the cast re-record their lines above translating their battle quotes or even the text in the advertisement that features Tsubasa's new design.
Also, poor Atlus seems to have thrown under the bus here:
http://archive.is/peu33
http://archive.is/aGNAm

@BRAINFOX

Wow. Interesting find on those posts. Good job, Nintendo, What a joke.

ohboyherewego.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ny-nC3LBWk&app=desktop

Aggravating as always, but I'll live.

I don't think people realize though that almost all JP games get censored regardless of platform. Not always- I believe the latest Hyperdimension Neptunia was actually left alone (although prior entries were censored). But most of the time yes.

People should actually google other Japanese games on other platforms so they can see that this is not an issue relegated to Nintendo, although I have no doubt this has been at their direction, surely.

Here's an article where IdeaFactory proposes flat-out not localizing games at all, simply because they're tired of having to censor their games.

http://www.seganerds.com/2015/12/05/idea-factory-considering-not-bringing-some-titles-due-to-heavy-censoring-movements/

@Wexter People forget that other cultures with different rules and mindsets exists outside of theirs.

Who keeps saying that the game is cutting the Gravure dungeon? Yes the models have more clothing, but I already explained why earlier. In the Western world the closest thing to Gravure modeling is the Porn industry. Do you really want to play a section where the teenage female character has to tell the other characters how she's uncomfortable having to pose near naked for gravure (which would loosly translate to pinup or playboy model)? The change was made so it's just a generic photo shoot and she talks about how uncomfortable she is posing in front of cameras wearing bikinis rather then talk about how she feels uncomfortable having to perform sexual poses and, in some cases, sexual acts.

She... wore... an... itsy bitsy, teeny weeny, yellow polka dot bikini...

@Uzuki Exactly most casual players who pick this game up to fill that JRPG hole while waiting for FFXV and Persona 5 would lose their minds if they are not super familiar what that factoid. They would be like "What? Why would Nintendo have a game where a teenage girl works for Playboy?" instead of "oh she is a model who did some swimsuit photos". I was watching Steins;Gate with my brother and I had to explain what a maid cafe was several times because he thought it was weird and did not understand it.

I mean just because we are super informed (or even just slightly informed) and understanding of Japan's fascination with teenage idol groups and know what gravure is does not mean the casual player does. And before people say that a causal player would not pick this up they do. They might hear good things about it at a Gamestop or from a friend and pick it up. I mean that is how I got Tales of Symphonia back in 2004 was because it looked cool in Nintendo Power. I also bought Persona 4 because the cover looked neat and I heard good things about it without really knowing what it was. People buy games for weird reasons sometimes.

@Utena-mobile
Nintendo probably has no problem with the decision but I highly doubt it made the final call. This is Atlus' game. Nintendo (like Sony and MS) does a lot of stuff I disagree with but it's not responsible for everything, good and bad, that happens with games on its platforms.

@vincentgoodwin you mentioned you didn't feel comfortable playing a game where minors are sexualized, and I took a shot that you were familiar with GoT. It's not the best parallel, but it's an example of a source material where minors are - maybe not sexualized, but certainly in explicit and often unconsensual sexual situations - and that material was adapted for a different culture (tv viewers vs. book readers) where the age issue was the non-starter.

Localization can be seen as an adapation as well as a translation, so I'm wondering how you feel about the same issues when you're familiar with the original version and the adapted one.

@Tsusasi I don't have a dog in the fight as in this case I find it very odd that for a game that is set in a very specific time, place and culture being modified to alter that culture being commented on is odd at least. It would be like having a game (or TV show) having black people travel back in time to 1960's Las Vegas without acknowledging that that wasn't really a great place for black people then and having them interacting with whites as they can today.

Why is age inside a game even considered an issue at all? 17, 18.. who cares. The characters aren't even real. They're just models comprised of polygons and relegated to a screen doing whatever we program them to do. It's pointless to be concerned about their welfare based on how their depicted, because the rules of society just don't apply to the fantasy world. And even if we did apply them, it still wouldn't matter because these characters aren't alive period, so they can't feel anything. Honestly, I must be the only one here who finds this whole controversy surrounding a game character's age to be beyond stupid.

And it looks like I'll be going the used route for Genei Ibun Roku #FE. I refuse to give Nintendo any of my money for an inferior product. It doesn't matter to me whether the changes affect the story or not. As a potential customer, I should be the only one deciding whether I want to view the content or not by voting with my wallet. I don't need nor want Nintendo acting as my babysitter. They should just focus on doing their job of providing me with enticing products. If they can't do that then they deserve to go bankrupt.

@Tsurii "They can't see anime boobs" How about ridding any sexuality and character dynamics that are relevant to the story? Because that's how far this has gone.

@Adamario Covering up isn't the problem, Age isn't the problem (ok it kinda is due to their highschool status)

It's both clashing into each other. Think of it like a contradiction. Lyn from Xenoblade X is a perfect example of visual censorship that at least makes sense. She's 13, she gets covered up. Perfectly reasonable by US standard. TMS is not reasonable.

@SamirMalik Not really no. You have to understand that North America has some rather strict laws when it comes to underage modeling. You remember the silly Original Xbox game "The Guy Game"? It is actually super rare not because it is good or even that note worthy. It is rare because the game was recalled and banned because a model on the cover in a bikini was a minor and hence illegal and had situations where she was topless in game. You want to know how old she was? 17.

You have to understand that the ESRB and game companies got super careful about content like that because of stupid situations like "The Guy Game". The age bump is so Nintendo/Atlus can pass the game through the ESRB because of laws like that. Also do you know what gravure is? It is pinup modeling like you would find in Playboy or Sports Illustrated (closer to Playboy than Sports Illustrated). While okay in Japan that would not fly in North America to have an underage character in one of those magazines. So it has been changed to a generic photo shoot with a little less skin showing. It does not change the story in the slightest and not even really that much of a change.

This also not the first time Atlus has had to make small changes like that to their games. If this was not even reported I highly doubt you would even notice it was changed unless you compared the NA version to the Japanese version. Also before you say anything about this just being done in North America, Japan censors blood and gore from their games over there due to CERO.

@ChuJelly What's annoying is when you age up a character AND cover them. It's contradictory and makes no sense at all. And getting rid of story context only makes it worse.

Lyn from Xenoblade X is a perfect example of censorship that at least makes sense. She's 13, she gets covered up. Perfectly reasonable by US standards. It's one or the other, not both.

@NewAdvent How is getting rid of story context sensible? How is aging up characters to be old enough to allow them to be slightly sexualized AND covering them up sensible?

@FierceRagnar Blind Fanboy

@SamirMalik I think you miss read the article. The pinup level is still there. The only thing the game will not have is the Swimsuit DLC. Which while dumb I'm sure has a reason to not be included and so far that is just a rumor.

Also before you comment how Persona 4 was not censored or changed for NA (yes it was), but it was rated M in North America. What to know why? Alcohol References, Animated Blood, Language, Partial Nudity, Sexual Themes and Violence. Persona 4 which is the most tame entry in the Persona series got an M rating. In Japan it is rated CERO B which means for those 12+. That is right in Japan, Persona 4 got rated okay for 12 year-olds. You know that game that deals with a serial killer, bi-sexuality, gender identity and has you fighting demented versions of your own psyche is okay for 12 years-olds according to CERO. While the ESRB rates it for those 17+.

You can clearly see that Nintendo wanted to target a T rating in North America and if it was going to get TMS for the same rating it had in Japan (also CERO B) then some concessions were going to be needed to be made with the ESRB to avoid an M rating (considering it deals with similar themes as Persona and probably not that much more objectionable content wise as the 4th entry).

@Wexter The pin-ups were changed. Do you not get how this makes the villian less like a villain? So yeah. Story context was changed. It hurts the story in that chapter.

Yes, I would notice. Atlus games have a strong following.

They could have kept her at 18 and called it a day because by american law she is legal. That's fine. Doing both is not. It's illogical.

Gravure isn't softcore porn and exclusive to bikinis. girls can also pose in Kimotos or school uniforms. They don't even have to act sexual. they just have to be attractive.

@SamirMalik I know that. I was referencing how they are pinups. Also Playboy also does more than just nude photos in their magazines (they do not even do that anymore). Remember they did an entire Bayonetta shoot one issue. It is the with what kinds of pinups were used. You also seem ignorant to the fact that Atlus has made subtle changes to their games in the past and ignore that certain titles of theirs which have similar content have gotten higher ratings in the states.

Direct your anger at the ESRB that Atlus/Nintendo needed to make these changes at all to get an T rating. Did you ignore how CERO rated Persona 4 suitable for 12+, but the ESRB still rates it an M (which mind you means restricted sale to only those 17 and older)? It is due to the ESRB's harsh ratings that these changes probably needed to be made at all.

Nintendo.... I want to.... Do horrible..... Horrible things to you. If I didn't already pre order the special edition.... We all know atlas is a scapegoat and we know you are at fault here.

@Wexter Senran Kagura Burst got a T rating. Bikinis aren't an automatic M. And any supposition about the ESRB's involvement is just that, supposition, unless Nintendo actually gave enough of a damn to outline for consumers what the board required they cut (if it was indeed so mandated). That much, at least, is a standard companies deserve to be held to.

@Fath What I'm doing is comparing. TMS stylistically and content wise is very similar to Persona. From what I have read the content is very similar to Persona 4 and since Persona 4 is M rated and even its release is M rated you have to start drawing connections. CERO rates both these titles TMS and Persona 4 a B (which is 12+) and since both these games are very similar it is not that hard to connect the dots. It may seem like speculation but Nintendo has said that Atlus is doing the localization on this one and it has not been beyond Atlus in the past to change questionable content. They removed all Nazi imagery from Persona 2's PSP remake. A remake! Also, if anyone has played Persona 2 that is the most F'd up game in the franchise yet it gets a T. Atlus tends to make very mature games not just stylistically, but also in game content so it would not be that hard to assume that it might be both that is at play here.

Some would ask in that case why not make it an M rated game like Persona 3&4? Well here is the problem this game is not just a SMT spin-off, but also a Fire Emblem spin-off. Fire Emblem traditionally has been rated T. Let's also not forget that the Wii U is a struggling system and Atlus games by nature are niche and it sales were not even impressive in Japan. Their best course of action is to make the game as accessible as they can so a T.

Also the ESRB has not been all that known for consistency if we are to use Senran Kagura as an example (especially considering CERO rated that a D and it is especially odd since CERO rated Persona 4 a B and SMT IV a C, yet the ESRB rates those M). Phoenix Write Dual Destinies was rated M. Also most companies would rather remain mom about having to change content to please the ESRB.

I just don't get it. Fire Emblem fans have little to look forward to in this game. SMT fans have little to look forward to. At this point the game was only appealing to an already super niche crowd within a small pool of people. In all honesty, most people interested in this game at this point in time are avid JRPG fans, who WANT the things that are being taken out, no matter how trivial. People will claim how many of these changes aren't relevant to gameplay, which is true for the most part, but the ultimate question is simply why? This isn't a mainstream game. This game is going only to the hands of JRPG enthusiasts and weeaboos, both of which are definitely not new to the concept of bikinis. Who does Atlus/Nintendo think this game is marketed to? From my point of view, the changes are trivial in the grand scheme of things, however they're completely unnecessary changes at the same time. Whoever made the decisions be it Atlus or Nintendo,

they dun goofed, and they're gonna lose sales because of it.

@Whopper74

The game is about Japanese pop idols — it kind of comes with the territory. Why make a game about idols when you're afraid of controversy over a BATHING SUIT, of all things. Why all of the hand wringing over someone being offended by an artist's depiction of a swim suit when Miley Cyrus is straight up naked all over TV and youtube. The world has gone mad.

@Farmer_Jinbe Welcome to the internet. Namely the part of the internet that speaks English. "Oh no there is too much sex and violence in the media. Now excuse me while I go catch up on Game of Thrones." and my personal favorite "There is too much censorship, yet if it is something that goes against my personal and cultural beliefs censor the f' out of it". There is no pleasing anymore now a days and it is best just to ignore most of the "controversies" because most of the time you see bitching and whining on forums comments and Twitter they never actually take the sensible approach and email or contact the companies that control it. If you want more your games not to have to be censored contact the ESRB (they are very much so responsible for most of the dumb changes publishers have to make half the time) and the Publisher via official channels. You alone cannot do anything, but in groups and they get bombarded enough things will change.

Oh no, they slightly changed a few minor parts of the game, not buying smh!!!!!111

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@Lizuka Treehouse didn't localize this, Atlus did.

Before anyone complains any further I want you to do something. Email your countries rating board. As I and several people here have pointed out Atlus and Nintendo are doing their job by following the guidelines ad rules of each country's rating system. Before you complain or put another "Nintendo you suck" comment on here put it in the email instead:

Europe: http://www.pegi.info/en/index/id/511

The Americas: http://www.esrb.org/about/contact.aspx

There's even a little drop down tag to choose your complaint and you can remain completely anonymous. This will be a fair better solution to complaining on a news article will actually bring these changes to light.

Here is the form for PEGI:

"I believe that the guidelines for this game are too harsh and are ruining the message that the game is trying to deliver. Tokyo Mirage Session #FE is about a group of teenagers trying to make it in the Japanese Idol Industry and the game showcases both the Positives and Negatives of thus said industry. Unfortunately the game cannot showcase it's true potential because of the strict guidelines of the PEGI system. Understandably there is a vast difference of culture between Japan and the Western world, but the game loses it's culture identity due to the localization process of following the rating board standards. The game cannot show the true struggles of the Idol industry in the current state that it is now and although it is too late for this game, I would like other games of this caliber to tell their stories unhindered without fear of being culturally censored. "

Just replace PEGI with ESRB and your good to go. If we can get a even a few hundred people to do this then we may make some impact on how games are localized in the future.

@Wexter There's definitely fuzziness in ratings, but if the argument is "Persona 4 got an M, and this is pretty much Persona 4...," then trying to make the game into something it's not is a disservice both to the original audience, and to concerned parents putting their trust in a T rating. It's a lose-lose.

@Uzuki The ESRB didn't force, nor even recommend, localizers to make a single change, though, if they even had any interaction with them on the changes at all. An M rating is hardly a death sentence - just look at practically ANY of 2015's top games.

It's Nintendo's (I still don't believe this is Atlus' doing) boneheaded decision to try to force the game into being something it's not.

@Fath I would advise you look into the laws that revolve around the rating system. A company cannot physically or digitally release a game without getting a rating from the ESRB, CERO or PEGI. And to get certain rating companies have to make sure their product follows the guidelines for that rating. And for TMS yes a M rating would absolutely kill this game. For one it's on the Wii U. The majority of the user install base are kids and young adults. And although the adults could easily buy an M rated game it will gate out the 12-16 years old that this game is aimed at. Batman can get away with a M rating. Assassin Creed can get away with a M rating. Any FPS of 2015 can get away with a M rating. An JRPG with bright colors, cartoon graphics, and J-Pop cannot get away with a M rating.

Just, -w-h-y- bother doing this? Like, what purpose is there to covering up a game such as this? Why attach the stigma of "altered/censored version" when I'd doubt anyone would be swayed due to it.

I'm of @Souldin's mind on this. If you're going to bump up character ages (I was honestly excited, reading Bravely Default's manual to see the cast wasn't all teenagers like everything always, only to gain later this perceptual conflict), why then also change the content you'd need them to be "of age" for in the first place?

Just...why?! Where's the net plus, here?

@Uzuki About that... The ESRB rating for TMS #FE includes Fantasy Violence, Language, Suggestive Themes, and Use of Alcohol... No sign of the Partial Nudity tag, which indicates the absense of the swimsuit DLC. The Partial Nudity tag has been applied to many T rated games over the years, so it wouldn't push TMS #FE into M rated territory. The same even goes for the Sexual Themes tag, still not enough by itself to be pushed into M rated territory. There are T rated PS4 games with both tags, and even PS1 games dating back to Final Fantasy 7 maintained a T rating with both tags.

So I don't know if it's really about following ESRB/PEGI regulations. If Nintendo/Atlus managers wanted to do that by definitely adding the Partial Nudity tag, and possibly the Sexual Themes tag, while keeping the DLC fully intact, they could. Yet they didn't, even though the ages of certain characters were raised to 18 up from 17. They would have still kept a T rating.

So I think this is a case of self censorship by Nintendo/Atlus, not a case of compliance. The only response ESRB/PEGI would give to people for complaining about this is "No applicable tag filing, not our problem, talk to Nintendo/Atlus" or something like that... Or probably just no response.

@PlywoodStick DLC is rated separately from the base game as long as it has the same rating. And the way the rating system works has always been a weird process. For example: Super Smash Bros Brawl is rater T for Cartoon Violence and Crude Humor where as Punch Out!! is Rated E 10+ for Cartoon Violence and Comic Mischief. What pushed Brawl into the T territory was the Gun Items like the Light Cannnon and Lazer Gun, Explosions, bombs, Subspace Emissy and characters like ZZS and Solid Snake. Punch Out!! has a more cartoony visual style and seeing as boxing is considered a sport it can fly with a E 10+ rating.

The most likely reason they didn't get a partial nudity tag is they covered up just the right amount of cleavage and leg with just the right amount of characters to avoid getting it flagged and pushing it into M territory.

Also who keeps saying the swimsuit stuff is gone? There are several articles on a bunch of websites showing pics of the characters in swimsuits with the LE English version of the game. Not to mention several of the trailers of the English version clearly showing them wearing their swimsuits. And on top of that on my gamestop receipt and the page of the LE it states all the things that come with the LE which includes the FIVE DLC packs that came out in Japan. So unless Atlus went through the trouble to replace the Swimsuit one then I highly doubt they removed it.

@Uzuki It's not the ESRB's fault if Nintendo's tanked their own market by Flanderizing themselves so hard that an M-rated game is a nonstarter. But @PlywoodStick makes the more relevant point, in that the changes really probably weren't ESRB-driven to begin with.

Chastising the ESRB for changes that they weren't responsible for making, in response to a rating they probably wouldn't have given in the first place, may not be likely to have an effect.

But you are right to question whether the DLC part is even a thing. Unless new info has surfaced since I read about it yesterday, the entire bit about the DLC is still just one bullet point in an anonymous forum leak that's gotten other things right so far. It'd be exactly what people expect from Nintendo at this point, but it's not a fact yet.

@Fath @PlywoodStick The rating systems is part of the reason why games go through the "Censorship" process. Directly from the ESRB website:

PACKAGED OR BOXED VIDEO GAMES
Packaged or boxed games typically sold at retail are rated using a "Long Form" process whereby ESRB raters evaluate the content of each game in advance of its public release. In these cases the publisher must provide two key forms of content disclosure as their game is being finalized:

a completed ESRB online questionnaire detailing the game's pertinent content, which essentially translates to anything that may factor into the game's rating. This includes not only the content itself (violence, sexual content, language, controlled substances, gambling, etc.), but other relevant factors such as context, reward systems and the degree of player control; and
a DVD that captures all pertinent content, including typical gameplay, missions, and cutscenes, along with the most extreme instances of content across all relevant categories. Pertinent content that is not playable (i.e., "locked out") but will exist in the game code on the final game disc must also be disclosed.
Once checked to ensure that all pertinent content disclosed in the completed questionnaire is reflected in the DVD submitted, the DVD is reviewed by a group of at least three trained raters who collectively deliberate about what rating should be assigned. Once the raters reach consensus on the appropriate Rating Category and Content Descriptors, ESRB staff reviews the raters' recommendation and may conduct a parity review to maintain consistency in rating assignments. A Rating Summary is finalized shortly thereafter, providing additional detail about the key factors that contributed to the rating assignment, including specific examples of game content or attributes. The final rating is then issued to the publisher, which may either accept it as final or revise the game's content and resubmit it to the ESRB, at which time the process starts anew.

There's a reason why games like RPGs can take so long to get through the rating process. There has to be one person who has to spend hundreds of hours combing through the entire game to make sure everything follows the guidelines of the rating board. They then list anything that conflicts with the rating that the company is asking for. Which means the devs have to change or remove that content and that same person has to once more spend hours combing through the game again. So do you know what companies have to do? They preemptively strike. Most of these companies have been in the business before the board was ever created and know what does and doesn't trigger alarms. So Nintendo/Atlus know what does and doesn't work for the T rating and have adjusted the content to match that so we won't have to wait an entire year for the game to come out. That's part of the reason why we're getting the game in only six months of the Japanese release.

Like I said in an earlier comment, "Daddy Nintendo" isn't trying to parent you. They could care less about what people people thought of their company and products. But they have to follow the rules and guidelines like everyone else. If you have a problem about it I left links to Europe's and The America's rating board respectively and you can tell these boards that the rules they have in place are crap and are ruining the experience of video games. I even left a little default message so it'll save people work.

Honestly, now. What's the point of marketing your game towards weebs if you censor the anime tiddies? It's like, their crack.

Gotta love the Nintendo Defense Force being on full alert, attacking people and throwing out accusations of being a pervert for not wanting your game to be given pointless changes.

Censorship or localization, this was a very bad idea. This game bombed in Japan and it's not going to do well in the US or EU if you start taking a hack saw to it and cutting things out.

I usually have more to say than that, but to be honest, most of the comments here have already said all I would have said. Good to see people who aren't blinded by Nintendo are still around. Nintendo is a great company who deserves praise where praise is due, not when they do things purely for spite. if Atlus were the ones behind it, then shame on them.

Either way, this game is going to bomb pretty hard. They're not increasing it's chances of success here.

I am super late to the discussion, but I still don't get the point of changing their ages AND censoring the costumes. How does that even make sense? One should be sufficient.

I usually dislike fanservice and it's extremely off-putting in games (except the crossover type fanservice, that is cool) where it doesn't belong but I hate censorship even more. I do understand they want to put the game in the T rating, but these changes are still stupid.

I still think most of these changes are being 'suggested' by Nintendo to Atlus. Seriously, this might decrease the sales of this title even more which wouldn't have sold a lot anyway...

@Ryu_Niiyama OR vise-versa. Why cant we just get the game as it was created and not a make a big deal about it.

Here a little innocent fun is interpreted as the pit of all evil. I mean... bathing suits? Who hates bathing suits? Ohhhh...ya insecure, judgmental, fragile, stupid westerners do! Shame.

Stop treating westerners, and more importantly, your female audience with kids gloves. We can take it. We aren't fragile beings!

@shotoclone Why are you replying to a comment I made last year?! Anyway are you honestly hindered by the characters having slightly less revealing clothing? Games have ratings and Nintendo has its own standards. Localization isn't new. It has even worked in the favor of territories outside Japan. However, I'm sorry you can't live without digital breasts. You are missing out on a great JRPG.

@Ryu_Niiyama
The same can be asked about why you opted to reply i suppose FYI: I stumbled upon your "ancient" comment via a google search of the actual censorship issue (the game is coming out soon) and it seems my concerns are not alone. It isnt just "slightly less revealing clothing as you say". Whole outfits, ghastly and hapahaszrdly replaced with pants. DLC content. Cleavage....cleavage. If the naturaul human form is offensive, i suppose we could go back to blocks and squares via pong!
IDN...does it really bother you if they did release without the censorship?

BTW: I have real boobs.Dont need the fake ones.
(who said i was missing out on the game?)