In the past week two separate sets of images emerged that were claimed to be sneaky pictures of NX kits by developers. The first was a white unit which we gave the 'rumour buster' treatment, and then the second set were higher resolution images of a black unit that were somewhat more convincing. We were shown information that we then shared in an update, however, to state that these controllers were not 'legit' NX units.
That appears to have now been confirmed as the case, with a YouTube account called ID 2Def showing the creation of the fuzzier first image, demonstrating a render of a fake controller being worked into the desk background.
That naturally discredits the latter set, which were effectively the same but with black units and clearer image quality.
As highlighted in our original articles, the close similarity to the widely considered free form screen patent of last year served as a red flag. Yet prior to our colleague Liam Robertson assisting us with the aforementioned update stating that the pictures were not showing NX hardware, we were certainly starting to doubt our initial rejection of the images. Ultimately, it's proven to be a hoax that successfully stumped wide parts of the web, and prompted plenty of interesting debate about Nintendo's next generation hardware.
As things stand we can go back to looking forward with anticipation to what Nintendo will deliver. We still don't know what form NX will take; we'll just have to look forward to the surprise.
[source gonintendo.com]
Comments (118)
It would be funny if the real controller ends up looking like that in the end, though. xD
Lol, this reminds me about the whole Rayman debacle, back when the first three DLC characters in Smash were ready to get announced!
I want regular buttons, dagnabbit!
Is anyone honestly surprised
@DiscoGentleman My thoughts exactly. I still want it to be a real thing.
I mean I'm not one to say I told you so but looks at my comment in the original article.
Why the heck anyone belived this was anything more than a desperate attention seeking gag is beyond me. If you're not a Nintendo employee you have to be a massive high up at EA or Square-Enix to even have a single clue as to what this is. Now to wait for Nintendo's reveal like a sensible person.
YES! Thank God!
Phew!
What surprised me was that people thought this was legit.
Yay. Thank the good Lord!
I've been thinking about it, though... and I think it might be great for a Nintendo device that can play mobile games. That ensures constant third party support, that's for sure.... as well as Nintendo's mobile titles.
But either way, I'm glad virtual buttons aren't replacing my main control schemes. So so so glad.
@MetaRyan and bashing Nintendo for it.
Good.
Dang, that was photoshop?! Wow. Credits where credit is due.
Yeah, I'm not surprised. I've come to doubt almost every single thing on the internet. I'm not even certain that I'm actually commenting on a website called nintendolife right now. Where am I? What is the meaning of life? America. Science.
@Peraa Ergh, don't remind me of that.
@MetaRyan he said in hindsight.
so wait, so the hoaxer in this case is only responsible for the first image? then where the hell did the 2nd set come from?
Honestly, I'm a bit relieved. That screen around the sticks seemed way too impractical.
Thank the good lord!
Knew it. It just didnt look like something Nintendo would make.
I wonder why they didn't create it with the horns In the patent
@abe_hikura Unless it only in black and that real and this is the decoy.
Yeah, this was impressive work that fooled many. I couldn't decide myself. I wasn't excited about it, but I'm glad it forced people to confront it, honestly.
Nintendo's actual hardware will likely get similar reactions. Maybe it will be the next console, maybe it will be the next handheld maybe both, but it will be talking a new direction, so... it's not going to be XBox1.5 or PS4.5 like some fans seem to (inexplicably? Sony is making a PS4.5!) hope for.
It got me thinking about screen buttons and haptic feedback. People were completely dismissive of "no buttons" and I actually want physical buttons but haptic feedback on a Macbook Pro trackpad is insanely convincing and gives all the feedback you need to feel like you are pressing a real physical button.
So, I think some company will pull it off someday and the one to do it will probably be someone trying to make a dedicated handheld gaming device not a general purpose phone device. So, we may yet see Nintendo have something that looks like no buttons on the surface but will be very satisfying dynamic buttons all the same.
It won't be shaped like this though... especially if it's the mobile device.
Okay, but we still haven't answered the important question:
Was that tree in the reflection of the monitor stand the same tree as the one outside MASSIVE Studios' HQ?
Identifying that tree was the most exciting part of this whole saga. It was like working in MI6, if MI6's sole purpose was to identify trees.
Here come all the "look at my 2 day old comments telling you all!!" people
Awaiting more rumors! Next week!
I assumed it was fake the whole time since the design was horrific for gaming on. It makes me wonder what the actual controller will look like.
Yet another "here's how I made the leak" video starting with the creator laughing in our face. Somehow Artsy Omni made it "cool" to laugh at people waiting for news.
On a more serious note, some credit is probably due in the direction of Mr. Dr. Sir Lord Liam Cupcakes Robinson. Or, if not credit, then at least detraction of some scorn and derision.
No, he didn't make any explicit declarations about the true design, and no, I'm not holding him up as a prophet because of these events (or any other). However, he did draw some criticism in sticking his neck out and stating that this design was fake and, well... it does appear to be fake.
That should at least be acknowledged in the interests of fairness.
@allav866 now does my comment (#14) match my avatar? Same question goes to @rjejr
Dang, I'd just spent £100 on games from the App Store with abysmal touchscreen controls in preparation for this
Of course it's a fake, only a fool believes it.
@Maxz Thanks. I don't lie about this stuff.
Good.
Thank christ.
i really wish people who make this stuff up would find something better to do with there time.
Can we all relax now? Yesterday no one was going to buy an NX!!! Geez! Wait until Nintendo officially releases info!
Such a waste.
They could've saved this for April Fools' Day.
@Whopper744 I don't know, I found the whole silly saga quite fun actually. You get to play a sort of rubbish detective. A detective of video games controllers. A detective of video games controllers who doesn't actually know anything, and has to resort to reading the opinions of other rubbish detectives, but eventually just gets the answer given to them by the perpetrator anyway. Which is probably the most rubbish way to solve a case possible.
I quite enjoyed my time as that rubbish detective, truth be told.
I still haven't found any proof that this guy didn't reverse-photoshop the background image. It's unlikely, and and the first picture did look photoshopped, but I'm not 100% certain it's fake. If it's that easy to photoshop a whole new 3D design, it must be just as easy to edit it out. I'd say I'm about 90% it's fake, 10% it's an early prototype that will eventually include buttons and handles.
The creator of the video doesn't claim responsibility for the other images. He says he doesn't know who did them, but suggests they might have used a 3D printer based on his design. Is it really that easy to do?
Meh, I still love rumors
@TomJ Not a chance in heck. Rumors will keep on coming.
@TomJ Wouldn't that be great?
So we still don't know if the NX is a portable, home system, or some combination of the two. In fact, we don't even if it's a console at all.
Maybe it's an advanced form of AI, and maybe the 'leaker' that mocked up and spread this rumour actually WAS the NX. Maybe the NX is spreading rumours about itself for its own amusement in its first move towards world domination.
Maybe the NX is the player, and we have just become the game.
0.o
ID 2Dev: "The other "fake" takes my design (black) and a 3D print (in my opinion) more successful than mine, it says;) as it blew me away (Sorry I use a translator)"
So someone basically made a black physical mock up of his design. I'd rather that person reveals themself and how they made that, cause that one was way more impressive.
I can't believe I couldn't tell... The shadow cast by the post it note in comparison to the controller should have given it away...
Glad to know it's fake though. There is still hope for the NX.
This goes to show how far technology has gotten
@TomJ It's going to be one hell of a 3 months. (Takes aspirin)
Something about it bothered me from the beginning. Now back to what I have been saying for months now. We will know what the NX is this E3. Until then treat every rumor with a great helping of salt and treat everything as if it is false unless it comes from the mouths at Nintendo.
@TomJ Make room! Make room! Don't leave me out here!
jumps into capsule with TomJ
Ha! I told you so!*
*I didn't really tell you so.
Im relieved! Anyway, Im sure there will be a legitimate NX leak of some sort sometime before e3.
I remember when they said that the New 3DS wasn't happening.
So I'll wait and see what actually comes out.
I don't think very many people needed official confirmation to know it was fake, but it is nice to have it for once!
(GIGANTIC SIGH OF RELIEF)
@yuwarite It's a crazy cycle of fakery, isn't it? It's also kind of funny that the source used to discredit the most recent fake was the one that that gave us the first.
Faker No. 2 was outed by Faker No. 1, but even Faker No. 1 seems taken aback by how well Faker No. 2 faked Faker No. 1's first fake.
We literally seem to be getting fake fakes (i.e the second, apparently 3D printed controller) that are actually more real than the original fakes.
Madness.
@abe_hikura That second hoax came from Finland.
Man... These new cats online will do anything for a little Internet fame...
Oh THANK GOD! I can hear the collective sighs of relief and say thank you!
Good, that was a terrible controller. No buttons and looked horribly uncomfortable to hold, not to mention the garbage looking sticks.
Phew, now we just need to wait to see if Nintendo doesn't make this disaster for real.
I hope the rumours keep coming,I love reading the comments.So many of you guys get so passionate about it ,go quiet when they're proved fake then come back and do the same again with the next rumour.
@Maxz "Faker No. 2 was outed by Faker No. 1, but even Faker No. 1 seems taken aback by how well Faker No. 2 faked Faker No. 1's first fake."
Haha that's brilliant!
Serves those who came rushing to hate Nintendo and won't buy the NX right.
The amount of crying that caused, the amount of people ready to walk away from Nintendo over a hoax.
Haha... I would say they are pretty good at rendering that!
Maybe we get some more serious info on april 1st.
Wow, people actually believed this...
That's what happens when you try doing AF before April 1st. Like the Coleco Chameleon, people seem to love doing AF too early this year especially this guy.
And people wonder why I don't bother with believing in rumors.
Hallelujah! 🙌
Hai gaiz that rumor was a rumor...kthxbye.
THERE IS A GOD!
Honestly Nintendo should start leaking mock ups of its prototypes. just flood the forums with leaks so when a real leak comes its ignored by everyone.
Yep, Nintendo believe in ergonomics above style, that controller did not look comfortable or practical!
I guess this means those threatening to boycott Nintendo can come back and enjoy the hype again!
No! The fake statement is a fake!
Ok, but there's still that other picture (but with fake Zelda footage of the same source, I believe). Where's smoke there's fire: The controller still might be oval-shaped and almost button-less.
I said fake from the start. As If Nintendo would be idiotic enough to create s controller like that....
Knew it!
What I'm trippin on is.....how come Nintendo didn't come out right away and debunk this?
And.... back to sleep... phew! It was just a bad dream after all...
For once I was right as I've been saying it's a fake for a while. Still, it's very relieving to know that it isn't real.
@Maxz That sounded like a movie quote. Maybe it all wasn't so bad after all.
Obviously fakes are obviously fake, surely nobody required this to realise it?
People might be jumping the gun a bit with their relief when several insiders confirmed the design matched what they had heard the dev kit looked like. This is fake, but a controller that's mostly a touch screen still sounds pretty likely.
This was fake, but I think the general idea will be the same. Portable that streams to a TV or other device.
Only the real deal will almost certainly have buttons, although I wouldn't be surprised if used some of these ideas like haptic feedback.
Everyone wants the NX to be a hybrid including myself. I'm glad that was a fake. Then when the second rumor came out, I was having doubts in the back of my mind. I was hoping that it was not real. No buttons are a clear give away.
@bezerker99 Anything to generate talk and keep Nintendo on people's minds is a good thing for them.
Thank God.
Black controller also fully confirmed to be a fake:
Better job than the Photoshop dude, though so still deserves some respect. They should have saved the punch line til the 1st of April, though...
@Nicolai the 3D render isn't done in Photoshop, that'll be using Maya or 3DS Max most likely. Photoshop doesn't do 3D, at least not to that degree. And the render wouldn't take long to make for someone with a moderate knowledge of the software.
[edit] Ok it IS 3D printed! Much to my surprise, I would have though it'd be easier to render it off again. So yup it was that easy!
@TheRealThanos He had a better shot at legitimacy if it was slightly different from the white one, making the white an early development kit and the black closer to the finished product. Also, why would anybody put a "property" sticker along a thin edge when you have the entire big back surface to put it on? I get people putting stickers on things, happens all the time, but nobody is going to make one just the right thinness to fit on that edge when they can just plop one on the back. And the timing just SCREAMED COPYCAT.
@Detective_TeeJay Hey TeeJay!! Yeah, I guess so. Nintendo came out pretty quick and debunked that rumor about Wii U ending production by end of year. I assumed they would have debunked this rumor much quicker.
That's great! Now to wait for E3
@rjejr True. I was only ever a little worried, though. If memory serves me, then this would have been the first time EVER that a controller looked exactly like its patent, and that is simply something that never happens, which I already stated when the white controller was leaked. The highest probability that I gave it was it being a dev kit controller only, because these don't necessarily have to look similar to the consumer version, but in the end the "way too much like the patent" look gave it away for me.
@Ogbert I think you might want to check out the YouTube video I posted: the black controller was definitely 3D printed.
As the video shows, a little sanding and polishing goes a long way in taking care of any rough edges...
@TheRealThanos So what are the odds the real NX controller will be so bad people will be clamoring for these fake ones to be real?
@Vee_Flames I would say all of your initial comments match your avatar, but then when you start replying to people those comments don't. And the longer your back-and-forth discussions go on, the less the avatar matches.
@TheRealThanos Oh, about that video where 30 seconds in he says "I'm sorry if I got peoples' hopes ups." What a total crock. If he didn't want to get peoples hopes up then he would have said - "Hey, look at this cool fake I made." But he didn't, and you know why, b/c he wanted to fool people. Biggest insincere apology ever, I don't care how much he slumps his shoulders while saying it.
@rjejr Well, as a matter of fact, we're not quite out of the rumor mill yet: some new guy on Reddit recently popped up that has also said that these controllers were fake and that he can share some actual NX info, which he has now done.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX/comments/4btxk0/i_am_a_aaa_dev_who_actually_works_with_a_real_nx/
Obviously once again to be taken with a healthy helping of those little white grains...
EDIT:
Especially considering the "rough sketch" of the controller that this supposed AAA dev posted in the Reddit thread:

(although he did add "Excuse my absolutely terrible MS Paint skills" to that picture, so maybe we should cut him some slack)
@TheRealThanos haha yeah I just saw that! They own a 3D printing and laser cutting business, that's how they got it so smooth and made the screen!
Usually 3D prints are rough and covered in ridges and supports, certainly the ones I've had done have been a nightmare to clean up! I guess if that's your job though you'll be able to get it done much quicker
And this is why I kind of stayed out of the 300+ comment rumor articles. Well I guess it would of got way less buzz if it came out 4/1, so timing is everything.
@TheRealThanos Revisiting the Dreamcast VMU makes sense from a technical standpoint - a limited part of the game on the go means you only need limited specs in the controller - but I don't know why anybody would copy any aspect of a system that failed worse than the Wii U?
And really, why would you need such limited specs? The 3DS plays MK, SSB, HWL, XC, Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion 2, all those beautiful JRPGs, and that hardware is 5 years old. The 2DS sells for $99. $100 should get you a lot in today's tech judging by phones and tablets.
Now I do think you need a downgraded version of the game - stereo instead of 5.1, 960x540 (Vita res, 4 yr old tech) rather than 1920x1080, but the same game should be playable. Only 1 screen to render, not 2, but don't most Wii U games function off-screen on only `1 screen?
Good to hear about the disc drive. Buy the game on disc, download it to the handheld.
@Ogbert: Thanks for clearing that up. @TheRealThanos: Well, that settles it. 100% fake. Damn, leaks can get so good now. I didn't believe the first picture, but that second one was really good! Never believe anything you hear, ever.
@rjejr "a system that failed worse than the Wii U"
Aw, man, stick a knife in my heart and twist it, why don't you?
Talking to an avid Dreamcast fan here. I actually fired it up again as recent as last week. The system was ahead of its time in more than one way and it had a lot of great design points and traits and the VMU was a VERY interesting alternative to the normal memory pack. It also has a LOT of great games despite having had such a short life span.
The reasons why it failed had nothing to do with the console itself, but with gross mismanagement, bad investments, and delusions of grandeur of some people at Sega's board of directors.
Oh, and their marketing sucked too, the only comparison I could and would make to the Wii U's situation. Except with Sega, that already started when they began to push all their Genesis add-ons and it quickly went downhill from there.
But as far as the Reddit thread is concerned: I did warn you to bring the salt, so I'm not buying the "only limited gameplay on the go" stuff. And almost none of the other stuff he mentions too...
By the way: if you really want to know what happened with the Dreamcast and why, I can heartily recommend the G4TV Icons documentary "History of the Sega Dreamcast":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLrLWAuOSnM
It is the ONLY true and correct story and it contains interviews with nearly all people involved with it back in the day.
@rjejr Additionally, that documentary is also a VERY good explanation of the reason why Nintendo isn't going to "do a Sega" or why the NX isn't "going to be the next Dreamcast" (like so many misinformed souls continue to scream) if it fails, or even their next console, for that matter. (I already used this documentary to prove that same point during the Wii U backlash, but it still holds up in the current situation)
@rjejr The download to handheld solution is also what I came up with when I thought of how the two devices would work together with the same game, so to me that is one of the few things that sounds plausible.
They could let the hardware "auto-downscale" the game, much like a preset for a PC game. High end device (console): all settings to maximum, medium or low end device (handheld): settings to medium, but still the same game to play on the go...
@TheRealThanos Our Dreamcast is still hooked up as well, mostly for Sonic Adventure - why buy it in HD, it looks just fine as it is? - but Ooga Booga is great 4 player couch vs, and Marine Fishing is the best fishing game ever made, we have the fishing pole. Had Dreamcast lasted 2 more years it likely would have been my favorite console, mostly on the back of Grandia 2 and Skies of Arcadia, but you can only get so many games in 3 years, and PS2 had open world platformers out the wazoo. Oh, also bought the Bleamcast disc and MGS looks much better on Dreamcast than PS1. And I used the web browser.
But it still only sold 9mil consoles. I'm not sure coming out w/ VMU 2 for the NX is the way to start marketing a new system. It also makes zero sense as every smartphone and tablet on the planet is basically VMU 2, making a portable controller just for Chao garden would be a huge step backwards in that regard. Full game or bust.
@TheRealThanos "auto-downscale"
Well you could get all fancy shmancy, but I just assumed the download part could be the separate game on the disc. The same game they would sell as a download if there is a separate handheld not bundled w/ the home. I'm still on the fence about how this will play out. I know it should play out as 1 bundled system, but can they make it cheap enough? $400 and it might be DOA. $250 home w/ a Pro controller and $150 for a handheld might be a necessity. Not everybody wants to play at home and not everybody wants a handheld. And if they sell them separately at those prices, then a $349 bundle might seem palpable, a PS4 and Vita in 1.
Though I suppose if the "home" is simply a $50 stick or box for "auto UP-scaling" - see PSVR "processor unit" (sorry, it sprung to mind), and they stick $250 worth of hardware into the controller, that might work at $299. A $250 handheld should get you some decent specs.
But I don't know, and I won't pick one.
@rjejr Drifting off topic, but to add to it: I actually totally ignored the VMU part in the Reddit thread because it sounded too dumb to me, so no need to dwell on that part, as far as I am concerned.
While we're on the topic of Sega games: I'm more into racers, fighting games, side scrolling shooters and weird games, all of which the Sega Dreamcast had more than enough of, and also some nice rpg's and anime inspired games.
Some of my favorites: Daytona, Dead or Alive, Ikaruga, Soul Calibur, Metropolis Street Racer, Hydro Thunder, Sword of the Berserk, Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi, Sonic Adventure, Powerstone, Shenmue, Illbleed, Silver, Blue Stinger and Ecco the Dolphin.
A small tip: a lot of Dreamcasts were actually region free and/or unlocked without us knowing it. Mine is not tampered with in any way and yet I can still play downloaded games...
Maybe you should also try yours out: go to emuparadise or the Iso zone and download a game. They burn to a normal cd, so if you still have some of those lying around, then it is well worth the try.
Daytonaaaaaaaa!!!!
As for the NX download game solution: two games on one disc could work too, but my solution is considerably more cost effective, also if you only have the handheld, since you could then download it from the eShop or something. And if you have the console you will have the disc OR the download, and if you have both, they can probably use some sort of registration code to enable you to download it from the console to your handheld for free. They will have some sort of safety measure in place, after all...
(keep in mind: I've based this largely upon the "like brothers" phrase of mr. Iwata, detailing the shared environment for both handheld and home console devices that NX is supposedly going to be)
If all of this is the best thing since sliced bread and they market it right this time, I think that they can easily get away with $350 - $399 for the home console, $180 - $225 for the handheld and around $499 - $535 for a bundle with a game added because people will then want to have an NX.
Go Nintendo marketing, GO!!! (and give us one more Direct detailing some NX and Zelda U stuff BEFORE the next E3 so that can be all about the games, for cryin' out loud... )
Thank the gods!
@TheRealThanos "one more Direct"
Early May. They need to spend the next 3 weeks convincing people to spend $60 on yet another remake of the original Starfox, this one with wonky hard to learn controls.
E3 is mid June this year 14-16, so even mid-May would give them some time to talk up the hardware before unveiling games at E3. And I do think unveiling hardware at E3 is too late for launching this year. I know it's only a month difference, but you need to get people excited about the hardware leading up to E3 so they can get excited about the games at E3. Sony is already selling pre-orders of $400 PSVR for October so none of those people will be buying an NX this year.
But I'm not sure what to do about Zelda U? Finally after a year of nothing showing Zelda U in the same ND as announcing the NX is just too stupid, even for Ntinedo. Who would be talking about Zelda after we finally hear about NX? Unless of course it's on both, then they can show it. But if it's ONLY on NX and the U version is cancelled, well that's more bad blood form Ntinedo fans, and that would diminish any good NX news. They really should have been showing Zelda U all along, I still think you build up expectations too much with such a long hiatus, only way to go is down. Though going down is better than going away under a barrage of NX news. So I just don't know about Zelda anymore, dual release seems the only way.
@rjejr The only niggle that I myself have is that although I hope and expect that there will be a pre-E3 Direct giving us a first look at the NX, that likely won't reach it's entire intended audience: Directs are obviously for existing Nintendo gamers, but to sell the new device(s), the whole world needs to know, and not just people that are already familiar with and watch Nintendo Directs.
P.S.
Let me know how the Dreamcast parlor trick works out if you're going to try it...
@TheRealThanos My backlog is such that I have no time for parlor tricks of any sort.
And I wouldn't worry about the ND not reaching an audience. Once they announce it as "NX Direct" with 3 days notice word will spread. I'd say the greatest problem will be the amount of people trying to stream it will crash it and then we'll never find out anything.
hmm, kind of makes me wonder if they will wait until E3 to have a ready made audience? I think that's a bad idea so they probably will wait. If they do wait until E3 for an NX hardware reveal it better be live on stage so people can try out the controller like they did w/ the 3DS chained to the booth babes.
@rjejr "3DS chained to the booth babes"?
I have no memory of that. Now all I can think of is "is that a stylus in your pocket or are you just happy to see me"...
As for the Dreamcast test: aren't you the least bit curious if it will work for you too? I would definitely be, backlog or not (still have a huge one myself) and toasting a cd takes all of 5 minutes...
Anyway, it's almost Easter so we're gonna do some fancy dining over here and have a few days of leisure time and not worry about fake controllers, Zelda U or the upcoming E3 and a possible lack of a Nintendo Direct in the run-up to that...
@TheRealThanos "I have no memory of that."
Seriously? Once you've seen that it's something that sticks with you.
You can jump ahead to the 7:00 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa5mPHFOg8A
Enjoy your Easter weekend.
People are falling for this? The YouTube video is obviously fake, the original picture is real.
@rjejr Yup, that's definitely no stylus...
You too. Go easy on the eggs...
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