It's the end of an era in the Nintendo game mod community, in particular for the Super Smash Bros. community. Project M, the mod project that originally aimed to bring Melee content and mechanics into the Wii's Brawl, has shut down. For some Nintendo's last-gen effort was a let-down in the changes it made, so the team of volunteers that spent the last five years on Project M were fondly regarded within a community that downloaded various builds millions of times.
Project M has always been intriguing; on the one hand it's a game mod and, typically, these get shut down quickly by Nintendo. Yet despite Nintendo being against the project in principle it never formally forced it down with cease and desist orders. The mod even featured relatively prominently in the competitive Smash Bros. scene for a period, too.
The release of Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and its rise in terms of competitive popularity did see Project M get pushed to the side in this scene, and no doubt Nintendo's formal involvement in various events also ended any prospect of Project M still featuring. It still continued to develop and have a lot of fans, though, with its most recent and final build coming out in Autumn / Fall.
In any case, the conclusion of Project M is certainly final, with the official website now simply linking to a concluding message, an excerpt of which is below.
We realize that this will come as a shock to many of our fans. Please, forgive us. Again, it's been an excruciating call to make, but it's been made a bit easier by our satisfaction with the previous and final release, v3.6. We've spent six years polishing Project M, and rather than let it drag on through another several years of dwindling development and change-fatigue in the competitive circle, we're going to consider our work complete.
In the mean time, we plan to be hard at work on new projects, built from the ground up. We can't spill the beans just yet, but know that we're looking towards a fresh start with brand new designs. Rather than splitting our focus, many of us want to dedicate ourselves to this new venture fully. In this way, we hope to maintain the level of quality and professionalism you've come to expect from us.
There's no mention of this move being prompted by action from Nintendo, and we think it's fair to accept that's not the case. If Nintendo was going to aggressively target Project M it would have done so long before now, so it seems that the team behind the game has decided that it's genuinely time to move on.
Will we ever see another mod that gains such popularity and prominence? It's unlikely. Project M certainly made its mark on the world of Smash Bros.
With thanks to Knuckles for the heads up.
[source projectmgame.com]
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Though I never personally used it, I wonder how my initiated friends will feel about this new.
Sad. It was a really well made mod, that had a lot of passion put into it. A lot of people see it as only "Brawl with Melee game mechanics", but it was much more than that. That was the intent at first, but as the time went on, they started shifting their focus to other things. Such as making a gazillion really well crafted character costumes, making new stages and bringing back old ones, brought back old characters from the ground up, new music, new modes, etc. It was a great effort, so it's sad to see it go.
I wish them the best in their future endeavors.
Never played it but I saw a ton of what Project M did and was impressed by all of the effort put into it. Really liked the alternate costumes.
By moving on, they stop any risk of unintentionally making the mod worse. I hope the team fairs well in the future and just hope the part of the fanbase that loved Project M can accept this decision they made.
Despite good ol' PAL region never getting this gem, I can feel for those who looked forward to more updates. I mean, these guys basically bridged the gap between Melee and Brawl with a mod born out of pure love for the franchise, the fanbase, and the characters. (Look up their alternate costumes to see what I'm talking about.) Definitely not the Smash news I was hoping December to start off with. Hopefully the official side of things will cheer up us Smash fans as soon as possible.
Also, best of luck to the PM devs for whatever their future project is. Hopefully they'll get to develop official games on their own, much like the creator of Batman Doom went on to create Rock Of Ages.
@AlexSora89 I can understand a double-post, but a sextuple-post?!
@AlexSora89 Yes, please calm down on the reply button or else the ham is spammed!
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As for PM, never used it, sounded a bit interesting to use however I'm fine with 4, that's all I really need.
@AlexSora89 Or how Toby Fox went from making a Halloween-themed Earthbound mod to a critically acclaimed RPG known as Undertale?
Thanks for the support over here in Europe as well you guys!
Oh wait..........
For Europe, nothing of value was lost!
Well, that's stupid. They wasted 6 years of their life only to delete it and fade away into obscurity.
meh
not really a loss for me.
i played it, but Smash 4 is just a lot better.
@Undead_terror
@allav866
Apologies. NintendoLife's been acting screwy with me today.
@allav866
I don't know if that is sarcasm, but I'm not a fan of Undertale due to it becoming the next Five Nights At Freddy's in terms of overexposure.
Geez, this is slow news, like from this morning. Quick, get Slowpoke.
Never played it. It seemed cool, but when a new smash game comes out after the 6 year wait that this filled, of course people moved on.
@AlexSora89 Just because a game is popular, doesn't mean it's a bad game... I wouldn't say Undertale is the next FNAF, but I can agree that FNAF deserves less than half the attention it got.
Hope they make their own game. It's clear they'd do quite well with it.
Well, so much for those rumors about Knuckles and Lyn...best of luck to the team on whatever comes next for them.
@AlexSora89 Er...what @allav866 said.
Basically they'll never release the pal version they promised, kind of a letdown but oh well.
Sorry to the fans of it and the hard workers, but I hope the super competitive scene focus more on the real games now. I've been a big fan of the series since the N64, but never felt connected to this one (or most of the 'Smash scene' for whatever reason)
And yet, no europeans ever saw the light.
This was the mod that actually got be back into Smash in the first place. It all just seen so sudden too; I can't be sad enough to see it go forever now esspecially when it was evolving into more than Brawl with Melee physics. I guess I'll just play a few matches of turbo mode, probably one of my favorite thing the Project M team did and wish Sakurai would add to Smash 4.
What the hell is that about?! If the team wants to conclude the project, that's fine, but what's up with taking down the entire project just like that?
That said, I'll continue playing PM, since it offers far more of everything than any other Smash game (well, except for some lore, that is).
I really dislike their shutting down the downloads. The modification was excellent. I even played the mod quite a few times!
I can understand their development issues, though; having a project in development limbo is not exactly a pleasant idea, especially when the source dried up. I prefer having a 'final' release than just wait forever.
For me, Project M beats out Smash 4, is more balanced than Melee, and refined Brawl to how it should have been. The developers have publicly said this was not due to legal action on Nintendo's part, such as a cease and desist order. However...
Nintendo has made every effort to stamp out Project M at every turn. They've gotten Twitch to ban Project M from being streamed; they've abused the Digital Millennium Copyright Act to pressure Google/Youtube into preventing Project M from being streamed or monetized; they have pressured professional tournaments into not hosting Project M (even smaller ones like Apex, which did host it in 2014, but once Nintendo became a sponsor for 2015, it suddenly disappeared from the lineup... Hm, I wonder why); they've adamantly deleted any links to Project M on social media outlets; they have suspended and banned people from Miiverse by claiming users are engaging in "criminal activity" just for even posting the phrase "Project M", and in some cases even for posting the abbreviation "PM", even though that's used for other titles such as Paper Mario; and they constantly contest the legality of mods like Project M, even though a legitimate copy is needed to boot it through the encouraged hackless method.
The Project M developers deny it, but I and many others have every reason to believe Nintendo had something to do with this. In the words of their response to posts critical of Nintendo's possible role in this: "We haven't gotten any cease and desists, and we'd like it to stay that way." They were working towards the version 3.7 patch, and until last week were giving updates on it. I suspect that Nintendo may have had an opening to close in on them, and got too close for the Project M team's comfort.
For anyone who still wants to download it, using the Wayback Machine site will open the door to the now defunct Project M game site pages. Nintendo can't prevent that, at least.
If you still wanna give it a try, there is mediafire link on reddit. Just google "Project M 3.6 mirror"
Aww man, I hadn't downloaded version 3.6 yet. I hope my friends have it or I´m stuck to 3.5.
@MajinCubyan
Thanks, I want to have it myself and not just play it at my friends place.
@Luffymcduck Not a problem. I do what I can to help my friends and neighbors.
@MajinCubyan
You're a true friendly neighborhood MajinCubyan.
It's a good thing I already have it downloaded, I recommend anyone to play it if they got a 2gb SD Card (or hombrew) as it's a nice modification to Brawl. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to find Project M somewhere since you can never truly remove something off the internet.
A dark dark day, especially for us europeans who never got the PAL version this game deserved. Let's just hope that whatever the team does, they'll have fun doing it and I'd be surprised if it didn't turn out to be a Smash Bros. game just with other characters - like Rivals of Aether.
Glad I downloaded it just a few weeks ago.
I never used it because I'm addicted to Smash Wii U and 3DS, but wonder how some of my friends will react.
I'm not nitpicky enough about those games to ever find a relevant difference between Melee, Brawl and SSB4 gameplay. Whatever. Just play the originals, they're good enough and accessible.
@rushiosan That's not being 'not nitpicky', that's being blind.
Wow, this is saddening. Feels like a part of Smash has just died... good luck, Ex-Project M team.
@RogueBologna That makes sense for the future, but it still seems a little bit TOO sudden to be just for that reason right at this moment. They were enthusiastically working on v3.7, which would have probably been the final or second to final patch, and now they suddenly provide a showstopper statement through a lawyer. Nintendo must have made a move on them in some way.
Also, your avatar is giving me... mixed emotions.
While it's melee-like technicalites and speed of that mod isn't really my preferred playstyle, the impact and continued support throughout the years was nothing to be sneezed at and I think it's such a shame that they had to close down the site.
Aw well. Here's wishing them luck to their future endevors.
This situation is extremely convoluted, as denial from the Project M dev team of their being a possible C&D from Nintendo has further complicated the matter. If it was truly time for the dev team to "move on" as the article said, then posting galleries of new costumes for characters in the next patch they were planning to release is quite contradictory. Why post them in the first place if it was time to move on? Also, evidence suggests that this quitting was decided suddenly within the last 3 days.
Here is a link to a reddit post that compiles all of the strange happenings that relate to the team's quitting of development. It is a good read and is very informative to what is happening at the moment. @RogueBologna @PlywoodStick might find this helpful.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBPM/comments/3v4jca/investigation_and_ruminating_amalgamating_current/
So...turns out that Knuckles, Lyn, Isaac and Sami were real...time to go cry, knowing that they'll never come to fruition.
So, about Knuckles, Lyn, Isaac, Sami, those costumes and the PAL release...
It would be great if you could finish them before abandoning the best Smash game.
@Sakuraichu
My friend just sent me a link for downloading Knuckles and Lyn. Haven't checked that further yet because I thought they´re still unfinished... I don't know, I'm just sad that Project-M won't have new updates but I wish the best of luck for their new project.
Oh. That's sad. I used to play it while I was waiting for Smash 4 to come out. Had a lot of fun. Shame to see it go even though I don't play it anymore.
@Blakenator Many possibilities. The one about Nintendo bringing in the Project M team to handle future patches for Smash 4 (or future projects) sounds too good to be true, though.
@PlywoodStick I wouldn't call this a better game than smash 4 for the main reason that it is brawl with melee physics (at least that's how it felt to me). Smash 4 is a much more solid entry as it appeals to both sides: the melee hardcore fanbase and the more casual brawl community; everything just falls into place spectacularly.
It's very sad that it was canceled.
But on the bright side, someone leaked Knuckles & Lyn (and Isaac?)
@NintendoFan64 Knuckles (basically done), Lyn (decent but would need polishing), and a very early Isaac are all playable in the leaked version of the dev build.
I'm actually really sad about this. PM was probably one of the best mods of a game out there. Glad to see the competitive community not giving up hope and still playing, though, and I wish the PMDT luck for whatever their next project is.
Aw, that's a shame. It's a great mod, although I wish they had taken some cues from Smash 4 such as giving Charizard Dragon Rush. Oh, well. I just need to find a place where I can download the last version.
Rest In Peace PAL version.
@Luffymcduck
Isaac and Sami are also playable in that leaked build, although incredibly unfinished.
There's a new team working on fixing them at http://reddit.com/r/newpmdt
@Sakuraichu
Even if they're unfinished I would still like to try them. Time to start installing stuff.
@Luffymcduck Sami requires renaming Snake.
@Sakuraichu
Do I have to rename other characters too for examble Knuckles over Sonic?
@KingDunsparce I know. I heard. @Sakuraichu Can't wait for the finished product!
They could at least have posted it to Github... so that development might continue in the future.
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