Langrisser Re:Incarnation Tensei Dated For a 19th April Release in the West

Doesn't look like it can compete Fire Emblem.

I tell you, from the time TRPG genre has started, Fire Emblem seems to be the definitive experience to play this sort of genre. Why can't other games force player to actually care about the units the way that Fire Emblem does it? Sure, Final Fantasy Tactics, Valkyria Chronicles do it but for wrong reasons. Tactics forces you to level up a unit inorder to make him/her powerful so you're better off keeping your units alive or else you have to grind another unit all over again. Chronicles requires certain units to die inorder to get more units and all but few barely have any charm.

Knowing @arronishere will say to try out other games, the fact that I didn't enjoy Tactics and Chronicles overall makes me doubtful if other games except Fire Emblem can perfect this genre. I really want this genre to stay alive and break that niche barrier.

No. Just...no.

I had played Langrisser games before, but some guy posted the first hour of gameplay on YouTube and wow those battle animations suck badly, 2 chibby "things" meet at the center of the battle zone and do some clunky animations, and that's it. This is honestly no match for Fire Emblem, it used to be...but these animations look like SNES era at best, it's ok to try to bring out the nostalgia factor sometimes, but this is ridiculous. It'd be ok if this was some indie release on the eShop for $9.99, but if they plan to release this as a $39.99 game...just, no.

"Better watch out, Fire Emblem"

You're kidding right? Even if the series has somewhat gone down hill with Shadow Dragon, 12, Awakening, and Fates, the new Langrisser on 3DS is POOP compared to it.

Depends on how it plays out, Langrisser has always looked dated. But its a very different game (at least 1,2,DL, 4, 5 were). You usually have longer battles with the PC's being super powered general units, and between 4-10 extra army units that you use. The scale is vastly increased (1000s of units sometimes are on a given map).

I recommend trying out Warsong (the first one), or via emulation: Der Langrisser (enhanced SNES remake of the 2nd one) and Langrisser IV.

@Socar Some Super Robot Wars fans may argue whether Fire Emblem is definitive enough as a 'bond with your troops' TRPG, although unless you're playing the Original Generations saga, it cheats a bit by relying on your attachment to the animes used for each particular episode.

Also, the leveling and killing problems you've mentioned have existed in FE's past as well, and in a few ways, FEA still retains them, sad as it may be from a game design standpoint.

Very happy for this announcement. Can't wait for the game!

The early games were better than their Fire Emblem counterparts and I loved Warsong as it was known here on the mega drive. Unfortunately I have no clue if the latest games are anywhere near that standard today

@Socar you realise @ing me gets my attention right so you can't blame me for making a counter point to your usual 'only nintendo games matter, 3rd parties must die' stuff.

@Noelemahc But atleast its done in a game feel standpoint. I never wanted any of my units to die in Fire Emblem and yeah while few of them are average, they are still decent. I guess its more of the tactical approach that makes me feel that Fire Emblem does that really well.

@Socar Have you played Disgaea though?

LANGRISSER UPDATE! Also available digitally for EU and Asia (Hong Kong, Taiwan & Korea) on 04/19/16

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Funny how the article claims that this game might kill Fire Emblem instead of Street Fighter V......the thought is really scary......especially in the western market.......

@AVahne Shadow Dragon was the first game on the NES - just saying - it would make sense that you thought it was limited - cuz it was.

Mildly off-topic but... I've always considered the likes of Fire Emblem and FF Tactics (or its spiritual predecessor and overall better game Tactics Ogre) to be different sub-genres. Strategy and Tactical; guess the major difference being whether or not facing is a feature in the game (no for FE, yes for FFT, TO).

That being said, I can enjoy both though both tend to cause me undue stress. Still more 3DS content is always a good thing. And competition for stuff like FE is always a good thing.

@AVahne
Downhill with Awakening? I thought that was the best handheld entry in the series.

@AVahne I still don't get why you say Awakening or Fates are downhill. Fates isn't even here yet, and Awakening is a great game, with a lot of depth and personality. Certainly up from the Gameboy games. I do agree with the Shadow Dragon remake, and partially with New Mystery of the Emblem, but I'd dare say Awakening is the 2nd best Fire Emblem, behind Radiant Dawn. The story was pretty in line with most other Fire Emblem games, and it felt a lot more involved, and had a lot more character development, and great music. Not meaning to argue of course, but I really feel Awakening is the series going back uphill, not down.

Welcome back Langrisser.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBMYnjWBpIM

This game has absolutely nothing on Fire Emblem. If you go into it with any expectations you'll be disappointed.

I watched some gameplay and a user review- this game is absolutely HORRID. Huge sprawling maps and you only fight on one tiny corner of it. While map just wasting space. Sometimes takes 2-3 turns just to get within range of other team. Both allies and enemies show up as red dots (ran out of colors?). Horrible Chibi animations, total guesswork for everything you do. Using a seal to class up? Won't know the effects until you use it. Wanna buy armor? Won't know the stats til after you buy it. 100 little things like that. I love SRPG's, but I won't be touching this game with a 10 foot pole.

@xPH03N1Xx86
Exactly. Been saying this repeatedly. Awakening was a fantastic game- so much improved over the GBA entries. Which IMO, were the cream of the crop aside from Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn.

As far as Awakening is concerned, the story was better, you grew more attached to the characters, had better and more rounded difficulty options, better visual style, more interesting mechanics (like pairing which was brilliant)... I could go on and on.

It was just a dang good game all around. But Fates looks like the best yet. I fully expect Fates to top Awakening and the Radiance games.

Shining Force games need remade (all of them) , as do Dragon Force and Growlanser. All amazing games for mostly Saturn, which was the system that very very few gamers got to enjoy.

@AVahne 'gone down hill' ...lol, um, whatever.

Shining Force 2 is the best Fire Emblem game ever made.

you dawgs are funny how the hype has taken over your mind , Nearly all fire emblems suck or well at least overrated and hyped to a neutral gamer . The battle system and gameplay of these games are for addictive personalities who prefer stat grinding and repeat over anything else. The gba versions were unique and different at the time but that was then and this is now let go of the past and move on try something new most hyped doesnt mean best.

@bloodycelt Your description reminded me of FE: Genealogy of the Holy War with its large-scale maps, and multiple enemy armies on a map. Is that the closest Fire Emblem to Langrisser?

@ThrowMeBarrel I agree. Awakening and now Fates was definitely hyped more than past GBA games, mostly because we've been bombarded with news blog posts. Awakening didn't scratch my itch as well as the GBA ones did, but I can't quite put my finger on why.

@ollietaro look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y0aMm2Yasg
I've only played the GC, Wii, and the 3DS Fire Emblem games, but FE as a whole seems more similar to Tactics Ogre/FF Tactics (or conversely they are similar to FE).
The classic Langrisser series (1-2,4-5) is not like any other tactical RPG I can think of.

Langrisser has ALWAYS been a fan favorite of mine, but after watching videos of this upcoming game in the series, I'm seriously wondering where their heads are at. Langrisser does not need 3D battles, knights riding f'n motorcycles (Yes, you sadly heard me right) or any of that silliness to remain relevant. That's NOT what the series was about. It was about EPIC story-telling, great long-lasting fights and yes, even that silly looking grid to keep everything nice and tidy. I'd PREFER that we get the games that we missed (Hell, even a RE-TRANSLATED version of Langrisser I would be NICE). Honestly, if Re:Incarnation isn't any better than what I've already seen in my horror, then why bother bringing it back at all? Seriously, who came up with that silliness?

Continuing with my last message, I will arguably buy Langrisser Re:Incarnation ONLY if it gives the new owners the impression that YES we want more of our beloved series, but I DO NOT want anymore Knights on Motorcycles or 3D battles! Take it back to its origins or please just let us have the original games instead.

What are the chances are that we could actually GET the REMAKES that were done on the PC-Engine and PC-FX from these new owners? NCS/Masaya made them but it sounds like they're under new ownership. Is there ANY chance we might ACTUALLY see a Langrisser Collection after all this time?

@bloodycelt I'd LOVE to play Warsong again... but NONE of the Genesis emulators could run it properly... and I don't think I'd want to buy a Genesis just to play it again...

I wish Steam would ask around for the PC copies of Langrisser I-IV so maybe they could release translated copies of them that don't look so ancient... and are much more true to their Japanese counterparts.

@Ralek85 We're getting it the same day. IGN confirmed it, although it looks like Aksys has done nothing to improve it whatsoever...

@reionpremente I actually recently bought the japanese 1,2,4 and 5 on PC Engine, PC-FX, and Saturn.

I suspect if they did bring them over it would be the PC versions.

@bloodycelt I'd really have no problem with that just as long as we get MORE.

@bloodycelt How could we ask Steam to look into getting them though? And I sure as hell don't want Aksys translating them... I'd much rather have Atlus doing it.

Maybe we're all worried about nothing... maybe the 3DS game won't be AS bad as people are suggesting... one could hope at least.

@bloodycelt So, despite this game looking silly, it's not as bad as they're saying? That's a relief... Although, I really wish if Extreme/Masaya REALLY wanted people to enjoy Langrisser for what it is, they should've at least tried a bit harder on the presentation here. The music is pretty good but the SD fighting scenes just seem... well, TOO over the top and NOT what the original series was about. It was a serious contender on the SRPG scene and this clearly acts like they're poking fun at themselves rather than taking themselves seriously.

@ThrowMeBarrel Hmmm... I don't know what you're talking about... I love Fire Emblem just as much as Langrisser... they're just DIFFERENT. They're not the same style of SRPG game and they don't try to be. If you don't like them, you don't have to buy them.

I just like that in Langrisser, there are actually multiple ways to get to a mutual goal something even Warsong could've used that it sadly lacked. Fortunately, Der Langrisser and the others all seem to have multiple ways to solve problems and get different outcomes much like Fire Emblem does now. They just tell it differently.