Ever since its announcement for the Japanese arcade scene Pokkén Tournament has been closely followed by Pokémon and fighting game fans. Unofficial efforts have often pitched 'mon against each other in crude efforts, but the flashy Bandai Namco-developed release caused quite an online buzz. Of course, its status as an arcade placed it into niche and unobtainable categories for many.
Considering the decent but ultimately humble visuals of the arcade, thoughts of fans naturally turned to a potential Wii U version - for some it was a no-brainer. Why wouldn't it come to Wii U?
There were doubts of course, simply because of the Wii U's sales performance. We've been at the stage, probably for around 12-18 months, where plenty of studios and even Nintendo would have re-assessed projects for the system. It's only logical that some development cycles in their early phases will have been dropped, or potentially diverted to the still-mysterious 'NX'. Wii U momentum has improved, yes, but its sales levels have remained so modest that even GameCube lifetime sales look like a challenging target - games like Super Mario 3D World (late 2013) and Mario Kart 8 (May 2014) helped when a big push was still taking place, but didn't lead to an explosion of hardware sales. The tipping point to truly bring the Wii U into the retail contest on a mainstream level didn't quite happen.
As a result apparent no-brainers like Pokkén Tournament remained as doubts, with its arcade release in Japan this summer bringing little encouragement aside from the potential for trial runs in some select Western arcade chains. In the end, thankfully, The Pokémon Company evidently just wanted a grand occasion, confirming a Spring 2016 release during the Pokémon World Championships.
With a big announcement comes the question, which we've seen here on the site and around the web - is this the Wii U saviour? The short answer is 'probably not', but that needs context. It could potentially be a solid sales success, and will surely help to shift some Wii U systems, but 'saving' the Wii U was something that needed to happen a while ago - that's how we see it, in any case.
One needs only look at Nintendo's modest sales targets for the console, of just 3.4 million units in a 12 month period, to have a reasonable idea of where the system's placed in the market. While it's not unknown for systems to toil early on and recover late, the Wii U's slow progress has been particularly punishing, while key games to tempt more adopters are limited in number and coming almost exclusively from Nintendo and its closest partners. As we've argued before, there are some exciting games on the way for Wii U owners, but in the big, mean world of video game retail they're unlikely to prompt sudden dramatic surges in hardware sales - at least not to PS4 and Xbox One levels.
We ran some polls recently on these topics, and the majority are excited about Pokkén Tournament but aware of its limitations in lifting the Wii U. A combined 60%+ shared the fact they were hyped to varying degrees and planning to buy the game, but 56% answered the following when asked to consider whether it'll be a sales success - "Yes, but I don't think it'll sell too many extra Wii U systems".
With that acceptance in mind, the Bandai Namco fighter will possibly have a clean run as the Wii U game to be excited about in Spring 2016. While the first part of 2016 is relatively well served on 3DS, the Wii U has had little lined up so far, with the weirdly named Genei Ibun Roku #FE joining Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games with 2016 release dates, and The Legend of Zelda sitting on a TBC status. Without Pokkén Tournament, frankly, 2016 would be looking particularly grim at this stage.
In positive news for the Wii U version and the intentions of The Pokémon Company, meanwhile, it was pleasing to see the recent Pokkén Tournament Invitational (albeit they seemed to be playing on a special arcade unit), streamed live online and featuring eight competitors including some well-known fighting game pros. A final between Rip and Justin Wong was keenly fought and, even with the players having relatively little practice, was showcasing what the fighter was all about. It boded well for the potential depth of the game's mechanics, while also raising hope that there's a desire to try and develop the title's presence in the competitive gaming scene. Looking long term, potential success and enough desire from the public could see a new franchise potentially get well established.
Pokkén Tournament's upcoming arrival on Wii U, then, will hopefully achieve a few things - first of all it'll give Nintendo a quality game to highlight for Wii U in early 2016. Secondly, it could indeed be a sales success, tempting some (probably in modest numbers) to finally pick up a Wii U. Finally, it'll be a nice treat for fans, who'd been fearing that this new diversion of the Pokémon brand would be restricted to arcades in Japan. Hopefully, assuming porting costs are reasonably low, it'll prove to be a win-win for all concerned.
It's exciting and something to look forward to, then - just beware chatter of it 'saving' the Wii U. It'll help, but Nintendo's sales goals for the system are modest; we should take our cue from that, at least.
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I saw the Pokken Tournament stream. The game looks great. I really hope we get a few more playable characters!
this game is so cool, so why wouldn't it give the welcome boost
More characters please but do not make us pay money for good characters as DLC
Day one buy. This is the next Splatoon and Mario Kart if its done right.
Can't you just drop the save the WiiU-crap? Nothing's gonna save the WiiU - it's gonna be a modest seller like the N64 and GC. Most of us who own it, love it - the rest of the world don't care.
Next chance for Nintendo to get a hit is the NX - probably a slightly upgraded WiiU "docking" with a "core" you can bring with you and play on the go - that's my guess. Hopefully supporting the 3DS carts and all your eShop purchases. It might also support some sort of Android to run apps - we'll see.
I think Nintendo won't ever have a big hit if they don't drop the "unique hardware"-approach - make a box that's easy to port PS4 and XB1 games to, otherwise they'll always be a niche developer for the core fans. It's the IPs and high-quality games that sell, not the gimmicky HW.
Anyways, please drop the saving-talk, it's just click-bait and it's getting real old!
Edit: Oh, and I'm getting this day one "for the kids"...
People saying the Wii U is dead already are ridiculous. Releases like this prove otherwise. Although I don't see why this wasn't released during E3. This would've had people talking.
"early 2016"
Spring is March 20 - June 20 next year. Not sure how early this game will be released in the west, my guess is June - so certainly not "early" 2016. If it were going to be out in "early" 2016 they would have said winter.
No single game was or is going to save the Wii U. Maybe several big games at once, or at least in close succession, but the system has needed a serious price cut for awhile now to sell. It will have been out 3 years in November, launched at $299, still $299. Compare that to Xbox, launched at $500, soon dropped to $400, then $350, now $400 w/ a 1TB HDD. All w/in about 18 months. THAT's how you sell systems. Something isn't selling at it's current price, cut the price. See 3DS.
At this point, I'm going to agree with @rjejr. A price cut could have saved the Wii U. It should have been done a year ago for 150-200$.
Looks good and I think it will do well. I think we're definitely due a Nintendo direct soon! Hopefully it'll iron out some concerns
@rjejr
LOL you posted while I was typing my post. Coincidence! Really, you haven't posted yet while I thought of your constant call for a price drop.
@MrGuinea not dead no, but certainly currently looking over the will, tying up loose ends, taking time for quiet contemplation. Musing over regrets, giving thanks for the good times. Looking at old photo albums with a smile....
I'm not sure if it will sell well, but I'm fairly certain this is gonna be a similar case to Hyrule Warriors. It's going to sell well enough, but not outstandingly well, and while it will have a small following, most people will quickly get bored of it and sell or stuff it away after short amount of time.
Hell, I'd say if this game was more than shallow fanservice, it would actually garner more attention. But except for the characters' appearance, nothing about this game has anything to do with Pokémon at all, which I as a huge Pokémon fan find very lazy. Exchange the Pokés with human characters, (or Naruto characters, if you want it really easy) and it would still fit. That's bad design for you.
Additionally, this game already failed in what it's trying to be: a fighter. It's unbalanced, repetitive, and spam-heavy, almost Hisouten (a Touhou fighter with heavy focus on prohectiles) levels of spam-heavy.
@rjejr See PS4 for a counterexample. 400$ launch price, never officially reduced, still doing well after about 2 years.
Nintendo doesn't need a price cut, they need games that actually raise massive attention. The one slim chance they have is Zelda, but with the heavy delay, even that is questionable. And even then, they still have a good chance to miss the marketing part yetvagain.
@MrGuinea it is dead dear. 1 or 2 games as A++ titles doesn't do much doesn't it
I guess nobody is allowed to just release a game for the Wii U, it has to "save" the system or "turn things around". Thanks @Spideron these "stories" are getting old.
Once Reggie said at E3 they will be talking new hardware next year, that was it for me in wondering how it would end as that moment ended it. Nintendo has moved on to 2016 plans that involve hardware that isn't branded WiiU. I don't think any game can help the Wii U to momentum when Nintendo has shifted gears. It's seriously a competitive market and every product absolutely needs full, 110% promise from the company making it, that can't be stressed enough. Nintendo is talking what's next, fans are a talking what's next, sales momentum is done.
Buying this asap, the gameplay feels great, if only i could get the controlelr from the arcade machine
I wonder how it will turn out in sales, better than smash bros? I could see the future of this game will be good, but I can't guarantee it will be amazing and successful considering other games. The Wii U probably can't do anything at this point because it started off badly, and it is viewed as a bad console by many. Lemme see the sales:
Splatoon - 1.13 million
Mario Kart 8 - 5.01 million
Smash Bros. Wii U - 3.49 million (not considering 3DS)
Smash Bros. was more hyped than Mario Kart 8 but the Wii U version sold less than Mario Kart 8. MK8 sold half of the Wii U sold while smash 4 sold bit less than 1/3rd... pretty disappointing. This game will probably end up very hyped but not expected sales. We thought Smash Bros. was going to save the Wii U right? I hope Pokken Tournament would but I don't think so... they probably should have waited for NX. Otherwise day one buy for me!
The Wii U is dead after the holidays and nothing will save it.
Bring on the NX!
I'm calling it, Pokken will not even be that much of a boost.
@Cyber-BLP-- That's the Wii U in most places.
I don't think anything will save the Wii U at this point. Even if it does boost hardware sales, all signs still point to a late 2016/early 2017 release for NX so new U owners won't be satisfied for long.
It'll do excellent with the main install base though.
It's getting depressing with everyone saying the Wii U is dead. I don't think Nintendo will have another success like they did with the Wii, it was just a gimmick for most people. I just hope Nintendo give us a more traditional gaming experience with the NX. Am buying Pokken Tournament on day one, let's hope for a special edition.
@DarthNocturnal I'd bet over the past 3 years 3DS games have had far fewer delays than Wii U games. Pikmin 3 took forever. I can't really think of any big 3DS games getting delayed. Projects Guard and Giant Robot are vaporware. Zelda is MIA. And I know they technically dropped the Wii U deluxe price, but from a consumer perspective the system was $300, $350 w/ a game, and then the moved the game into the $300 box. It was less of a price cut, more of a -let's drop the higher price point and put more in the box, b/c the lowest price has always been $300, and that's too high for too long for a game console that barely sells.
@Splatburst That happens to me all the time, my tablet doesn't auto fresh and sometimes it takes me 20 minutes to compose a post if I'm watching TV or something.
@Cyber-BLP-- In the US everything video game related is pretty much sold at MS all the time. Wii U has had a few minor gift card offers and maybe $25 off sporadically, but it's $299. Compared to how Nintendo handledo the 33% 3DS price cut mere months after launch they may as well be raising the Wii U price.
@Kaze_Memaryu PS4 isn't a counter example though, it's selling great, over 25 million in about 18 months, so that's about 2.5x the units in half the time, so they don't cut the price. Why should they? When things sell you don't cut the price, when things don't sell you do cut the price, it's an inverse relationship.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR I think I remember seeing a good bundle picture w/ the game and amino but I don't recall seeing it for the US for sale.
My bigger concern though is wouldn't Mario fans already own a Wii U after NSMBU, Luigi levels and SM3DW?
It's got to have a pretty big roster for it to be the kind of success that Nintendo needs. Ten characters isn't going to cut it.
@TheGreatLord I mentioned this to you already in the Smash thread on the forums, but just so people reading the comments know, those numbers are inaccurate.
@Alucard83 You must be one of the ridiculous people I mentioned in my comment. It's ok if you think it is, but I have a lot on my roster to play yet and I won't be ignoring this.
I'm looking forward to this, though I doubt it'll give a big boost to the Wii U. The game looks cool, though it's probably not going to sell anywhere near Smash Bros, Splatoon or Mario Kart numbers.
Still, this game should help keep the Wii U ticking along and give Wii U owners new things to do until the NX comes along.
@TheGreatLord
Please remember that Ssb4 wasn't a wii u exclusive, it was also on 3ds. More people had a 3ds and didn't want a wiiu.
Pokken is different, that is a exclusive until they make a 3ds version. I honestly hope they don't because wii u needs better support.
A Christmas release could really have helped, but this will be too late to boost hardware sales I think.
More Pokemon, less Pikachu
No single game has and will save the Wii U. The console is a sales disaster and nothing can change that. What Nintendo can and should be doing right now is introducing new IPs to the market and hope that those new titles can reach enough exposure so a sequel/follow-up on future (and hopefully more popular) consoles and handhelds are more successful. Thus, an new and successful franchise is born.
I fully expect a Splatoon (New) 3DS port and/or Spla2oon for NX once NX is revealed. If Pokken Tournament can sell big numbers (and it should be able to; Pokémon is huge), then future Pokken Tournament titles should (and probably will) be made for NX and other Nintendo hardware platforms.
If this game has fighting inputs like Street Fighter then I have to say that I won't be too interested in this game. Those types of games never really were for me though if it is simplified to where it is a bit more like Smash I may be willing to give it a go.
Save us from talking points, lol!
You know what? It's extremely rare that one game 'saves' a console...Sure there are examples where one game thrusts a console into relevance (IE: Halo on Xbox, Wii Fit/Sports)...but this is usually not the case.
That being said: I am so sick of all the phony controversy around the Wii U and sales. It's become an unhealthy obsession for gamers on the internet, so much so that we have people on this thread claiming Smash is "disappointing" for only selling 3.5 million to a third of the entire console's playerbase. - Huge multi platform games rarely achieve that!
Anyway, this is a welcome addition to the Wii U lineup which has been graced with few, but decent quality fighters so far.
I'm glad it's an actual 3D arena like Bloody Roar rather then another 2.5D like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat.
Welcome boost? Oh yeah, I bet all the kids are talking about this title instead of Mario. Sarcasm
Well thats one game for the Wii U in 2016 lol
Knowing Nintendo it will probably release the same day the NX launches
I have a feeling that this won't sell very well. All I've done is ask friends and glance around at some forums about the game, and from what I can tell there generally isn't a huge hype building up for it. Obviously I could be wrong but that's just what my gut is telling me.
@NightmareEater
Hahah exactly.
A Tekken game featuring an anthropomorphic Pokémon re-skin and we are supposed to believe that there are millions of people who want to play this game, let alone buy a Wii U to do so!?
Haha, some people here are completely delusional....
This is about as niche as a title can get.
Also, lol @ Mario Maker moving systems. As @rjejr already stated, the Wii U already has a number of Mario games that would have enticed people to pick up a system already.
@Spideron
I agree it's the high quality games and IP that sell consoles, HOWEVER, that "gimmicky hardware" as you label it, allows for those games to be better, and provide more unique experiences- fresher experiences that people have not played before. So it's not really a gimmick at all- it is a another tool on the belt- another tool for developers to utilize to create great games. After all, Who would in their right mind want to limit a developers access to tools for them to create?
Will an artist paint a better picture if only limited to seven different colors as opposed to 12? Or if they're limited to just two types of brushes rather than five? Of course not. More tools is always better.
Innovations like the gamepad are there to facilitate a broader range of experiences possible on the system. And quite successfully I might add. How fun wouod Rainbow Curse be without it? How fun would Wii Sports Club Golf be, without the second screen and Wiimote? How fun would Wonderful 101 be without any of the dual screen puzzles or ability to draw unite morphs? Sure it would still be a fun game regardless, but not AS fun. The same can be said for the good majority of games on the system- whether it be streamlining inventory and map access, providing asymmetrical gameplay or dual screen puzzles, or just plain old-fashioned off TV play- The fact is we as gamers get a fuller, more robust and more entertaining gaming experience as a result of that "gimmicky hardware"
So like I said I agree it's the games that count- but the games are confined to the limits of the hardware. And you are going to have radically better gaming experiences with an added screen on the controller then you are without it. You are going to have radically better gaming experiences when developers have the option of utilizing the Wiimote when it makes sense, than you are without.
I really do wish people would stop trying to simplify everything to make the opposing argument harder to be defended. Arguing the second screen is a bad thing is not that easy- and I say it's not easy because logically, why would anyone want less creative options for their games and fewer ways in which to experience games as opposed to more- but when you try to oversimplify it into being nothing more than a "gimmick" it makes it much easier to attack.
That's known as a straw man argument.
I think the main point is, it's a console fighting game that uses pokemon, and not a pokemon console game. It should not be expect to sell as well as a main pokemon game.
@JaxonH
You are just arguing in support of your own opinion though. None of what you state is an objective fact.
You can argue until you are blue in the face about how great you feel the gamepad is, and how it improves certain games, but based on the overwhelming evidence that the general public and consumers have provided (awful hardware sales and complete apathy towards the system), you must, deep down, understand that the vast majority of people don't want/don't care/don't need the Wii U or the gamepad to enjoy games.
@HollywoodHogan
I actually do think it's objective fact.
More creation tools is better than less creation tools. More ways of experiencing games is better than having more confined experiences.
That's pretty objective to me.
Now, I do recognize that many people, for whatever reason, haven't bought a Wii U. However, that was a problem present with Nintendo consoles long before they put a screen on the controller. Nintendo home consoles were on a downward trend ever since the mid 90s, and with the exception of the anomaly known as the Wii, this is simply a continuation of that, not a direct result of the innovation they have brought with the gamepad.
I also think most people, if given the opportunity to experience the gamepad, would have a favorable opinion. Perhaps not enough to sell the system, but it certainly not working AGAINST them. And it is, undeniably, expanding the ways games on the system are experienced. So I really don't see any negatives in there except perhaps the added cost of the system.
So should I be hyped to pick up Devils third this week or what? Drop that review already ! Summer's going by fast that game looks like a good way to send it off, but really holding on for some reviews
@MikeW If a console is dead, it will stop being produced, as will all games for it. Its servers will be shut down and other things the Wii u has yet to see. Iwata said before his death, they are trying to make sure all Wii u owners get their money's worth before shifting the rest of resources to the Nx. The smartest thing to do now is to make sure the Nx comes as late as possibe to ensure it has a strong library of games at launch Without cutting into the Wii u.
@rjejr Remember that one news guy freaking out over Mario Maker. If he had a Wii u he probably would of already heard about it before then. He obviously wanted to make levels as a kid and now his dreams are coming true. That guy isnt alone and he definitely buying a Wii u now.
The reason the Wii U hasn't sold is because the general populus are freaking morons.
@amiiboacid
That was more a figure of speech than anything else!
And yes, I agree with you. Nintendo should keep the Wii U going for a while longer so it doesn't burn bridges with their current install base.
They could surely keep the Wii U chugging along with a few games here and there (SNES Remix, maybe a port of Luigi Mansion Arcade), a price cut and a few more gimmicks (more amiibos).
@ikki5 "That's the Wii U in most places." LMAO!
@freaksloan The reason the Wii U hasn't sold is because the general populus are freaking geniuses! Fixed that for you
And back on topic was there anything released on the Wiiu that was it's savior?
Like anything? Bigger question was this sinking ship even worth saving?
Man I feel you guys were so excited for Pokken you just had all these articles ready for months waiting on the Wii U release announcement.
I like the Wii U, but nothing's going to save it. Deal with it.
@TwilightAngel Well.. it is true, most places sell the Wii U with 2 games... the sad part is, it still isn't selling with basically $120 knocked off the price, even more if you include Nintendo Land. lol
@HollywoodHogan Calling this game "niche" is about as delusional as it gets.
It's a spin-off, so it won't be a strong and hard hitting as people think. I doubt the fighting game core will live up to high standards compared to Tekken or other fighters. It's a 'For Fun' game.
I like my wii u collection but this game isn't going to save it. I for one will not be purchasing this game never cared for the Pokken series to start with, but if Nintendo would release a New open world Mario game or New Metroid Prime game for the Wii U would be a day one purchase no problem. Since Zelda is MIA.
@HollywoodHogan Diggin' the new avatar. Lots of NWO shirts at Summerslam tonight.
@amiiboacid Any game ever releases and you will have some guy freaking out over it. Heck Wii U constantly sells 10k Wii U ever week in Japan w/ no new games releasing. So will people buy a Wii U for SMM? Yes, of course they will. Will it be enough to make a big difference? Probably not.
@rjejr That guy was just the average man, rjejr. Just a regular reporter. Many other people are bound to be like him. Not many to the extent he is, but still quite a few. There was also people watching him, too.
And like you said about the 10k Wii U sales per week thing, its sales are becoming stable. I think when a new game gets sold, the sales momentum will increase. The Wii U just hit 10 million sales, and I think that was the minimum amount many third-parties will develop for. A few games were recently revealed to coming to Wii U. Even if they're a few years late, they were waiting for the Wii U to reach this mile-stone. I think more third-parties are willing to make games for the system. Causing sales momentum to increase.
Their are still people who don't know exactly what the Wii U is, meaning their is still an untapped market and more sales potential left. Mario Maker is revolutionary to gaming's most famous franchise, and is bound to catch headlines and alerting consumers. Even if SMM dosent sell many systems, more people will know about the Wii U. Nintendo delayed the New 3DS in the U.S. because the old one didn't reach it's sales potential. They're likely to take their time on the Nx. I'll say the Wii U will get at good 15-20 million sales.
@amiiboacid
If you ever want to change your username in the future, I think a good name for you would be 'RoseTintedGlasses'.
Another article about how poor the wiiu is Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
The console is fantastic the problem is some people just arent open to checking it out. This game looks fantastic and i will pre-order it the moment its available to do so.
Well, something to look forward to on the Wii U. I'll keep an eye on this.
The game looks great and fulfills a lifelong dream of being able to actually physically maneuver Pokemon in combat. If marketed right I can see many of the young and young at heart, picking this up.
Of course they'd better expand the roster. Would like to see Mewtwo and others show up, but I'm already committed to a day one purchase for this.
The talks of this "saving" the Wii U are just LOL. People keep harping like Pokemon on home consoles is a big deal but sales of console Pokemon games have hardly shown that to be the case. The best selling one is still the first Stadium game and it's been all downhill since. These occasional Poke-ventures on the home console front are of no more relevance than the Ranger and Mystery Dungeon games.
That said, I am looking forward to Pokken Tournament... just as soon as Greninja is confirmed in the lineup.
Nintendo fans (part of them) need to stop being delusional about sales boost. This is not happening, it did not happen (or slightly happened) with major titles (Mario Kart 8, SMB), so it won't be a Pokemon spin-off to "save the day".
WiiU sold and will sell poorly compared to other consoles, just accept that.
The only one that could have partially saved the console was ZeldaU, but since it was delayed and will probably be released close to NX release too, I won't see many people jumping on the WiiU train, they will likely wait a bit more to see how the NX is and they will probably grab Zelda there, the port to new console is almost inevitable.
@Kaze_Memaryu you are being very silly
This game looks fantastic!!!
Thanks for this game Nintendo, we all appreciate it.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR
MK8, Smash Bros and SM3DW all got massive daily coverage on IGN, were featured on late night TV, had TV commercials and were discussed on news reports as well.
None of those games 'saved' the Wii U either.
Mario Maker will be no different.
Save the Wii U people keep saying.. How about saving my wallet from all these EPIC releases coming out !
@amiiboacid - " and I think that was the minimum amount many third-parties will develop for."
10 mill was probably the minimum amount for year 1, not year 3. Xbox One did 10 mil it's first year and people were treating that system like it was doing poorly, so Microsoft quickly cut the price $100, then another $50 cut for the holidays. And now that Nintnedo has mentione NX, peopel will be looking forward to that.
And even if Wii U hits 15 million - which it probably will - Wii hit 100 million, that's a loss of 85%. Gamecube sold 22 million and it's widely known that Ntineod once said anything less than that would be considered a failure.
@MarioWiiU Care to elaborate? The blank notion doesn't really give me an idea of what made you tell me that.
Not looking for a "savior" as I got my money's worth (day one owner) just more games, which Nintendo is delivering. So I'm good. Already working on my stick design for Pokken.
You know, I played this game back at Worlds and I've gotta say, For me atleast, I actually now want a Wii U just to play this game. I had alot of fun playing this. Despite my Pikachu getting rekt by Mega Charizard... -_-
@rjejr A price drop probably wouldn't help much at this point either. I think the price drop might have helped had it been done right around when XBO/PS4 announced their prices. Had they reduced the Basic model to be $199.99 at least it would have helped. Probably the smarter move would to have put the "Deluxe" model at that price. Just remove the pack-in game or replace it with a demo disc from the kiosk. I also might have put out a new model that upped the storage for $249.99 maybe with a pack-in game around that same time.
Anything now feels like it would be just showing the death of the console has come and a fire sale has begun. I would probably be at least trying to undercut the competition on pricing by putting out a Player's Choice or lowering the top tier pricing to $49.99. Even if it would be symbolic at this point.
@Darknyht - "the death of the console has come and a fire sale has begun"
I think that's all Wii U has left to offer, $199 fire sale. I would have been happy w/ smaller drops over the course of it's life, but now they should just make the last ditch effort if they want it to sell. Though I've argued elsewhere they don't even want it to sell anymore, so when they release NX next year they have an excuse.
@rjejr i perfectly agree with you. It seems N is doing the minimum effort to not piss too much the wiiU userbase, and piss them enough to introduce NX asap...
@rjejr I think the gamepad cost is the boat anchor around their neck that prevented any meaningful price drop. It was a high risk move that didn't pay off as technology outpaced them. I love the gamepad for the Off-TV play, but it honestly isn't enough to justify the cost to the console.
In retrospect, I think the Wii U with a Pro Controller in the box, with the gamepad as an accessory that promotes Off-TV play and optional add-ins like Smartglass might have found better success in the market. Then the console could have been competitively priced and the gamepad would have been the niche thing it has turned the console into.
@arnoldlayne83 - I think too many people are too concerned w/ Ntindo pissing off the Wii U userbase w/ the NX releasing too soon. Nintneod isn't worried about pissing off those 10 million people, they will probably buy the NX regardless, but Ninteod needs to be more worried about the 90 million people who bought a Wii but did NOT buy a Wii U. 90 million is a lot more than 10 million. Even if Nintendo could sell an NX to only 20% of those Wii only owners that would still outsell the Wii U base.
And there are also 50 million 3DS owners, so Nintneod could PO the Wii U owners, and assuming all Wii U owners own a 3DS, that still leaves 40 million 3DS owners w/o a Wii U. Market NX to those 40 million as a portable w/ TV out. The Wii U userbase - of which I am one - has an inflated opinion of themselves. Even if all 10 million of us refused to buy an NX there are 10's of millions more who would.
@Darknyht Know what makes me laugh put loud? All those people who say the Gamepad could never have sold as an extra peripheral b/c it cost $100. Do you know what peripheral Nitneod sold for almost $100? The Wii Blaance Baord was $90 and it played exactly 1 game Wii Fit. Do you know how many 1 game $90 peripherals they sold? FORTY TWO MILLION. Can you imagine if they had sold 42 million Wii U w/o the Gamepad and only half of that bought the Gamepad, that would still be 20 million Gamepads sold.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/01/wii_balance_board_enters_record_books
So in retrospect, I'm sure even Nintnedo must think including the Gamepad was probably not the best idea. Better than TVii, but not much. Sell Wii HD for $250, $300 w/ game. Then don't even sell the Gamepad, just sell an app that lets the 3DS work like the Gamepad like they did for SSB. Why make a Gamepad when you already sell the 3DS? MS got rid of Kinect, worked wonders.
It's OK though, NX will work w/ a sold separtly Gamepad for Wii U bc.
@amiiboacid plenty of people know what the Wii U is. They just do not have any interest in buying one. I am shocked that anyone actually believes that the Wii U can still be saved. It's been on life support since day 1 and nothing is going to change that.
I would argue that bandai would have been better off downscaling and release this on 3DS. Would sell a whole lot better.
@rjejr I honestly believe that the NX isn't a console but a platform and brand. Just like iOS is a platform and for the Apple mobile brand. There will be a NX Handheld and a NX console, but there will be a single OS powering both. I am fairly sure that currently they do a lot of double work programming for both 3DS and Wii U, even when it is the more or less the exact same game on both (At least that I what I gathered from the stories about SSB development).
I look at how little they have done with the N3DS, it is basically a DSi in that there is extra capability but very little developed exclusively for it. It is essentially something to give the diehards to purchase until the next real console appears. And purchase they will, just like most likely bought a 3DS, 3DS XL, 2DS and a special edition 3DS device or two. it's the same thing with Xbox 360 and how a portion of their base bought three, four, or more consoles due to red ring, new models, and/or modding purposes.
Oh my lord....if this game is going to get dlc I am going to be very skint!
@HollywoodHogan @rjejr @kobashi100 The PS4 had outsold the Wii U and Xbox One by 30 million. I've actrully read somewhere saying that the update allowing Xbox One to play 360 games could allow it become the bestselling console. That will most likely never happen. Now I've never stated the Wii U will get to those numbers, I've only said about half that. If gamecube numbers are your definition of 'saved', maybe. PS4 numbers? No.
And also, trust me, they're are people who don't know what a Wii U is. Many times when I've talked to people about the Wii U, the confuse it for a Wii. It probably could have been avoided by calling it Wii 2 but that sounds pretty dumb.
When the Xbox One and PS4 were released I saw a news report about them. I've also saw a report about the wii recently on how it helps with physical therapy. Now for the first time their are news reports about SMM and the Wii U.
They could have released Pokken on the 3DS with less quality. Same for Splatoon and Mario Maker. Some 3DS gamers have been begging for the those games on the 3DS. But they should just get the Wii U.
A person who was intending on buying a
Wii U once gazed their eyes on the NL comment section and got confused when people were calling the Wii U dead. I don't know if he didn't buy one or not but their would of been one more Wii U sold and they would of missed out on many high-quality games, and it would have been your fault.
I don't think Nintendo is trying to anger Wii U users, like many people claim they were doing after their digital presentation. They said they will continue to support the Wii U post-NX and so far no games are being switched from the Wii U to another device so far.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Thank you.
@amiiboacid The Wii U is not really a dead console in that the company that still is supporting the product, but it is a dead console as far as the general the gaming public's perception is concerned. Because the market for the console is so small, all that is left now in retail third party support is the Toys to Life segment (which is huge but results in few actual titles), Lego games (which is going away to become the previous), and the scattered remains of the music/rhythm game craze. There is smaller developer support but it likewise is shaky.
That isn't to say it isn't a good console, because as I said before it is. But the position that the Wii U finds itself in leaves it forgotten or mocked by most and loved by the niche market it has made for itself. In that regard, it has joined the club that the Gamecube and Dreamcast belong to.
@Darknyht Tell-Tail games is supporting the console now.
2016 on Wii U holds SMxFE and Pokken for me. Though 2015 hasnt been much better for me. Splatoon is my only 2015 purchase on the console, and I'll pick up only Xenoblade and Starfox to finish the year out
@amiiboacid *Telltale. And far too little too late. Who would rebuy their games so much later than their availability on every other platform?
@Mando44646 It means TellTale is willing to put their games on Wii U. So naturally they would port their most popular game.
The game that carries the future (if there is one) of the Wii U is called Super Mario Maker. If that games has a great 1st week we get a Zelda U trailer before the end of the year and a official release date . If SMM fails, Zelda will officially wait for the NX to come out.
@Darknyht "the NX isn't a console but a platform and brand. Just like iOS is a platform and for the Apple mobile brand. There will be a NX Handheld and a NX console"
Well which is it? Is it the OS or the hardware, you are kind of saying it's both.
Apple - iOS on iPhones and iPads
Google - Android on Nexus
2 different things, 2 different names.
For awhile I was going w/ the OS platform idea, but too many different companies are tlaking about games for NX - see Squenix.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/07/dragon_quest_xi_is_coming_to_the_nintendo_3ds_and_nintendo_nx
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/08/nintendo_nx_could_get_a_port_of_mmorpg_final_fantasy_xiv_a_realm_reborn
That doesn't sound like a platform to me, it sounds liek hardware. Home console hardware.
Now I do beleive that if there is some type of home an dhandhled collaboration, like Nitnedo should have pursued further w/ Wii U and 3DS like they did w/ the GameCube and the Gameboy Player and link cables, then yes both home and handheld devices will run the same OS, but the OS won' thave a name, the home console will be "NX", the portable will be "NX Portable". See Sony and Playstation and PSP (Playstation Portable) Maybe NXP then.
@amiiboacid - "I don't think Nintendo is trying to anger Wii U users, like many people claim they were doing after their digital presentation. They said they will continue to support the Wii U post-NX and so far no games are being switched from the Wii U to another device so far."
Where's Zelda U? And are they still calling it Zelda U? Zelda U was supposed tolaunch after Starfox, which is launching Nov 20. Shoudn't they be talking about that game more?
And don't take the "anger" thing literally. Of course Nintnedo doesn't want to anger Wii U owners. But does it look like a company trying to sell more Wii U? Or does it look like a company selling a few more games on a $300 3 year old system while it prepares a great launch line-up for a new console? Remember that Zelda WW HD bundle, the one w/ the cool looking Gamepad design 2 years ago? Haven' tseen too many of those have we? Go look at how many different PS4 designs there have been.
Nintendo isn't trying very hard to sell the console, and it isn't trying very hard to give Wii U owners games they may want. I'm not exactly sure what those games are, but a real Animal Crossing and a 3D Mario follow up to N64 or Sunshine or Galaxy would probably be appreciated. And a Starfox game that doesn't look like an N64 remake. And maybe voice chat in Splatoon.
I don't know, I'm happy w/ mine, but it doesn't feel like they are trying.
@rjejr I would say the platform, but the problem is the codename is covering more at the moment. We know that whatever the next home console will be, it will not be called the NX. We also know that publishers will support multiple generations of hardware if they believe it will turn a profit. My best guess is that Dragon Quest will be one thing on the 3DS/N3DS and a completely different creature on the NX platforms and PS4.
Here is why I hang my hat on that: Mr. Iwata was quoted saying, “Home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems. Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform.”
“To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples.”
To me that points to NX primarily being a shift in OS that will bring about a family of consoles that are based on the NX Platform.
@Kaze_Memaryu Sorry mate that was obviously not suppose to go to you. I am new to using all this. Took me ages to remember how I logged in to be able to reply back to you today.
Once again I apologise
@DreamOn Mate the NX will be an add on to the Wii U. This is why there is no price drop and they are not afraid to mention the NX. Sounds exciting doesn't it!
@MarioWiiU Ah, that's okay. Mistakes happen. ^_^
@rjejr We all new long before the E3 presentation that Zelda U wasn't going to be shown, so I wasn't disappointed about that. Though it still was unsatisfying, it still had nintendo puppets, which is always good.
Right now they are developing NX games, along with some third-parties, and those games will be announced next year, and will be released the year after that.
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