Cast your mind back to E3 2014 - Nintendo's first 'Digital Event' had finished and, by many accounts, had gone down rather well. It was a broadcast designed for all audiences, so a surprise immediately followed with the announcement that mature title Devil's Third, originally planned for PS3 and Xbox 360 before collapsing due to its publisher's financial woes, was now coming exclusively to the Wii U.
Led by Tomonobu Itagaki - best known for his work on the Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive franchises - and developed by Valhalla Game Studios, there was a lot of talk on how active the partnership with Nintendo had become. Though Itagaki-san has led the project, the emphasis was on a strong working relationship and an exchange of positive ideas with Nintendo. It was all a bed of roses, and the shooter even got a spot on the Treehouse live stream:
Fast forward to this year, however, and it wasn't mentioned by Nintendo of America at E3, unless it was whispered when we weren't listening. It's as if the game no longer existed, and that's particularly odd considering the fact that the week before the LA extravaganza brought fresh assets and release dates for Japan and Europe; in fact, it's now just two months away from release in the EU.
It was assumed that Nintendo of America was saving a date and some updated coverage for E3, and that's made its absence from the event all the stranger. The one 'mature' slot in the Treehouse schedule was given to Fatal Frame: The Black Haired Shrine Maiden; in the aforementioned announcement for Japan and Europe - a week prior to E3 - Devil's Third had a 10 minute showcase video on Nintendo's official Japanese YouTube channel. In North America, nothing.
Considering the fact the game is clearly finished - or close to being finished - and has been localised for Europe, this silence is peculiar. Yet while that could be attributed to strategy, there have been some minor but head-scratching occurrences in the past week. On the one hand the game's listing dropped off the eShop in North America, and then Itagaki-san conducted a somewhat chaotic Q & A on Facebook, in which he also confirmed it was localised into English. Below are some of the answers from Itagaki-san when quizzed about a North American release.
I can't tell you guys the specifications for now, but you'll see those soon.
I will release my Devil's Third in North/South America! My will.
Rather like with the upcoming Fatal Frame release, some conclusions are being drawn that Devil's Third could be eShop-only in North America; that's possible, but unclear right now. What's intriguing is this silence around the game in the region, right down to its absence in a North American E3 infographic designed to highlight the strengths of the Wii U and 3DS library in the coming months.
There are multiple possibilities to explain these circumstances, some of them positive. This silence on Nintendo of America's part could be the precursor to a major - game specific - push for the mature title, similar to the Bayonetta 2-only Nintendo Direct of last year. The E3 absence, Itagaki's vague comments and the matter of the eShop listing are certainly counterpoints to that possibility, yet with Nintendo it can be rather hard to tell.
Another possibility is that it's going to be a particularly low-profile release, sliding down in Nintendo of America's list of games to promote and market heavily.
Thirdly, there are mutterings - again driven by Itagaki's comments - that Nintendo of America may not actually pick up the conventional publishing duties as we've seen in Japan and Europe. It's a possibility, and was famously the case in the 'Operation Rainfall' days on Wii, with XSEED Games stepping in with two of the titles and Xenoblade Chronicles being heavily delayed when published by Nintendo in the Americas, with the latter also having an unpopular exclusivity deal with GameStop. While Nintendo of Europe largely - it seems - follows specific directions from the company's Kyoto HQ, it's long established that Nintendo of America has a slightly more independent remit in what it publishes and promotes in the region.
A final possibility, and possibly the least likely, is that there are currently some delays to details for North America over quibbles with the name or other localisation aspects. While Nintendo's policy on games with words like 'Devil' in the title aren't as firm as in the NES and SNES days, games localised for the region are still sometimes tweaked in this respect. Even in this generation Dr Kawashima's Devilish Brain Training: Can You Stay Focused? - which still hasn't come to 3DS in Europe - was rebranded as Brain Age: Concentration Training in North America. It's possible that it's a sticking point in localisation that's holding back formal confirmation for its North America release.
This is all speculation, and our hope is that in the coming days it'll all be put to rest with details from Nintendo of America. Even if that happens, though, it's interesting to see how little focus has been given to this title since its high-profile announcement at E3 2014. Along with Bayonetta 2 it was a beacon of a different kind of Wii U exclusive, in this case an anarchic shooter with aspects of melee, a fantastical style and an impressive array of online modes and ideas. Itakagi-san has, at different points, talked it up as an evolution of the shooter genre, a game unlike any other that would drive people to buy a Wii U.
Yet less than two months away from its release, the only notable hype is from Itakagi-san's Facebook page and occasional media in Japan. Even the pre-E3 release date announcement was mainly out of Japan, with Nintendo of Europe issuing a press release and little else. If there's going to be a big build-up for this one, Nintendo sure is leaving it late.
When talking about Devil's Third in Nintendo Life HQ, we often talk about it being a 'weird' Wii U game, a term given with a smile. It's exciting that a title as quirky and off-the-wall as this was revived as a Wii U exclusive, and we're pretty excited to try it. As it stands, though, Nintendo isn't helping Wii U owners to get excited, at least not in the West. We hope that'll change soon, as even if it's ultimately flawed or rough around the edges it'll be unlike anything else on the system.
It'll be better the Devil's Third we know, ultimately; hopefully it won't make its way out into the world with little more than a snowball's chance in Hell of succeeding.
Typical approach by Nintendo in regards to a mature title. Can they get anything right anymore?
I've heard Devil's Third advertised inside of GameStop every time I've gone in for a while now, so you would think it would be coming to NA retail. That said... This is NOA. The rumor of FF being eShop only has weight, and if that's eShop only, Devil's Third could be too.
Either way, NOA has failed miserably in Q2 2015. They're trotting this game out to die, whether it goes to retail or not. Itagaki should be livid - even if Nintendo made publishing possible. If they weren't going to try and sell the game, then what's the point?
I'll be extremely disappointed if this (along with Fatal Frame, which I am very looking forward to) ends up being eShop releases only.
Shouldn't Nintendo be trying to publicize the fact that they are releasing "mature"- themed games?
Direct! Direct! Direct!
They are waiting for after the mature audience picks up a Wii U this holiday season with XCX and Stafox coming. Once that older player base grows they can release this game to maximize sales and popularity.
Listening to a recent radio free Nintendo podcast was hilarious. If you listened to James and why the creators recent interview has caused noa to distance themselves from this title. Speculation of course
@brutalpanda lol a C-list Nintendo franchise and a Xenoblade game isn't going to shift units. Especially when the public knows the platform probably doesn't even have another two years in it. If this game gets delayed, it will only die harder from American Nintendo supporters not buying it out of spite.
It seems odd for Nintendo of America to be quiet about this game. Promoting this would be a good way to show that there more games on the Wii U than just family friendly games such as Mario.
It's as if Nintendo wants this title to fail 10 times harder than it already will.
I think they'll cover it in a Direct, either for just the game itself, or a regular Direct. Alongside some announcements that might cool down the overreaction and rage from E3.
@gatorboi352 I doubt they can unfortunately.. Their inability to act accordingly is fast alienating their loyal fan base.. I love Nintendo, sure, but as it currently stands I doubt I'll be buying their next home console..
Maybe NOA is waiting to see how well it does in Europe first?
I've thought this game has looked pretty bad all along. It looks like an early PS2 game, not so much in graphics (which aren't particularly good), but in gameplay. My theory is NoA know it's bad and have dropped the publishing agreement. I know people are desperate for games, but it won't suit Nintendo at to be pushing a terrible game as one of the leading titles for their system.
@Peach64 Nintendo has invested into a game which now they think it is bad.Damn your logic, son.
@Peach64 You are confusing PS2 with PS1
@HenriDeNiro Nintendo of Japan invested in this game not Nintendo of America. If NOA did then they will release game early but as of right now. We may not get it.
I need this game. After finally getting over NoA's bungling of the DS and Wii Generations, this would bring it all back in a fury.
Though maybe they've just realized that absence makes the heart grow fonder as I haven't seen much interest in DT until it was a no show at E3. Comparatively, at last E3 I felt in the minority hyping up the game after it was unveiled.
I'm also disappointed in Fatal Frame (possibly) becoming an eshop exclusive. But we don't have to worry about Devil's Third. There are a few things I've learned about gamestop that help me with pre-orders. And yes, Devil's Third is available for pre-order from gamestop in north america.
1)gamestop only has pre-orders on retail games (and the occasional retail box with dlc code inside) and Devil's Third is available for pre-order (but Fatal Frame and Deception IV for ps3/vita is not)
2) if a release date says 12/31/20XX, it doesn't mean the game will release the 31st. It means the game is releasing that year, but the date hasn't been made public.
3)if the price is 999.99, it's not going to be 1000 dollars. That's just there until the price is revealed.
Finally, last amazing tip. Gamestop allows you to return pre-owned games within 7 days even if the games work. All you have to tell them is you didn't like it. They don't want you to know this policy, but it's there if you read the conditions of return. But don't be a jerk and abuse this or they'll probably stop it in the future.
Yea, NoA makes it really hard for ppl to care about Nintendo when they don't focus on the games where looking forward too. No Devil's third mention at all, and lots of speculation that fatal frame 5 is gonna be a eshop only game in North America.
Nintendo, why do you always do this to your third party games, give them more of the limelight and actually promote the games, instead of always focusing on yet another Mario game -_-
I really wish this game was still coming to 360/ps3 or on X1/ps4 instead, cause it would have gotten more attention from them, and we would also know when it was coming, if at all Fatal Frame 5 would get a retail release as well, instead Nintendo is just hiding one of their best games away on the stupid eshop, just sad.
Things are definitely not looking good for a US release of Devil's Third. Seems like the explanation for this is one of two things: either its believed that the game will flop and isn't worth publishing, or some of the game's content is making Nintendo of America wring its Puritan hands once again. Based on past history, the latter is much more likely; particularly if the company plans to go ahead with a physical release of Fatal Frame U, which is as surely to bomb in sales as Devil's Third would or will.
Nintendo of America is second only to Capcom as the worst US division of any Japanese gaming company. From inept marketing to senseless translations to impotent censorship, NoA has a lengthy track record of hampering games with some sort of applied regional flaw before they are even released. It might even be better to for NoA to keep their pure, white, virginal hands off of Devil's Third, since Fatal Frame is surely to have all of its "risque sexual content" ripped out of it by the Catholic chur--pardon me, The Nintendo Treehouse.
All this nonsense just makes me yearn harder for the day the Wii U is hacked and I can play Japanese versions of games on it and cut Nintendo of America out of my life forever.
@TwilightAngel I live in Europe so I am going to get it.
I really want this and Fatal Frame and I would prefer retail versions.
I suspect it's the nature of the games story, hell the games MP take place in an America where terrorists won and factions fight over the scraps
@Pablo17 well unfortunately, fatal frame 5 in North America looks to be a eshop only title, off you go of Nintendo.com's official page. Usually they give a box art, fatal frame 5 is in a logo with a orange box around it, which usually means it's a eshop title. Just sad, fatal frame deserves better then what Nintendo is doing to it.
Maybe Nintendo of America are worried it will make their first party titles revealed at E3 look bad... kinda like they already do.
yeah, but I would like to know Nintendo's reasoning behind it (and disagree with them). I was so excited for Fatal Frame and it was definitely a day 1 purchase. Not so much anymore as an eshop exclusive. At that point I'm willing to leave it alone and wait for a drastic price drop (it's not like it's going anywhere when it is digital) rather than pay full retail for digital.
Steam has taught me never to pay premium for anything digital, ever. until the end of the world.
Feel sorry for Americans if NoA are gonna fudge them over like this.
Meanwhile I'm still very excited to get the game this August! Really hope it doesn't disappoint.
Could it be that because America is their biggest market, they don't want the game to be overshadowd by all the other shooters coming out around the same time?
I have a different theory: The game sucks and they're slowly backing down their support and/or rethinking their strategy
@HenriDeNiro Well yeah, that happens all the time. Tons of games lose their publishing deals once they get far enough into development for the publisher to see it's not very good. At the time it would have sounded like a no-brainer. Being offered publishing rights to the new game from the director of one of the best action games ever made? Of course they'd sign up for that. They had no idea how the game would turn out back then, but now they can see for themselves.
If it was to do with the maturity of the title, then it makes no sense. The level of maturity was set from the start. Nothing has changed there.
@Peach64 Maybe it´s just not your cup of tea.I can understand the graphics do not even look good for a Wii U title but at least gameplay wise it looks interesting.I just hope it gets a Nintendo Direct before its release.Anyway I am going to buy it.
Speaking of mysteries, why was Devilish Brain Training never released in Europe? It was due to be released back in 2013.
@brutalpanda Nobody's picking up a Wii U after that E3, unless they radically drop the price to clear stock.
After reading this article I've come to draw up two possible reasons why Devil's Third has been low-key here in America.
1) As a religiously-correct nation, many would be unsettled to see the word "devil" in marketed products - unless they're eating it, I guess (ie. Deviled Eggs), so Devil's Third may go through a branding change for the U.S., at least. Odd, since there's some games with obscenities in their titles.
2. Splatoon has only just recently been released, and given American gamers' tendencies to jump ship from one franchise to another (I swear, it's like gamers here have had mass-induced ADHD) Nintendo of America may postpone the release of Devil's Third to around the same time Black Ops III or Star Wars Battlefront comes out to give the game a fighting chance in the U.S..
I'm aware that Nintendo's trying really hard to win over European gamers and announcing DTs release in the region may or may not pay off for them. Considering how whiny and cynical most European gamers are (No offense/offence/off-fence/of-ends), their attitude toward the game may be unpredictable...unless, of course, DTs narrative involves the mass-destruction of the American nation and we pretty much get the gist of how much the world disapproves of America.
@Peach64 Problem with that logic is that Devil's Third was already well into development by the time Nintendo picked it up. Bayo 2 hadn't even started development when Nintendo picked it up. Surely they had to have seen the state that Devil's Third was in when they picked it up? It was already a well documented fact that Valhalla had switched game engines mid-development.
@ericwithcheese2 I know, they want to put the extra cost on us - I mean, buying external storage. You would certainly have to if you want both games, right?
@Sanicranfast I... really don't know. Nintendo just decided to pull its release at the 11th hour for some unspecified reason - in spite of retail code being sent to magazines and websites for review - and just haven't released it. When I last asked NoE support about it, they were "waiting for the right time [to release it]"; which could mean absolutely anything.
@kensredemption At the expense of ignoring your many other, perfectly valid points - American gamers are -waaaaaay- more cynical and whiny than any European I know. Just look at all of the nonsense petitions (the one to cancel Metroid Prime : FF comes to mind) aimed at Nintendo of America or Reggie Fils-Aime specifically. Oh, and the recent uproar over Europe getting one game and a couple of toys a few months early. Oh, and while we're on the toy note, how annoyed some people are that European stores are starting to geo-lock pre-orders of Amiibo to prevent the majority of them being import purchases by scalpers. All very American complaints.
The idea that gamers are entitled, cynical and whiny is one that originated from and is largely perpetuated by American gaming press... which is not to say all Europeans are automatically the patron saints who only make valid complaints and are constantly beaming about the future of gaming; because that's a complete lie. I'd say that the percentages of people who really are that way are about the same on either side of the pond - just that the Americans who are that way inclined are louder... and more likely to do incredibly stupid/laughable things.
To address your main point - I fully agree, I think NoA has a strategy in mind for Devil's Third, even if it is currently unclear. The strategy may very well be to place Devil's Third as their "big" shooter to compete with titles like Call of Duty and Battlefront; though if that's the case, it displays a shocking amount of ignorance on NoA's part - Devil's Third looks to be a character action title at heart, even though the main character uses a fair number of guns and the game has TPS elements. It's hardly the kind of game that can compete for that market, even as somebody who is massively excited for Itagaki's return to a genre I feel he's one of the few masters of (Ninja Gaiden Black is the sole reason I bought an original Xbox. Ditto for NG2 and the 360).
The days of MadWorld and No More Heroes are, sadly, long gone. As the first comment said, it's Conker's Bad Fur Day all over again.
At this point, no "mature"-themed game is going to make a difference anyways, so they might just have decided to cut their looses, while still giving a little something to their established installbase.
I would be fine with the game being digital only. It's the future anyways, and that obsession with retail is only hurting the industry. Whole games get lost in the process because noone is willing to take the gamble on spending any money on actually publishing those underdog games. By comparison the cost of digital publication is minimal, and so is the risk. Also, there is no such thing as stock shortages, retailer exclusive deals, and all the other ugliness that can happen with those low-profile retail games.
If a game is sucessful digitally, you can still release it physically at some point, to please the diehard collectors. It has been done before after all.
Anyways, this game is not going to sell great, no matter the advertisement budget, and at this point the fate of the WiiU as a platform is sealed anyway, so I think any further investment by Nintendo should be on the conservative side, into stuff like MarioMaker, Starfox etc., not this. Games that will turn a meaningful profit for them, money they can put to good use going forward. Any investment into expanding installbase, is a lost investment, so they would be smart steering clear of those.
@Utena-mobile i was excited for it too, but then Nintendo did what Nintendo normally does and didn't give any faith in it, a game that would easily do well in North America, but for some reason they don't think would, I guess. Nintendo just doesn't seem to understand their North America fans at all I'm just hoping their contract ends soon and fatal frame 4 and 5 come to ps4 and x1 in some package.
Something's not quite right, is it. Definitely room for a Nintendo Direct to dispel some of the speculation.
it's like i said: NoA is completely done for (possibly they're to blame for the bad E3) ignoring what fans actually want, while NoE and NoJ are fine
Who cares at this point. Nintendo as a whole continues to disappoint and baffle their own customers. I'll be jumping on the PS4 and/or xbox one by the end of the summer anyway.
Yada Yada Reggie Yada Yada sabotage Wii U
Same story, different day.
Which "same story" are you referring to?
I can't wait for this game!
However they market/sell this game, it will most likely fail miserably.
Even with all the promotion that Bayonetta 2 got it still sold poorly, which is a damn shame.
He can not be denied, let his will be done!
@MikeW Bayonetta 2 was promoted?
@Mario_Fart Everybody is overreacting from E3. This list of upcoming games that we know about is great and exactly what I wanted from my Wii U. The last two I don't care about but they seem like fun games for children and Harvest Moon fans. Keep in mind there are undoubtedly more unannounced games and they will go out with a ban for all the fans who stayed true throughout this gen. They are also making a huge slice of money from amiibo thanks to Wii U, they don't want to put a damper on that so soon.
Xenoblade Chronicles X
Legend of Zelda U
Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water
Super Mario Maker
Yoshi's Woolly World
Genei Ibun Roku #FE
Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival
Harvest Moon: Seeds of Memories
Having said that, I highly doubt they are releasing NX next year and would bet it's coming in 2017. They need to have complete third-party support and have some heavy hitter exclusives on release, they need to come out swinging with NX or it will fail.
@AlexSora89 - All the stuff Nin tendo has been doing of late to not sell Wiig U. Hasn't had a true price drop since it launched at $299 and that's still the price. No Players Choice line of budget games. ACaF is an amino driven board game. Metroid Prime is a 3DS game. No Zelda U at E3, just showing it would have at least made people a little happy. Too much of Nintendo saying - we aren't talking about NX now. Either talk about it or don't, don't keep talking about not talking about it. Hyrum Warriors and Bayonetta 2 could have had more marketing last year as exclusives for gamers.
I just don't see any real effort from Nintendo to sell WiU. Not even Mario and Sonic at the summer Olympics is on that inforgraphic. Why not have a game w/ Mario in the title to advertise more games on Wiig U?
I see a direct coming this summer to hype the crap out of this game. Nintendo would be crazy to not release this game this summer/fall in America. We Americans love to kill people, this game would sell consoles.
It's strange that it is missing, but it also has taken a lot of heat over the past year due to the visuals. E3 is about showing your best and Devil's Third is frequently compared with PS2 games. I don't think it is time to hit the panic button yet.
Fifth possibility: the game is not very good... I hope it's good and I looked forward to it, but I'm not getting my hopes up...
Time for my conspiracy theory on this and it involves .... Activision!
Does it disturb anyone that Nintendo is making very good money and in-roads in the toys-to-life catagory with amiibo and at E3 we find out they are now bedfellows with Activision letting them use exclusive Nintendo IP's in the form of Skylanders / Amiibo hybrids? Why is this happening? On one side it could be part of Ninteno's new vision of maximising IP coverage by licensing Bowser and Donky Kong and in turn easing Activision back to supporting Nintendo platforms.
With no new COD incoming Devil's Third had a great oppurtunity to quench Wii U owners shooter thirst with no competition from AAA title. Could Devil's Third being delayed (not assuming it's cancelled until there's an official announcement saying so) and Activision having amiibo and the ability to link NNID to Call Of Duty forums mean one thing ... there WILL be a COD coming to WiiU this year, if not BO3 then perhaps a digital remaster package or a late DLC throwback for BO2/Ghosts. Devil's Third might be on a stealth mission to come out at a less conflicting time on the future.
My other thought is there's a scenario / piece of storyline / referece within the game that could possibly outrage people in the US and NoA definately wouldn't want to earn a backlash from any parties.
It's late here, my brains tired and my fingers are typing random thoughts so gnight all
@rjejr They did more then enough, it had a lot of push at some point, it didnt work out... do you want them to keep throwing money into te WiiU ? Sony abandoned the Vita not even 18 months after release.
This game will never sell well, with or without marketing, its too niche.
@rjejr I agree with you. Nintendo is killing off the WiiU and I'm upset over it.
@hYdeks There is no contract. Nintendo co-owns the Fatal Frame franchise. I wouldn't worry about sales either - the Fatal Frame games have historically had a very small budget, and therefore don't need to sell that many copies to make profit.
@rjejr Woah, Nintendo is selling wigs now that play games, appropriately called the "Wiig U"?
And here I thought of actually visiting the US sooner or later. Oh well.
It looked like you alluded to the same happening with a previous console, not just the WiiU. But come to think of it, yep, Player's Choice and/or a price cut would help a lot.
Everybody, calm down! I don't get why everyone is entering rage mode, just because there isn't a NA release date for it yet.
We don't know the reasons for it, but that doesn't mean you guys overseas have to panic. In two months the game will be out in Europe, Japan and Australia. Either it will be released in NA at the same time or a little while after that.
That shouldn't be a biggie, after all, Xenoblade X was already released in Japan in April. I don't see anyone from EU or NA whine about that.
The game will come, just stay calm. Nintendo has it's reason and I'm sure they will iron any issues out. And even if the game will not be released in NA at all, you can still buy the EU version from the EU eshop. That's always possible!
And why would a eshop-only release be a problem? I don't get it. I buy (almost) all of my games digitally, who needs that optical disc crap? Those disc have a limited timespan and you constantly have to change the disc in the drive. No thanks. Digital releases are superior by far.
My best guess is that NOA have spent so much money on marketing for Splatoon that they don't have the money to promote Devil's Third right now. But I don't think that really makes sense, there probably will be another reason.
@brutalpanda Couldn't agree with you more!
@KillScottKill And you know that how? It doesn't even make sense.
A NX release prior to 2017 is basically impossbile and Nintendo already said earlier that the NX will co-exist withe current platforms.
To me; it just looks like there's too much stuff all thrown in together into this game. It might just end up being a bit of a mess, with lots of options and stuff to do but ultimately may not really be satisfying. It's hard to really grasp exactly what it's going to be like. It's also looking quite rough around the edges. I'm not feeling it.
Seems to me like the relationship between developer and publisher has soured. Probably a disagreement regarding content and censorship. It's undoubtedly a violent game and it seems politically charged; NoA may have a dispute over content specifically, and the dev may be reluctant to make these specific changes because, you know it's his game and it's his art. Of course I'm just speculating. Bayonetta was a violent, mature title but this game is probably a bit more real-life.
I know I'm the exception of American gamers when I say I dont have a problem with the graphics. This guys track record with games is really good, to my knowledge he has never produced a bad game. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and hyping as many of my buddies and fellow COD players as I can. So far any of them who have looked at the game have suddenly caught the fever as well. The game looks like alot of fun and he has some really new an interesting game play concepts. Its foolish for us not to reward his efforts and support of the Wii U. Tell your friends to check out the info thats out there, spread some excitement, it certainly can't hurt. But fot Gods sake don't be a typical American and sit on your butt, do nothing and than cry when nothing happens.
I don't necessarily believe that but I think it should at least be at knowledged as a possibility
@IceClimbers I decided to look it up after your comment, and your partially right!
Fatal Frame 4 on Wii, and Fatal Frame 5 on Wii U are both co owned by Nintendo and Tecmo Koei so seeing those games outside of a Nintendo platform will never happen, so if people want them, they gotta go Nintendo. Fatal Frame 1-3 on the other hand are all owned only by Tecmo Koei themselves.
I heard somewhere it was a contract agreement, but that's all wrong, my bad
Still waiting for that Devil Brain training, actually enjoy the series.
I will be very upset if this turns out like Yoshis Wooly World release date... no reason for this not to come to NA
All I see is the "White Washing" of "Genocidal" conflicts occurring in the Orient ( Middle East ). IDK about this war stuff. Nintendo already have an bad rep for support the US military in the past. Lets some r-tarded little kid, or little-me get brainwashed with military ideas. In fact that is why I believe Nintendo last so long, because it is secretly promoting young people ( especially boys ) to become military folks.
This is another reason why I gave up on Nintendo games. After playing "Giest" and having to go through that shooting range, over and over and over again. I doubt an five year old would actually feel sane after playing that game. I do not want to pin Nintendo to the wall but I went through all of that crap to float around and lame-ring of fire in the final showdown with the evil-spirit.
I mean if it was something dramatic like "StarFox" or "FF12" maybe I would care but all of this war stuff is just lame garbage.
The way it works is that they need an M-mature game to be released for children. Children ( like myself or in this case Young-adults ( teens ) are going to purchase this nonsense for the mature factor.
Then ten years later they will throw it down and realize how lame it was. While other consumers will just join the military. I know Nintendo's deal more then ever.
If they wanted to do something right, they could have used the assets of Zombie-u or pay that person who made the fan Mario 64 3d Unity game.
@RegalSin Nintendo is secretly making people join the military? What are you even on about, you moron?!
No it is true. The had the gunman game, and from that they developed special virtual simulation for military personal back in 1991.
Even then on, the N64 almost all games have an militaristic feel to it. The music the drums including pokemon. The Gamecube for some reason have an odd warhawk auh to it, that being said almost all the gun games was the only worthwhile ones.
Even now with the colors, flags, and feel I think to myself Nintendo master plan, that is not there plan. Create something that people can idolize then turn it into something they could look down on.
Keep in mind that Japan ( an most of East Asia ) are warhawk people who do not follow the same beliefs of westerners.
With millions of people in the west throwing away there lives to worship an nation over there own nation is kinda like walking between to walls with nowhere to go.
I have been through that idea. Nothing to believe in, nothing to uphold. But I have my abilities that makes me happy in life, so I do not turn those ways.
@RegalSin It sounds more like you have a habbit you need to desperately kick, believe me it could save your life...I would be more specific, but talking about illegal substances would be a breach of the ToS.
Nintendo probably remembered their disgust for mature games. Or there is some stuff in it that really goes to far for Nintendo's tastes (stuff more extreme then Bayonetta 1 and 2 or Ninja gaiden 3).
Personally I am not affected, since the game looks extremely dumb and rubbish to me. I won't pick this up!
maybe the game has some offensive material. unlike japan or europe. americans are overly sensitive and love to make a big deal about nothing. NOA might be steering clear of devil's third in order to save itself from the headache of anger online activists.
metroid prime fans are one thing but self righteous zealots are another.
@brucelebnd Only problem with that is that Fire Emblem Fates has some rather... odd content that might not go over well with those people. No, I'm not talking about the same-sex marriages either.
Watch the language.-Morpheel
Hopefully it's going to be all right. Looks like a fantastic exclusive game for Wii Us library.
For all we know the game could be absolutely rubbish. I will wait for the reviews before even thinking about buying this game. NoA seems to be distancing themselves from it, which could mean anything.
I love the childish logic that some present. Nintendo keep quiet about this game at E3 where it had the potential to reach hundreds of millions so they can rather hold a Direct for it and reach a handful.
Devil's Third and Fatal Frame being eshop only would make it so I can't buy either. No space on my Wii-U, and unless the games are going to be cheaper I want physical copies.
Boy do I hope we hear more about the game in July because this mystery is killing me.
@shani I don't know whether you're delusional or naive. The NX has been referred to as a dedicated platform. "Dedicated" in the sense that it's a new hardware akin to Nintendo's previous platforms, not that it's supposed to be a third branch of gaming alongside Wii U and 3DS. They had to use that language to ensure investors that Nintendo's next traditional hardware was already in the works in the wake of the DeNA announcement and concern that they were becoming a mobile centric developer. Nintendo isn't dumb enough to make a 3rd console when their current home platform won't even sniff 20 million units in its lifetime.
Besides, it's already known that the NX is in fact the Wii U's successor. The director of the Metroid franchise confirmed it when he said there'd be no point in starting a Metroid Wii U project now, because the NX would be the primary console by the time it finished development.
And yes, the Wii U is dead by next fall. NX is coming in 2016, don't kid yourself. How many Wii U games were announced at E3 this year? I count two and each is a spinoff/not a blockbuster title; Mario tennis and Animal Crossing amiibo Festival. After each of the past two E3s, future games were well known - but this year, the Wii U wasn't given anything. How many 2016 Wii U titles are in the works? I count Zelda and Fire Emblem.
A lot of people are thinking that NX will be announced 2016 and released 2017, because that's what happened with Wii U. But why would Nintendo just repeat the release schedule and marketing of the console that have to replace right now because it's their most abysmal failure since the Virtual Boy? It makes no sense. Announcing the Wii U 16-17 months before it was available was a mistake. They're going to take a page from what Sony and Microsoft did in 2013. Announce at E3 - release in November. That's why we're already hearing about 3rd party developers being given the rundown on the platform. And when it does release, Zelda will be a cross generational game just as Twilight Princess was.
We only blame Reggie since the decisions that he does make go against what the Nintendo faithful want, granted some may not be major hits but they would at least break even or make a small profit. Breaking even here and there keeps the fans happy and buying new games.
Fatal Frame 4, ASH, Soma Bringer, Disaster, Another Code, Standard new 3DS all decisions by Nintendo of America to not be released here.
The other possibility is that Nintendo of Japan does have full decision making of what Nintendo of America can do and Reggie is spineless when it comes to dealing with his bosses.
@IceClimbers NoA are clearly going to heavily censor Fire Emblem Fates too, the DLC for Awakening is enough proof that it will happen.
Oh man speculation is better than actual news these days!
@brutalpanda But none of those games are system sellers.
@Pigeon How is there little information? We know it's coming this year in autumn and that it will get a retail release.
@KillScottKill If the rumour is true and they introduced NX the first time to third parties this E3, there is no chance in hell it will launch in 2016.
I still think a direct is incoming for this game.
I hope nothing is wrong that would prevent it from being released in the US. Next time Nintendo needs to design it's E3 Digital Event around the games it has coming out, instead of coming up with an idea, like muppets, and shaping the event around the idea. All it did was prevent the company from showcasing mature games like Devil's Third and Fatal Frame because their mature content didn't fall in line with a kid friendly theme.
They did finally showcase Fatal Frame on Treehouse Live @E3 but a lot less people probably watched that than the Digital Event. The fact that they never showed Devil's Third does give me pause for concern. If it is coming out in the US this year, why not at least show during Treehouse Live ? Even if they plan to have a Nintendo Direct for it in the near future, it's complete absence from E3 was a mistake, in my opinion.
I shall be purchasing as I'm from the UK 😊
My guess is that NOA decided Nintendo is a family brand and thus mature titles will hurt them. It is not much different from the reason why they passed on the opportunity of releasing the Wii's RPG, although they wouldn't hurt the brand they wouldn't either add value as they did not have enough appeal to the general public.
I would love if Nintendo created an imprint to release games, mature or otherwise, that don't fall on NOA narrow idea of what the Nintendo brand should be.
Maybe NOA are just a bunch of cowards? It seems to be the cause after XC, Pandora's tower, fatal frame 1&2 remake, fatal frame iv (Reggie didn' like the controls but it's apparent lately that games are much better for him when they control themselves).
They might bomb but give the people that bought your system more options like NOJ and NOE scumbags.
Come to think of it, not really hahaha!
But at least it was shown at various E3s and Nintendo Directs and even had it's own Nintendo Direct. And it was pushed as the "big Nintendo M-Rated game"....
I want this game so badly.
Maybe they'll go the Disaster: Day of Crisis route and not release the game in NA at all.
That one turned out to be one of the best games on the system too.
I really am trying to stay optimistic, here.
@scamander do you seriously think 3rd parties are going to develop dedicated titles? A year and a half is plenty for 3rd party devs to know that porting to the NX will be possible - especially if it runs on the standard architecture. Assassin's Creed III had way less development time than that when it was ported for the Wii U's launch.
And it's not like Nintendo is going to limit their schedule on the NX for 3rd party. They'll do whatever they want.
@KillScottKill Maybe you should read closer. I didn'r write that it's a 3rd console, but that he Wii U will co-exist for a while, just as the Gamecube (another commercial failure) did with the Wii (big commercial success).
"Besides, it's already known that the NX"
Nothing is known yet about the NX. Period.
And seriously, just based on the amount of games announced at E3 you assume that the Wii U will be dead 2016? Either you deify the E3 so much that you suppress everything else that happens during a year or you are really an impatient customer. There is so much more than the E3 and I bet there are games for Wii U we don't even know about yet.
Also, Zelda will come out 2016.
As I said, no one knows anything about the NX yet. Nintendo won't just release an unknown console in 2016 for which it hasn't even started marketing. That alone takes about a year, so that people out there get to know the NX and build demand for that console.
Just releasing the NX in 2016 without any advertisement would be a really stupid business move and would make the NX even a bigger failure than the Wii U. But I guess you don't know anything about business decisions, otherwise you wouldn't claim such nonsense.
Just use your brain and you'll realize that the NX can't be released before 2017.
@shani Well, the Ps4 was announced, showed and got into the market in the same year.Yeah, the best selling console of this generation.Try to be more open minded and realistic next time.Also, try to be more polite.
Duh, of course it was. You can't really compare the PS4 to the Wii U.
It even starts with the name. Everyone knew that the name of the PS3's successor would be. And everyone also knew it's key features compared to the PS3: More power. That's all.
So it's really simple to sell that console to the people who are looking for an improved PS3.
But with Nintendo consoles, it's completely different. Every new entry does something completely different in comparison to its predecessor.
So explaining its key features to people takes more effort and time.
Or to put it in one sentence: The PS4 markets itself, whereas every Nintendo console needs special marketing.
That's just how things are. People who buy a PS4 don't expect to be surprised by the console but to continue the Playstation line in a pretty linear way. And that's not even critisicm from my side.
@Ralek85 I will always buy a physical copy of a game over digital if one is available. In fact, I'd probably not buy a digital only version of a game of this size and I'd end up skipping it altogether.
@shani You are so full of garbage that you may as well register as a landfill. It's absolute delusion to think the Wii U will coexist with the NX. The Wii U is Nintendo's least successful home console ever. Even their most successful, the original Wii, did not continue to get support once the Wii U launched. The final first party Wii title was Skyward Sword - a full YEAR before the Wii U launches. Yet you think Wii U titles will continue to be made after NX launches? Laughable.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR to be fair I have never like Reggie, granted he was able to sell the Wii and DS to an expanded user base whose last experiences with video games may have been Pong, Pac-Man, or even as late as the NES and he should be rightfully praised for that.
It really is not that hard to keep the fanbase of Nintendo happy, most users see that there is no Call of Duty or Batman or Madden and they either do not care or raise a small fit. The issue is seeing the other 4 major branches of Nintendo to an extent dialoging and releasing products that the fanbase wants and being for the fanbase and seeming against it. The last time a U.S. branch resented it's fans so much was Sega of America under Bernie Stolar.
@KillScottKill Lol, that's where you're wrong, even in 2015 there are still new Wii titles coming:
Twilight Princess also was released for GC and Wii simultaneously. So they coexisted.
@shani lmao citing third party shovelware that is still finding its way to the Wii. Nintendo stopped publishing for the Wii in 2011. Whether or not Ubisoft continues to put out Just Dances for it is irrelevant. Nintendo hasn't continued to publish on a previous platform after moving on to a new one since the NES/SNES days.
And I've said multiple times that Zelda will be cross generational next year. Twilight Princess was a GameCube game that got ported to the Wii half way through development because the GameCube was on the brink of death and, at the time, Nintendo's worst selling home platform. Sound familiar?
And FYI: the reason some third rate publishers continue to put out Wii games is because it has an install base of over 100 MILLION and because the hardware was so dated when it first came out compared to the PS3 and 360 that it has always been super affordable to develop for it. That's why the Wii got a ton of garbage in its library from developers and publishers no one had ever heard of. The Wii U will finish with an install base not even 1/7th of the Wii's. 3rd party devs will continue to make games for it after it's obsolete? They don't make games for it NOW.
You're so far out of your league.
@KillScottKill: Lol, you just reject a valid argument because of the type of game and call it out of my league. You're a funny guy.
The Wii is still supported, no matter by which company and you just can't argue against it, period.
@shani lol read my edit. You know absolutely nothing on how this works. You're coming off as someone so blind, delusional, and straight up in denial that the Wii U is already on its deathbed in 2015 and you're taking it personally. You're making a fool of yourself. Facts and reality are not on your side.
So for you "facts" are things you make up in yoursekf? Which realty are you talking about? There is still nothing announced about Wii U nor NX that backs your statement. So don't be ridiculous.
Has everyone forgot that this is just how NoA operates? Announce nothing until the week it releases? It's what i've been seeing from them since the Wii U was launched.
@shigulicious - Nintendo and Wii U is like MTV and music videos all over again.
@IceClimbers - Every Wii U now comes w/ a wig so when your friends and family walk in the room you don't have to be embarrassed to be seen playing 1.
It was Reggie's idea, after the NWC trouncing he took in SSBU.
(But really, what the heck is a Wiig, it's what my tablet keeps auto-changing Wii to?)
@AlexSora89 - "the same happening with a previous console"
I'm kind of at the point where I wouldn't insult my Dreamcast by comparing it to Wii U. (though I suppose the similarities are getting hard to ignore.) And I wouldn't insult my Wii U by comparing it to Vita. Or PSPgo.
Sorry for the confusion.
Sorry Yanks that ya gotta miss out due to NOA's more independent remit. It feels good to live in a PAL territory. I remember back in the day PAL territories got shafted something chronic but now we got it pretty good.
We need this mature, shootet in America. ARE THEY BLIND TO THE SUFFERING!? Sorry, I just had too lol.
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