Sales for Bayonetta 2 have dropped disappointingly quickly in the UK, so much so that the game is no longer within the top 40.
Despite Nintendo's best advertising efforts, Platinum Games' exceptional game has failed to sustain any presence in the UK market. It remains number two in Wii U games alone, but has not had not been able to maintain its position against its competition on all formats.
Interestingly Mario Kart 8 is still within battling away at number 35, a drop of five places compared to last week, but Bayonetta 2 has been hit stupendously hard after being within the top ten last week. Perhaps a waning interest in the game is not the sole reason for this unfortunate fall from grace, as it has been reported that many gamers have not been able to get their hands on a copy due to low stock in many retailers. The game cannot perform in the charts if there aren't enough copies to sell.
Tomodachi Life has shown continued success, managing to claw its way back up into 22nd place, seven places higher than last week, and Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS remains a strong contender at number 17 and remaining top dog of the 3DS library.
Do you think we'll see an increase in Bayonetta 2 sales when more stock has arrived, or has the game's hype run its course? Lets u know in the comments section below!
[source gonintendo.com]
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A 75-80% drop in sales is typical for any game in its second week, and Wii U games are going to be particularly prone to this with a small, committed audience that will mostly be day 1 purchasers, but I wasn't expecting to see it out of the top 40 so soon. The games at the bottom of the chart are only selling a few hundred copies. So relieved Platinum aren't reliant on this being a success in order to keep getting work as that's 2 out of the big 3 markets where it's disappointed commercially.
Nintendo Just suck at marketing, this game woulnt even be Known to people outside of those who frequent gaming websites.
This isn't FIFA....and Europe is Nintendo's worst market by far. That alone are compelling reasons.
Arrrgh, I should really get this game. I'm moving home to start a new job so maybe I should treat myself to it.
I wonder if this has something to do with the confusing editions they have in the UK. Perhaps all the versions with Bayo1 included have gone and people are not interested in picking up the stand alone version?
Eh. Nothing to worry about. It'll probably sell more during the Holidays.
@Link41x Yeah, and the UK is one of the worst markets for Nintendo in Europe
Such a shame as the game really does deserve to sell big when it is crafted with as much love as Bayonetta 2 is. Hopefully this won't discourage Nintendo from working with Platinum again in the future.
"Despite Nintendo's best advertising efforts"
That's a joke, right? What advertising? There was none. Not a single TV ad. I see the competition bombarding us all the time and these games are flying high in the charts. You've got to spend money, to make money.
It's a shame this game isn't receiving as much sales as it should be since it truly is a marvelous game. I'm sure the high reviews all around helped a bit, but not enough to make this game a multimillion seller. I'm not surprised though, I pretty much expected the sales of this game to not be too great in the first place. At least those of us who do play it can appreciate all the hard work put into the game.
In Portugal it's definitely lack of stock. I still can't believe they messed up my pre-order for the first print edition, but at least I got the special edition a couple of days earlier. I have no clue how I am gonna find another copy of the game to give as a xmas gift for a friend. Same for Hyrule Warriors and I can but assume the same will happen with Super Smash Brothers for Wii U.
@Link41x Actually Japan is now Nintendo's worst market console wise. Handheld is a completely different matter.
I would want the disc version with both games - but got to many games right now. So it looks like this is a limited run of the double pack? Really crazy, I bet a lot of people are like me and probably would get this for xmas
I bought it day 1 but haven't had played it yet. Have played about 45 mins of Bayonetta 1 though and just know I'm going to love it. However I do agree with the lack of advertising. And the fact that its the UK, where the moronic rule and they own Xbones and live for Fifa and COD. Its a shame, but its the way it is. The xbone was released on the same day as Zelda, ALBW and I remember going to my Local Game store and the guy being like, you're the 1st person today who hasn't bought an Xbox. Sad times
What I noticed is that many retailers try to sell it at a higher price than regular. Almost all of them sell Bayonetta 2 alone for 50€, and the double box for 80€+.
That's not to say it's the only reason. I haven't seen a single advertisement outside of Nintendo sites, eShop, or gaming sites so far - nothing on TV, only one in a magazine, and even stores don't use the advertisement material for it. The same mistake as with the original game - a shame, especially considering the mass of positive reviews and feedback.
I'm a Wii U only owner (+PC). Let's just say that the Wii U is almost dead in most of Europe. It lacks football, racing, COD, AC, FC, BF, DA and most "mature" games.
Here in Italy, most parents still thinks that the Wii U is the same as the Wii.
Well, I bought a copy on Saturday but that was download, so it won't count...
I'd love to see more information on how digital sales reflect physical sales on Nintendo's platforms now, and how this varies according to genre, etc.
Its a Bayonetta game on the WiiU on UK, it was bound to drop stupifly fast
I never even think it would hit the n6-n7 spot actually, it was a great surprise
Mix of little to no advertising and not enough copies, way to go Nintendo.
It seems like the games industry is trying to kill itself off with these kind of decisions.
I'm in the US, but the same problem happened after the launch of the game here. It sold out everywhere. So badly that Gamestop had some excuse as to why my pre-order was not there. No where in my area (Orlando, FL, which is a pretty big area) had a copy for about 4 days, and even those places ended up selling out again. I was able to order a copy online with no problems though.
I wouldn't say they haven't been advertising entirely. They have been running commercials on Adult Swim and they did a stunt with Playboy. This is just another example of why chart track is pretty much useless as they never give actual numbers nor do they account for digital sales. I find it funny that Nintendolife ignored the fact that Bayo 2 was number 1 in the eShop charts when it debuted
I still haven't seen one Bayonetta 2 commercial. I don't understand why Nintendo doesn't take the time to promote these games better.
My first print copy is gonna be as rare as rocking horse sh*t
@rylo151 @Link41x You're 100% right. I know a few casual gamers who don't bother with gaming sites and they haven't even heard of Bayonetta 2. When it comes to mature themed gaming Nintendo needs to take some notes from Sony and MS unfortunately.
"Despite Nintendo's best advertising efforts, Platinum Games' exceptional game has failed to sustain any presence in the UK market." You made me laugh nintendolife. Once nintendo actually puts any effort into a marketing campaign then their games wont sell so poorly, and maybe people who dont go onto gaming website would know that they even exist.
The title should say "Retailers Can't Keep Bayonetta 2 in Stock!" There's always a positive spin.
@Akira_1975 They have been doing ads on Adult Swim didn't you hear
@Akira_1975 I think people are waiting its price to go down, just like Wonderful 101. (I know I am.) W101 is now half-price everywhere one year after its release.
Too bad games these days are based on first week or more less first day sales now. It doesn't take long before they start to discount to make more shelf space. I'm not getting it for a while but I do want it.
Whatever happened to games selling long past their release date. Now if you don't get that big first day it's considered a failure and that's sad.
@Spoony_Tech
I agree with you!
Everybody calm down. Even MK8 didn't do all of his more than 3 million sales in 1 day!
Nintendo should do more advertising! They really have to!
But nobody until now knows for sure how Bayonetta 2 really sold (except of Nintendo of course)!
So, let's wait and see.
@G0dlike It's a shame, we can take heart from scenes such as this though:
http://kotaku.com/japans-xbox-one-launch-as-sad-as-youd-expect-1630411606
I'm seeing people saying they never seen ads on TV about this game, and yet, I've been seeing commercials about this over here in North America. I saw one two days ago.
Could it be the UK Nintendo's fault why the ads haven't been shown on TV?
Besides making a parade for the game or a big live event in a city, I have seen Nintendo trying to put this game on people's minds.
There's a reason why ya'll didn't see any TV commericals. Because you didn't see it at adult swim. (At NA at least) I don't know what's going on at europe though.
Honestly I don't get why Nintendo doesn't advertise it's games unless it has Mario in some way. If marketing doesn't happen then Bayonetta 2 is going to fail sales wise just like Wonderful 101 did which is a crying shame.
I'm not in the UK, but I haven't purchased it because I have too many other Nintendo games to play right now lol
If literally no t.v adverts are considered their best advertising efforts, then I shudder to think what their worst efforts are.
Nintendo have a ton of money just waiting to be used, advertising your games and your consoles to make people more aware is the best way to use that money, they will make more money and more sales.
I like the Wii U, but the fact of the matter is, it's struggling...Why??? because of lack of advertising, it's not the name alone that is confusing clueless parents. It's also the fault of the kids/teenagers as well for not explaining what it actually is. For example, when the Wii U was announced and everytime I saw videos about the console or more information released, I would mention it to my Mom, that way, she got an understanding about it, so she, a non gamer parent understood the Wii U, I earned enough money to buy one by launch and bought one, I still use it for all different things, Games, Youtube, Internet Browser, Drawing on Miiverse.
Sigh...Sorry about the rant, but this constant cluelessness on behalf of Nintendo regarding advertising really infuriates me...
I see PS4 advertisements every week I watch Walking Dead. Nintendo commercials are very Rare (hah) on any channel.
Bayonetta 2 is one of my favourite titles from this generation. It's a shame it doesn't sell. It's good that Platinum games makes exclusives for different consoles, otherwise they'd be out of business. At least they make something different and not that Fifa poopoodoodoocacapoopledoople.
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Brand awareness, marketing, and advertising are crucial to making sales in ANY industry, let alone video games. I really don't get why Nintendo's marketing department changed so much for the worse. Nintendo used to advertise all the time! I remember seeing commercials for different games on the NES, SNES, and N64 in between shows I watched as a kid, and elsewhere. Now, I see barely any of their ads, and the ones that exist are either hidden in magazines, or focus so much on this "family gaming" aspect Nintendo is going for (which really doesn't exist). In contrast, I see commercials for different games on the PS4 and XBox One on tv constantly, and even before each movie I go to see in theaters.
Of the 3 current gen systems, I only own a Wii U, and I really want to see the console succeed. The problem, I feel, is Iwata. Iwata is creative and has a lot of great ideas when it comes to game design, but he has little business acumen, doesn't take risks, and doesn't really have Hiroshi Yamauchi's vision and global appeal. Iwata doesn't have to leave the company, but he should go back to game design. Nintendo really needs someone from the Pokemon Company (which collectively has more business acumen) to move up to run Nintendo as a whole, or needs to hire a CEO from outside.
Typical
The shouldnt surprise anyone.
It's a WiiU game.
It's not soccer (guess I should say football)
It's a PlatinumGames
Well that was quick.
@rylo151 I do t wanna come off sounding negative... But agree with you. If you're not hardcore, you have no idea about this title. And yes, if you're on this site (or any gaming site for that matter) frequently, you're hardcore.
@killer7 yeah! Soccer is what a-$&@+% call it... Wait is American a dirty word?
@Platypus101 yeah. Half the people I know who arent hardcore dont even know yet that the wii u is a new console, all still believe its a wii controller if they even know of its existence. Im in australia btw and have yet to see even a single commercial on free to air tv about anything nintendo related at all other than a few 3ds commercials about tomodachi life of all things.
The only actual marketing nintendo has done here in australia is mario kart 8 mcdonalds toys. Unless you go into a store and see it on the shelf or frequent game websites you wouldnt even know abput the wii u
@Platypus101 I live in America and it sucks. So no, it's not a bad word to me.
"Despite Nintendo's best advertising efforts..."
Really? I haven't seen any advertising for this game. While I've seen the Smash Bros 3DS tv ad a bunch of times, so they can do it when they put there mind to it...
@rylo151 that's heartbreaking... Same here, (U.S.) Smash commercials? Once in a great while.... McDonalds ad concerning Mario Kart 8 toys in their happy meals? Every other commercial break! 3rd party game commercial featuring the Wii U? Never. Not once in fact. Unless you count the Wii U icon at the bottom of the screen (for less than two seconds)...
I have a feeling that if the all formats charts was a top 50 (like the 3DS charts are...) it would still be hanging on as you do see it in individual formats value and all formats full price in the mid-30s.
As for a return next week. Not a chance, CoD Adavanced War fair will dominate all formats and seriously clog up individual formats.
tl;dr, blame Minecraft & Forzen Olaf's Quest.
I'm in the US. My Gamestop received a total of 4 copies (including 3 pre-orders). When I told the Clerk I was there for my copy of Bayonetta 2, the Clerk responded, "Ok, what system?". Offered as anecdotal evidence of perhaps serious marketing and supply-side issues.
"Best advertising effort"
I went to pick up my copy of Bayonetta 2 on break from work pretty early on the day of it's release. There were a few people in line in front of me, one bought a Wii U and Bayonetta 2, and then I got my pre-ordered copy and there were maybe 2 left...of course they might have had more out of sight...
Mind you, this was the morning of it's release and at a fairly busy Gamestop.
No. NOOOOOO!!!! I need Bayonetta 3!
Seriously Nintendo, why don't you advertise!!!!? I just hope this game still does fairly good overall, I will be getting a copy next month when I buy the Wii U along with Smash.
erm "Despite Nintendo's best advertising efforts..."
Are you being serious?? I've not seen an advert for the WiiU since 2 (count em!) adverts I managed to spot for MK8.
Nintendo has no faith in the WiiU as it cannot be bothered to advertise it. Even the 3DS Smash Bros ad could have included the WiiU for no spend and they didn't even do this.
No wonder the console and games do not sell and 3rd part support is dead, it is entirely Nintendo's fault. Advertising sells consoles and games, really basic stuff!!! Club Nintendo subscribers didn't even get an email from Nintendo about Bayonetta (and again costs a few minutes of someones time to do!). We are in the run-up to Xmas Nintendo UK, sack your marketing 'team' as they are not doing even a poor job of promoting the console and games.
This games amazing and deserves to sell. It should sell consoles nevermind itself.
Nintendo are ridiculous and they're own worst enemy. They have NO idea about marketing. I've not seen one advert for bayonetta and little of mariokart 8. Zero of hyrule warriors. Bit I've seen adverts for the evil within probably over twenty times in the last fortnight.
Outsource your marketing NOW nintendo. Your team are silly
Why would they print more copies IF retailers arent demanding them ? you really think a store would ask 50+ copies of BAYONETTA for the WIIU in the UK ? you do what they ask you, this game was never supposed to sell, the first one sold like crap considering its HUGE fan base, why would retailers risk it again ?
Some people need a reality check
@Sligeach "That's a joke, right? What advertising? There was none. Not a single TV ad."
...Not sure where you live, bro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH0OsWgJeyw&list=UUGIY_O-8vW4rfX98KlMkvRg
@Sligeach
And that was just the TV ad. Here, have some more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0d6s-8xGY&list=UUGIY_O-8vW4rfX98KlMkvRg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-FVDJVwI5k&list=UUGIY_O-8vW4rfX98KlMkvRg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEOQ6uIgKPg&list=UUGIY_O-8vW4rfX98KlMkvRg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEyuZ6Kf2u4&list=UUGIY_O-8vW4rfX98KlMkvRg
Not one of those adverts have been shown in the UK, it looks like the USA has a marketing team that does some marketing!!
Maybe Nintendo should sack the entire marketing teams in Europe and let NoA do the work they should be doing?
I sometimes wonder how much money these "AAA" third party games make after their ad buys. Putting a commercial into heavy rotation during prime time or major sporting events as well as kids/teen/tween oriented programming as well as plastering them all over the internet has got to cost a lot of money.
We're talking millions. Some developers have admitted that the cost of advertising outweighs development costs sometimes.
I'd love to know just what kind of profit margins these games make after all the advertising expenses, and who pays for the ad buys.
There was plenty of marketing and coverage for the game. The sad fact about European game industry is that unless it's Minecraft, Fifa or some overhyped multiplat game (Destiny, Watch Dogs, Titanfall) it just wont do well. That especially goes for cult games like Bayonetta
@ThumperUK Well that's true. My apologies, I didn't think about the ads that are being shown in other countries. After seeing this video, I don't know what the fu*# is going on at Nintendo of Europe. Somebody there must also work at Sony -_-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWt7HtdPkDE
I also agree with whodatninja. Europe doesn't seem to give a crap about Nintendo games, and are crazy about Fifa, Minecraft, or a overhyped multiplat game.
It's truly criminal how this series seems to always struggle at retail. Both Bayonetta's are 2 of the finest action games ever created, for any platform.
I was a skeptic in the sense that I was totally uninterested in the first game when it was available for other systems when first released. But after Bayo 2 received 10s and all of my friends who played the first said it was awesome I took the plunge and got them both. Now I'm kicking myself for not playing the 1st one sooner.
As opposed to the US where the top selling games have all been colourful, innovative games, right? Oh no, hang on, that chart looks just like the UK one! In fact Wii U games feature in the UK top 10 more often than they do in the North American top 10. Last month, the top selling games over there were Destiny, Madden and FIFA.
Why people in this site think that UK Sales = World Wide Sales. You have to understand that they only like to buy FIFA, COD and overhyped games, UK people have terrible taste for games. (
It seems that if Nintendo wants its games to sell in the UK, they need to get them licensed by FIFA.
UK is dropping the ball on this. I want to see Bayonetta 3 on the wiiu!
@rennandovale agreed but it still is frustrating.
The same thing as always; People complain about lack of adult & 3rd party games - and when they appear, no-one buys them. Just accept that Nintendo-produced games + eShop indies are what we'll have on WiiU and be satisfied - I am...
Buy a PS4 or PC for the other stuff. (Yeah, XB1 left out on purpose )
Not surprised at all. It's a niche game. Why people were thinking this game was gonna move systems is beyond me.
I've not seen a single ....poster ......advert on tv......advert on non gaming wbsite.....radio(still a thing for some,cod etc use it).....bus poster......my local stores say they order on request and don't have stock!!!
ABSOLUTE FAIL Nintendo, what are you thinking!!!
@rylo151 gamers just suck at acknowledging great games on platforms they don't cheer for
The problem is a lack of interest for the wii u not the game, im sure many want to play it but can't justify buying the console just for it, the wiiu just isn't as attactive long term, thats not to say ps4 or xboxone are doing any better for games and are so far proving to be an expensive gimmick but they have other multimedia features which act as like an all in one media centre. The other thing is, many who wanted it would have bought it already, it also doesn't help when the crappy shops such as game in the uk sold their soul for maximum profits and now show barely any interest for anything niche/indie.
This really saddens me as Bayonetta 2 is already hands down my favorite game on the Wii U (just like how Bayonetta was my favorite game on the Xbox 360, so that wasn't much of a surprise). I feel that it's both Nintendo and the consumer's faults. While I highly respect Nintendo for actually attempting to advertise the game on TV in America, the commercial was exclusive to Adult Swim between midnight to 5:00 in the morning. They didn't put online banners on websites or tell the Miiverse community about the game even when it was released. With very little advertising, no wonder it's not selling very well. It's also the consumer's fault since a majority of Nintendo gamers are most focused towards famous 1st party games such as Mario, Zelda, Smash, or Tomodachi Life/Animal Crossing. Nintendo of America's Youtube page has posted several Bayonetta 2 videos to hype their fans but according to view count, those videos can't reach past 400,000, sometimes not even 100,000 (minus the E3 2013 video). Take a look at a trailer of a new Mario, Zelda, or Smash video and they can reach over 1,000,000 views easily. Platinum Games really tried to peak some Nintendo gamer's interests by adding Nintendo themed costumes too but even that didn't help. Nintendo gamer's have been more and more niche over the years which also is a part of why we don't have third party support on the Wii U. I hate to admit it, but Bayonetta 2 has become another example of Nintendo trying to do things differently but failing because of terrible marketing and lack of interest in the fan base. (I hate to be so negative but this honestly does kind of upset me. :/ )
Oh my God, did you guys actually and truly believed this game will be a sales success? Seriously? based on what?! that game BOMBED on the nerdcores twin consoles, what made you believe this time would be different.
It's a NICHE game for a very NICHE audience and had the sales it deserved. There was no reason for nintendo to waste money in this game. This game is only to please a couple of otakus.
You people are unbelivable.
really don't think there's much to look into with this, considering the beefy amount of games that are out / coming. I believe the game will have a good shelf life
Much expected. It's a niche game for a niche audience. Nintendo has definitely done some advertising in the US. Nintendo actually does a ton of website banners, but it's a waste of money when everybody uses adblock except on select sites (like this one).
We'll see how well Bayonetta 2 does in the US market. I actually think that digital sales might be higher than we expect, and since Nintendo almost never reports digital sales, we have skewed data.
If Nintendo spent as much on ads as Sony and MS, they'd be losing alot more.
True story: European and particularily UK gamers don't buy Nintendo console games. The MK8 numbers are mostly from bundles, the only bundle that's selling and the only game anyone cares about.
Japan SEEMS like the worst market, but only due to a much smaller population.
Then again, it's due to the greater population density that handhelds are so popular.
Bayonetta 2, as I've said before, is just the next Nintendo game to fail to move Wii Us. Without FIFA, the Evil Within, Destiny or Middle Earth, the Wii U isn't even an option, as far as European gamers are concerned, regardless of how poorly these games may play.
I have to agree with Iceclimbers and minotaurgamer, Bayonetta is a pretty niche game (too weird for mass market), published on a niche console, that's two mentions of the word "niche" too many for it to be a big hit...
Sadly there are two things that most gamers like: complaining about yet another CoD/Fifa/FPS coming out and lapping those games up like dogs anyway
I haven't seen any ads, tis a massive shame but then again it's a niche game on a vary niche console.
niche market niche game = niche sales
Is everybody skipping over the part about stock?
I've seen people everywhere talk about how they can't find the game anywhere because the stores ain't stocking the game properly, pile that with the pre-purchase of shelf space policy at various stores and you don't get a good situation.
I'm not saying that the game would be a top sell, but I am making note that the people who didn't pre-order the game are having an extremely hard time getting their hands on it.
@SahashraLA Japan has 127,000,000 people in it which is loads more than the UK (Approximately double).
Well if it's lack of interest that's pretty disappointing for UK cuz it really is one of the best action games ever created, & this is coming from someone that usually doesn't like theses types as much. It's so jam packed action but it's all super thoughtful & artistic even it's just seriously a work of art. Btw, the over-the-top "sexuslization" of her, it's off-putting to me, but a housemate is a Japanese exchange student & to him it's just normal Japanese style anime, & when I play now to me it's not "sexy" but more funny. Anyways, Bayonetta is an awesome character & game, PLAY IT UK!!!! cuz y'all are seriously missing out!!
Not fair these people have no idea what they are missing
@Mega719
That's what I was thinking. People will line up for every mediocre game on a popluar system, and completely ignore a masterpiece on a lesser-known system. Such a shame.
Think about it this way: Instead of buying a load of mediocre PS4 and Xbox One shooters at $60 a piece you could buy a Wii U and Bayonetta 2 instead
@SahashraLA Ha! I wondered how long it'd take you to crop up in the thread and start blaming Europeans and the UK for all of Nintendo's woes.....
As the first Bayonetta wasn't a huge seller it's not surprising that the sequel would get fairly modest sales too. Add to that the UK is Sony country and it's even less surprising.
It's a shame because Bayonetta 2 is a fantastic game, but the best games don't always equal the best sales. I just hope that it did well in North America as I'd like another sequel too.
Niche my backside. I read - if it is true - that platinum was hoping for at the high end 1m sales.
This is no cheap remake. If they want to make any real money the game must perform much better than it is currently.
Niche or not games must sell to keep the devs in business.
When Nintendo learn to market their console and the games on it maybe some third parties may show interest.
As it stands I don't blame them for ditching a system that the manufacturers themselves can't be bothered to promote.
Despite all the praise the media and some hardcore fans have hyped on it I think it is a lack of interest. I played it the other day and I still don't get the hype. If you ignore the constant sensory overload for a second, which I think distracts most people from ever really considering if they are genuinely having fun or not, then I don't think there's really a particularly enjoyable or compelling game there. It's not a bad game, by any stretch of the imagination, but it's ultimately just button mashing with constant visual distraction layered on top. Like a gambling machine that has constant lights flashing and beeping sounds to overwhelm your rational brain and distract you from the fact that all you are really doing is ultimately just putting coin after coin into the machine and waiting for that big cash payoff and genuinely rewarding win that almost never comes but you keep mindlessly inserting coin after coin because you're stuck in a compulsion loop. Constant flashes, beeps and visual overload combined with the same repetitive motion does not a genuinely great and fun game make imo. But hey, maybe I'm wrong and the sales have dropped off because the game has totally sold out and they simply can't keep up with demand.
In Mexico there were a little stock, last saturday was an important sale in one of the Most important retailers (but not game specific store) and they were out of it, just a week before of it release, so I think this was a problem like almost everywhere
I hope I can still find the special edition in Finnish shops in about two weeks from now as I'm still abroad on vacation. Really want to buy Bayo1&2 on disc immediately when I'm back.
@Kirk Actually there is truth in what you say. I'm really enjoying it and think there's a lot of depth beyond it being a button masher but you really have to take time to learn the stages and how the enemies attack and when to dodge. The first time you play any stage it is just complete sensory overload until you replay them, put the practice in and improve, but a lot of gamers today don't have the patience or will to do that unfortunately and will just judge Bayonetta completely on how it first appears to them.
@ToxieDogg
I honestly think the game director is at fault here for not taking this kind of thing into account. No game should be so overloading to the senses that it actually puts people off before they've ever really gotten into it. It's like having a HUD/GUI that's so visually busy, with loads of intricate little icons and indicators overlaid all over the screen etc, it's just hard to actually read what's going on until you spend time to investigate every little icon and button. Another example, from the movies this time, would be an action scene in a movie that's edited so haphazardly that it's basically impossible to actually follow the action until you watch the movie a few times and try to break down everything that's going on in the scene (like many of the action scenes in Quantum of Solace for example). It's just not good design imo. It's tasking the user with the wrong challenges and obstacles to overcome.
To be clear, I'm not saying this is a bad game because it's not but that's just a major design flaw imo.
@AlexOlney
(I believe you meant "Let us", not "Lets u", in the last sentence.)
I think that bayonetta 2 was is a great game, I just think that it is one of those games that takes a little while to get used to playing. I experienced a similar feeling with the Monster Hunter series. They are both great series but they are not for the casual gamer or maybe not even some intermediate gamers, they need to be played enough that you get used to the controls and the gameplay.
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