Topic: No Love for the 64

@Tyler
There's nothing weird about a plumber wearing a racoon suit.

I dislike Waluigi because his creation was contrived and only for a sports spin-off game. He also looks like a sexual deviant.

@Cow LOL i 2nd that about Waluigi

I'm a HUGE FAN of the N64!
Super Smash Bros. should be on the Virtual Console next!

It's one of my favorite systems, why neglect it? Sure we just got Majora Mask, but that doesn't cut for how much Nintendo of America has been neglecting the Nintendo 64. Licensing issues, Rare not supporting the VC, and lack of third-party support is going to insult the N64 legacy someday on the Virtual Console.

This liscening thing is crap, if you have a game on a console, the company who made the console, SHOULD HAVE FULL RIGHTS TO THE GAME.

I payed 600 points for the NES TMNT. That should be proof enough i'm willing to pay extra for liscensed games.

I know. It's completely unfair. How are we not allowed licensed games? I'm willing to pay 100 extra point for a great license game such as TMNT: Turtles in Time, but they're too lazy to add the extra 100 points. However, this will eventually be resolve.

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I know. It's completely unfair. How are we not allowed licensed games? I'm willing to pay 100 extra point for a great license game such as TMNT: Turtles in Time, but they're too lazy to add the extra 100 points. However, this will eventually be resolve.

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to any one with an issue with licensed games (and to this complaint in specific:
1 - how would you handle multiplatform games?
2 - or one on a console whose manufacturer no longer makes consoles (example, any Genesis game)
3 - a game being on a console basically just means that:

• the console manufacturer released a development kit to the developer
• it meets the rules for a game to go on sale on a console
• the developer chose to develop for that console
  basically, the console its on and the developer really have nothing to do with each other

4 - when the game is developed, it is generally the intellectual property of the people that worked on it, and/or that of people related to the game's origin (for example, Harry Potter games still fall under the IP of J. K. Rowling). If those people do not, or cannot, permit a game to be released, or re-released, then there isn't a damn thing anyone can do.
5 - some games are simply impossible to be re-released. the Banjo Kazooie games, for example, belong to Microsoft now. Not because the XBox is the console they are on now, but because Microsoft owns the developers of those games (Rare), who in turn own those games. For them to come on the Virtual Console, Nintendo would have to ask Microsoft to help them by giving them good games to sell with only a hope of profit. Good luck
6 - some licensed games are also tie-ins (to a movie, tv show, etc.) which are either non-relevant, non-popular, non-profitable, or impossible to get the rights to nowadays.
7 - the developer of the game may no longer exist, ending the series permanently. You wouldn't believe how many game series this has/could happened to.

@CowLaunch: I imagine Waluigi might drive an ice cream truck...

@WanderLustWarrior I see. But you have to think about it like this. Banjo Kazooie came out for the NIntendo 64. I repeat NINTENDO 64. Did it come out for the Microsoft 64, the Rare 64, the Xbox 64, no. It came out on Nintendo, it would be nothing without Nintendo.

@subzerobf
I'm of the opinion that it would be nothing without the people who made it. But thats just my opinion; clearly if you make something that doesn't give you any connection to it.

And by your same line of thought, Sonic games should have stopped immediately after the dreamcast, Halo should be a Mac exclusive, Final Fantasy should have stopped after 6, and Nintendo also gets full credit for Superman 64.
If you can't really see the problem with this thinking (or the purpose of the patent office) I see no point in arguing this further. Good day.

@Subzerobf
It doesn't matter which system it came out on. Rare has been sold, and along with it went their intellectual properties. Things such as the Donkey Kong Country games ARE properties directly owned by Nintendo, not Rare, which is why they have hit the VC.

I don't see why Rare wouldn't allow any of their games on VC anyway?
With all its success, they would be able to make some cash.

It's all because Microsoft own them. Why would Microsoft allow Rare to put games on a rivals service?

The same reason they were allowed to make Diddy Kong Racing DS, maybe?

I agree,Nintendo hates the N64. Nintendo should support the N64 a LOT more. Oh,and Waluigi is meh.

2 points regarding Rare (this has been answered on other forums on this site recently):

1. Rare did develop the game DKC and others, but because it is starring Nintendo owned characters, the rights revert back to Nintendo. By comparison, Banjo et. al. are not Nintendo owned, so the same can't be done there.

2. "Handhelds are a different issue entirely, FYI, as Microsoft currently has no gaming handheld, Rare can (and has) develop for that." (answered on a different forum again, but I really wouldn't expect anyone to search through everything. I sure as heck wouldnt)

TL;DR: rights are a very tricky thing, for the most part, I'd suggest trusting a company when they DON'T do something that would earn them money, cause either they're incompetent enough that it's not going to happen anyway, or they have a good enough reason. Considering all the mea culpas after last year's E3, I think its safe to say nintendo was the first, but is now moving to the second.

Tru dat. I actually read that before but forgot.

Sallright, no worries. And thanks for reading my posts.

Well Rare was a part of Nintendo when they made the games, so doesn't nintendo have some right to them?

This is getting very frustrating. I can excuse questions when the answer is in a different thread, but the EXACT answer to your question is in this one. Please read post 36. To be sure I'm not writing in some sort of code, DKC stands for Donkey Kong Country, but could also mean any rare game starring Nintendo characters. "Et. al." means "and others", so games similar to the Banjo Kazooie games that are not starring Nintendo characters, that Rare has the rights to.

I'm going to try to stop myself from answering the same question again, but if this gets any more redundant, I don't want to sound harsh, but I'm going to have to ask the mods to do something about posters' lack of ability to read.