Oh for pete's sake. If you want to buy a New Play Control game, then go ahead and buy one! Why can't I just buy the games I want without being scrutinized by these hardcore gamers who take themselves way to seriously? Why can't I just have fun playing the games I want to play? People are acting like they've never heard of a remake before. Nobody complains about all those Final Fantasy remakes, why are these NPC games any different?
Okay sorry for that rant there, I'm just really sick of all the hatred for the NPC games. I've heard enough of it. Oh and I'm new here, so go easy on me.
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Why can't I just buy the games I want without being scrutinized by these hardcore gamers who take themselves way to seriously? Why can't I just have fun playing the games I want to play?
Nobody is taking anything too seriously nor throwing around the silly, often misused "hardcore"
This is a case of wanting new games more than old games. If you want new games more than old games, you can't support Nintendo's current actions. Simple as that.
Nobody complains about all those Final Fantasy remakes, why are these NPC games any different?
Final Fantasy remakes are usually not playable on the platform they're being made for. Gamecube games can be played on the Wii. Final Fantasy SNES cartridges can not be placed inside the DS. (Not 100% sure I haven't tried)
There's a huge difference. Like Chrono Trigger was a remake for the DS, but that was okay because DS owners couldn't play Chrono Trigger already. Wii owners can already play these games.
Nintendo is releasing games we can already play. They're also not releasing new games. See the problem yet?
Did Sony remake PS1 games because a lot of PS2 users didn't know their PS2 could play PS1 games? Yeahhh
That's not a good comparison. PS1 games would control EXACTLY THE SAME on PS2 as they would on PS1. That would be just plain stupid. Nintendo's newfangled motion controller gives them a perfect excuse to rehash the same game from 4 years ago. While some of them, like Pikmin and Metroid Prime, might control better with the Wiimote, that's no reason why they couldn't apply the same brand of motion controls and accessability to Pikmin 3. If it wasn't for this damn series, I could be playing that and Punch-Out!! right now...
I really wanted to play NPC Mario Power Tennis, cuz tennis games fit the Wii like a glove, but after seeing all those horrible reviews, I guess they can't work all the time...
It'd be different if they were remaking an N64 game to have Wii controls and improved graphics, that would be different, and I might -- might -- even support that. But remaking Gamecube games with minor changes for a system that already plays Gamecube games is just a bit silly.
About Pikmin, I hadn't thought of Pikmin 3 competing against these remakes. That makes sense. In light of that, I am going to put my money on a new Star Fox this year. I can't think of another Nintendo franchise that would be both a good holiday seller and not already on Wii.
Did Sony remake PS1 games because a lot of PS2 users didn't know their PS2 could play PS1 games? Yeahhh
I'm with Ricardo91 here. It's a different kettle of fish with Nintendo; the PS1 and PS2 had the same controlers - ergo New Play Control would be impossible.
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Nintendo is releasing games we can already play. They're also not releasing new games. See the problem yet?
Nintendo are releasing the games that the old consumer base have played. Do you have any idea of how many new people there are to the market? It is perfect business sense to re-release these games on the Wii; there is minimal effort involved in these ports with new controls slapped on, which ensures a higher profit margin for Nintendo. It's harsh, but that's business for you.
As for the NPC games, I do see what you mean about them being a bit of a rip-off, but they are improved versions of their predecessors, especially Pikmin (I scored that one 9/10 in my review).
It's interesting that you brought this up though, because it has been the focal point in a part of a new series of features we're brining to the site. Watch this space!
Did Sony remake PS1 games because a lot of PS2 users didn't know their PS2 could play PS1 games? Yeahhh
That's not a good comparison. PS1 games would control EXACTLY THE SAME on PS2 as they would on PS1. That would be just plain stupid. Nintendo's newfangled motion controller gives them a perfect excuse to rehash the same game from 4 years ago.
Well I brought that up because his whole thing was "Wii owners don't know they can play Gamecube games" Same holds true for the PS2 and a majority of it's users.
Like what you kinda referred to though, Sony couldn't pass this off as being "Hey we're gonna let you play this with new controls! Yay!" PS2 fans would actually see the remakes for what they were, a quick shot at cash and a chance to be lazy, and then Sony might have lost the few fans that would go on to buy a PS3. lol
Nintendo are releasing the games that the old consumer base have played. Do you have any idea of how many new people there are to the market? It is perfect business sense to re-release these games on the Wii; there is minimal effort involved in these ports with new controls slapped on, which ensures a higher profit margin for Nintendo. It's harsh, but that's business for you.
For all we know, the new audience that the Wii has brought in doesn't even care about these games, hence Stuffgamer saying that they've been selling poorly.
Well, the concern here is that good sales for games that require almost no effort on Nintendo's part would encourage a slower release schedule of brand new games since they wouldn't need them. It's not that the games might not be better with the new controls. I bet Pikmin and Metroid are.
But is that enough for those who have already bought the games for GC and finished them? If Nintendo continues to rely on old games for sales instead of releasing new ones, long-time fans are at a loss. Obviously, they're not going to stop making new games entirely, but there's no denying the release schedule has slowed since that initial rush of new games they were pushing with Prime, Galaxy, Paper Mario, etc.
Nintendo are releasing the games that the old consumer base have played. Do you have any idea of how many new people there are to the market? It is perfect business sense to re-release these games on the Wii; there is minimal effort involved in these ports with new controls slapped on, which ensures a higher profit margin for Nintendo. It's harsh, but that's business for you.
For all we know, the new audience that the Wii has brought in doesn't even care about these games, hence Stuffgamer saying that they've been selling poorly.
It's all about anticipating sales. Think for a moment; why else would Nintendo release these games? It's obviously what they were trying to do, which makes sense on paper -- I didn't elude to that actually being the case. I think Pikmin has sold around 300,000 units, and I would be very interested to see what the development costs were in comparison. I can't envision it being much to slap the new controls on, so I'd be surprised if it's losing Nintendo money -- hence my reasoning for why Nintendo are pursuing this route.
Nintendo are releasing the games that the old consumer base have played. Do you have any idea of how many new people there are to the market? It is perfect business sense to re-release these games on the Wii; there is minimal effort involved in these ports with new controls slapped on, which ensures a higher profit margin for Nintendo. It's harsh, but that's business for you.
I know all this. Which is why people should want Nintendo to stop taking advantage of those who don't know they can already play these games. We should let it be known new fans and old fans both want new games. My original post never questioned why they're doing. It's a friendly reminder that if people here want new games, they can't help support these remakes.
As for the NPC games, I do see what you mean about them being a bit of a rip-off, but they are improved versions of their predecessors, especially Pikmin (I scored that one 9/10 in my review).
Ehh the jury is out on Mario Tennis being an improvement.
Pikmin is an improvement but (A) Its shelf time might determine how long until we see Pikmin 3 and (B) purchasing the game means you're okay with Nintendo making these "rip-offs"
And I'm seeing an 8 out of 10 on your review, which is where I was originally going to post this but I thought the forum could use some flavor. lol
This is a case of wanting new games more than old games. If you want new games more than old games, you can't support Nintendo's current actions. Simple as that. ... Nintendo is releasing games we can already play. They're also not releasing new games. See the problem yet?
I want old games more than new games, but those NPC games aren't old enough, nor good enough for their price tag compared to the competition. But by releasing Wiimakes, the more important teams can focus on other things, if they didn't release these Wiimakes as Terranigma (I think) already said they probably wouldn't release anything. But I suppose if we had it your way we'd get 9 games but some would suck like DK Barrel Whatever, or be packaged with a pointless peripheral like Link.
Nintendo isn't releasing new games, doesn't that mean they are likely making new games? But you say that's a problem, I can think of a quick solution for you. Nintendo could liscense Mario and the gang to DSI and have them crank out the Nintendo games
It's kind of funny though how you argue things like NPC (which are, core games and not mingame collections), but then last year when the VC was crap you were defending Nintendo, since it was in their best interest and they knew what they were doing.
And I'm seeing an 8 out of 10 on your review, which is where I was originally going to post this but I thought the forum could use some flavor. lol
Whoops, typo there -- yeah, 8/10 (I know my own content... honest!) I do think that the game is better than the original -- put the GC and Wii versions side by side and I will always go for the Wii -- it's just that with it being a port, I couldn't justify a fantastic score.
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Ehh the jury is out on Mario Tennis being an improvement.
Pikmin is an improvement but (A) Its shelf time might determine how long until we see Pikmin 3 and (B) purchasing the game means you're okay with Nintendo making these "rip-offs"
Yes, I suppose I am OK with them. I enjoy replaying these titles. Sure, I would like to see new content, but I don't mind the recycled stuff. The creative minds of Nintendo aren't working on these ports, so I doubt it is really hindering the development of new titles.
As long as the game shows improvement (Pikmin), then I see no reason why NOT to buy it. However, this thread brings up some very valid points. Nintendo is slow with it comes to developing new games for us to play. I didn't want a GCN Pikmin. I wanted Pikmin 3. I also wish to see a better variety of other games instead of the same things rehased over and over. This system has more potential then anyother system out there and I feel Nintendo is missing a grand opportunity to exploit it.
The DS has wonderful games on it and I can't figure out for the life of me why they haven't put any of those type of games on the Wii.
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The creative minds of Nintendo aren't working on these ports, so I doubt it is really hindering the development of new titles.
I don't know that it is a matter of "Putting these programmers at work on NPC titles is deterring them from creating new titles," but rather "If Nintendo keeps publishing rehashed titles, it will slow the release of new titles -- not because there aren't the resources for them -- but because they don't want the new titles to compete with the old ones, making the old ones look unworthy of purchase." I'm sure new games are being developed, too, but the question is more, when will we see them? Without these GC remakes to lean on, Nintendo would have more pressure to release new games at a more frequent pace like they were doing a year or two ago.
The creative minds of Nintendo aren't working on these ports, so I doubt it is really hindering the development of new titles.
I don't know that it is a matter of "Putting these programmers at work on NPC titles is deterring them from creating new titles," but rather "If Nintendo keeps publishing rehashed titles, it will slow the release of new titles -- not because there aren't the resources for them -- but because they don't want the new titles to compete with the old ones, making the old ones look unworthy of purchase." I'm sure new games are being developed, too, but the question is more, when will we see them? Without these GC remakes to lean on, Nintendo would have more pressure to release new games at a more frequent pace like they were doing a year or two ago.
Take a look at the release list, this is not happening. Have you noticed how close in Proximity Pikmin 1 & 2 are to each other? I wouldn't be surprised to see Pikmin 3 coming out in the next year.
It's possible. It would have been better if they had just skipped the whole NPC business and gotten Pikmin 3 out this year instead, though. Wii got a lot of ports with tacked on motion / IR controls, and every other company received criticism for it, so I don't want to make an exception just because I really like Nintendo.
Of course, to be more optimistic, it's not like these are holiday titles. This time of year is generally when the worst games and movies tend to come out; hopefully as summer approaches we'll hear about something new and the NPCs will be left behind for awhile. And even if we do get another disappointing year, at least there is still the VC and WiiWare, which was the reason I got the Wii in the first place. Hopefully Sin & Punishment 2 and Conduit are a sign that we'll have a good third-party year, too, regardless of if Nintendo drops the ball or not.
It's kind of funny though how you argue things like NPC (which are, core games and not mingame collections), but then last year when the VC was crap you were defending Nintendo, since it was in their best interest and they knew what they were doing.
Well yeah it's because no company is solid black and white. Sometimes they do good stuff and other times it seems the person in charge has been hit with one too many coconuts.
So that's $38 plus shipping, and you could be playing both games in two weeks. Which will be cheaper and faster than supporting the bad cause Nintendo will be offering.
So that's $38 plus shipping, and you could be playing both games in two weeks. Which will be cheaper and faster than supporting the bad cause Nintendo will be offering.
Personally, I am going to re-buy these games for the new controls, and I know others here who will be doing the same. I think the new controls are worthwhile, especially in shooters.
Take a look at the release list, this is not happening. Have you noticed how close in Proximity Pikmin 1 & 2 are to each other? I wouldn't be surprised to see Pikmin 3 coming out in the next year.
When is NPC Pikmin 2's release date exactly?
And if the game could have been released this year, but is being pushed back because of the remakes, there is a problem. Well either way there is a problem but this would be an even bigger one.
Personally, I am going to re-buy these games for the new controls, and I know others here who will be doing the same. I think the new controls are worthwhile, especially in shooters.
That's fine. We're all unique like snowflakes.
It's just letting others know Nintendo could take more games from last gen, slap on Wii controls, and release them as Wii games and that'd be okay with you. That's not okay with me so I refuse to support this.
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