Topic: Wii U and the state of the industry

The point I was trying to make by countering your GBA argument is that the GBA library being compared to the 3DS library is like comparing the PSP library to the Vita library. Both the GBA and PSP were out and (except PSP) completed their lifecycles with many, many games. Comparing libraries to two new systems wouldn't make sense because there are still more games coming.

And as for the technical aspects of 3DS vs Vita, this means nothing. The DS was vastly inferior to the PSP in nearly every way, but the DS won that handheld battle. The 3DS, as you've already mentioned, is inferior to the Vita in almost every way, but so far, it's doing better. I know it had a year's headstart, but Sony and most of their fans said the Vita was going to destroy the 3DS when it came out. The Vita was going to win inevitably. But as the numbers have shown, the 3DS is more popular still. Only time will tell, but looking back, the 3DS still has a fighting chance. The only actual advantage the 3DS has over the Vita is control. It is through an accessory, but with the Circle Pad Pro, the 3DS gains two more shoulder buttons and a right analog stick thus giving it the same amount of control options as playing a Wii game that is compatible with the Classic Controller.

Buy a Vita. You don't need to buy anything else to play.

Buy a 3DS.

• and a circle pad pro which is sold separately

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No, it doesnt. The WiiU clearly outclasses the Wii independently of the support it will have for games. If doesnt matter that you try to use that non sense argument only when conventient for you, game library doesnt determine whether a device is or not outclassed by another. Vita outclasses also the PSP, independently how many games the PSP has, and the same happens with Vita vs 3DS. With this I'm not saying that Vita will be able to sell as many units as 3DS, this is also unrelated to the term outclass. But on the other side the term "outclassed" is quite related to the longevity of the device before needing to be replaced.

Do you think that Sony needs to update the Vita with something? Do you think that something is missing on its design? Can you say the same for the 3DS?

well PS2 is still selling xbox isn't so better tech doesn't exactly ensure longevity either.

The 3ds and vita are fine and if we are talking about games the 3ds psp and ds have better games then vita

aha, so we cannot compare GBA and 3DS libraries because GBA was already longer in the market, but on the other side we can compare 3DS and Vita's libraries based on the same argument might be? I would say that is "a bit" unfair, then might be you guys should wait a year or so before comparing game libraries. mmm how many decent games had the 3DS before the price cut BTW? I bought it as soon as it was released and the first year was like a dry desert.

The funny part is that if I say that MK7 or MLand were decent games, some one will come and using the very same argumentation as for the Vita and PS3 they must reply me sayng that these are worthless because the Wii ones were way better, correct Moomoo?? Someone will come saying the same about OOT because it was just a port from N64 adding nothing special, right? Of course same applies to Starfox, so what do we have left for the 3DS? RE? Again using the same argumentation the versions for big consoles are better too. It is interesting to see how people attack Uncharted because PS3 versions are better, but they dont say anything about Mland vs MGalaxy or MK7 vs Mkart. Then they say that most Vita games are ports or similar to ports, but the same doesnt apply to OOT, Starfox, MK7, MLand, MTennis and even Pilot Wings vs Wii Sport Resort. Because if they apply the same criteria, what would be left as original and unique for the 3DS? the horrible KI? Using the very same argument Vita games are overpriced, but the same doesnt apply to 3D, right? And the extremist fanboy is me, right?

well they might well say those things if that is their opinion the internet is full of opinion, pretty par for the course on a forum; as for which is overpriced to me they both are.

Soo when. Do you think the next gen consoles will be announced and released.

For the 720 I'm going with an annoucment between October and December withs release next November. For Sony a tease at tgs and maybe a release in 2014.

@Aviator Yeah, you can buy a 3DS with the Circle Pad Pro and you would have still spent less than getting the Vita. Don't forget your proprietary memory stick .

@Mandoble I'm certain you were comparing the Vita and 3DS as well and in fact saying that the Vita had more games and games of better quality. So no, the 3DS's year long advantage isn't an unfair comparison to make when you name eleven Vita games to try and compare to five 3DS games.

I don't know where you're coming from with the "all Vita games ar ports" argument. I didn't say that. Most games on the market today are ports, sequels, or remakes, so saying that against any console's library would just give your opposition room to say the same. The same with the overpriced thing, I didn't say that either. I only think the Vita itself seems over priced in that you have to buy a proprietary memory stick that costs about $20 on a system where you would desparately need the extra space.

And please stop saying Kid Icarus is a horrible game. It really isn't.

You didnt say that, I was referring to MooMoo, as well as many others saying that Vita games are too similar to what they already have for their PS3, but at the same time they dont apply the same critic for 3DS ones. And I cannot stop saying KI is horrible, it is not only horrible visually speaking, its control is horrible too, the argument, the story, the gameplay, the lack of localization other than English (quite incredible for a company like Nintendo BTW), everything is horrible there But yes, I said that for me current Vita library is more solid than 3DS one, I was replied that I'm the minority which is fine, then wait one year and lets see what happens with that supposed majority.

3DS with circle pad pro is not any option as only few devs will be doing anything specific for it, not even the horrible KI supports it AFAIK. You cannot develop a game based on an awful piece of plastic that only a minority might be using. I hope you dont try to imply that all the extra cost of the Vita is just because of its second analog, right?

@Mandoble: Hah! You see right for me.
Confession time: I bought a 3DS because my DSlite had broken L and R buttons. I didn't want to get it fixed when I could just buy a DSi for not so much more money. However, the 3DS had just come out, and since the 3DS was only $100 more, I thought "why not". Also, there'd be a new Pokemon game on it eventually, so there was very little to lose.
Now, in regards to the portable games vs. their console brethren: Mario 3D Land takes a very different approach to platforming then Mario Galaxy. I don't think it's as good, but it's a very different kind of game. Uncharted: Golden Abyss is Uncharted in your pocket. That's it. Since part of what makes Uncharted so great are the grand setpieces (that train level in Uncharted 2 still wows me), some of the effect is lost. It doesn't try to be different, and while that is great in it's own right, it's very hard to justify buying it if you don't own the other games yet. As for MK 7 (as in Mario Kart), you got me. Mario Kart is more suited to portable play, but when compared to the one on DS, I found it to be kind of lacking.
3DS and Vita both have mostly overpriced stuff. I think $40 is just too big an asking price for most games. That's why most of my games I didn't buy for $40; I bought most of them for half-off at least. A year head-start really helped it in that regard.

As for Kid Icarus being horrible, it's your opinion. I found the game to be the best on the 3DS, although I loved Metroid Prime Hunters and Moon on the system, so maybe that has something to do with it.
As for the Resident Evil argument, a lot of people found Revelations to be a far superior game to RE 5, so there's that. Right now, it's looking a lot better then RE 6 too, which is coming out later this year. Isn't it kind of ironic that a portable game could be the best one this year? But I digress.

I do think you're completely right on the circle pad pro. No dev is going to make a game that will work exclusively with it. There's just too few people using it.

yup the 2nd analog stick defently upped the price sorry

Who gives a about vita vs 3ds. Both are good systems with their shortcomings.

Why does everyone feel the need to compare these two consoles. Just buy both and be happy

I have both and enjoy them both soon ac 3 liberation^^

but i guess te wii u fine if the price is right

Real gamers would have both. Fact. :3

@OlympicCho
Real gamers with money and time to play both of them.
Unless if all real gamers have both of those in spades. Then I guess you're right.

Real gamers are like Chuck Norris: They don't need to make money and time to play games. Money and time gets out of the way when a real gamer is coming.

To the Topic Creator:

You bring up some very valid points on all fronts. What I believe in is that where ever you turn, there are "things" or "items" that are here to "entertain" you. Whether that is playing a Mario game, watching a Football match, or growing cabbage on a social gathering site, people are looking to be entertained, in some form or another.

The die hards or "hard core" gamer will always shell out money to play games, however they make up a very small percentage of total video game players. It's similar to how most people play "Freemium" games on their smart phones, and only 1-3% of people actually upgrade in these games. The problem with consoles is certain software developers are pushing the hardware companies to make more powerful machines that don't make the hardware company any money for years, so they resort to licensing fees and subscription models to make money.

The issue today really is we are in a depressed economy globally and companies are not going to take chances of investing millions of dollars into an idea only for it to fail. It's all about how they can makes as much $$$ as possible, and that $$$ comes from your desire to be entertained. I mean, the game Max Payne 3, which released the same day as Diablo III, needed to sell 4 million units to "break even." Well, they won't hit that mark, and now that company will lose millions. Video game budgets have gone through the roof, just like Hollywood movies, and unless companies can meet their sales expectations of selling millions of copies of one game, you will see more software developers go under.

If you watched E3, there was little to no talk about games on the Xbox, only Connect and how to make your Xbox an all inclusive media hub.

When it comes to games, I want games, not a console that allows me to watch youtube, like things on facebook, etc. That is what computers/tablets/smartphones are for. I want to play games.

The other thing with the industry is certain themes and genres are tried and true. Mario will always sells millions of copies world wide, it's like the Disney of video games. In North America, FPS games will always be top sellers in some form or another. It's been like that for a very long time.

That statement says that there are those who exist who could be considered similar to Chuck Norris.
You might want to watch what you post.