See? Like I thought; you were arguing different things.
It's easy to see how anyone could assume @AlexSays was talking about @rallydefault's view of the game when he talked about it being huyperbolic.
I'm just surprised you didn't realise it once he seemed confused at your conclusion @AlexSays...
You say that as if there's not usually confusion with my conclusions on this site
If I say 'you'd have to be a monkey to say bananas are great', and then someone else says 'well I guess I'm a monkey', of course I'm going to assume they believe bananas are great.
If anyone would like to debate over the definition of what a 'masterpiece' is and believe Zombie U seemingly fits that description, feel free to let me know.
I also never said whether I have or have not played the game, because like I've stated, it is completely irrelevant. My personal experience does not dictate the game's impact on the gaming industry or its genre. There are great user reviews, and poor user reviews. I could fit into any of those descriptions and it would absolutely not matter.
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Yeah, confusion happens here (often times to me), but you were so quick to put down the notion you were miscommunicating.
That in itself is irrelevant though.
Now, keeping on your topic, it's objectively clear Zombi U isn't a masterpiece; it's way too unpolished to be considered that seriously. However, the game has fresh new mechanics that seemed to really benefit the genre.
If it were a polished game, say with higher quality control, it could have very well been a "masterpiece" in your sense, as it added elements that many echo should be incorporated into other survival-horror games in how it handles tension.
But of course, the game is not that, and it was too easy for people to let its apparent flaws taint the whole thing for them.
Was that along the lines of what you were looking for?
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This got out of hand quickly. Don't you people need to eat or something at some point?
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I think this one has settled down now - civilians may now return to their homes.
I've watched a a couple of mini walkthrough's, about 15 minutes each including one from 2012 and my god this is the ultimate 3rd party title to showcase how the wii u gamepad should be put to use! Survival horror games are a rarity and ridiculously niche these days, and this quite frankly is easily the most innovative of the bunch with it's super unique controls that can't be done on any other console. Hats off to Ubi for actually trying,unlike most of these other 3rd party developers, including Capcom with their lazy PS3-Wii U RE: Revelations port which seems to make weak use of the game pad.
And wasn't RE Zero one of the last 'true' survival horror games to ze' consoles? if so, we didn't go out with a bang. Remake was great though!
Yeah I liked RE Zero mate because it was the last of the epic static background of awesomeness mixed with the innovative partner zapping mechanic... Billy was a cool dudebro
Yeah, i thought Zero was pretty decent. I guess what threw me a little off was Marcus, who looked like he popped out of some animefied MetroidVania game. It just didn't fit in with the RE universe AT ALL. To top it off, aside from his unusual look, his opera singing was the sh** icing on the Barry burton cake. Code Veronica and Zero were a little too out their for my liking and they drove away(especially CV) from that grounded B-movie atmosphere
. Plus, those giant uuber realistic Battletoad Bioweapons were USELESS.lol As far as traditional RE goes, i only do 1,2,3 & the remake, Zero and CV? I would of been perfectly fine without either.lol
Actually the battletoads had the most gruesome deathblow of all the enemies in the game
Eh, come get me when they make great exclusives for the thing.
You're right. Why support a developer that's going to lose a lot of money bringing expensive triple A games to a dead end console, when they're not even exclusive?
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Ditto on this. Ubisoft is supporting Wii U more than any other 3rd party despite how awful Wii U is currently doing and people have the audacity to demand a bunch of exclusives?
I'll let you in a little secret. Gamers for the most part don't understand business at all.... Look at retro for that point.. There is a large segment of "gamers" who are angry that retro's game is DK instead of Metroid.... Just looking at the sales of both games, its easy to see why they decided on DK... It's a new platform and they need to move systems, you don't do that by releasing niche titles. The last Metroid moved 500k, while DKCR moved 5 million. Yet these "fans" of retro are having meltdowns because Retro isn't wanting to possibly losing money creating a niche game that will be lucky to meet its predecessor in sales.
Gamers are not happy unless publishers and developers are willingly trying to lose lots of money stroking the ego of their "fans"... And that goes for Ubisoft too. We are pretty lucky Ubisoft is supporting the system at all with how terrible the console is doing, yet people are having meltdowns because they are not bringing all of their games to the platform.
Has anyone else actually read the reviews for ZombiU. I mean actually read them, not just skip to its score?
All of the average and meh reviews all had one thing in common: they complained the game wasn't as easy as COD Zombies.. They didn't like have almost no ammo. They hated that it took 8 wacks with the cricket bat to kill zombies... They hated that its near impossible to kill more then 2 zombies at once with the cricket bat.... They were knocking the game for things that were design decisions to create tension. Which a horror game has to have tension or its worthless.. I even read one that knocked the game because it was "hard"
These reviewers thought it was going to be run and gun shooters like L4D and CoD.... All the positive reviews understood the direction the developers were going. Is a slow paced survival horror. The only thing it has in common with a shooter is the first person view. That's it.
Most art isnt understood when it first comes out. If you accept the game of what is instead of what you want it to be, it's easy to see why all the average reviews were rubbish.
It's like reading a review that gives animal crossing a 5 out of 10 because there isn't enough violence in it.... The review would be rubbish.
I really wish The Evil Within was coming to Wii U, with all this talk about resident evil. It is the spiritual successor to the original series (essentially everything from 4 and before)
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Zombies are so beyond stale. Well, aside from the Walking Dead where it's easy to forget about them, and the most conflict is with fellow humans. Telltale nailed the spirit of classic Romero the best.
Zombies are so beyond stale. Well, aside from the Walking Dead where it's easy to forget about them, and the most conflict is with fellow humans. Telltale nailed the spirit of classic Romero the best.
Not Telltale. Telltale borrowed the licence from The Walking Dead comic, (and TV Show) by Robert Kirkman. The game is based on the comic.
AlexSays says:
Zombie U
The closest we've had recently would probably be The Last of Us
I do like ZombiU and ZombiU does not come close to The Last Of Us, The Last Of Us is not actually a Zombie game. The Last Of Us is about humanity & what lengths human's will go to to stay alive, and the relationship between Joel & Elie. Also the idea behind the story for The Last of Us came from the BBC documentary, Planet Earth. Footage of the Cordyceps fungi decimating a colony of ants sparked the question: What if this attacked humans? The Last Of Us is a true survival horror game in the sense your ammo is very limited, you can also make make-shift weapons but again you'll not find loads of supplys. If you've played The Last Of Us you'll see why it got a 10/10, the game it's self is around 15-20 hours long, easily GOTY so far this year.
AlexSays says:
Zombie U
The closest we've had recently would probably be The Last of Us
I do like ZombiU and ZombiU does not come close to The Last Of Us, The Last Of Us is not actually a Zombie game. The Last Of Us is about humanity & what lengths human's will go to to stay alive, and the relationship between Joel & Elie. Also the idea behind the story for The Last of Us came from the BBC documentary, Planet Earth. Footage of the Cordyceps fungi decimating a colony of ants sparked the question: What if this attacked humans? The Last Of Us is a true survival horror game in the sense your ammo is very limited, you can also make make-shift weapons but again you'll not find loads of supplys. If you've played The Last Of Us you'll see why it got a 10/10, the game it's self is around 15-20 hours long, easily GOTY so far this year.
I don't think you read his comments very thoroughly.
He's been stating why Zombi U could never be objectively considered a masterpiece, while The Last of Us probably will go down as a masterpiece.
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AlexSays says:
Zombie U
The closest we've had recently would probably be The Last of Us
I do like ZombiU and ZombiU does not come close to The Last Of Us, The Last Of Us is not actually a Zombie game. The Last Of Us is about humanity & what lengths human's will go to to stay alive, and the relationship between Joel & Elie. Also the idea behind the story for The Last of Us came from the BBC documentary, Planet Earth. Footage of the Cordyceps fungi decimating a colony of ants sparked the question: What if this attacked humans? The Last Of Us is a true survival horror game in the sense your ammo is very limited, you can also make make-shift weapons but again you'll not find loads of supplys. If you've played The Last Of Us you'll see why it got a 10/10, the game it's self is around 15-20 hours long, easily GOTY so far this year.
Has anyone else actually read the reviews for ZombiU. I mean actually read them, not just skip to its score?
All of the average and meh reviews all had one thing in common: they complained the game wasn't as easy as COD Zombies.. They didn't like have almost no ammo. They hated that it took 8 wacks with the cricket bat to kill zombies... They hated that its near impossible to kill more then 2 zombies at once with the cricket bat.... They were knocking the game for things that were design decisions to create tension. Which a horror game has to have tension or its worthless.. I even read one that knocked the game because it was "hard"
These reviewers thought it was going to be run and gun shooters like L4D and CoD.... All the positive reviews understood the direction the developers were going. Is a slow paced survival horror. The only thing it has in common with a shooter is the first person view. That's it.
Most art isnt understood when it first comes out. If you accept the game of what is instead of what you want it to be, it's easy to see why all the average reviews were rubbish.
It's like reading a review that gives animal crossing a 5 out of 10 because there isn't enough violence in it.... The review would be rubbish.
I'm afraid to reenter a thread that became so agitated from my comments, but hey, I'm a sucker for drama. But yea, you're totally spot on here. Sadly, I don't think people really read reviews anymore, though. They either want video reviews because they're too lazy to read it or they just look at the score, as you said. Again, as somebody who played through the entire game, it was flippin' awesome if you "got" it. If you didn't approach it like a CoD game, if you took your time, and if you really explored, it was a well-paced and rewarding game.
I think it's another lesson in the fact that you really, really, REALLY need to play a game all the way through before "reviewing" it on forums like this. Yes, you are entitled to opinions, and yes, you are certainly allowed to put all your eggs in the media's basket, but nothing will ever beat hands-on experience. Period.
I think it's another lesson in the fact that you really, really, REALLY need to play a game all the way through before "reviewing" it on forums like this. Yes, you are entitled to opinions, and yes, you are certainly allowed to put all your eggs in the media's basket, but nothing will ever beat hands-on experience. Period.
The lesson here is that some people are unable to separate their personal enjoyment from performing a critical analysis on a game.
You're still acting as if everyone who has finished the game also feels as you do, when that is clearly wrong by the number of average user reviews of people who have claimed to finish the game. Even this site gave the game a positive review, yet pointed out clear faults and areas that could have been improved.
People can claim how amazing this game is all they want, but in reality is was received just average by critics and consumers alike.
I don't even know what to say to you anymore, man. I guess I'm flattered that you believe I speak for the gaming industry, but trust me, I'm under no delusions that my reviews of game are gospel. How can I spell that out for you any better? We're on an internet forum. 99% of what everyone types is obviously an opinion unless you are citing statistics or such.
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