Topic: The most important Nintendo article you will read

Maybe. But it's also a valid conclusion to arrive at in certain places of the article, especially after enduring the overhead of a bunch of random (personal?) insults levied at 'bad Nintendo fans.'

Oh well; I understand what's going on but the author seems way too eager for the release of pent-up frustrations. As a result there is so much collateral damage that I am some what reticent to even acknowledge any truthful bits.

This so much.

All of those Wii games sold so-so at best, I think the Wii version of Call Of Duty 3 cames close to outselling all of them combined. The best selling games were Just Dance (by a large margin), Lego and Mario & Sonic.

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Well the retail ones I mentioned did about 500-600k and by the end of the Wii's life sales like that we're better than what the more typical third party games were getting. Plus there's the fact that Okami and Rayman were multiplatform and sold best on Wii. There's a good reason why Rayman Legends was going to be exclusive just as much as there is a a good reason why they decided to go multiplatform in the end.

I disagree, a game selling slighty better on the Ninty console than a Xbox/PS doesn't mean those are the games people want people want from 3rd parties. I had a look and according to VGchart there were 117 games on the Wii that sold over a 1m copies by 3rd parties and none were the games you suggested. Like the article poorly touched on and people in thread said better people aren't buying 3rd party games even if they are like Ninty games. I made a thread a while ago about sports games saying since the Madden & FIFA games aren't coming and I see them being missed more than the likes of COD or AC (a family console missing the major sports games is a huge thing imo) what are people thoughts on someone reviving Virtual Strikers or Tecmo Bowl on the Wii U and the general reaction was they'd rather have the Mario sports games which goes with people don't buy things that unless it has a Mario name on it but for the lukewarm Ninty warms that's can be a deal breaker.

To put it into perspective, Wii Party U has sold more copies than any 3rd party game on the Wii U by a huge margin.

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And Kinect Adventures sold more than any third party game on the 360. We all know those games are the biggest sellers and I wasn't talking about those games. This thread is about the "fanboys" and an apparent bias Nintendo fans have against third parties. The fact is that some third party titles sell better on Nintendo's platforms than they do on others. The ones I mentioned were some of the key examples of games that the typical Nintendo fanboy will be interested in.

Yes the first party stuff on Nintendo does particularly well. Nintendo fans are spoilt because Nintendo is one of the most consistent and highest quality devs out there. You can measure that however you want but it's true. However Nintendo gamers will ignore everything else for a new Zelda just as much as a XBox owner will do for Halo. None of that means that a third party game can't sell.

Thank you for sharing this thought provoking article. In the end, 3rd party developers NEED Nintendo to help in the promotion of these games. Without Nintendo going the extra mile, this is a dead case. Either way, the only REAL for of promotion is via social media by the game players themselves. Without US reviewing adding comments to blogs and boards then 3rd party dies........

PowerPC architecture wasn't even specifically for BC, so your point is moot. They wanted to make it easier on developers by offering essentially the same architecture they were already familiar with, which was Wii and Xbox 360. If Xbox One and/or PS4 had had PowerPC architectures, we wouldn't even be discussing this at all, because Wii U would be easier to support. That's why it effects 3rd party offerings on Wii U, because there are 2 out of 3 consoles w/ x86, and 2 out of 3 is the priority.

If that's true, the Virtual Boy wouldn't have been a failure.

For the record, I do agree entirely that porting games that were successful on one console and putting them on another expecting them be as successful is a stupid idea unless you really have a good idea on why that would happen. But again, much of the games that should logically sell to Nintendo's audience still did way way worse than they should have on Wii. Even ignoring the fact that even on the bro-shooty 360 there's been successes for games that would fit perfectly on Nintendo (Viva Pinata immediately comes to mind), so all logic points to the opposite being true.

Also, if you think Pokemon Rumble U was a good purchase, I feel sorry for you.

I agree with some of the sentiment in this blog, although it was painfully long and extremely repetitive. One thing I don't agree with is his branding of the N64 as a total failure. Even today, when I compare N64 games to PS1 games, it's not even close. The N64 had beautiful graphics and elaborately crafted worlds. Although it might not have had the same texture depth, the graphics were crisp and a joy to look at. The Playstation's graphics on the other hand were painful to look at. Everything was just so... fuzzy looking. Fuzzy gray polygons everywhere.

I agree with his description of a 'certain type of Nintendo fanboy', and have certainly seen enough examples of them on this site. Essentially it comes down to a level of "blissful ignorance" that these fanboys have for Nintendo. They believe that everything Nintendo does is right and that if a console or a game ends up as a commercial failure, its because of some other outside influence, and not because something that Nintendo did or didn't do. But do these individuals end up harming console sales? No. If anything, they will probably spread some of their ignorant optimism to their friends and family members and encourage them to buy a console.

Lastly, I agree that the low third party game sales influences further third party support, and subsequently can harm console sales. But whether a consumer buys a console for just Nintendo first party games, or buys one for a mix of first/third/indie - it's still a sale. And a sale is better than no sale at all.

I don't agree with the article, I think that we should buy what interests us. I love all of the Marios and Zeldas and could care less if someone disapproves. But I also love the 3rd party games like Wonderfull 101, Rayman, Scribblenauts, Lego, Disney Infinity, Skylanders and others. I wish that Capcom and Konami would return to their NES type games like Megaman, 8bit & Metroidvania Castlevania games, Contra and other franchises, but for now I'm happy with games like Steampunk Dig, Mighty No. 9, etc. In fact both of the eshops have way more games that I can play, I have a huge backlog of games that I need to get to and beat like Switchforce, Shantee, Dillions, Fractured Soul, Push/Crashmo, Mutant Mudds, Ducktales, Toki Tori, Trine 2, Giana Sisters, Unepic and many more, not to mention all of the VC games. Even when there is nothing to download during a particular week there's still old stuff that I haven't Downloaded. Personally life is great as a Nintendo Owner.

I disagree with it for one simple reason; I buy whatever games I want, and the company who makes them is kind of irrelevant. If that means a lot of Mario and Zelda titles, well, I just like both series.

I do agree that certain types of Nintendo fans (that basically defend everything Nintendo does) are obnoxious, but that's the case with all fanboys. See his other comments on the Xbox One and its fanbase.

Nintendo's biggest problems is third parties. I'm not going to take the blame for not buying crappy games. They're always saying things like, "There's no audience for our games on the Nintendo systems." That's because your games aren't on the Nintendo systems. Why would the people who want those games buy a Wii if those games aren't on that system?! You have to release the games on the Nintendo systems (without releasing better versions on competitor's systems) in order for the audience to be there!

And then, they'll make little spin-off games (Castlevania: Judgement, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles) and then they don't give us their good games because their bad / weird ones didn't sell well. It's like, they're trying to make Nintendo fans jump through hoops to get good games, and then the hardcore fans will buy these games in order to help support third parties on Nintendo systems, and then the third parties are like, "Ah, too bad. Didn't sell well enough." Like, what?! Why do Nintendo fans have to jump through hoops to win third parties over? Why can't we just get the good games in the first place. Xbox and playstation fans don't have to do that. They just automatically get the good ones. So, yeah, don't blame us for not buying their crappy games that we didn't ask for. Give us the hits and you'll see some hits.

That is the problem with games in general. A company is going to make a cheaper game for a system they don't expect to do well. If that cheaper game does great then they might see to porting their bigger game over. Then if the port does great you can look forward to the next big game to be made for that system at the same time. If the port only does ok then they might make a sequel to the cheaper game as they can still make money off those cheaper games. If the cheap game doesn't do well then you probably won't see any more games from that company.

If you want more/better games from certain developer then you need to support them. The first thing a company sees will be money. If you are ok without their more/better games then don't support them. You don't have to buy every 3rd Party game out there but if you want something then support the people who make it, kind of like Kickstarter. If you see something that interest you then you support it without actually know if it will be good or lead to better things.

I bought plenty of games for the Wii that I regret buying or just weren't too happy with (Umbrella Chronicles and Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen & The Tower of Mirrors were alright). I did my sharing of trying to support third parties. But what did I get in return? Mediocre games that aren't worth anything more than a rent. That's what I'm saying. I understand the logic that they use to explain their reasoning, but I don't buy it. It's a bunch of BS if you ask me. At least Ubisoft somewhat tried with the Wii U, but delaying Rayman so it could simultaneously release on xbox and playstation didn't do them any favors in the Nintendo market. EA gave Wii U Mass Effect 3 while the others systems got the whole trilogy for about the same price. Do they really think that THAT is giving it some effort? You get back what you put into something. If you put the least effort into the games for Nintendo systems then you're going to get the least money back. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I completely agree with that but if people stop supporting 3rd parties then they can't keep complaining. I completely understand why those companies did what they did but they didn't pay off on the Wii U.

What is happening with Wii U reminds me of what happened to Conan. Conan took over The Tonight Show and Jay Leno created his own show. Conan didn't do well, which was expected as it happens with every new host, and before he could bring up his viewers he had the show taken away (I know a lot more happened but that was the basic).
The Wii U came out first and wasn't really given a chance. The people that supported it weren't as loud as the people against it. We will see when it comes back swinging, like how Conan did on TBS.

Just like a PSBOX fan will buy a piece of cardboard with Sony and Microsoft on it

Just read it. Overall a very good read, and an interesting observation. I'm really eager to see how the next ten or so years are to Nintendo.

First, third party doesnt sell well on nintendo because most hardcore gamers have more then one console and when they had to choose between buy Cod for the ps3 or buying Cod for the Wii, they would most of the times buy the ps3 version...so very few people buy the inferior ugly version of the wii...

Second, i would never buy a box that says nintendo on it, i buy a box that can play the most advanced zelda, mario, metroid, mario kart, smash, pikmin available...if those games werent there or if they started losing quality, i would not buy them...but, for my perception, they are as good asever and i still wanna play them...that why i buy nintendo...

Now, since i dont own other consoles besides nintendos, guess what, when third party games come out, i buy them! For my freaking Wii U...mathmatics is amazing, isnt it?