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Jaz007

@Caniswolfred Gust can make a great JRPG though. I've been playing Atelier: Escha and Logy and it's really good.

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CanisWolfred

Jaz007 wrote:

@Caniswolfred Gust can make a great JRPG though. I've been playing Atelier: Escha and Logy and it's really good.

That's the only one I haven't played any bit of, but every other game they made this gen was pretty bad, especially in comparison to what they put out on the PS2, which were golden. Ar Tonelico Qoga, Ar Nosurge, Atelier Rorona, Torori, and Meruru were huge disappointments after Atelier Iris 1-3, Ar Tonelico 1 & 2, and Mana Khemia.

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Haru17 wrote:

CanisWolfred wrote:

Haru17 wrote:

If I had to pick a word for the state of JRPGs I'd say 'diminished'. I haven't really loved a JRPG since Super Paper Mario and Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World.

I really completely disagree with the hype for Ni no Kuni and Xenoblade, both gameplay-wise and narratively, having finished them both. Xillia was fine to play, but the story and characters were just hamfisted!

I'm surprised you even found joy in the combat. I've never been more disappointed in a tales game than I have with Xillia...

In fact, I think the PS3 honestly only had 6 good JRPGs. I really can't understand why people call it a go-to system for JRPGs when the portables kicked their butts up and down the block. Ni no Kuni and Valkyria Chronicles were the only games I felt were worthy of being called great, when there were easily 20 great games between the DS and PSP. In fact, half the good ones are on the 360 (FFXIII-2, Star Ocean: The Last Hope, and Eternal Sonata. Possibly Enchanted Arms, too, I haven't had a chance to play it yet), which also had Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesperia, which are the second and third best RPGs released last gen respectively, topped only by Xenoblade. So why isn't that put on the samew pedestal the PS3 is? Because it doesn't have Tales of Graces f? Because it doesn't have loads of crap like Mugen Souls and Drakengard 3 stinking up the list? Well boo-freakin'-hoo...

Because xbox never gets Tales games, Persona games, or a bunch of other Japanese RPGs. If they want to be considered a JRPG machine then they should put up the money to make it happen.

...wait, FF13 good...?

to be fair Microsoft really did. In the early days of the 360 Microsoft made a pretty decent push to grab the PS2 JRPG. They had FFXIV, Eternal Sonata, Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey, and Blue Dragon to name a few. The thing is they also pushed WRPGS during the same time with Mass Effect, Fable II, Oblivin, and a few other games. The market chose with their wallets plain and simple and with that the JRPG dominance came crumbling down in favor of the WRPG flavor of RPG.

Though if you want the JRPG feel theres's plenty of games out or coming that have similar gameplay/story beats in the indie space. Off the top of my head.

Pier Solar and the Great Architects HD
Child of Light
Dear Alpha Genesis
Cosmic Star Heroine
Citizens of the Earth
Earthlock: Festival of Magic
Shines: The lightning Kingdom
Edge of Eternity
Y2K: A Post Modern RPG

On the bigger AAA console side I see

Final Fantasy Type-0
Bloodborne
Final Fantasy XV
Xenoblade Chronicles X
Phantom Dust's single Player was described as a JRPG and it seems developemtn has moved to Grounding inc anyway.

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CaviarMeths

Problem with JRPGs and Xbox was that everyone had strongly associated Sony hardware with JRPGs since Final Fantasy VII. Nobody bought an Xbox 360 to play JRPGs. But at the time, Microsoft was trying to court the Japanese market, give them a "bridge" to get into the Xbox brand. It didn't work out. The Xbox 360 became a niche product in Japan, and the Japanese gamers who did want one were primarily interested in Western games. Even in Japan, people bought an Xbox to play Call of Duty, not Final Fantasy.

I do have Tales of Vesperia, Lost Odyssey, Infinite Undiscovery, Blue Dragon, The Last Remnant, Nier, and even MagnaCarta 2 (technically a KRPG), but I don't think I know anyone else personally who does, even including JRPG fans who have a 360. My little brother, biggest Tales fan I know, has a 360, doesn't have Vesperia.

All of the Xbox 360 exclusive JRPGs would have been more successful on the PS3, or even the Wii, I'm sure of it.

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On the bigger AAA console side I see

Final Fantasy Type-0
Bloodborne
Final Fantasy XV
Xenoblade Chronicles X

Persona 5 and Tales of Zestiria confirmed as chopped liver.

Also, a handful of mid-tier stuff headed to PS3/PS4 like Atelier Shallie, Awakened Fate Ultimatum, Disgaea 5, Tokyo Twilight Ghost Hunters, and I'm sure about 14 Neptunia games.

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SuperWiiU

CaviarMeths wrote:

I do have Tales of Vesperia, Lost Odyssey, Infinite Undiscovery, Blue Dragon, The Last Remnant, Nier, and even MagnaCarta 2 (technically a KRPG), but I don't think I know anyone else personally who does, even including JRPG fans who have a 360. My little brother, biggest Tales fan I know, has a 360, doesn't have Vesperia.

I'm not even the biggest Tales fan I know, but if I ever got a free 360 the first and possibly even only game I would buy for it would be Vesperia.

The 360(nor will the One) was never going to be a JRPG wonder because most Japanese developers release their games first and foremostly in Japan and the 360 didn't have a big enough audience there nor are they a Japanese console maker(also important in Japan). MS would've had to keep buying exclusives for it to work and that would've cost them too much.

The PS3 came too late and was too hard and expensive to develop for so it was an easy decision for most developer/publishers to go mobile. It wasn't until the PS3 was close to catching up to the 360 that JRPG numbers suddenly began growing on PS3 again.

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CaviarMeths

SuperWiiU wrote:

The PS3 came too late and was too hard and expensive to develop for so it was an easy decision for most developer/publishers to go mobile.

A decision that cost them dearly. Many publishers lost a ton of money in mobile. Some, like Square Enix, lost a CEO. The reason that Square Enix started developing for the 3DS again is because none of those mobile Final Fantasy ports made any money.

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Haru17

Do we consider Souls games and Monster Hunter to be JRPGs? I've always thought of JRPGs as story-driven RPGs synonymous with Japanese development in the decades surrounding 2000. Those games don't really fit that bill, they're more like action-based RPGs to me, at least.

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shingi_70

Haru17 wrote:

Do we consider Souls games and Monster Hunter to be JRPGs? I've always thought of JRPGs as story-driven RPGs synonymous with Japanese development in the decades surrounding 2000. Those games don't really fit that bill, they're more like action-based RPGs to me, at least.

JRPG is any RPG made in Japan if were going with the simple term. The Orginal JRPGS like Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior had much more common with Western Pen and Paper games like Wizardery and DnD than what we consider the genre to be today.

But yeah I'd consider Souls games and Monster Hunter to be JRPGS.

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CaviarMeths

Line gets pretty fuzzy with Souls games, and I think that goes for Dragon's Dogma too. Yes, they're made in Japan, but if we're going to class a JRPG as a subgenre instead of simply a geographical region of origin, then I would have a hard time calling Souls/DD JRPGs. They're much closer in style to western ARPGs.

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Jaz007

CaviarMeths wrote:

Line gets pretty fuzzy with Souls games, and I think that goes for Dragon's Dogma too. Yes, they're made in Japan, but if we're going to class a JRPG as a subgenre instead of simply a geographical region of origin, then I would have a hard time calling Souls/DD JRPGs. They're much closer in style to western ARPGs.

Agreed, and while they have a Japanese flavor, calling them JRPGs rather than ARPGs would effectively cause JRPG to lose any identity outside of "Technically somehow a RPG that has some sort of Japanese flavor or was in Japan. "

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CaviarMeths

Hmm are JRPG-inspired games like Pier Solar and Cosmic Star Heroine JRPGs?

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RR529

I've always considered a JRPG to:

  • Be more party focused. (while WRPGs tend to focus on a single character, your character)
  • Be more story/character focused, with some optional side quest adventuring on the side (while WRPGs are more about making your own adventure, with a brief story set things up).

From what I've always understood, is that they're called "JRPGs", because the first RPGs of this type came from Japan, and any RPG that follows these rules (no matter where it's made) is a JRPG.

While the earliest JRPGs were influenced by western pen & paper games, gaming machines at the time couldn't replicate the openness those games offered, resulting in the more linear adventures (while early FF games were more open than current ones, they are still much more linear than a typical WRPG). Over time JRPGs embraced their more linear nature, by building games with grander storylines & deeper characters (while becoming even more linear, this also gave them more of a unique identity from WRPGs).

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shingi_70

Well WRPG usually means a Westren Role Playing Game and a JRPG is a Japanese Role Playing Game. After that you can dig even deeper. So Dark Souls is both a ARPG as well as a JRPG.

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CanisWolfred

I don't even consider Dark Souls an RPG. It's more like Monster Hunter, where it's an action game with heavy RPG influence, but skill is the most important and there's next to nothing you can do to grind your way to victory, unlike an RPG. Same with the Metroid-y Castlevanias. I'm never gonna call those RPGs, because it doesn't matter how much you grind against medusa heads, if you aren't good at platformers, you're gonna get your butt kicked.

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Genres are weird sometimes. i mean, if you think about it, how much of Kirby involves any actual platforming. It kinda sucks as a platformer...you can just fly...at times it's closer to just a weird beat-em-up game...

Not to mention Mass Effect, which is an RPG because no one plays it for the shooting gameplay over the story

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I like Extra Credits definition a lot minus the BS about abnegation. But this is from a guy who hasn't really played a WRPG.

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LetsGoRetro

I'm a little disheartened...

This thread has made me go and look up what PS4 has coming out, and it's made me realize... there is just no way Nintendo can be your main home console nowadays unless you're a kid. And even then, it's pushing it. In no other medium, books, movies, music, television, film, would we be okay with only listening to one avenue of releases, one director, one musician, etc...

What's aggravating me about Nintendo, is it seems it's calculated on their part to shun others out. I find it hard to believe a company that was as well established and dominant as they were back in the day just had everybody desert them. Whether they didn't want they competition on their system, or felt it did not fit their company image to carry the title, they seem to be the stuck up ones with their noses in the air, while Microsoft and Sony seem to have a policy of: "If you make good games, come to us! We want you if you make cool stuff!"

How can I get so excited about Xenoblade Chronicles X when I have to miss out on Middle Earth: Shadow Of Mordor, Dragon Age: Inquisition, The Witcher 3, Kingdom Hearts 3, Final Fantasy 15, Dark Souls 2, the upcoming Tales game (I THINK has been announced, not sure), Persona 5, Elder Scrolls Online, Borderlands Handsome Collection...

Those 10 games are just the ones I came across after looking for about 5 minutes. And I didn't even know half of them existed or were planned. Are any Suikoden games on the horizon? They probably won't come to Nintendo if they are. Those are just the RPG's! I grew up on Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter- on Nintendo's systems nonetheless- But now I have to miss out of SF5 and MKX?

And I don't want to hear "Nobody's stopping you from buying those other systems". My point is, why can't I buy them on Nintendo's system if that's what I want to buy them on? What if I don't have enough money for multiple systems?

Man, Nintendo-only gamers (like myself) just miss out on so, so much. And it's the nostalgia we all love Nintendo for (among other things). the problem with that is, my childhood was also filled with many titles that Nintendo no longer has- such as Final Fantasy, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, etc. I look forward to possible Suikoden as much as I do Zelda (ok, maybe a LITTLE less, but it's an awesome series)

I'm just frustrated, as I didn't know there was THIS much stuff I was going to miss out on. And I JUST started digging.

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CanisWolfred

@iKhan - Just went and watched that episode(s) and it was pretty good. Honestly, the abnegation part sort of makes sense to me. Even Tales is a relatively stress-free game. Actually, I feel like they only really fumbled the ending (got really preachy), but I still got the idea.

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CaviarMeths

LetsGoRetro wrote:

there is just no way Nintendo can be your main home console nowadays unless you're a kid.

I'll be just fine, but thanks for your concern.

LetsGoRetro wrote:

How can I get so excited about Xenoblade Chronicles X when I have to miss out on Middle Earth: Shadow Of Mordor, Dragon Age: Inquisition, The Witcher 3, Kingdom Hearts 3, Final Fantasy 15, Dark Souls 2, the upcoming Tales game (I THINK has been announced, not sure), Persona 5, Elder Scrolls Online, Borderlands Handsome Collection...

6 of those are on or coming to PC.
5 of them are cross-gen and available on PS360.
One of them is a remaster of games already available on PS360/PC.

The only two that are PS4/XBO exclusive are FFXV and KH3, and really, I can do without those, or at least hold off until the inevitable PC ports.

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shingi_70

CaviarMeths wrote:

LetsGoRetro wrote:

there is just no way Nintendo can be your main home console nowadays unless you're a kid.

I'll be just fine, but thanks for your concern.

LetsGoRetro wrote:

How can I get so excited about Xenoblade Chronicles X when I have to miss out on Middle Earth: Shadow Of Mordor, Dragon Age: Inquisition, The Witcher 3, Kingdom Hearts 3, Final Fantasy 15, Dark Souls 2, the upcoming Tales game (I THINK has been announced, not sure), Persona 5, Elder Scrolls Online, Borderlands Handsome Collection...

6 of those are on or coming to PC.
5 of them are cross-gen and available on PS360.
One of them is a remaster of games already available on PS360/PC.

The only two that are PS4/XBO exclusive are FFXV and KH3, and really, I can do without those, or at least hold off until the inevitable PC ports.

Majority of games don't play on PC for various reasons.
Last gen versions just aren't worth it these days.

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