Topic: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U - OT

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I'm still taking the Gematsu leak with a grain of salt. Palutena, Pac-man, and Miis were all extremely likely, no matter how I contested their inclusion, before. Even if they weren't likely inclusions, a ton of people were already convinced these three would make it. If I wasn't convinced before E3, I'm certainly not convinced, now. Wii Fit Trainer still stands as the strongest argument for the Gematsu leak.

Beyond that, Chrom is practically guaranteed and Shulk is pretty likely, too, considering Xenoblade Chronicles X is the official name of Monolithsoft's new game. Marshall is the only thing that would confirm this for me, which is too bad, as it's the most likely to not be revealed, at all.

That said, I don't contest Marshall's inclusion. I'd love to see a moveset based on a ton of Rhythm Heaven mini-games, and potentially becoming more effective with good rhythm.

As for the trophies, Chrom obviously covers FE, but I would argue that Sheik and Zero Suit cover Zelda and Metroid. While I could still see Ridley being secretly playable, I can't see them adding a sixth Zelda rep, unless we're also getting a sixth Poke'mon and a sixth Mario rep.

Brawl had four Poke'mon reps, because while there WERE six Poke'mon, three of them were essentially one character and Red (PKMN Trainer) was the actual Poke'mon rep. Besides, the numbers game doesn't always work or even agree with itself. Poke'mon has never had more on-screen slots than Mario, so relying on either of these patterns isn't really a smart move.

As for returning characters, I've argued this many times, and I'll probably argue it until they appear in the game. Lucas is the most recent character for the Mother series AND WAS EVEN GOING TO REPLACE NESS IN BRAWL. They're not getting rid of Lucas. And with a new Star Fox confirmed, there's absolutely no reason to consider dropping the Star Fox roster unless you're gonna cut both Falco AND Wolf (because the clone argument doesn't work on Wolf unless you're planning to cut Falco, too. Not that the clone argument works at all, seeing as Toon Link is still present.) ROB is the only odd ball here. I see no reason for them to cut him, but I also see no reason for them to go out of their way to bring him back. Update his model and bring his moveset over and he's just fine. He's unique enough to warrant a return, same as Game & Watch.

Finally, I absolutely guarantee that the Kremlings point to K. Rool's inclusion in this game HOWEVER! I don't know if that necessarily means he'll be playable. He may be a boss or an assist trophy. I could see Marshall being an assist trophy, too, though I still would love to see a rhythm-based character, and Smash has seemingly ignored Rhythm Heaven altogether, thus far. (Correct me, if I'm wrong.)

So what does this mean to the Character roster? Well, let's assume Snake, Squirtle, and Ivysaur are the only ones getting the boot. That brings the roster down from 39 to 36. Now add all known newcomers--nine, including E3's slew of reveals. That's 45. Add spots for the three remaining characters from the Gematsu leak (because even if Marshall is a dud, I can imagine at least one more totally random, off-the-wall newcomer. Just seems pretty clear to me) and we have 48 slots. I can't imagine this is the end of it, but that makes anything from 48 to 52 a reasonable roster size, given our current information.

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I like what your saying. That the character slots should be evened between houses. I feel that the the Mario House should get priority on the character size. Mario did start Nintendo off with a bang. Untill the Mario House increases in size, the Zelda and Pokemon Houses and even the other franchises should stay even leveled at 5 or less also.

Ganondorf seems like a good stab for the Zelda house but that means that they didn't really change from Brawl except Sheik being his/her own character. Unless they really changed Ganondorfs moveset, it'll be boring and a waste until the Mario house increases for another character. They can do so much more with Ganondorf. Ganondorf is a great villian rep. Even Ghirahim seems like a decent idea in spot of Ganondorf with much better magic moveset ideas. But I don't like the idea of a great rep for the Zelda house to be removed. Even when Ganondorf didn't really go that far good in Brawl.

I heard IceClimbers talk about the Pokemon Trainer. Charizard is back, Greninja replacing Squirtle and then a replacement for the Grass Ivysaur. Untill Mario increases or Sakurai decides "Why not?" I'm going all in on Jigglypuff. An intense, easy ko'able, round, reacuring air fighter that requires alot of skill is still a unique idea and the fact at the time of Smash Bros 64, Jiggly was pretty famous. The idea of a grass starter just for the Fire/Water/Grass thing is kinda silly but could happen. I don't like the idea of Sceptile but it got a Mega Evolution recently and to advertise on the WiiU or 3DS would get people into OR and AS. I could be deadly wrong tho.

Now the idea of including new characters that house with the quiz franchises is something I never thought about and so far we've had a Zelda and Metroid rep and the Pseudo-Palutena then leaded to Palutena being a playable character so far. You still have to remember that Zero Suit and Sheik was to be there own seperate characters due to the removing the tranformation idea, not the quiz's. Cause Charizard is included with Sheik and ZS too. But if the quiz idea still stands. I have two theories that may make you think alittle more. Palutena reps the KI:U Trophy but with Sheik, ZS being put in for the tranformation reasons. 1 more rep for the Metroid and Zelda houses can enter too. Meaning 1 for FE, Metroid and Zelda maybe yet to be confirmed. Now the second theory. If Sheik and ZS were meant for the quiz's. That would leave FE, correct. Still at the time of the Smash exclusive direct. The only FE rep was Marth. Now Ike is confirmed and that could have been our FE rep from the trophy quiz. If anything. I rather Chrom as an assist or have someone else like Ephraim with a lance perhaps. Cause ya know. Swords play is starting to get mainstream.

Now I agree with you on the reacuring charcters. Saying Lucas wouldn't be kicked. A great character using more PSI attacks in the entire moveset than Ness is a good idea. Kicks Toon Links cloning moveset in the arse. The thought of Ness being kicked though is hard to see as I support the Original 12 rule and was the first character to be given a creative way of recovering on to the field than other characters. Also being a O12 rule prayer, I'm still voting for Jiggly, too. Meta K will stab in too and hopefully nerfed in alot of ways spam wise, speed wise and such. And yes, they wouldn't kick any of the Star Fox charcters. I only see 1 more Star Fox character being introduced actually. I'm not sure whom tho. Slippy would make a good toolbox character with all the gadgets. Giving Megaman a rival would be nice. But even Tails for the Sonic house is just as good toolbox idea. 1 Star Wolf crew member to increase villian variaty. I'm not a fan of Krystal at all, but she has a chance I. Mostly see Star Fox crew members being more of an assist than a playable characters. So I like the idea of another Star Wolf member. ROB 'IS' an oddball, but I like to think it deserves a spot on the roster due to being a playable Nintendo merchandise uhh.... thing. It wasn't a bad concept, so I like ROB.

Now the tally of the character roster. I to be honest don't want to much characters. I don't want there to be 56 characters and go "I don't know who to play now." with all the amazing game modes. That to me seems ungreatful with the incredible amount of effort that the developers put in. I mean, I play Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 with thier 80 freggin characters time and time and again, but after a while I don't seem know who I want to play as. They should keep it under 50 - 47 atleast. As long as no third party developer shouts out for snake and the Mario house keeping the franchise limit at five. But overall that I have said. I can be drastically wrong.

Also, the leak is strong in this one.