Topic: can wii u make a come back in third party games?

I vote on the PS4's issue!!!!
bcause everyone has a super PC for third party games and internet for XBOne to connect once!

Big woop its a handheld first (which it does well) and a off screen play device second.

@Jazzer94
Sales aren't an indication of 3rd party support, because Xbox One and PS4 had that before any consoles were sold.

I'm not saying that sales don't matter, but they specifically don't for 3rd party support. Xbox One snd PS4 have already proven that.

Sales of another console do not determine support of another console, which is how that post is off topic. The original Xbox and GCN got 3rd party, despite selling less than PS2. PS3 got 3rd party support, despite selling less than Xbox 360.

Is this post supposed to be a serious reply? Of cause there is going to be initial support at launch every console has had this if the console fails to sell or has a bad attach rate developers will stop supporting it how is this hard for you to wrap your head around, PS3 has sold about the same as 360 and had comparable sales for multiplatform games that is why it got support.

Yay another thread turned into a fanboy war with full of misinformation.

Anyway to answer OP, the question you are asking is wrong, 3rd Party support for Wii U has been consistent since launch. The number of third party releases last year and the number expected to release this year is likely to be the same, there is no "come back" as Wii U never had massive 3rd party support to begin with. I'm not counting indies as 3rd party as i assume no one else is but if you add those to the mix then 3rd party wise the Wii U will have loads this year and going forward.

Some genres sell better on Nintendo consoles and some 3rd parties will exploit that and still make Wii U games multi-plat or not. Also it makes no business sense to abandon a market that will no doubt have high demand (Wii U) to go to markets that will be highly competitive and saturated (PS4/X1). There will most definitely be some 3rd party support on the Wii U for that reason alone, especially going forward when PS4 and X1's libraries swell. This is part of the reason you see some devs focusing on PSvita ports before 3DS, because Vita owners love their consoles but are hungry for games while the 3DS has a top seller released every few weeks making it harder for 3rd parties to capitalize on the massive install base if their product is not awesome.

We have yet to see any real big budget 3rd party 8th gen only games released yet, once we start seeing the losses and profits etc we will get a better picture of what 3rd parties will do, as at the moment most are making 7th gen & PC versions in order to make the real profit. In any case enjoy the games you have on Wii U or any other console you have and don't fall for the scaremongering of the media and trolls as more games 1st,2nd and 3rd party will keeping coming until Nintendo decides to move on, which won't be for at least another 5 years if that since the next successor console is 3DS follow up.

The quality of 3rd party titles coming to Wii U is another question altogether, until a 3rd party makes a real hit and it blows up others are going to be cautious and reserved when considering the Wii U.

@Jazzer94
As of now, there are plenty of 3rd party games on Wii U. However, people bought the "superior" versions on other consoles. Alot of the poor sales are directly related to the lack of ability to get Wii U games on the same level as its rivals.

I'm also referencing the beginning of 7th gen, not the middle or near the end. PS3 wasn't doing nearly as well as Xbox 360. According to what you're saying, they should have dropped PS3, as well. Most of the 3rd party success was had later in the life cycle of PS3, so it doesn't really determine anything for Wii U, with that in mind.

I agree that Wii U needs to sell well for support, but consumer perception has been skewed by other areas that aren't in control of Nintendo. 3rd parties supported Xbox One and PS4 with 8th generation games, without sales, so it only makes sense that they would release games for a console that has been selling w/o their notable support.

Wii U was released during a time when 3rd parties had no choice but to release 7th gen games. Notice how 2K NBA 2013 was succeeded by NBA 2014. Since that is a yearly release, it indicates that 3rd parties were ready for 8th gen on Xbox One and PS4, but not Wii U. 3rd parties didn't even have their engines ready for Wii U when it launched.

This isn't bizarre or idiotic logic. It's true. Wii U's current position hasn't indicated failure or success, and I explained why, above.

Also, 3rd parties are figuring out more about the Wii U with their 7th gen ports. Since Wii U is based on PowerPC, they had to continue their work from where 7th gen left off.

All they had to do was utilize ×86 for Xbox One and PS4, which yielded immediate results.

Plus, if developers don't embrace the Wii U, they could be further behind in development in the long run, because PowerPC is still a relevant architecture.

@SCAR392 I think PowerPC is actually losing relevance since Apple ditched it for Intel but yeah. In the home anyway. It still had its place for business use. But you might know something I don't and if you do please let me know as I would like to know. (Not being sarcastic there btw)

I pretty much said everything I already know. I'm aware that Apple has abandoned PowerPC as well, which gave me the impression that developers utilizing the PowerPC architecture in Wii U is actually very important to software development.

PowerPC is reliant on efficient and well developed software. Since the Wii U's specs are higher than last gen consoles, that gives room for many graphic and productive software. Developers could ditch PowerPC, but doing so would leave alot of ground uncovered that they may not be able to retrieve later for software development. The knowledge of how PowerPC itself and how it works could hold vital information, especially with Nintendo having the newest PowerPC machine out there. I just figure that developers passing on an opportunity to develop on Wii U could have a negative impact on future software development in the long run, because it's considered versatile to have knowledge about different forns of technology.

PowerPC and ×86 are vastly different, so having knowledge from one to the other is very important in software development. This is just what I figure, because they can both run the same software while being different.

EDIT: This is exactly why everyone comparing 2GB of RAM and 8GB of RAM doesn't make any sense, because these architectures use the components they have differently. You can't compare PowerPC and ×86 specs directly, so a bunch of people look like idiots by doing so, but people just call me crazy.

Yes, with indie studios

Do we really need pathetic ports of games for the wiiu now?

Well, those "pathetic" ports are giving experience for Wii U development, so they do have their purpose.

These ports could and will lead to better software on Wii U, if more effort is applied, which is what we want.

@SCAR392 experience? really? when is that going to be used for a port thats actually good and another thing what are they waiting to use there experience that they gathered by making these pathetic ports. Cause damn they gathered alot of experience last year didit they?

I don't see quality 3rd party support coming anytime soon obviously apart from WiiU exclusives, I see indie games coming to the WiiU, in fact I'm willing to bet the WiiU will saturated with them. Wether thay are quality indie game's is another question, there some very good indie games coming. But the more established indie games that are on other platforms, have not released on the Wii U. The ones that have have been on other platforms for months, I'm also willing to bet if the WiiU main controller was something like the pro-controller. Even with poor sales you would see more 3rd party support than what there is now.

yes you would see more games that wouldn't sell on Wii U. EXCITING!

Well, considering all Wii U has gotten is 7th gen ports, it's not exactly surprising. If Wii U starts getting 8th gen software, I'm pretty sure more people would give a damn.

I bought the ports, because that's all there is/was anyway. It makes more sense to buy older software for a new machine than an old machine. That was my reasoning, anyway. Plus, games have off-TV and/or second screen features. Even if those features are tacked on, it's still better than not having them, and it doesn't even have to be that way, but apparently people have trouble thinking past whatever is in front of them. Sometimes they can't even comprehend what is in front of them, which furthers my point, but that's off topic...

Anywho, the 3rd party games on Wii U didn't even lose anyone money, because they were cheap as hell to port, considering the bulk of the investment was from the initial development of the games on Xbox 360. Selling games for $60 and selling 50,000 or so copies isn't even bad, but not many people had the game anyway. That's why disc copies are cheap as hell, because they don't even have to sell these ports at full price in order to turn a profit, but the value of these games is $60 on other platforms, so it makes sense to charge the same amount initially, which makes it easy to justify the investment of porting while still giving content to Wii U owners.

In this regard, Nintendo knew which horse would win the race, and went all in. It's definitely not as bad as people make it sound, but I think you already knew that.

@midnafanboy
I'm not really sure what you mean. They ported games and figured out how to scale them to a more powerful machine with little to no drawbacks. Wii U is basically BC with Xbox 360 and PS3, and they no doubt found out more about the console by scaling their software to it.

How we get to a "Warring States Period" over consoles again??? I like to know because I just wanted to read people opinions about "Wii U making a comeback with 3rd Parties" not this complaining over Sony and Microsoft systems again sigh......

Well, if people stop comparing sales or specs, then we wouldn't have to bring Xbox One or PS4 into the discussion.

I think 3rd party support will be there. Every 3rd party company showed immense interest in Wii U at E3, before it launched, and got new games when it did. People who bought Wii U thought 3rd parties would stick to their word, so it wasn't strictly "I buy Nintendo games ONLY" if you actually followed along with E3.

I bought Wii U on launch. ZombiU, Sonic, Tekken, CoD, Madden, etc were there. I don't really think anyone thought that 3rd parties would fall short on Nintendo, until it actually happened. Saying 3rd parties are gone is like saying what is there doesn't exist, so it never will be ever again, and that doesn't really make sense.

I agree I did the same and yes I see the gaps over 3rd Parties aren't giving to Wii U but that's why I bought a PS4 for some titles as well and guess what the system has gaps too so in the mean time I'm confident and lucky to have a life and have other last gen consoles to keep me out of droughts. I can balance myself of what games I enjoy or play probably because i'm old school gamer that doesn't need online MP to play most of my titles.
(Sorry if i'm off topic)

When 3rd parties see that they won't make any more money developing for PS4 and XBO than they did for PS3 and 360, it may be possible that they could give more attention to the Wii U. As for myself, I know I will be getting the new Metal Gear on PS3. I don't care for PS4.

Another scenario could be that once large developers go out of business--because you know it's going to happen, at this rate, sooner or later--they will fragment to small-scale groups that may want to make software for Wii U.